Mark Taylor conspiricy?

Oxymoron

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Some of the written comments from that lady are archived here:
http://www.erichufschmid.net/Columbine-DonnaTaylor.html

The above site is run by a vile racist I've heard of before, but there is audio which sounds to me like she is off.
He seems to be leading her on.....
What, to your mind, was racist about the link?

I have not researched anything about Columbine before reading the OP... this is all new to me. It simply seemed to me that Mick was being somewhat blinkered in his apparent dismissal of the OP and I started looking into it a bit and questioning the OS. From this cursory examination of the events, there appears to be a possible cover up and a lot of things which need to be examined. If I am wrong, I am guilty of nothing but exploring some anomalies which are disturbing to me and which I would expect to be disturbing to most people.

I find it disturbing that people can be whisked off the street, sectioned and forcibly drugged without any charge, Court hearing, conviction or documented evidence. It is even more disturbing when the terrible results, shown in the video, are so obvious. What a transformation. How can this be in anyone's interests.

Do I trust the American politicians, media, intelligence agencies, military and law enforcement.... I trust them as much as I trust JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs and the Fed... as far as I can throw them.
 

Oxymoron

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Good question! Oxymoron, how does the book handle that question?
I have not read the book but it is called "I asked, God answered"

http://www.amazon.com/Asked-God-Answered-Columbine-Miracle/dp/1598863495

The allegation, which is never addressed by an investigation by the authorities, is that in the January prior to the shootings Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris were arrested for breaking into a van and raped whilst in police custody.

Sullivan was the guy in charge and given his subsequent conviction it appears quite likely that the allegation is true or at least should be thoroughly investigated.

Following ongoing forced medication using highly questionable drugs which warn of increased aggression and suicidal tendencies, it is put forward that Klebold and Harris planned the shooting as a means of drawing in the cops so they could shoot them. Apparently they did not think of walking into the police station or attacking the police out on the streets but then perhaps there were other factors as well, such as below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Harris_and_Dylan_Klebold

Back to Mark Taylor... he successfully sued Solvay but was only awarded an amazingly small compensation of $10,000 which he donated to cancer research, saying that Solvay representatives had threatened him following the suit and warned him not to spend the money

 

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What, to your mind, was racist about the link?

maybe this bit:
Basically "the jews did it"

I have not researched anything about Columbine before reading the OP... this is all new to me. It simply seemed to me that Mick was being somewhat blinkered in his apparent dismissal of the OP and I started looking into it a bit and questioning the OS. From this cursory examination of the events, there appears to be a possible cover up and a lot of things which need to be examined. If I am wrong, I am guilty of nothing but exploring some anomalies which are disturbing to me and which I would expect to be disturbing to most people.
It seemed like a mess of unsubstantiated claims, often contradictory:

- Columbine was cause by people taking too many drugs
- There were lots more shooters
- Columbine was caused by the actions of a child sex ring
- Half the school did not attend that day, so thousands of people knew it was going to happen
- Bill Deagle was somehow involved
- and a whole bunch of other stuff.

I find it disturbing that people can be whisked off the street, sectioned and forcibly drugged without any charge, Court hearing, conviction or documented evidence. It is even more disturbing when the terrible results, shown in the video, are so obvious. What a transformation. How can this be in anyone's interests.
They can't. There would have to be a court hearing. But why would YOU have access to such sensitive private information?
 

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I find it disturbing that people can be whisked off the street, sectioned and forcibly drugged without any charge, Court hearing, conviction or documented evidence. It is even more disturbing when the terrible results, shown in the video, are so obvious. What a transformation. How can this be in anyone's interests.
Where is the evidence that he didn't receive due process? Lawyers and media love that shit, they would be all over it.

Given the Taylor's past actions regarding psychiatric doctors and drugs, it's most likely that Mark's appearance in the later videos is a result of his psychological decline and lack of treatment, rather than as a result of treatment while committed.
 

Jay Reynolds

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Back to Mark Taylor... he successfully sued Solvay but was only awarded an amazingly small compensation of $10,000 which he donated to cancer research, saying that Solvay representatives had threatened him following the suit and warned him not to spend the money
Were did he get the Lexus RX-300 (>$30,000 USD)his mother speaks of him owning?
She says in the video that he was "going downhill" 2 years ago and he was still driving 2 years ago. She is telling us that he had mental problems before he was hospitalized....one year later, after he had, according to his mother, been "going into some kind of craziness" he was committed to the mental ward.

Mark Taylor states in the video (~5:00)that he didn't write the book..............right after that, the video has ben edited, smething was cut out, and the interview starts again with another question about the book, but then the interview was edited again,and another question is asked. Why?

Watch that video very carefully, and, despite the editing, it becomes clear by his own mother's statements that Mark Taylor had mental probems before he was committed.
 

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Were did he get the Lexus RX-300 (>$30,000 USD)his mother speaks of him owning?
That's the exact same car I have! Coincidence? I think so!

A 2002 RX-300 is only worth around $7000 now, so not quite the luxury expense it sounds like, possibly he got it new after his recover with some survivors fund?
 

Oxymoron

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maybe this bit:
 

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Yes, inc high level pedophilia... and that allegation has been made before and since but seems to get swept under the carpet. Here is some information on it. What is so unbelievable about it? Nixon even stated Bohemian Grove was “the most damn faggoty thing that ever existed” or something to that effect
What on earth does Nixon's statement have to do with pedophilia?
 

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If that is true, why is his mother complaining that he has never been charged with anything and no evidence has been presented?
As he's an adult, she is not his legal guardian, so has no right to the information.

I strongly suspect that she applied to be his guardian, and got rejected because of her own mental health problems.
 

Oxymoron

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What on earth does Nixon's statement have to do with pedophilia?
There are lots of accusations re the goings on at BG, inc pedophilia. I previously posted a yt video of a guy who claims to have taken part in murders and abductions at BG, (on the BG thread) and who states he is willing to testify. What else can the man do? How can it be proved one way or the other? There have been many instances where abuse allegations have been fabricated and many where abuse allegations have been swept under the carpet. All I know is, there are a lot of people making the same allegations about the same group of people.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/111206a.htm

 

Oxymoron

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As he's an adult, she is not his legal guardian, so has no right to the information.

I strongly suspect that she applied to be his guardian, and got rejected because of her own mental health problems.
Basically you don't know... the same as I do not know. So either of our assumptions could be correct. BTW how do you know what her mental health is like? You don't but you are quite prepared to assume.
 

Oxymoron

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Luvox was not taken off the market, it is still for sale.

http://www.webmd.com/drugs/drug-1089-Luvox+Oral.aspx?drugid=1089&drugname=Luvox+Oral&pagenumber=6

Some don't like it, for others it saved their lives(see bottom of page):
http://forums.psychcentral.com/meds/luvox.html

More:
http://www.drugs.com/comments/fluvoxamine/luvox.html
http://medicalwhistleblower.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/silencing-truth-about-drug-luvox-and.html
This gives a lot more information on what happened and the legal position. Basically Mark was has been kidnapped by the state.

 

Jay Reynolds

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As he's an adult, she is not his legal guardian, so has no right to the information.

I strongly suspect that she applied to be his guardian, and got rejected because of her own mental health problems.
Yes, she was not given guardianship while he was in the hospital. According to her own statements, his own mother took him to the hospital, he wasn't "whisked off the streets".
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/03/15/columbine-tragedy-compounded/

She is claiming that she didn't know for a year that in order to control Mark's treatment she needed to get guardianship?
I find that very hard to believe, don't you?.

While she did not get guardianship, according to the court records which she is not disclosing, Todd E. Taylor was given guardianship:
http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/ProbateCourtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=PB2011-000036

I don't know who Todd E. Taylor is, possibly one of his 5 or more brothers and sisters, and Donna Taylor didn't mention that part of the story.

Don't you think it is significant that none of them is supporting their mother?


There is a whole lot of this story which Donna Taylor isn't being honest about. She seems to be the only one of the nine member family saying these things. She goes from one CT to another with her stories, leaving a trail of ever-expanding conspiracies against her from state to state, always asking for money.

I have come to the conclusion that there is a conspiracy here, and Donna Taylor likely let the cat out of the bag here:

Donna Taylor said:
Apparently, Loncar, based on false information and rumors she had heard but failed to check out, also lied by claiming that I had financially exploited my son.
 

Jay Reynolds

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While she did not get guardianship, according to the court records which she is not disclosing, Todd E. Taylor was given guardianship:
http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/ProbateCourtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=PB2011-000036:
My link doesn't lead to the search results for some reason. I searched Probate records at the link using PB2011-00036 and got the complete case history, multiple hearings, motions, rulings, etc. Todd E. Taylor was given guardianship. You can go to the Maricopa Court and get the hard-copy records in person.
 

Oxymoron

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Yes, she was not given guardianship while he was in the hospital. According to her own statements, his own mother took him to the hospital, he wasn't "whisked off the streets".
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/03/15/columbine-tragedy-compounded/
Good researching J... especially re the Court. It's not easy to drill down on this. Originally, he was apparently arrested but not charged following his visit to a bookstore to see about book placement. He was accused of sending a letter threatening to bomb the store but he was never charged AFAIK and the letter has never been substantiated or used in evidence. He was on his own at that time and was detained under the mental health rules/system and drugged.

This is a separate incarceration resulting from a seizure brought on due to a visit to the emergency dept of the hospital following a gas leak in a rented property.

Many people are reporting that it is extremely difficult to get off these drugs once hooked, which can happen in a few weeks.

http://www.crazymeds.us/CrazyTalk/index.php?/topic/7918-luvox-withdrawal-too/

She is claiming that she didn't know for a year that in order to control Mark's treatment she needed to get guardianship?
I find that very hard to believe, don't you?.
It does seem very strange. She appears quite articulate and savvy in many other regards.

While she did not get guardianship, according to the court records which she is not disclosing, Todd E. Taylor was given guardianship:
http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/ProbateCourtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=PB2011-000036

I don't know who Todd E. Taylor is, possibly one of his 5 or more brothers and sisters, and Donna Taylor didn't mention that part of the story.
Apparently she has been kept out of the loop and it is unclear whether she has access to or authority to disclose any records. I tried to access the records through your link as you described but had no success with that. Was there any really pertinent parts you could share... presumably, as you accessed them, they must be public, which I am surprised about.

Don't you think it is significant that none of them is supporting their mother?
I do not know whether they are supportive or not... perhaps they are just not public on the issue for personal reasons. Any more conclusive views or info?

There is a whole lot of this story which Donna Taylor isn't being honest about. She seems to be the only one of the nine member family saying these things. She goes from one CT to another with her stories, leaving a trail of ever-expanding conspiracies against her from state to state, always asking for money.

I have come to the conclusion that there is a conspiracy here, and Donna Taylor likely let the cat out of the bag here:
Originally Posted by Donna Taylor
Apparently, Loncar, based on false information and rumors she had heard but failed to check out, also lied by claiming that I had financially exploited my son.
Donna addresses this issue quite succinctly... there is and has never been any exploitation as there was and is nothing to exploit anyway. His book sales were bringing in about $50 to $80 per year in royalties and they were both entitled and in receipt of welfare benefits due to health problems and that's what they survived on.

Loncar allegedly lied repeatedly on forms, stating that there was no way to contact Donna, which is why she did not get guardianship.

I must admit the whole thing is strange. Apparently one of the allegations is that the mental facility is a 'for profit' institution, funded by the Fed on a per patient basis and it is alleged there are a number of people incarcerated there, for profit only who should not be there.
 
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Oxymoron

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Here is an ABC article:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=7300782&page=3

 

RolandD

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You left out:

 

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Mark is 30 years old now. His mother is still begging for money. According to the anonymous(?) person running this Facebook page, Mark's father is on the scene and asking to keep her away and an accounting for the money.
LINK
 

Cairenn

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"I need help so much," she told ABCNews.com, intermittently coughing and crying. "I'm so scared. He's almost choked me several times. He cannot think logically anymore."

He has tried to kill her and yet he doesn't need mental health care? Really? Maybe he needs to be in jail for assault then.

It sounds like to me that both of them have mental problems and need help.
 

Oxymoron

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"I need help so much," she told ABCNews.com, intermittently coughing and crying. "I'm so scared. He's almost choked me several times. He cannot think logically anymore."

He has tried to kill her and yet he doesn't need mental health care? Really? Maybe he needs to be in jail for assault then.

It sounds like to me that both of them have mental problems and need help.
Your so understanding C. What 'help' do you recommend?
 
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Donna Taylor has a large contingent of professionals who have review the documentation that has been released on the www.columbinefamilyrequest.org website. Several doctors, a forensic psychologist, several webmasters, investigators, witnesses , et al. all support Donna and were witness to the abduction and drugging of Mark. There was absolutely nothing wrong with Mark except for what he was saying. Mark IS a political prisoner. If you have any questions about what he was saying about the Columbine shooters having been raped, listen to his attorney John Decamp on the 8-28-12 podcast of the DR. Stan Monteith show. From what I've read, you are out in left field on most of this. Once you learn the truth about what Mark was saying, you will understand why they have abducted and drugged him. I have been attacked physically and falsely arrested twice while helping Mark and Donna. Instead of questioning him, learn from what he was saying.
https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=ht....net/radioliberty/082812b.mp3&h=sAQH4V1PL&s=1
 

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I thought that since this thread was about my friend Mark Taylor, that I should join in the conversation. If you have questions, please ask. Mark and Donna need your help. There is no conspiracy going on here. We have always wondered why Dr. Deagle was in Mark's life too. Otherwise, the others in Mark's life who know him will attest to the fact that Mark was perfectly normal before he was abducted. Mark was abducted twice in Colorado Springs, He had already been drugged in Colorado Springs. They fled the area when a doctor Mary Z, warned Donna that Mark's life was in danger. Mark was having breathing problems when Donna took him to a hospital in Arizona. They abducted him again. We got him free from Arizona. He was under a doctor's care in Colorado who tried to take Mark off the medication too quickly., He suffered a seizure. He was abducted in Colorado and they will not release him. His father who is being drugged is his guardian because he works with the system. Mark is a very gentle person who is not a danger to himself or any others. I have never seen him act out or act angry. Just the opposite. He is very mellow and won't stand up for himself. Big Pharma and the Government goons that are doing this to him are evil monsters. Here is a page that we didn't create but explains what was done to Mark in Court by legal bullies led by Ken Salazar who is the departing Interior Secretary of the USA.
http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=10591&st=0&#last
Mark did not know anything about Dr. Elliott. They used Mark's name to shoespoon themselves into the courtroom. Soon after, they chemically silenced Mark.
http://www.broomfieldenterprise.com/ci_12778639
Dr. Elliott must have been referring to Sandy Hook when he says that there will be more lives lost by not doing an investigation. What he fails to mention is that he knew about the Shooters having been raped. We had contacted him with our knowledge.
 

Oxymoron

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What help does anyone with mental health problems need? It varies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treatment_of_mental_disorders

I assume you just want to make some point about drugs used to treat mental health disorders? Or their usage or marketing? Don't beat around the bush. Make your case.
That's so cute how you and C answer for each other.

I like that people on this forum are usually good at picking up subtext. I read some subtext in C's last post. Wondered if Cairenn wanted to elaborate.

I am not usually one to beat about the bush. I recognise the need for, and have an interest in, mental health issues and treatments, particularly psychology. I liken it to 'physics of the mind'.

I recognise that some mental disorders can be rooted in chemical imbalances in the brain... ergo psychiatry's use of drugs.

I am also aware of the huge experimentation used in that field which has had devastating and lifelong debilitating effects on many many people... often orphans, young offenders, criminals and political prisoners. It is, like the medical profession in general, a discipline with a very dark past and is still plagued with many difficult ethical problems and apparently a dark side, even today.

Having said that... I was fascinated by the film Awakenings and the amazing, although sadly short lived benefits derived.

I therefore recoiled somewhat when I saw C's post which appeared disingenuous with what appeared to me to be a subtext advocating psychiatric interventions just because a parent is concerned at the apparent ill effects of the drugs being used on her son.

To be blunt, I saw C's post as an attempt to 'stick the boot in' on someone who is obviously dealing with great hardship and difficulty. I wonder how other people might deal with such a difficult situation and how trusting they may be of a profession which has so many question marks around it.
 

Cairenn

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Normal folks do not try to choke others, either they have a mental illness or they have criminal intent. It is common for those with mental illness to deny that they need treatment, it is also common for them to claim that the drugs make things 'fuzzy' for them.

I was pointing out a symptom of mental illness, that came from his Mother.

I have to think back on the Sandy Hook shooter and the fact that his mom had admitted having problems with him and of being afraid of him. Maybe if he had been forcibly committed, Sandy Hook wouldn't have happened. I guess that one does need to believe that children were killed there to see that correlation.

That is one of the HUGE dangers I see in conspiracy theories, they allow you to ignore the real causes of something, and that can lead to more disaster. Sort of like seeing a quack doctor, could easily mean that you don't get the proper treatment for an illness, until it is too late. I still wonder if Steve Jobs would still be alive, if he had went with conventional treatment FIRST.
 

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Normal folks do not try to choke others, either they have a mental illness or they have criminal intent. It is common for those with mental illness to deny that they need treatment, it is also common for them to claim that the drugs make things 'fuzzy' for them.

I was pointing out a symptom of mental illness, that came from his Mother.

I have to think back on the Sandy Hook shooter and the fact that his mom had admitted having problems with him and of being afraid of him. Maybe if he had been forcibly committed, Sandy Hook wouldn't have happened. I guess that one does need to believe that children were killed there to see that correlation.

That is one of the HUGE dangers I see in conspiracy theories, they allow you to ignore the real causes of something, and that can lead to more disaster. Sort of like seeing a quack doctor, could easily mean that you don't get the proper treatment for an illness, until it is too late. I still wonder if Steve Jobs would still be alive, if he had went with conventional treatment FIRST.
The world is full of maybe's. People lose their tempers and smash plates or shout at someone or threaten people... if they were all forcibly medicated the whole world would be drugged or incarcerated.

Some people go so far as to say, "All men are potential rapists", does that mean all men should be locked up?

The fact is... these drugs are known to exacerbate many conditions and to make people agitated, sleep deprived, paranoid, violent, self harming disoriented... in short, they are often counterproductive.

Obviously, if his mother had wanted to she could have pressed charges... it comes down to a judgement call. What would you have done? Ok, unfair question because there are a myriad of factors to take into account and well you and I were not there were we.

The point here is about whether he should have been locked up and forcibly drugged in the first place and about the apparent lack of due process and safeguards and the fact that his mother was denied access or opportunity to exercise her guardianship.

http://www.helpguide.org/mental/medications_depression.htm#effects

I would suggest that a loving, stress free environment is also very helpful in overcoming these problems, along with cognitive behavioural therapy if possible.

For some people it is easy to put someone away and get on with their lives but many people choose to stand by their loved ones even when it is difficult. That does not make the carer 'mentally ill'.
 

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Normal folks do not try to choke others, either they have a mental illness or they have criminal intent. It is common for those with mental illness to deny that they need treatment, it is also common for them to claim that the drugs make things 'fuzzy' for them.

I was pointing out a symptom of mental illness, that came from his Mother.

I have to think back on the Sandy Hook shooter and the fact that his mom had admitted having problems with him and of being afraid of him. Maybe if he had been forcibly committed, Sandy Hook wouldn't have happened. I guess that one does need to believe that children were killed there to see that correlation.

That is one of the HUGE dangers I see in conspiracy theories, they allow you to ignore the real causes of something, and that can lead to more disaster. Sort of like seeing a quack doctor, could easily mean that you don't get the proper treatment for an illness, until it is too late. I still wonder if Steve Jobs would still be alive, if he had went with conventional treatment FIRST.
Mark Taylor was no longer a "normal people" when this alleged incident occurred. This was AFTER they had force medicated and mind raped him and his mother was not understanding at the time what the side effects of the medication were doing to Mark. This incident is the only time that I have ever heard of where Mark may have acted out his frustration with the nightmare his life has become. I and most others in his situation would have flattened a therapist by then. He has been messed with by all of these goons and simply wants his freedom. How would you feel if you were incarcerated for no reason? I have actually encouraged him to be more assertive in his demands for freedom. To equate Mark's situation with Adam Lanza's is pure lunacy. Maybe they should check for a "chemical imbalance". Oh yeah, they can't. So how is this science? It is propaganda by drug companies. Go drink your kool-aid. The people surrounding Mark are curious why you even call this thread a conspiracy. You should be concerning yourself with what Mark was saying. It is a FACT that Eric Harris was raped by cops and drugged. Are you too dumbed down to see WHY they silenced Mark? Mark was a whistleblower and they simply attacked the messenger. Get off of Mark's back and start protecting him. Mark was acting responsibly in trying to protect YOUR children. Mark is a good man who I believe is a HERO. Google Columbine family request Release Mark Taylor January Incident Walsh buttrape.txt. The pedophile rapist that raped Eric Harris and those who protect him should be in prison. Not Mark! For those of you that think the Columbine tragedy has nothing to do with Sandy hook. Lead conspirator of the Columbine Tragedy Bill Ritter was invited to the opening meeting of the Sandy Hook Advisory Commission. What do they know that you don't? Are we in for Columbine Cover up part 2?
http://columbinefamilyrequest.org/2013/01/sandy-hook-advisory-commission-january-24-2013-meeting/
 

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What proof is there that Eric Harris was raped by the police. Any medical reports ?
I'll have to admit. That is one one the more stupid comments I have had to reply to. I guess that there may be medical reports in the 3,000 pages of sealed documents. We have knowledge of this rape from many sources including the depositions of the Harris parents which remain sealed . How about a reinactment of the arrest video tape? We have somewhere in the neighborhood of 65,000 pages including the Decamp files which no one else has. Columbine was the largest investigation in the history of the state of Colorado and they totally avoid an investigation of the January Incident even though law enforcement labeled a picture that Harris drew while under arrest "WALSH BUTTRAPE.TXT" This has been a nightmare for the families of the dead and injured to demand that this be investigated. If you have passion for the Sandy hook victims, why do you insult the victims of the Columbine tragedy? Do your research. Google Columbine family request. Google Release Mark Taylor and stop insulting our intelligence. Here, Listen to John Decamp. I'm sure his bio will impress you.

https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=ht....net/radioliberty/082812b.mp3&h=sAQH4V1PL&s=1
 

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We have knowledge of this rape from many sources including the depositions of the Harris parents which remain sealed .
Hi Ron- I apologize but I am still confused...


if the Harris' deposition is sealed- how do you know what it contains? And if you do know what it contains- can you please elaborate?

Also, I am still confused about the picture Harris drew and its relation to the "label" - The pictures seems to be of a crime scene? The where is the label ?

You mentioned "many sources"- could you elaborate and share so that we do not just have to rely on hearsay?

just trying to figure it all out- thanks?
 

Cairenn

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Why does you link give me a warning?

I asked for some proof. You say you have some files. We need a safe link, or at least I do.

The 'Franklin Report' and more of the Satanism conspiracies.

Bios are important, but more important is what that person is doing and saying NOW.
 

Jay Reynolds

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I'll have to admit. That is one one the more stupid comments I have had to reply to. I guess that there may be medical reports in the 3,000 pages of sealed documents. We have knowledge of this rape from many sources including the depositions of the Harris parents which remain sealed . How about a reinactment of the arrest video tape? We have somewhere in the neighborhood of 65,000 pages including the Decamp files which no one else has. Columbine was the largest investigation in the history of the state of Colorado and they totally avoid an investigation of the January Incident even though law enforcement labeled a picture that Harris drew while under arrest "WALSH BUTTRAPE.TXT" This has been a nightmare for the families of the dead and injured to demand that this be investigated. If you have passion for the Sandy hook victims, why do you insult the victims of the Columbine tragedy? Do your research. Google Columbine family request. Google Release Mark Taylor and stop insulting our intelligence. Here, Listen to John Decamp. I'm sure his bio will impress you.

https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=ht....net/radioliberty/082812b.mp3&h=sAQH4V1PL&s=1
Ron, I hope that you won't find my question stupid. I am somewhat of a stickler about documenting stories. You mention this "WALSH BUTTRAPE.TXT" file as being significant. What was the exact source of that file? I want everything, who created it, what date was the file created, when did it first emerge and how did it come to be in your possession? These are simple questions that I am sure you have faced before, and they deserve a straight answer.

How do you respond?
 

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Hi Ron- I apologize but I am still confused...


if the Harris' deposition is sealed- how do you know what it contains? And if you do know what it contains- can you please elaborate?

Also, I am still confused about the picture Harris drew and its relation to the "label" - The pictures seems to be of a crime scene? The where is the label ?

You mentioned "many sources"- could you elaborate and share so that we do not just have to rely on hearsay?

just trying to figure it all out- thanks?
The quickness of your response lets me know that you haven't done any of the things I asked. I have gone over this with literally hundreds of researchers including forensic psychologists, and have yet to fail. google walsh butt rape. Much of our information came from the shooters themselves. Much also came from the way they investigated, covered up the truth. Also profiles of the hooligans that we have to deal with in Law Enforcement will give you an idea of the low level of integrity. Google Sheriff Pat Sullivan. Google Gary Clyman, Don Estep. Where is Tim Walsh? We have been calling him a pedophile rapist for years. Why hasn't he sued? I don't have time here to explain it all. Google Columbine family request. One question I have for you. What is it about pedophilia that you don't want researched and reported? Don't you think that it is important to look at ALL of the environmental factors that affect school shooters or are some topics off limits? Since Columbine, we have learned that pedophilia played a significant part in the Platte Canyon tragedy and the Church shooter Mathew Murray. This was found on Mathew Murray's blog as a link. Ricky Rodriques is a classic example of a boy who was provoked to murder due to pedophilic abuse.
http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Ricky_Rodriguez_video
 

Cairenn

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I did some checking on Patrick Sullivan. He was trading meth for sex with adult men. When asked if he had ever had sex with someone underage, he said that he wasn't sure, since he was doing meth at the time. Why are saying that means he is a pedophile? How many guys when they are drunk, double check the age of the woman/girl they picked up? It seems that he is a homosexual and a meth addict.

There are 1000s of law enforcement officials in the US, and there are a few that are criminals of various types, from drug addicts to thieves and yes there are even sexual abusers and murderers among them. That doesn't mean that they ALL are. That makes as much sense as saying that 'all men over 6 ft tall are great basketball players', because most of the NBA is over 6 ft tall.

Let's see you link the Columbine shooters to sexual abuse by the police.
 

SR1419

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The quickness of your response lets me know that you haven't done any of the things I asked. I have gone over this with literally hundreds of researchers including forensic psychologists, and have yet to fail. google walsh butt rape. Much of our information came from the shooters themselves. Much also came from the way they investigated, covered up the truth.

So...in other words, you do not actually have any sources, don't have access to the sealed deposition from the Harris'.

I simply asked for details that would lend credence to your charge and all you replied with was obfuscation and accusation.

I DO want pedophillia researched and reported- thats WHY I asked about. Its a serious claim and if true could lead to a greater understanding of the situation.

I DID go over Columbine Family website quite a bit...didn't any details of the claim.

I DID google "walsh butt rape" and found this- how do you respond?:

http://crtf.yuku.com/reply/6359/Re-Walsh-Buttrape-txt-file-Ron-it-s-not-what-you-think-#.US_wSmdc98F
 
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Jay Reynolds

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I DID go over Columbine Family website quite a bit...didn't any details of the claim.

I DID google "walsh butt rape" and found this- how do you respond?:
http://crtf.yuku.com/reply/6359/Re-Walsh-Buttrape-txt-file-Ron-it-s-not-what-you-think-#.US_wSmdc98F
SR1419, great minds move in similar circles. This afternoon, I also googled the same as you, and found the same information. I don't particularly give that person any more credibility than Ron Aigner, but I asked Ron some very specific questions which he should have been able to easily answer.

He didn't answer my questions. That tells me that there is something he does not want to explain for some reason, even though the answers should be very simple.
I am always suspicious when I ask a specific set of direct questions (who, what, where, when, and why) which are basic starting points when describing an event, and the person who is expecting me to accept his story dodges the most basic questions.

I see Ron has used the old ploy, "Everybody else believes" on you.

That is sometimes called the "Bandwagon", he expects that if he plays a fine enough tune, everybody will begin to jump on his wagon, when he sees you asking why you should jump on, he doesn't answer your question, he just says, "Everybody else is jumping on, don't be stupid, there are hundreds of others who have already gotten on."

That is so simple minded, Ron. It won't work on critical thinkers.

Also, Cairenn, Ron's site and especially that buttrape .txt file at scribd made my computer start loading Google windows so fast I could not delete them. After a dozen windows opened up, I had to hard kill my computer and restart. Buyer beware. I've seen enough from Ron Aigner and Donna Taylor to simply give up. If these folks have the truth, they don't know how to use it for sure and because of that there isn't much they can let me do for them.
 

Cairenn

Senior Member.
Ron's link gave me a warning, so I skipped it. I have Norton but it is not the fancy version, so I can't risk getting a virus. A friend got one from a site dealing with the oil spill sometime back
 
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