Mark Taylor conspiricy?

[Cairenn]

Personally I don't have a problem with any one's religion as long as they keep it private, don't try to force aspects of it down my throat and that they don't use it to torture any person or animal. (If it calls for an animal sacrifice, that is fine as long as it is done humanly).

 

[rose dawson]

It the witch hunt that went away, the combined "Satanism, child trafficking and pedophilia" was never there to the degree that was suggested. It was overblow hysteria and panic.

http://skepdic.com/satanrit.html

(lots of relevant links at the bottom of that article)

It the witch hunt that went away, the combined "Satanism, child trafficking and pedophilia" was never there to the degree that was suggested. It was overblow hysteria and panic.

http://skepdic.com/satanrit.html

(lots of relevant links at the bottom of that article)

Mick, I disagree. Witch hunts are still around.

Interesting that Ron Aigner has come back to try and save face. Probably because this metabunk thread features high on any google searches with his name and Mark Taylor's, and he has realized that he was called out on his claims. I'm not very interested in the case anymore, simply because Ron Aigner is involved. Wth a friend like Ron Aigner, who needs enemies? He invents his own enemies daily, perhaps 365 new ones every year......

Hello Jay. My name is Rose and I have been working on columbine for several years. I do know Ron and Mark and Donna. The entire Columbine incident has a lot of twists and turns and some issues sound unreal. But here is the thing, in all the evidence (supplied by Jeffco) there are too many discrepancies that do not make sense. On the internet, the information can be skewed and modified and not to say that the info from the police cannot be either, but with so many different theories and holes in the event, there is something that is not right with the case. I live in Littleton and i know the area of where the van was and where they were found by Tim Walsh and I have seen the drawing. Perhaps I can shed some light on this for you.

 

[rose dawson]

I can't actually see what they are claiming as evidence of conspiracy there. Some off theory about how the Columbine shooters actually wanted to kill cops, not kids. That makes zero sense, based on what actually happened.

And there seems to be no details about why Mark Taylor was arrested or detained.

It all seems a bit vague. What's to debunk?

They Wanted To Kill Cops. It Was Written.

 

[Mick West]

Rose, you need to be very specific, and back up claims. See:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/posting-guidelines.2064/

 

[rose dawson]

Rose, you need to be very specific, and back up claims. See:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/posting-guidelines.2064/

Mick, It Was Written In The Year Book. Killing Cops.

 

[Jay Reynolds]

Perhaps I can shed some light on this for you.

Please do.

 

[rose dawson]

what Do You Want To Know And See? Any Specific Questions?

 

[Cairenn]

You might start with the 'killing cops' statement. Why shoot up a school and not a police station?

 

[rose dawson]

You might start with the 'killing cops' statement. Why shoot up a school and not a police station?

First i will start off with the evidence page numbers so you can see what the pages look like. It is JC-001-026237 and JC-001-026241. These numbers are from Jefferson County evidence and it is their numbering system. These two pages are pages from Eric Harris's yearbook in which Dylan wrote books. On the first page, Book 2 Dylan writes killing cops, underlines it and ends it with 2 exclamation points. On book 4, he again mentions killing pigs.
Second- Dave Cullen writes in his article "The Depressive and the Psychopath" that the day was divided into three stages. Authorities stated that Eric and Dylan's vehicles were rigged with devices that were set to detonate when presumably there were a large amount of emergency personnel as well as police officers on the scene.
Third-why shoot a school and not a police station when the target were police officers? If you read Eric's journal pages starting with April 10, 1998 until 12/1998 you will see he wanted maximum carnage. Killing cops was not their only motive, as there have been several people who stated that Eric and Dylan wanted revenge on the school as well. For 4 years they endured harrassment and abuse, so why 2 weeks before graduation execute a massacre?
They were two very smart boys, who meticulously planned this. Everyday they were in this school, knew the number of students in the commons at certain times and they knew the layout. They positioned themselves at a place to ensure additional killings. If in fact, it was supposed to be a bombing, as Cullen states in the same article, then Eric and Dylan would have never been able to plant the bombs in a police station and go unnoticed.
All that aside, think about this. Two teenage boys wanting to kill cops. They go into a police station and start shooting. They have a probability of killing a few cops before being restrained or killed. This was not enough for them. However, go to a school and draw in not only several cops, but several units and jurisdictions, they probably felt their chances were better. Also, being familiar with the surroundings would put Eric and Dylan at an advantage and it would provide an option of escape by blending in with fleeing students.
Eric and Dylan could be seen as terrorists. Terrorists attack non threatening areas instead of places where the ability to retaliate is located. Title 22 of the US Code 2656(d) defines terrorism as a premediated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against non combative targets by subnational or clandistine agents to influence an audience. Without sounding insensitive, a shooting at a school invokes more emotions than a shooting at a police station.
Ultimate, the reality of the event is more important than the choice of venue and perhaps we should be asking what happened to these boys that pushed them to do this. If a sexual assault did happen and was the catalyst of the event, we owe it to the victims to persue the information and investigate. This does not excuse or condone Eric's and Dylan's actions but only offers a possible answer as to why Columbine happened. There are several 'mishaps' and 'oversights' that happened with this case before and after the tragedy.

 

[Mick West]

What does this have to do with Mark Taylor?

 

[rose dawson]

What does this have to do with Mark Taylor?

I was answering Cairenn's question.

 

[Ron Aigner]

This was exactly what I suspected. It has been months since I pulled out the big guns (figuratively a forensic psychologist who has done her research and agrees with Mark and Donna). So why don't you talk to Mark's attorney John Decamp? Is it because you are part of the regime who are presently in control? You know, the regime full of sodomites who rape and traffick in children? Go get a real job. I plan on trying to free Mark Taylor and replace your regime with one who will be responsible and protect the children. You might have a talk with your buddies at the NSA. They have a hard time hearing us.

 

[Ron Aigner]

Mark got a small settlement from a lawsuit so he bought the Lexus. Mark had a ghostwriter write his book (he was being honest) . Your timeline of events is skewed. He showed no signs of mental illness prior to the drugging. To this day he is not a threat to himself or others. He has had no disciplinary problems and is allowed to leave the halfway house unaccompanied. You people think that you are investigating yet you go off on your hairbrained belief that everything Mark and his Mother say is a conspiracy. I hope you are more considerate of other victims. Haven't they already been through enough? How dare you.

Correction. Mark says that Celine Dion gave her the money to buy the Lexus. She and many other stars visited him.

 

[Ron Aigner]

This map is supposed to depict a sheriff raping a boy, and is apparently a key piece of evidence . It's an incredible stretch, and would obviously be laughed out of court.

This map is supposed to depict a sheriff raping a boy, and is apparently a key piece of evidence . It's an incredible stretch, and would obviously be laughed out of court.

 

[Ron Aigner]

So you tell us what you think it is. The ElPaso County Sheriff's office called it Walsh buttrape.txt. Don't give us the crap that the FBI did about it being a cop walking a dog. We checked. No K9. We have volumes of supporting information including the motive. Are FBI too stupid not to research the written motive? We have made it easier for you. Just google January Incident.

 

[Ron Aigner]

And what past actions do you refer to? Mark was perfectly normal before he was illegally abducted and drugged.

What does this have to do with Mark Taylor?

Mark was shot when he got between two boys who were raped and drugged and the terrorists who were getting even for being raped and drugged. DUH! Then Mark learns why he got shot, is talking about it so then he is illegally abducted and drugged. In supporting Mark, I have been assaulted and falsely arrested twice. I have a stack of harassments and unfounded bullying and assaults on my property rights. I have such a mass of information about how the victims of Columbine have been treated. They are still demanding that their hard questions be answered. We have been quite successful in making sure that the questions aren't being ignored. See how many views are on youtube etc. I think I'll have our webmaster put this blog up just to prove that you Government types are still bullying the Columbine victims. Maybe this You tube will make it easier for NSA.

 

[Mick West]

So you tell us what you think it is. The ElPaso County Sheriff's office called it Walsh buttrape.txt. Don't give us the crap that the FBI did about it being a cop walking a dog. We checked. No K9. We have volumes of supporting information including the motive. Are FBI too stupid not to research the written motive? We have made it easier for you. Just google January Incident.

It's a map of the area around W Deer Creek Canyon Road, and S Wadsworth Blvd (Hwy 121). See full explanation here:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/mark-taylor-conspiricy.1179/page-4#post-31253

 

[Mick West]

And regarding the "buttrape.txt" file name, you know about this:
http://crtf.yuku.com/reply/6357/Walsh-Buttrapetxt-file-Ron-its-not-what-you-think
Archive: http://archive.is/J32Uy

DylanKleboldDotCom
Posts: 3
Oct 30 10 12:04 PM


"Walsh Buttrape.txt" file - Ron, it's not what you think.

I came across Ron's website and found two posts talking about the "Walsh Buttrape.txt" file that he (mistakenly) believes to have been created by the El Paso Police Department.

Post reference #1:

http://columbinefamilyrequest.org/?p=303

Post reference #2:

http://columbinefamilyrequest.org/?p=819

Ron stated:

"We recently discovered that the link to the Walsh Buttrape.txt file has been deleted from the dylanklebold.com website. We are in the processes of contacting Calence Emerson to find out why he is deleting files."

Ron also stated:

"The Walsh Buttrape.txt, is not a theory. It is a file that the El Paso Sheriff's dept named." Walsh Buttrape.txt is a text file that contains the following text data:

notebook 2,
diagrams
page 9
buttrape

_____________I'm wavering between hysterics... and tears right now.

Do you know the origin of this file? I DO!

>>>>>>>>>> I AM THE ORIGIN OF THIS FILE.

This file was NOT created and named by the El Paso police department. I was researching the crazy claims Ron and others were making about the supposed buttrape, and I created a text file with my notes on where to find the diagram that they claim Eric drew of himself getting buttraped by Walsh.
This text file simply contained MY personal notes to reference where this diagram was located.

My files were never meant to be extracted from their root directory. All files were linked (in context) from the site. Some people, however, took it upon themselves to download entire directories of information and in doing so downloaded files that are not in context. I purposely didn't protect my directories. I wanted people to have free access to this information. But it needs to be said that the file "Walsh Buttrape.txt" is merely my note taking.

... this is yet another perfect example of how one little tiny piece of misinformation can be spread like wildfire and everyone makes assumptions based on assumptions...

And I take full responsibility for this because that file never should have been uploaded to my server. I was a prime source for everyone to obtain documents from, and I had a duty to make sure everything was accurate - and I let a lot of my notes get uploaded to my server. So to answer Ron's question about why I deleted it - hell, I deleted it because it wasn't part of the reports.

I started deleting all of my note taking files when I realized they had been uploaded mistakenly.

I tried to register for Ron's site to let him know on those posts, but his site is not currently accepting new registrations.

and your response:

I know the physical path of possession of that document and you are a liar

If you notice, the notations on the left side written in my hand writing. (ATTN: Sullivan ATTN: Anderson). I faxed the paper later labeled Walsh buttrape.txt to both the Arapaho county sheriff Sullivan and ElPaso sheriff Anderson. It is fascinating that you somehow were able to get that original and include it in your notes. Are you also able to label the page with an El Paso county sequence number? We just heard that Sheriff Sullivan was just jailed in the Sullivan detention center. He was busted for trading meth for sex with a man. As for the rest of the criminals who covered up the buttrape, We can just hope that Sullivan get's a lot of company. They can buttrape each other instead of children.
Last Edited By: Ron Dec 4 11 8:01 AM. Edited 1 times.

Clearly you are just confusing the .txt file created by DylanKleboldDotCom with some scanned images. .txt files cannot contain images.

 

[Ron Aigner]

How would [they] have been able to get a copy of that picture with Sullivan's name on it. Could [they] also put the numbered stamp of the ElPaso files that makes it an official document? You have to have a few more brain cells than what you are equipped with to figure it out.

 

[Mick West]

The key point is:

Walsh Buttrape.txt is a text file that contains the following text data:

notebook 2,
diagrams
page 9
buttrape

There's nothing "in" the file other than a bit of text. THe file was not created by the sherrifs. The diagrams are just maps from the arrest record.

Ron. It would seem like you are not interested in such corrections, and your overly combative and impolite attitude indicates you are simply interested in promoting your theory. This is not the site for that, hence I have banned you.

 

[Pete Tar]

...Is it because you are part of the regime who are presently in control? You know, the regime full of sodomites who rape and traffick in children? ..

No.
Is any one who doesn't buy your version of events immediately part of that regime?

 

[Columbine Debunker]

That is a safe link. and it has John Decamp stating factually that the shooter Harris was raped multiple times. As for the files, I can't seem to find a way to send a sample off of my computer files. Call me at 303-697-1282 and give me your email address and I will forward you a sample of the depositions of the Harris parents. I will provide the entire 16636 pages if you promise to research them. Here, listen to this podcast.
http://columbinefamilyrequest.org/2013/01/john-decamp-drstan-monteith/

Hi all. I came here to specifically address a claim made by Ron Aigner, as stated above in the quoted section. We go way back to day one of the Columbine case. In fact, I am the person who created the "Walshbuttrape.txt" file that consisted of my notes on Ron's wild claims about rape, and he downloaded my research notes from my website and ran around telling everyone the El Paso police created the file. You can't make this stuff up. That document contained notes on Ron himself - this is why he will never reveal the content of it. He made a mistake and can't admit it. He'd rather claim the police created it. But I digress...

Ron claims that the file he linked in PDF form is, in fact, a page taken from the deposition transcript of Kathy Harris, taken during the Taylor v. Solvay lawsuit. He claims he "leaked it" and will be happy to give the rest of the depositions to anyone who asks. However, Ron has fabricated this document and everyone deserves to know the truth once and for all.

Here's the proof. The document Ron Aigner linked has the wrong date in the upper right hand corner. The date reads June 28, 2002 - a year before the Harris' were deposed. Kathy Harris was deposed on August 1, 2003. For all the details, here's the Columbine Encyclopedia entry about the depositions.

My sources for the date Kathy Harris was deposed are multiple news articles from the Denver Post whose contributors were covering the depositions, and people I was in contact with who went to the courthouse the week they were doing the depositions and reported back about how they saw the Harris' on Thursday and Friday. Thursday, July 31, 2003 was when Wayne Harris gave his deposition.

Ron Aigner will not give anyone the rest of the depositions. I know practically everyone in the research community and since the day he started telling people he'll give them the depositions and additional documents allegedly from DeCamp, he has never followed through for anyone period. I've asked him many times and he has had so many excuses over the years. The most recent excuse is that he's in another country and his hard drive is broken, and the broken laptop is in some random state in the U.S. and he just doesn't know how to get the data off the drive, nor will he try.

We've chatted for HOURS live over the years many times and when asked about the depositions or anything to do with Columbine, even just asking why he thinks they wanted to destroy them, he will avoid the question entirely and start talking about Trump, med beds, aliens, and anything else nonstop and never let you get a word in for 2-3 hours (literally, no exaggeration there). I've sent other researchers to talk to him to try in recent years and it's the same thing. They can't get a word in and Ron diverts all the questions to med beds and Trump.

This deposition "leak" is a fraud. I could elaborate on why I think he faked it, but that would be a whole other topic. Let's just say I think he faked it to make people believe the depositions really exist.