Debunked: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG), 10kw out for 1kw in.

Soulfly

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Wouldn't it be a fair and true thing to mention that even using gravity, friction will get you in the end. ;)

Entropy always wins, eh?
Super conducting magnets could eliminate friction in many applications. Once they figure out how to make them at room temperature anyway.

Super conducting bearings anyone?
 

AB Hammer

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WeedWacker

There isn't a motor/engine that doesn't ware out due to friction. That is an old argument in this quest. The goal is to get past and overtake the friction problem by design, then it only becomes a longevity question. Again all motors/engines ware out and have to be rebuilt or replaced. The biggest problems IMO with overunity motor systems are they tend to be so over driven. All motors have problems when pushed to their limits and die a quick death. It is like having the proper power supply and the correct wire size to deal with the load. If the wire is to small? It overheats and burns.

So lets say you get a gravity motor that runs a generator. But it has to be serviced every 1 to 2 years. That wouldn't be bad at all and well worth it. Change the lubricating oil as needed and so on. No big deal. You have to do that with a car and how long would it last, it is was ran constant 55 MPH for 1 to 2 years? Not to mention the cost of fuel.
 

AB Hammer

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Soulfly

Super conducting magnets are still a ways away for practical use. There are possible applications for magnet fields to work in place of bearings though, but will the magnetic field work with the design without causing problems has to be determined and normally are not strong enough. There are many low friction bearings out there but are to expensive to use in prototypes of concept. They would be best if gone into production.
 

Hama Neggs

Senior Member
If people have a problem with a post, then report it.

Otherwise, let's stick to the topic. Here we have a video of a supposed free-energy machine, yet it's clearly only running because it's plugged in. That's really all there is to it.
So, they really can't be "true believers" if they have a secret power source still attached after they "unplug it". Afaik, it either works or they are liars- there is no in-between. There is no way to tell from the vid.
 

Hama Neggs

Senior Member
Likely correct, that they are lying, but they may still be blinded by belief in free energy. There is the phenomenon of the "pious fraud": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pious_fraud
Yeah, but my point was- in this case doesn't the guy speaking have to know that when he "unplugged it", it was still connected to external power via a hidden wire?

PS: I checked your link. It speaks to the idea of minor details being overlooked in an "honest" fashion. The mind boggles.
 

Saosin29

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I think a lot of you guys are missing the boat on this one. You have to do the research to know what is going on here. They aren't claiming they have free energy. All they are saying is they have resonance. Meaning, they have the machine at a point where it's spinning and producing energy from some input. They are not getting more output yet than in during this video. So YES, it is plugged in. The team is now trying to make adjustments to create over unity. According to a recent post, they claim they have reached over unity but no video has been released yet.

It's wild how they have never yet claimed anything you guys are saying other than that they believe this machine, once tweaked, can produce over unity. A very exciting project yet people want to kill it, put it down and destroy the people for no reason. You like using fossil fuels? I sure don't.

We are much better off as a race trying to support one another and encourage each other to achieve great things, than we are to bash, put down and doubt everything we see while having little to no idea what's going on. Just doesn't make much sense.
 

Mick West

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I think a lot of you guys are missing the boat on this one. You have to do the research to know what is going on here. They aren't claiming they have free energy. All they are saying is they have resonance. Meaning, they have the machine at a point where it's spinning and producing energy from some input. They are not getting more output yet than in during this video. So YES, it is plugged in. The team is now trying to make adjustments to create over unity. According to a recent post, they claim they have reached over unity but no video has been released yet.

It's wild how they have never yet claimed anything you guys are saying other than that they believe this machine, once tweaked, can produce over unity. A very exciting project yet people want to kill it, put it down and destroy the people for no reason. You like using fossil fuels? I sure don't.

We are much better off as a race trying to support one another and encourage each other to achieve great things, than we are to bash, put down and doubt everything we see while having little to no idea what's going on. Just doesn't make much sense.
Yes, the description in the video says quite clearly that
However this video has been widely shared around the internet as an example of successful demonstration of some form of free energy device. My post is describing how it is not, and pointing out that it looks like a scam to get consulting fees.

I understand that in the alternative/spiritual community it is frowned upon to question anything that anyone says. I fear that this has allowed a lot of people to be accepting of wild anti-science claims, and ultimately to become victims of hoaxes like this.

The people in this video seem like a nice honest bunch, and I feel bad for them. I am not bashing their intentions. I think they have been tricked, and they are wasting time and money.
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member
It's wild how they have never yet claimed anything you guys are saying other than that they believe this machine, once tweaked, can produce over unity. A very exciting project yet people want to kill it, put it down and destroy the people for no reason. You like using fossil fuels? I sure don't.
Excuse me?! I think you'll find they very explicitly stated they had achieved overunity and were able to replicate it for others, for a substantial build and consultation fee.

We are much better off as a race trying to support one another and encourage each other to achieve great things, than we are to bash, put down and doubt everything we see while having little to no idea what's going on. Just doesn't make much sense.
We are better off as a race exposing those who would take advantage of other's need and trusting nature, giving them any sort of free pass because it might be construed as negative vibes doesn't make any sense. If they had the real thing, critical analysis and skepticism would be welcomed and they would be prepared for it, instead they resort to claims of paid trolls and shills out to get them, a sure sign of fraud.
 

Mick West

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In this video they claim to have over-unity (more power out than in), but as pointed out in the comments, their math seems to be off, and of course the true test would be to have the machine self-power - not dimly illuminate some bulbs.
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member
They're contstantly shifting the goal posts, delaying, while dangling claims just in front of actual confirmation.
 

Saosin29

New Member
I think we need to not jump the gun so quick in that if they have consulting services that its automatically a scam. These people need to make money to survive too. Now Im not saying go pay them, I'm just saying I know HopeGirl and am close to friends who know her well, she wouldn't have any reason to deceive anyone. So either they have built a device that will never work and they are wasting their time and money, or, they believe they are into something and are releasing open source plans in order to try and help the world.

The onus is on them to prove, but there's no point in us all jumping the gun when we don't know much yet. I'm personally excited about the possibility vs just being in a state of doubt and what not.

Peace
 

Mick West

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The nonsensical thing here is the idea that they have plans for something which supposedly can demonstrate over unity, and yet they cannot replicate it.

Why does HopeGirl not provide a working demonstration? Surely the simplest explanation is that it does not work. Instead she's trying to raise $20,000 in travel expenses.
http://www.gofundme.com/Phase3QEG


For what? So they can set up a self-pumping well?
That would be great, but you don't need to go to Morocco for that. Just demonstrate that it works, and the world will be irrevocably changed.
 

Saosin29

New Member
I get where your concern in her funding is coming from. But I also think these things are a bit harder to create than the communities say at times. Replication isn't always quick. We have contact we a man in India who has a generator that creates 100KW. His is currently being replicated in Wisconsin this year and we will be going to meet with those getting it done who went and vetted his project in India. They are using all of their own money so there is nothing to doubt in that realm. But I think the point at the end of the day is based on what I have seen these devices are very real, it's just they are tricky. Everything down to the fact that the magnetics perform differently in different geological areas of the world given the electromagnetics fields in each area. These things have been suppressed for a long time and so it's a lot of work to discover it all for ones self. At the same time I think that is what the exciting part of all this is.

I have access to the QEG Morocco team dropbox files of all the videos of them making this and doing it. It's currently confidential as per their requests but they have intention of releasing it as a teaching tool for those who are going to build. All I'm suggesting is, have more of an open mind and don't be so quick to jump the gun. I think exciting things are happening here.
 

Mick West

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We have contact we a man in India who has a generator that creates 100KW.
I bet you $100 that his generator is not overunity. If he's getting 100KW out, he's putting 110KW in. More likely he's doing nothing of the sort.

But it's pointless discussing things where there's no supporting evidence. The fact remains that this has never been demonstrated in a way that is open for inspection, and there is no reason why it should not be demonstrated and inspected.

Do you want to change the world? Show the world it works. Why not?
 

Saosin29

New Member
He claims his device is over-unity. And personally I don't think people would be spending time and money trying to create something that isn't if they claim it is.

There have been a number of devices that have worked and people have demonstrated it on video and have been open to inspection. Whether it's happened in the past or more recently. The trouble is their ideas often get shut down or bought by large companies and then patents are bought and the devices sit doing nothing. People then chalk this up as conspiracy but that's just so we can keep doubting.

A very close friend of mine did a simple conversion of boiling gasoline right before it gets to the spark plug so that fumes were burnt instead of the gas as liquid. It was 20 times more efficient and he did this with a couple friends as a university project. Just that alone was set aside by the comapnies they took it too as it would revolutionize the auto industry, would kill oil production and would drop the prices of almost everything in existence. Why? Why is it being suppressed? That's self explanatory.

There are hundreds of brilliant and well respected individuals who have see these devices first hand and have told about it. It doesn't always go over well but I do believe we are at a huge turning point in human evolution and consciousness where instead of being destructive and operating based on individual goals only, community is becoming more of a accepted concept and people are wanting to work together, clean up how we do things here and make a difference. This is the consciousness where I think these types of inventions can finally come out more easily.
Couple of videos I enjoy for whatever they are worth to who checks them out.
 

Balance

Senior Member
Why would the inventor be freezing in his workshop because of "...inadquecies of kerosens heaters..."?

@9mins
 

Leifer

Senior Member
He claims his device is over-unity. And personally I don't think people would be spending time and money trying to create something that isn't if they claim it is.
There have been a number of devices that have worked and people have demonstrated it on video and have been open to inspection. Whether it's happened in the past or more recently. The trouble is their ideas often get shut down or bought by large companies and then patents are bought and the devices sit doing nothing. People then chalk this up as conspiracy but that's just so we can keep doubting.
See what's in bold ?
I'm sure even you, can come up with people who claim their creation does work, but that does not work.
Can you think of any ?
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member
No-one would ever argue against experimentations in improving energy generation and efficiency, people that experiment in that field are wonderful, but in this particular case there is nothing special about the QEG. It has been claimed it is a revolutionary device that will change the world, yet they haven't done the most basic of proofs, just claimed it. They claimed they had 150 hours of overunity running on a device before they went to Taiwan, which for some reason they never decided to actually use to demonstrate the concept.
Now they are getting more demands for actual measurements (and expressing some surprise that people want this), but are either incompetent in their understanding of how to measure, or deliberately exploiting general ignorance on technical details.
eg.

 

Leifer

Senior Member
If it works, and will change the world......send the plans to 2000 people. Tell them to prove it, and send it to 2000 more people.......repeating the viral spread. It's info would become exponential.
No entity could stop the spread of the new technology, because at least 80% would have saved the data on private memory drives.
Maybe there is a reason that has not happened ?
 

Svartbjørn

Senior Member
I think a lot of you guys are missing the boat on this one. You have to do the research to know what is going on here. They aren't claiming they have free energy. All they are saying is they have resonance. Meaning, they have the machine at a point where it's spinning and producing energy from some input. They are not getting more output yet than in during this video. So YES, it is plugged in. The team is now trying to make adjustments to create over unity. According to a recent post, they claim they have reached over unity but no video has been released yet.

It's wild how they have never yet claimed anything you guys are saying other than that they believe this machine, once tweaked, can produce over unity. A very exciting project yet people want to kill it, put it down and destroy the people for no reason. You like using fossil fuels? I sure don't.

We are much better off as a race trying to support one another and encourage each other to achieve great things, than we are to bash, put down and doubt everything we see while having little to no idea what's going on. Just doesn't make much sense.
Mick and Pete pretty much hit the nail on the head @Saosin29, No one here has an issue with alternative forms of energy.. what I personally have a problem with is with what was pointed out.. people taking advantage of the urge to get off of the dependence of Fossil Fuels to turn a buck. How kind is it of one person to take advantage of another? Is that, in and of itself, not a kind of cruelty? You'll find, as you spend time here on the site, that very rarely are things just taken at face value, and that IF -evidence- comes along to prove or disprove any particular stance taken for or against a claim, its embraced.. not shunned.

My second biggest issue is that there is no such thing as "free energy.." call it Unity or Over Unity if you want.. give it any name you like, but the point is perpetual motion isnt possible.. you cant get something from nothing. If it were possible to get more energy OUT of a system than you put in, which would then feed the machine and keep it running while using the left over energy as a power source (which is exactly what they're attempting to do) then itd have been done already. If it is even -theoretically- possible to be successful, we dont have the technology to do it. Which is the issue with this whole scheme. Im all for new ways of making energy, I am -not- however, for fooling people into thinking its real and charging them huge amounts of money to help "properly" set it up (the consultation fees Mick spoke about). It isnt the project thats the problem, its the periferals AROUND it and the way its being conducted thats the problem.
 
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Mick West

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Notice something in common with the overunity generators, and the 200 mpg carburetor? After decades, all you've got is people tweaking them, trying to get them to work. And some unsubstantiated claims of them working.

Take a world perspective here. Is it really plausible that there are these simple technologies for free or cheap energy, and there are planes for it on the internet, and yet nobody can get it to work? Hundreds, maybe thousands of engineers tinkering in their garages, and it does not work? Why?
 

Pete Tar

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Although I think the GEQ claims some vague quantum field effect that also depends on positve vibes and male/female cosmic symbology as the source of power, the idea of resonance feeding back into a system to power it has a kind of poetry to it that sounds attractive. As I (no doubt *mis*) understand it the machine is powered up conventionally until the coils start to resonate in tune with each other, which in theory can be harvested back into the machine.
I wonder what the legitimate gains of this system would be, perhaps a more efficient generator?
 

Balance

Senior Member
It seems HopeGirl has her own goals....

ie http://www.gofundme.com/HopeinAustralia

ETA: http://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/ftw-revenue-plan.pdf

Looks like an entrepreneurial reseller to me.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/naima-feagin/15/58a/814

 
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Balance

Senior Member
Sorry as that was a bit of a tangent but I think it illustrates that the inventor, James, has some professional marketing backing though he himself is seeking funds to enable him to test his theory. Despite many claims, I see no concrete evidence he has achived overunity and hundreds of years of science doesn't think he will either, but more power to him for trying.

On a humourous note, I often wonder how the big-bang started and often fantasise it was a mad-scientist experiment that created some sort of energy avalanche that consumed and condensed all matter (and anti-matter?) until it reached critical-mass and exploded again. :D Maybe this is such an experiment in the waiting...
 

Mick West

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Here's a very specific claim of over-unity that goes with the video above:
http://www.allegedlydave.com/blog.htm?article_id=5

The discussion in the youtube comments is interesting. Explaining the misunderstanding in calculating the actual power output.
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member
Yeah, I've been following the discussion of events as they transpire at overunity, and the one thing I've learnt is that it's a very esoteric and technically dense hobby with *lot's* of room to get lost in and be loose with interpretation and values.
Some of the arguments are over things that seem so ridiculously complex they may as well be discussing the finer points of applied magic. They're probably not, but for the average pundit asking "are we overunity yet?" you can really abuse their trust and lack of specialist knowledge.
 

Mika

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No. It's just an old scam. They just sell consulting services at $300 per hour, as you try to get the machine to work, for as long as you let them.
Could we at least have someone here that doesn't believe it, to build it and post the results?
 

Landru

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Could we at least have someone here that doesn't believe it, to build it and post the results?
They'll just say it needs tweaking and offer consulting services, at $300 per hour. But feel free to try yourself.
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member
Someone was doing virtual builds, running simulations and posting the results, which seems like an ideal way to test these things, if the program is accurate enough. It's buried somewhere in the overunity thread, I'll have a look again.

Edit...
nup, no way to find it without reading 82 pages again, but if you have a spare few hours it's worth a read to see what the tinkerers themselves are saying about it.
Some of them did make test builds, and some just analyse according to their past experience with similar systems, but I usually can't follow what they're talking about. Needless to say free energy was not produced.
http://www.overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/
 
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Pete Tar

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Further explanation of how it works.
 

NoParty

Senior Member
Could we at least have someone here that doesn't believe it, to build it and post the results?
Dude, that is sooooo not possible.

Rule 1 of Overunity Club: No questioning Overunity Club!

("In short: There is no place for skepticism")

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David Coulter

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Rule 1 of Overunity Club: No questioning Overunity Club!
So we have two technologies that have been suppressed by secret cabals, QEG and "georesonance". And all of my physics professors must have been members of the cabal. Oh yea, left out the fact that there is a little widget you put in your fuel line to get 1000mpg that is suppressed by the petroleum cabal. ;)
 

Balance

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I'm not understanding what vars is specifically but according to wiki... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volt-ampere_reactive

 
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