[Solved] MH-17 was 9M-MRD, so Why are there photos of 9M-MRC? ['D' partially obscured]

Ray Von Geezer

Senior Member.
What gate you ask......rather silly question as the photograph could have been taken any day 24/7 throughout the year.......the fact it was uploaded at a specific time from the intelligence perspective does not mean a thing.....in todays technology its rather simply to raise any photograph be it genuine or photo shopped no point in discussing this further

Can you clarify which picture you're saying could have been interfered with "from the intelligence perspective"? The Cor Pan picture, the Reuter's picture, the other pictures from before those pictures showing the incomplete 'D'?

The Cor Pan picture certainly appears to be genuine, and while it looks like a 'C' at first glance it doesn't stand up under closer scrutiny, as has already been said many times the corrupted 'D' doesn't resemble the 'C' on the actual "RC" plane. This is reinforced by the other pictures clearly showing the 'D' had suffered damage at some point, at least one of which dates from before the Cor Pan and Reuters pictures.

Ray Von
 

Pierre

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There is another image of the Gate 3 departure on the 17th July. See post and photo by Freek.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/so...-d-partially-obscured.4006/page-2#post-118445



The photo was taken on July 17th - He believes that he sees "more of a C than a D". Just because it looks like a C it doesn't mean that it is. For example why does the "C" have a straight back?

In the Reuter's blow up the R is partially obscured along with the D. If you were taking it to extremes the R could also be interpreted as a P due to it appearing partially formed. So why are people not asking about the partially formed R? You can see it appears not to be fully formed in the image just like the D.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/so...-d-partially-obscured.4006/page-2#post-118558

Aviation enthusiasts logged 9M-MRD as being at Gate 3 on the 17th July.

'Boeing 777-200 Malaysia Airlines 9M-MRD'

http://schiphol.dutchplanespotters.nl/?date=2014-07-17

Can you not see that it purely down to misinterpretation of the lettering that is leading you down your conspiracy path? Look at the Reuter's photo and note the partially formed R and partially formed D. If you think that it is a "C" then explain why it has a straight back?

I think the terminology used " purely down to misinterpretation" should be replaced with the word interpretation.....the debate is not about which aircraft operated the service on the day but which aircraft was shown in the photograph.....its open for debate and for that reason we have those for and those against.......agree to disagree......my comment as to intel interference is simply (having worked in intel).......you raise a photograph anytime and post it on the appropriate day to add colour and sensationalism to an event.....all such media is used to bring the sheeples into line to believe whatever false flag they are creating.......enough said on this issue its becoming rather boring
 
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Pete Tar

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We are interested in interpretation that is based on evidence.
You have offered absolutely nothing to support your speculation the whole event was an orchestrated false flag. As you clearly find the discussion of details based on verifiable reality boring but prefer inventing narratives of the actions of shadowy global powers which are totally unprovable, perhaps this isn't the site for you.
 

Ray Von Geezer

Senior Member.
my comment as to intel interference is simply (having worked in intel).......you raise a photograph anytime and post it on the appropriate day to add colour and sensationalism to an event.....all such media is used to bring the sheeples into line to believe whatever false flag they are creating.......
Respectfully, can you please make specific points on the topic? I'm struggling to see the point of you raising your areas of expertise when all you're adding to the thread is vague hints.

Take the above, which photograph? There's two pictures from the day showing the damaged 'D' that looks superficially like a 'C', and both were carried by the media (mainstream and alternative). The pictures actually fuelled conspiracy theories of a "false flag" event (though no-one seems to want to address the logic) so how exactly are you saying the pictures were manipulated to back the "official story"?

Ray Von
 

Pierre

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[...] lets take the original photograph taken just prior to the alleged boarding of MH17 at G3.........[...] the air stairs are not connected to the aircraft so this certainly is not in pre departure mode ........[then there is the] difference between the pax photograph and the media photograph that shows the air ground connections at departure being totally difference........and before you respond suggest you let me know what is connected to the aircraft pre departure and what is shown in both photographs......


 
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Pierre

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I would suggest that before you pass comment about dealing with the actual authenticity of both photographs.....before you can board an aircraft you have to have air steps attached to the aircraft irrelevant of which aircraft you are dealing .......I guess the gate staff announced there will now be a short delay whilst we connect the stairs to the aircraft or should I say airbridge!!!
 

Pierre

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The air-bridge is most definitely not connected to the fuselage of the aircraft.....when it is connected the flexible shroud folds over the shape of the fuselage and as you are all so observant maybe you can take a look at the air bridge shadow on the ground which clearly shows it is not connected........debunked you......also please explained the ground equipment connections on the first original photograph and the media one......what are they and where on a B777 2H6ER are the ports.....[...]
 

Pierre

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Your terminology has now changedwhy?......the airbridge is not attached to the aircraft no matter what aircraft it happens to be thus it cannot be taken at the time of departure or even close to boarding the aircraft......if you are an aviation man you would understand such things and also understand the pre departure checks required and how long before departure this must be done......no one has answer my second question regarding the ground equipment connected to the aircraft as shown in both photographs and what they are for and also where are the appropriate ports on the aircraft to receive such equipment?
 

Mick West

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9M-MRD arrived in Schipol at 06:24 CEST, and departed at 12:30. So it was at that gate for 5-6 hours. It does not seem unreasonable that during that time the bridge was retracted.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/9MMRD


People are often at a gate many hours before departure, especially if it's a connecting flight, or (in the case of the Reuters photo) if they are not actually on that flight.

Here's a view on a different day:




If you feel the connected ground equipment is relevant, then please explain what it is. This isn't the place for tests.
 

Pierre

New Member
Yes certainly a very different day as the advert on the air bridge is totally different and the background is different....on the question of ground equipment it is relevant because on this thread someone raised that issue [...]
There is much more to point out [...] I repeat this aircraft is not ready for departure and the aircraft in question having arrived from KL would have been on a standard turnaround and the airbridge would have been connected for a multitude of reason....last but not least I know the reporting time for the crew of the outbound flight......the ground equipment is vital to know at what stage the aircraft is in for its next flight.........[...] .....these photographs go way beyond simply identify the two letters on the nose wheel bay.....this aircraft is not ready for depart and in my opinion are bogus in regard to being taken at the departure gate by the passenger concerned and the plane spotter or whoever
 

Pierre

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Ok so you are now mincing words....ok the air bridge is not connected to the terminal (which forms part of the airport) and shows an aircraft that is literally parked up for an indefinite duration ie possible single crew operation or whatever
 

Mick West

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the aircraft in question having arrived from KL would have been on a standard turnaround and the airbridge would have been connected for a multitude of reason

It was there for six hours. Plenty of time for the bridge to be retracted after crew have been unloaded. If you wish to assert this never happens, then please giver references.

Again, if you think the connected equipment is relevant, then explain what it is, and why it is relevant.
 

Mick West

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Ok so you are now mincing words....ok the air bridge is not connected to the terminal (which forms part of the airport) and shows an aircraft that is literally parked up for an indefinite duration ie possible single crew operation or whatever

But the air bridge is connected to the terminal, so why are you saying it is not? Do you mean it's not connected to the plane?
 

Pierre

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[...]......the air bridge is not connected to the fuselage of the aircraft in any of the photographs presented...thus is is not being prepared for departure......according to the passenger he was about to board the aircraft which is clearly not the case..........The ground equipment and what is used and when is vital to know at what stage the aircraft mode is in for its final departure........the type of equipment used for its initial arrival and then its departure is important to those that understand aviation because it shows that status of the flight.......if someone on this thread truly understands what I am talking about (ie an aviation expert) then they will immediately have an answer......for those that are not aviation minded this thread will remain unanswered until such a person can address the questions asked.......the thread is all about proving that this is a photograph of the departing aircraft....which it is not.......and so one must ask appropriate questions...........I am led to believe that this original photograph that was allegedly taken by the departing passenger was in actual fact a file photograph dated 2012:01:25 but who am I to state such things...........I will leave it to the aviation experts on this thread to give their own professional opinion and reply to my questions regarding the two different ground equipment cables that your thread did explain in an earlier question..... [...]
 
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Pierre

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Here is the data associated with the photograph that was taken by the alleged passenger pre boarding and clearly shows it was taken on the 25 of January 2012........"Debunked"

Here's the full data:

IPTC

Original Transmission Referencewtg9wzpvPI7_BaameAdm
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JFIF Version1.01
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File — basic information derived from the file.

File TypeJPEG
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Current IPTC Digest73ebbdb8bf1cb59673ba3ee0a01b06c4
Encoding ProcessProgressive DCT, Huffman coding
Bits Per Sample8
Color Components3
File Size56 kB
Image Size960 × 720
Y Cb Cr Sub SamplingYCbCr4:2:0 (2 2)
ICC_Profile — this block of data describes the color space used to encode pixel colors.

Profile CMM Typelcms
Profile Version2.1.0
Profile ClassDisplay Device Profile
Color Space DataRGB
Profile Connection SpaceXYZ
Profile Date Time2012:01:25 03:41:57
2 years, 7 months, 5 days, 4 hours, 59 minutes, 57 seconds ago
Profile File Signatureacsp
Primary PlatformApple Computer Inc.
CMM FlagsNot Embedded, Independent
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Profile ID0
Profile Descriptionc2
Profile CopyrightFB
Media White Point0.9642 1 0.82491
Media Black Point0.01205 0.0125 0.01031
Red Matrix Column0.43607 0.22249 0.01392
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Blue Matrix Column0.14307 0.06061 0.7141
Red Tone Reproduction Curve(64 bytes binary data)
Green Tone Reproduction Curve(64 bytes binary data)
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Mick West

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Here is the data associated with the photograph that was taken by the alleged passenger pre boarding and clearly shows it was taken on the 25 of January 2012........"Debunked"

That is the date the color profile was created, not the date the photo was taken. Facebook strips the original EXIF date/time info from photos.
 

Mick West

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the type of equipment used for its initial arrival and then its departure is important to those that understand aviation because it shows that status of the flight

Then explain what you think it is. Quit playing games.

If you post again without explaining what you think the equipment is in each photo, and how it relates to a timeline, then you get a three hour ban.
 
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Jason

Senior Member
quote please.

There isn't one, instead we have a dutchman who was assumed to be making a joke and is translated as such; "if the plane disappears, this is what it looks like".
This is believed to be the tragic final Facebook post of a passenger on board the Malaysia Airlines flight shot down in the Ukraine.

A Dutch man posted a picture of what is believed to be flight MH17 and a caption which roughly translates as "if the plane disappears, this is what it looks like".

FOR ALL THE LATEST ON THE MALAYSIA AIRLINES CRASH - FOLLOW OUR LIVE BLOG.

It is believe to be a joke in reference to Malaysia Airlines MH370 which disappeared on March 8 with 239 people on board.

Initially, friends responded with messages laughing at the 'joke'.

"Happy holidays! No crazy things though that's the gods requests!" wrote one.
Content from External Source
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/malaysia-airlines-ukraine-crash-passenger-3875681
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member.
No mention of when he took the photo or how long until he would board the plane, so it's an assumption the photo was claimed to be taken just before immediate boarding, and one that will lead to a wrong interpretation.
 

Trailblazer

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Here is the data associated with the photograph that was taken by the alleged passenger pre boarding and clearly shows it was taken on the 25 of January 2012........"Debunked"

Here's the full data:

(Snip)
ICC_Profile — this block of data describes the color space used to encode pixel colors.

Profile CMM Typelcms
Profile Version2.1.0
Profile ClassDisplay Device Profile
Color Space DataRGB
Profile Connection SpaceXYZ
Profile Date Time2012:01:25 03:41:57
2 years, 7 months, 5 days, 4 hours, 59 minutes, 57 seconds ago
(Snip)

Pierre, you clearly misunderstand what that date shows. That is the creation date of the colour profile.

Try a Google search for "profile cmm 2.1.0 2012:01:25" and you will see that exact same time and date cropping up in lots of EXIF data. Including lots of conspiracy sites where people who also misunderstand what it means are trying to claim fakery on other photos, including some from the Boston marathon bombing!

A lesson of the perils of jumping to conclusions...
 

NoParty

Senior Member.
Pierre, I wrote:

"...since you claim to 'have been invited to join an independent team'
in an attempt to impress upon us your reputation/credentials,
you really need to clearly and unambiguously identify the people to whom you refer

(otherwise how would anyone know that you weren't just referring to a bunch of paranoid YouTubers...if anyone at all?)"

You have posted many times since I wrote this, but have still not substantiated your claim...
 

Pierre

New Member
The entire evidence supporting the shooting down of MH17 is only based on media coverage and so in the same light I send you yet another media report explaining how this photograph was taken......I am not here to dispute if its correct or not but to prove that all the evidence supporting what happened that day has come from the media without any other evidence....ie photograph from a media source (Facebook) and one via the plane spotter or media photograrappher.....so maybe this will not be acceptable in response because it goes again the thread that we are discussing at the current time.......I have always noticed that when you are dealing with intel one must prove that what I am saying is correct.....however I would like to reverse this assumption and ask you to prove the photograph is authentic and based on what evidence other than media files/photgraphs.........it is not up to me to explain what should be used and when regarding an aircraft's departure because It is my responsibility to know such things........in order o prove that your photographs are authentic then maybe someone would be kind enough to explain (as they did before) what are the appliances attached to the aircraft in the photographs because clearly they were not taken at the same time....I know what they are but does someone else on this thread who would be kind enough to explain?
 

Mick West

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No mention of when he took the photo or how long until he would board the plane, so it's an assumption the photo was claimed to be taken just before immediate boarding, and one that will lead to a wrong interpretation.

The Cor Pan photo was uploaded at 11:03am.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?....121009184703252.21333.100003825135026&type=1

(Need to set your computer's time zone to CEST for the time to be correct)

So it's reasonably to assume it was taken around 11:00am. MH17 departed at 12:30. We can't actually see the front air bridge, so we can't tell if it is connected or not. The yellow air conditioning connections in the middle and the front electrical connections are exactly what you would expect to be connected prior to boarding.
 

Mick West

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I have always noticed that when you are dealing with intel one must prove that what I am saying is correct.....however I would like to reverse this assumption and ask you to prove the photograph is authentic and based on what evidence other than media files/photgraphs
There are three photos that are all consistent. Two of them were taken by people who died on the plane. One posted on Facebook, and one sent here by a relative. The third published by Reuters.

Given that, it's really up to you to demonstrate evidence that any of them are not what they claim to be. You have consistently failed to do this so far.

what are the appliances attached to the aircraft in the photographs because clearly they were not taken at the same time....I know what they are but does someone else on this thread who would be kind enough to explain?
I explained this above. I presume you missed my warning. But now please explain your take, or you'll get a 3 hour ban.
 

Mick West

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Staff member
@Pierre, you have been thread-banned for three hours. The problem is that you seemed intent on asserting your own expertise and testing the expertise of others. All you had to do was explain what the connected equipment was (AC and electric ground services), yet you persisted in playing games rather than stating facts. Many of your posts have been edited to remove sarcastic comments that violated the Politeness Policy.

If you return, any post that refers to your personal expertise, or the lack thereof in other people, will be deleted. Please just stick to verifiable facts and observations, not fallacious and irrelevant appeals to authority.
 

Trailblazer

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The entire evidence supporting the shooting down of MH17 is only based on media coverage and so in the same light I send you yet another media report explaining how this photograph was taken......I am not here to dispute if its correct or not but to prove that all the evidence supporting what happened that day has come from the media without any other evidence....ie photograph from a media source (Facebook) and one via the plane spotter or media photograrappher.....
There is plenty of other evidence, not least the flight radar records which show where both 9M-MRC and 9M-MRD were on July 17.
 

WeedWhacker

Senior Member
the stairs to the aircraft or should I say airbridge!!!

It's called a "Jet-way" in the U.S. "Stairs" (or, "airstairs") would only be used if the airliner were parked remotely, on a "hard-stand".

Some facilities in other countries might term the movable Jet-way as a "bridge" or "jet bridge".
[...]
 

Ray Von Geezer

Senior Member.
The Cor Pan photo was uploaded at 11:03am.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?....121009184703252.21333.100003825135026&type=1

(Need to set your computer's time zone to CEST for the time to be correct)

So it's reasonably to assume it was taken around 11:00am. MH17 departed at 12:30. We can't actually see the front air bridge, so we can't tell if it is connected or not. The yellow air conditioning connections in the middle and the front electrical connections are exactly what you would expect to be connected prior to boarding.
Is it worth adding the evidence of the time the Cor Pan picture was taken to the OP?

Pierre seems to have read some of the media reports that described it as being taken "moments before he boarded" and used it as a basis for his theories about the state of preparation of the plane. As it seems extremely unlikely the plane boarded 90 minutes before departure (I think 30-40 minutes is typical?) correcting this might prevent others making the same mistake.

Ray Von
 

TEEJ

Senior Member.
Here is the data associated with the photograph that was taken by the alleged passenger pre boarding and clearly shows it was taken on the 25 of January 2012........"Debunked"

Come on Pierre! Did you even check? Where is the record for a Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 operating from Schiphol on that date?

http://schiphol.dutchplanespotters.nl/?date=2012-01-25

The daily Boeing 777-200 operations by Malaysia Airlines at Schiphol started on 16th February 2012.

http://schiphol.dutchplanespotters.nl/?date=2012-02-16

16 Feb 2012 : Direct Maintenance is proud to announce it has commenced supporting the daily B777-200 operation of Malaysia Airlines at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport as from today. Services provided include dedicated line maintenance services to the B777-200 (RR Trent engines) aircraft at arrival and departure, aircraft towing, cabin interior maintenance and in-flight entertainment system support.
Content from External Source
http://www.directaviation.aero/direct-maintenance/latest-news/malaysia-airlines-b777
 
I have found a series of 9 photos from 9M-MRD taken on June 15, 2014 at Frankfurt Airport, from the final approach stage up to the parking of the plane in chronological order. This means they are from the same plane. What is of interest is the fact that in picture number 8 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/quixoticguide/sets/72157645891285194), the registration number on the right pilot sided wheel cover is visible. It shows the same blurred RD (or RC as some believe) comparable to the three pictures taken at Schiphol Airport which were posted in this thread.

So if you now take a look at picture number 6 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/quixoticguide/14497661028/in/set-72157645891285194/), 7 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/quixoticguide/14684308415/in/set-72157645891285194/) or 9 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/quixoticguide/14497642030/in/set-72157645891285194/), the MRD identification number is clearly visible in the back of the fusilage. Maybe it is even visible on picture number 8, however I do not have the technology not the skills to zoom into that and make sure is does say MRD.

This is where you will find the complete series: https://www.flickr.com/photos/quixoticguide/sets/72157645891285194

I think this should add to the proof that the plane Cor Pan boarded, actually was the MRD.
 
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