Debunked: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG), 10kw out for 1kw in.

Soulfly

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Wouldn't it be a fair and true thing to mention that even using gravity, friction will get you in the end. ;)

Entropy always wins, eh?
Super conducting magnets could eliminate friction in many applications. Once they figure out how to make them at room temperature anyway.

Super conducting bearings anyone?
 

AB Hammer

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There isn't a motor/engine that doesn't ware out due to friction. That is an old argument in this quest. The goal is to get past and overtake the friction problem by design, then it only becomes a longevity question. Again all motors/engines ware out and have to be rebuilt or replaced. The biggest problems IMO with overunity motor systems are they tend to be so over driven. All motors have problems when pushed to their limits and die a quick death. It is like having the proper power supply and the correct wire size to deal with the load. If the wire is to small? It overheats and burns.

So lets say you get a gravity motor that runs a generator. But it has to be serviced every 1 to 2 years. That wouldn't be bad at all and well worth it. Change the lubricating oil as needed and so on. No big deal. You have to do that with a car and how long would it last, it is was ran constant 55 MPH for 1 to 2 years? Not to mention the cost of fuel.
 

AB Hammer

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Soulfly

Super conducting magnets are still a ways away for practical use. There are possible applications for magnet fields to work in place of bearings though, but will the magnetic field work with the design without causing problems has to be determined and normally are not strong enough. There are many low friction bearings out there but are to expensive to use in prototypes of concept. They would be best if gone into production.
 

Hama Neggs

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If people have a problem with a post, then report it.

Otherwise, let's stick to the topic. Here we have a video of a supposed free-energy machine, yet it's clearly only running because it's plugged in. That's really all there is to it.

So, they really can't be "true believers" if they have a secret power source still attached after they "unplug it". Afaik, it either works or they are liars- there is no in-between. There is no way to tell from the vid.
 

Hama Neggs

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Likely correct, that they are lying, but they may still be blinded by belief in free energy. There is the phenomenon of the "pious fraud": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pious_fraud

Yeah, but my point was- in this case doesn't the guy speaking have to know that when he "unplugged it", it was still connected to external power via a hidden wire?

PS: I checked your link. It speaks to the idea of minor details being overlooked in an "honest" fashion. The mind boggles.
 

Saosin29

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I think a lot of you guys are missing the boat on this one. You have to do the research to know what is going on here. They aren't claiming they have free energy. All they are saying is they have resonance. Meaning, they have the machine at a point where it's spinning and producing energy from some input. They are not getting more output yet than in during this video. So YES, it is plugged in. The team is now trying to make adjustments to create over unity. According to a recent post, they claim they have reached over unity but no video has been released yet.

It's wild how they have never yet claimed anything you guys are saying other than that they believe this machine, once tweaked, can produce over unity. A very exciting project yet people want to kill it, put it down and destroy the people for no reason. You like using fossil fuels? I sure don't.

We are much better off as a race trying to support one another and encourage each other to achieve great things, than we are to bash, put down and doubt everything we see while having little to no idea what's going on. Just doesn't make much sense.
 

Mick West

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I think a lot of you guys are missing the boat on this one. You have to do the research to know what is going on here. They aren't claiming they have free energy. All they are saying is they have resonance. Meaning, they have the machine at a point where it's spinning and producing energy from some input. They are not getting more output yet than in during this video. So YES, it is plugged in. The team is now trying to make adjustments to create over unity. According to a recent post, they claim they have reached over unity but no video has been released yet.

It's wild how they have never yet claimed anything you guys are saying other than that they believe this machine, once tweaked, can produce over unity. A very exciting project yet people want to kill it, put it down and destroy the people for no reason. You like using fossil fuels? I sure don't.

We are much better off as a race trying to support one another and encourage each other to achieve great things, than we are to bash, put down and doubt everything we see while having little to no idea what's going on. Just doesn't make much sense.

Yes, the description in the video says quite clearly that
Once the core achieves this resonance it can produce up to 10KW of power, which can then be run through an inverter to power the motor that spins the rotor. You can then unplug the motor from the original power source and the generator will power itself. This is STILL IN PROCESS, and yet to be achieved by this QEG in Aouchtam.
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However this video has been widely shared around the internet as an example of successful demonstration of some form of free energy device. My post is describing how it is not, and pointing out that it looks like a scam to get consulting fees.

I understand that in the alternative/spiritual community it is frowned upon to question anything that anyone says. I fear that this has allowed a lot of people to be accepting of wild anti-science claims, and ultimately to become victims of hoaxes like this.

The people in this video seem like a nice honest bunch, and I feel bad for them. I am not bashing their intentions. I think they have been tricked, and they are wasting time and money.
 

Pete Tar

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It's wild how they have never yet claimed anything you guys are saying other than that they believe this machine, once tweaked, can produce over unity. A very exciting project yet people want to kill it, put it down and destroy the people for no reason. You like using fossil fuels? I sure don't.
Excuse me?! I think you'll find they very explicitly stated they had achieved overunity and were able to replicate it for others, for a substantial build and consultation fee.

We are much better off as a race trying to support one another and encourage each other to achieve great things, than we are to bash, put down and doubt everything we see while having little to no idea what's going on. Just doesn't make much sense.
We are better off as a race exposing those who would take advantage of other's need and trusting nature, giving them any sort of free pass because it might be construed as negative vibes doesn't make any sense. If they had the real thing, critical analysis and skepticism would be welcomed and they would be prepared for it, instead they resort to claims of paid trolls and shills out to get them, a sure sign of fraud.
 

Mick West

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In this video they claim to have over-unity (more power out than in), but as pointed out in the comments, their math seems to be off, and of course the true test would be to have the machine self-power - not dimly illuminate some bulbs.
 

Pete Tar

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They're contstantly shifting the goal posts, delaying, while dangling claims just in front of actual confirmation.

PLEASE NOTE: The QEG is still in development with the last important step to go. While our goal was to finish in Morocco, we could not due to the expense of building a modern device in an underdeveloped country. To efficiently complete the next step – self-running – we again call on our friends and supporters to help us fund it. Thank you so very much, awesome planet-changers!
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we were able to build the QEG and achieve the overunity phase of development in Morocco! What began with a conversion of 600 Watts into the generator motor to produce approximately 2000 Watts out (see 1st overunity video here), currently James is reporting 3000 Watts (5X), and some points 4500, 9460, 13,326, even 28,000 Watts!” That’s all output with 600Watts input! (More videos to come showing these readings, as well as “How to build a QEG” videos, which can be found on HopeGirl’s youtube channel!) One of the most valuable documents that has come from the Morocco build is the QEG Test & Measurement Report.
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Building conditions in Morocco (lack of equipment, lack of access to machine parts, tremendous delays, etc.) dictate the 3rd phase of QEG development – self-running – be achieved in an area with readily available resources. After completed, James will bring the technology back to Morocco to run the pump to get water from the well there (original intent). Self-running requires a custom-designed converter to step down the energy being created in the core which makes it usable in the application that is to be hooked up to it. We have the plans, just not able to get the parts in Morocco, and have run out of time and funds to continue here at this time. (For a complete expenditures report of previous crowdfunding please go here.)
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The QEG project continues to be blessed, thanks to a very generous sponsorship offer! Our UK sponsor has agreed to buy all the parts and provide a building environment replete with equipment from one of the biggest systems development companies in the world. We will be building a 4th QEG, bring it to resonance and overunity, design the converter and reach self-running within 1 month.
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Folks, we are well on our way! Please help us ALL get there! To our knowledge this has never been done quite this way before. The end of energy tyranny is in sight and We The People are making it real! We can easily start imagining what life will be like when we are free to live off the grid: no more robbery, no more domination/control by the powers that be (were), and no more feelings of helplessness to stop the suffering on the planet.
PLEASE CLICK HERE TO MAKE A DONATION TO THE QEG CAMPAIGN
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Saosin29

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I think we need to not jump the gun so quick in that if they have consulting services that its automatically a scam. These people need to make money to survive too. Now Im not saying go pay them, I'm just saying I know HopeGirl and am close to friends who know her well, she wouldn't have any reason to deceive anyone. So either they have built a device that will never work and they are wasting their time and money, or, they believe they are into something and are releasing open source plans in order to try and help the world.

The onus is on them to prove, but there's no point in us all jumping the gun when we don't know much yet. I'm personally excited about the possibility vs just being in a state of doubt and what not.

Peace
 

Mick West

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The nonsensical thing here is the idea that they have plans for something which supposedly can demonstrate over unity, and yet they cannot replicate it.

Why does HopeGirl not provide a working demonstration? Surely the simplest explanation is that it does not work. Instead she's trying to raise $20,000 in travel expenses.
http://www.gofundme.com/Phase3QEG


For what? So they can set up a self-pumping well?
Building conditions in Morocco (lack of equipment, lack of access to machine parts, tremendous delays, etc.) dictate the 3rd phase of QEG development – self-running – be achieved in an area with readily available resources. After completed, James will bring the technology back to Morocco to run the pump to get water from the well there (original intent). Self-running requires a custom-designed converter to step down the energy being created in the core which makes it usable in the application that is to be hooked up to it. We have the plans, just not able to get the parts in Morocco, and have run out of time and funds to continue here at this time. (For a complete expenditures report of previous crowdfunding please go here.)
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That would be great, but you don't need to go to Morocco for that. Just demonstrate that it works, and the world will be irrevocably changed.
 

Saosin29

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I get where your concern in her funding is coming from. But I also think these things are a bit harder to create than the communities say at times. Replication isn't always quick. We have contact we a man in India who has a generator that creates 100KW. His is currently being replicated in Wisconsin this year and we will be going to meet with those getting it done who went and vetted his project in India. They are using all of their own money so there is nothing to doubt in that realm. But I think the point at the end of the day is based on what I have seen these devices are very real, it's just they are tricky. Everything down to the fact that the magnetics perform differently in different geological areas of the world given the electromagnetics fields in each area. These things have been suppressed for a long time and so it's a lot of work to discover it all for ones self. At the same time I think that is what the exciting part of all this is.

I have access to the QEG Morocco team dropbox files of all the videos of them making this and doing it. It's currently confidential as per their requests but they have intention of releasing it as a teaching tool for those who are going to build. All I'm suggesting is, have more of an open mind and don't be so quick to jump the gun. I think exciting things are happening here.
 

Mick West

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We have contact we a man in India who has a generator that creates 100KW.

I bet you $100 that his generator is not overunity. If he's getting 100KW out, he's putting 110KW in. More likely he's doing nothing of the sort.

But it's pointless discussing things where there's no supporting evidence. The fact remains that this has never been demonstrated in a way that is open for inspection, and there is no reason why it should not be demonstrated and inspected.

Do you want to change the world? Show the world it works. Why not?
 

Saosin29

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He claims his device is over-unity. And personally I don't think people would be spending time and money trying to create something that isn't if they claim it is.

There have been a number of devices that have worked and people have demonstrated it on video and have been open to inspection. Whether it's happened in the past or more recently. The trouble is their ideas often get shut down or bought by large companies and then patents are bought and the devices sit doing nothing. People then chalk this up as conspiracy but that's just so we can keep doubting.

A very close friend of mine did a simple conversion of boiling gasoline right before it gets to the spark plug so that fumes were burnt instead of the gas as liquid. It was 20 times more efficient and he did this with a couple friends as a university project. Just that alone was set aside by the comapnies they took it too as it would revolutionize the auto industry, would kill oil production and would drop the prices of almost everything in existence. Why? Why is it being suppressed? That's self explanatory.

There are hundreds of brilliant and well respected individuals who have see these devices first hand and have told about it. It doesn't always go over well but I do believe we are at a huge turning point in human evolution and consciousness where instead of being destructive and operating based on individual goals only, community is becoming more of a accepted concept and people are wanting to work together, clean up how we do things here and make a difference. This is the consciousness where I think these types of inventions can finally come out more easily.
Couple of videos I enjoy for whatever they are worth to who checks them out.
 

Balance

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Why would the inventor be freezing in his workshop because of "...inadquecies of kerosens heaters..."?

@9mins
 

Leifer

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He claims his device is over-unity. And personally I don't think people would be spending time and money trying to create something that isn't if they claim it is.
There have been a number of devices that have worked and people have demonstrated it on video and have been open to inspection. Whether it's happened in the past or more recently. The trouble is their ideas often get shut down or bought by large companies and then patents are bought and the devices sit doing nothing. People then chalk this up as conspiracy but that's just so we can keep doubting.
See what's in bold ?
I'm sure even you, can come up with people who claim their creation does work, but that does not work.
Can you think of any ?
 

Pete Tar

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No-one would ever argue against experimentations in improving energy generation and efficiency, people that experiment in that field are wonderful, but in this particular case there is nothing special about the QEG. It has been claimed it is a revolutionary device that will change the world, yet they haven't done the most basic of proofs, just claimed it. They claimed they had 150 hours of overunity running on a device before they went to Taiwan, which for some reason they never decided to actually use to demonstrate the concept.
Now they are getting more demands for actual measurements (and expressing some surprise that people want this), but are either incompetent in their understanding of how to measure, or deliberately exploiting general ignorance on technical details.
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    vantompat – they are not measuring it correctly, so they are saying they’ve got more output than they really have. If you go buy a 3kW generator and decide to electrically heat your house with it, and you find that it only gets as warm as 500W would give you, then you might be somewhat annoyed and take it back to the shop where you bought it and complain. By measuring the voltage peak to peak and multiplying it by the amps peak to peak, they overestimate the power out by around 8 times.

    Instead of getting annoyed with us for pointing out this error in calculation, you should be getting annoyed with the people who are not telling you the truth.

    I don’t think James himself is a scam (though I’m not so sure now) since I think he believes what he’s saying. He’s just wrong. You will be seeing more efforts to translate what they think they are getting into real-world power, and they won’t succeed because it’s not putting out that real power – they’ve calculated it wrongly. It won’t therefore self-loop and power itself. That is the reality, and it can’t be wished away.

    It’s always best to run a test yourself to prove these sorts of things. Get a standard 100W lightbulb, and switch it on, plugged into a wattmeter such as the KillAWatt that James is using – it will draw about 100Wrms. Measure the peak-to-peak voltage across it, and also the peak-to-peak amps. Use an oscilloscope to do this, as James does. Multiply the two readings together and you will get around 800W of “raw power” from that bulb – hey, it’s 8 times over unity! It’s a lot cheaper than building a QEG, and even better overunity. Now all you have to do is translate that “raw power” into real power you can use elsewhere, and that is where James and co are at at the moment. I hope you can now see where they are going wrong.

    If I’m wrong on this, and they get it running itself and a load, then I’ll happily eat as much crow as you can dish out. Whatever happened to the QEG that “got resonance” in Taiwan, and the one in Germany? Why didn’t James show that his first prototype, that ran over-unity for 150 hours all told, could power itself and a load? Why are they going on to build yet another one elsewhere, when they have at least 3 that are tested and working (you’ve seen the videos, so it has to be true)? Does this sequence of events make any sense to you if they really did have true over unity output?

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    @vantompat: How’s the water pump in that village in Morocco running, which was the reason to build the QEG there in the first place? It’s not running? How come? I’ll tell you: Because the QEG doesn’t work. It makes noises and lights up a few lightbulbs as long as it is connected to the mains, but that isn’t “working”. It is a complete failure. The bogus measurements with which the QEG people try to solicit new funds can only fool the clueless and the true believers. Calculating real power from peak-to-peak values (Simon explained the details to you already) is one of two things: utter incompetence or fraud. Take your pick.
http://revolution-green.com/open-sourced-qeg-generator-show-data/

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Leifer

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One time [in 1966] some students came over to my house with one of those magazines about automobiles-Roadrunner, or something like that. In it there was an article about a marvelous new engine which works on a new principle for getting power, and it's really quite remarkable. You don't have to buy fuel for the car; the fuel is injected into the cylinders when the engine is manufactured and lasts about six months. Then you have to bring it back to have it recharged. The engine is air-cooled and can make a car run 60 miles per hour on the freeway.

There was a picture of the engine and its inventor, Mr. Joseph Papp, who had come to the United States from Hungary. He's standing next to the engine, making measurements on it with a panel full of dials. Various people had looked at the engine and made various remarks about it in the article. Mr. Papp was going to demonstrate his engine in Los Angeles, and the students wanted me to go along with them to see it.

I told them nothing has enough power to go for six months like that, unless it's a nuclear reactor, which it surely is not. 'Fakes are always coming out,' I said, 'and the guy's probably trying to get investors to invest in his engine.'
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http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/comments/papparticle2.html
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If it works, and will change the world......send the plans to 2000 people. Tell them to prove it, and send it to 2000 more people.......repeating the viral spread. It's info would become exponential.
No entity could stop the spread of the new technology, because at least 80% would have saved the data on private memory drives.
Maybe there is a reason that has not happened ?
 

Svartbjørn

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I think a lot of you guys are missing the boat on this one. You have to do the research to know what is going on here. They aren't claiming they have free energy. All they are saying is they have resonance. Meaning, they have the machine at a point where it's spinning and producing energy from some input. They are not getting more output yet than in during this video. So YES, it is plugged in. The team is now trying to make adjustments to create over unity. According to a recent post, they claim they have reached over unity but no video has been released yet.

It's wild how they have never yet claimed anything you guys are saying other than that they believe this machine, once tweaked, can produce over unity. A very exciting project yet people want to kill it, put it down and destroy the people for no reason. You like using fossil fuels? I sure don't.

We are much better off as a race trying to support one another and encourage each other to achieve great things, than we are to bash, put down and doubt everything we see while having little to no idea what's going on. Just doesn't make much sense.

Mick and Pete pretty much hit the nail on the head @Saosin29, No one here has an issue with alternative forms of energy.. what I personally have a problem with is with what was pointed out.. people taking advantage of the urge to get off of the dependence of Fossil Fuels to turn a buck. How kind is it of one person to take advantage of another? Is that, in and of itself, not a kind of cruelty? You'll find, as you spend time here on the site, that very rarely are things just taken at face value, and that IF -evidence- comes along to prove or disprove any particular stance taken for or against a claim, its embraced.. not shunned.

My second biggest issue is that there is no such thing as "free energy.." call it Unity or Over Unity if you want.. give it any name you like, but the point is perpetual motion isnt possible.. you cant get something from nothing. If it were possible to get more energy OUT of a system than you put in, which would then feed the machine and keep it running while using the left over energy as a power source (which is exactly what they're attempting to do) then itd have been done already. If it is even -theoretically- possible to be successful, we dont have the technology to do it. Which is the issue with this whole scheme. Im all for new ways of making energy, I am -not- however, for fooling people into thinking its real and charging them huge amounts of money to help "properly" set it up (the consultation fees Mick spoke about). It isnt the project thats the problem, its the periferals AROUND it and the way its being conducted thats the problem.
 
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Mick West

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Notice something in common with the overunity generators, and the 200 mpg carburetor? After decades, all you've got is people tweaking them, trying to get them to work. And some unsubstantiated claims of them working.

Take a world perspective here. Is it really plausible that there are these simple technologies for free or cheap energy, and there are planes for it on the internet, and yet nobody can get it to work? Hundreds, maybe thousands of engineers tinkering in their garages, and it does not work? Why?
 

Pete Tar

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Although I think the GEQ claims some vague quantum field effect that also depends on positve vibes and male/female cosmic symbology as the source of power, the idea of resonance feeding back into a system to power it has a kind of poetry to it that sounds attractive. As I (no doubt *mis*) understand it the machine is powered up conventionally until the coils start to resonate in tune with each other, which in theory can be harvested back into the machine.
I wonder what the legitimate gains of this system would be, perhaps a more efficient generator?
 

Balance

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It seems HopeGirl has her own goals....

ie http://www.gofundme.com/HopeinAustralia

WHAT WILL WE BE DOING?
We already have a long list of friends and partners in Australia that have planet changing project that need our help. We want to bring on as many new projects and ideas as we can, and we want to do it in person!

What types of projects are we talking about?

Community building projects
New Energy projects
Spiritual development projects
Alternative healing projects
Environmental projects
Common Law and sovereignty projects
Alternative Finance projects

The list goes on and on! The only guideline is that these projects help the people in some way who need it most, and as always work towards Fixing our World!
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Balance

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Sorry as that was a bit of a tangent but I think it illustrates that the inventor, James, has some professional marketing backing though he himself is seeking funds to enable him to test his theory. Despite many claims, I see no concrete evidence he has achived overunity and hundreds of years of science doesn't think he will either, but more power to him for trying.

On a humourous note, I often wonder how the big-bang started and often fantasise it was a mad-scientist experiment that created some sort of energy avalanche that consumed and condensed all matter (and anti-matter?) until it reached critical-mass and exploded again. :D Maybe this is such an experiment in the waiting...
 

Mick West

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Here's a very specific claim of over-unity that goes with the video above:
http://www.allegedlydave.com/blog.htm?article_id=5
The QEG was drawing 500 watts, the secondary was still powering its 600 watt load of light bulbs and yet on the primary side we were reading nearly 2000 volts at 1 amp. If I had gone by Jamie’s furrowed expression alone I might have missed the fact that he had just achieved serious over-unity 500 Watts in and 2000 Watts out... I had to rouse him from his deep contemplation of how to reach his target of 10Kw to remind him to celebrate the fact that he had actually achieved 2.6kW... I managed to get a high five out of him before he resumed his tinkering.
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Breaking News: Hot off the press!!!
I just spoke to Jamie and he mentioned that he has now achieved 3kW output, that’ssix times over unity!
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The discussion in the youtube comments is interesting. Explaining the misunderstanding in calculating the actual power output.



user2718218
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1900 volts peak-to-peak, divided by two equals 950 volts.
950 volts times 0.7071 gives you 671.7 volts RMS
0.95 amps divided by two gives you 0.475 amps.
0.475 amps times 0.7071 gives you 0.3359 amps RMS.
671.7 Volts RMS x 0.3359 Amps RMS = 226 watts
The electric motor is drawing 655 watts of power.
Therefore the efficiency of the QEG is 226/655 x 100 = 34.5%.
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Yes, you are right, they are not overunity, at least the lamps do not shine so bright, I would expect at maximum 150 to 250 Watts all in all total , if you compare these lights to the other lights in the room..Their lights are pretty dim..
Either they can not measure correctly or they want to fool the people on and on...

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Your calculations for the RMS power are incorrect.
P = V x I = 1900 x 1 (as stated on video) = 1900 VA.
Divide by 2 and times .7071 = 671W.
This would give overunity, not by much but overunity nonetheless. At the very least it's close to unity depending on the exact values, but certainly much greater than 35% efficiency.
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user2718218


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+EsotericScience .
No, my calculations are correct. P = V x I if V and I are constants. If you have a resistive load so that the current is always in phase with the voltage, and V is now V(t), some kind of arbitrary repeating waveform, then you have to take the RMS value for the V. The power can be Vrms^2/R or Irms^2 x R or Vrms x Irms, they are all the same thing.

In addition, in looking at the clip, the light bulbs look like there is about 226 watts of power dissipation, not 671 watts. This is subjective from watching a video but if you had to pick the most likely fit, 226 watts fits what is seen in the clip.

If you are in contact with "Allegedly Known as Dave" and James and HopeGirl, this serious mistake needs to be corrected.
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They are not the same. Think about it this way. Lets consider a short time interval for which there is little change in the voltage and current, say around the peak. Lets assume for this example that V=2000V, I=1A then Power dissipated for that time interval is 500 VA. If you use your method the power for the same time interval is 2000x.353 = 707 times 1 x .353 giving 250 VA which is wrong. It's the average of the squares versus the square of the average type issue.
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user2718218


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+EsotericScience . At the peak like you are describing, the instantaneous power is 2000 watts. I don't know where you come up with "500 VA." "VA" is normally used for transformers. "RMS" means the square-root of the average of the squares.

Please do a Google search on "measuring AC power across a resistor." Click on the first link and you will be taken to a web page called "ElectronicsTutorials" and you will land in the section called "Resistors in AC Circuits." You will see that they explain exactly what I explained in a previous posting.

Dave and James really got it wrong and it's a serious serious problem that needs to be corrected.
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EsotericScience .


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+user2718218
The instantaneous power at the peak is not 2000W it is 1000Vx.5A = 500W.
You are not following my argument, the same argument as above will apply to all other intervals, if you add all the intervals to get the final power your method will give an incorrect total.

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+EsotericScience .
Okay I forgot to divide by two for the voltage and the current so I can see where you get the 500 VA, or 500 watts. Can you see a problem with your original calculation of an average 671 watts already? If the peak power over the entire waveform is 500 watts, how can you say that the average power is 671 watts? That clearly is showing you that there is something amiss with your calculation. The average power must be less than 500 watts.

Please do the Google search I suggested and read the link. About two or three screens down you will see the formulas being identical to what I originally stated.
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EsotericScience .


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Ok that's a fair enough point it can't be over 500W. I will have to rethink that.
Looks like they may indeed have a measurement problem, it's hard to be sure with the information we've been given so far.

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+EsotericScience .
Do you mean it's hard to be sure if it's a measurement "problem" or a deliberate misrepresentation? Remember, they started this whole affair with the firm and solid claim that they had.. as in "we possess now"... a working prototype. Working, in this context, means "working as claimed" which you may recall includes self-running and providing excess power. Self-running.
So I put it to you this way: It is not hard at all to be sure. They are deliberately misrepresenting the measurements as valid indications of "overunity" when they know, or at least James knows, that there is no self-runner. Their present device as shown in this video is pitifully inefficient, very far from OU and in fact, even worse performing than if they simply took another identical drive motor and used their present drive motor to drive the other motor as a generator.
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Pete Tar

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Yeah, I've been following the discussion of events as they transpire at overunity, and the one thing I've learnt is that it's a very esoteric and technically dense hobby with *lot's* of room to get lost in and be loose with interpretation and values.
Some of the arguments are over things that seem so ridiculously complex they may as well be discussing the finer points of applied magic. They're probably not, but for the average pundit asking "are we overunity yet?" you can really abuse their trust and lack of specialist knowledge.
 

Mika

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No. It's just an old scam. They just sell consulting services at $300 per hour, as you try to get the machine to work, for as long as you let them.
Could we at least have someone here that doesn't believe it, to build it and post the results?
 

Landru

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Could we at least have someone here that doesn't believe it, to build it and post the results?
They'll just say it needs tweaking and offer consulting services, at $300 per hour. But feel free to try yourself.
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member.
Someone was doing virtual builds, running simulations and posting the results, which seems like an ideal way to test these things, if the program is accurate enough. It's buried somewhere in the overunity thread, I'll have a look again.

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nup, no way to find it without reading 82 pages again, but if you have a spare few hours it's worth a read to see what the tinkerers themselves are saying about it.
Some of them did make test builds, and some just analyse according to their past experience with similar systems, but I usually can't follow what they're talking about. Needless to say free energy was not produced.
http://www.overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/
 
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Pete Tar

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Further explanation of how it works.

THE BREAKTHROUGH OF RESONANCE EXPLAINED: RAW POWER!
In the QEG, resonance is created by modulating the inductance in the core’s primary (or secondary) windings with the spinning rotor. This induces a voltage in the coils which then starts a massive electromechanical resonance, which then builds up even more high voltage through the piezoelectric effect of the mechanical resonance (vibration). This voltage can be as high as 25,000 volts (25kV), with the frequency determined by the tank capacitor value. The generator performance is then optimized to a first tuning level, where the basic power output is maximized. This is the raw power available, and we have seen as much as 20,000 VARs. This is known as Volt-Amperes Reactive, analogous to Watts but used when rating reactive AC power. The raw, reactive power must now be converted to RMS power, at 50 or 60 Hz, for the generator to run itself (self-looping) and provide power in the form useable to power your home. There is also a second level of tuning using the exciter coil, grounds, and antenna. For this step, the exciter coil is tuned to 1.3MHz, and used as a form of receiver, to bring additional energy into the QEG core from the energy that is freely available in earth’s atmosphere. Tesla would prefer to call this an accumulation of power rather than a generation of power, as the machine is accumulating energy that is already in the air around us.

The victory of resonance has already been achieved in several QEG’s around the world in the last two months since opensourcing the technology. This is demonstrated in the links below.

Resonance in Pennsylvania
Resonance in Taiwan
Resonance in Morocco
Resonance in Germany
Resonance in Orlando (video coming soon!)

To further explain what it is that you are seeing in these videos, there is a 1.5 horsepower motor that is plugged into the wall. The only purpose of this motor is to spin the rotor inside of the generator. The motor does not provide enough power or proper function to light up the light bulbs. Once the generator hits resonance (you can hear the distinctive sound) the generator is then providing electrical power which is demonstrated by lighting up the light bulbs. Don’t let its size fool you! The resonance in the generator core accumulates a tremendous amount of power as demonstrated in the QEG overunity video below. It’s enough to power your entire home.


WHY IS RESONANCE SUCH A BREAKTHROUGH?


Resonance is a way to generate or accumulate raw power that is abundant and limitless, safe, non-polluting, and does not require the control or financial enslavement of the energy industry.

Electromechanical resonance is not new. It was discovered 130 years ago by Nikola Tesla and was subsequently locked down to ensure profitability for the electric ‘utility’ companies. Although most of Tesla’s patents have since resurfaced, resonance is not utilized in any of our energy systems today and most people are not even aware of this raw power providing phenomenon….UNTIL NOW.

Thanks to the opensourcing of the QEG technology provided by FTW, and the brave souls who have embarked on this journey of re-creating and demonstrating Tesla’s concept to the public, the information is finally out and shows that we can create raw power without the control of the energy industry. Even now history is repeating itself and many are attempting to suppress Tesla’s technology by discrediting the QEG. (more to come on this in a follow up blogpost)

To clarify this breakthrough even further, below is a comparison of what it takes to generate raw power in the QEG vs. our current systems:

In the QEG you need less than 1 KW of power to run the motor that spins the rotor in the generator which then produces over 10KW of power that you could use to power your entire home. The QEG is still in co-development, but after the 3rd phase of development (now in progress!) the QEG will be able to re-route some of its output power to run the motor and therefore run itself, while providing enough additional power to run your home.

A “conventional” generator needs 15KW to produce 10KW of power. To produce these 15KW of power we rely on gas, diesel, propane, coal or other products that can be metered creating profits for the energy industry. These closed systems rape the earth and are designed to purposefully cancel out the energy flow with each spin in a motor which creates an excessive amount of wasted energy. This is why all motors run hot and you need a fan to keep them from overheating. The QEG does not do this, but rather keeps the energy flow intact and runs cool, which is radically unique in the engineering world. The poor designs of all closed systems we use today require that we excessively consume fossil fuels to generate the raw power we need for our everyday lives.

In this “Morocco has Resonance” video, you can hear the cheering voices of the people who have a deep understanding that what they are witnessing is the ability to create their own raw power without the energy industry. It is a joyful cry of freedom. Almost 80 people from 24 countries attended the Morocco QEG build that was donated and opened to the public by FTW.

It is imperative to mention that the people who showed up at the public QEG build where of the highest professional caliber: physicists, and electical engineers from several of the top leading industries. All were there to volunteer their time and talent to the mission of the project of bringing this free energy to the world.


THE BREAKTHROUGH OF QEG OVERUNITY DEMONSTRATED AND EXPLAINED


Overunity simply means to produce more energy (energy out) than it takes to make the energy (energy in). Every energy device we use today is running at extreme under-unity as exemplified by the conventional generator that requires 15KW of energy in to produce 10KW of energy out. With this being the case, a device that runs AT unity (energy out is equal to energy in) would be an accomplishment in itself, and even achieving slight over unity would be a breakthrough. In the case of the QEG, the numbers are quite impressive.

Our goal for QEG power out was 10,000 Watts. The tests show that the potential power out far exceeds this goal! The QEG in Morocco as shown in this video has been tested to produce almost 20,000 VARs energy out with 600 Watts energy in. After the output VARs are converted to Watts in the QEG 3rd phase of development, (which is a relatively simple phase) this will be equivalent to over 33 times overunity. This is a conservative rating as the input can be varied to 1,000 Watts energy in to produce 30,000 VARs energy out. There is A LOT of power in the QEG core!

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NEW!!! QEG MOROCCO SHOWING OVERUNITY IN VARs VIDEO

The following updated Morocco Test and Measurement Report shows the updated Over Unity power figures. (We had released a template report for QEG groups to use that had earlier figures before over unity was achieved, we apologize if this may have caused confusion. The new report is clearly marked “Version 2”. Once phase three is complete we will have a third updated version.)

NEW!!! UPDATED QEG TIME AND MEASUREMENT REPORT SHOWING OVER UNITY


GETTING TO THE FINAL STAGE: SELF LOOPING AND RMS POWER OUTPUT

Overunity shows that we now have up to 20,000 VARs available in the core (or more!). The next step is building and testing the ‘Transverter’ electronics that will convert the existing power to the form needed to run the motor and provide up to 10kW (conservatively) of output power. It should be noted that this has already been accomplished by WITTS in this video here:

However WITTS has not opensourced the knowledge on how to do this. James Robitaille and several engineers of the QEG America’s team are currently developing the necessary electronics.

The goal is to complete the design of the transverter electronics, utilize it to display self looping and kilowatt output, then in previous FTW fashion, opensource this addition to the world in an updated document.

There are now QEG groups in approximately 40 countries. Teams of engineers are working day and night to co-develop the QEG and bring it to the people in their communities. The result of the completed third phase development will spread very quickly to all of those who are ready to take the QEG to the next level.

http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2...ree-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/
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NoParty

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Could we at least have someone here that doesn't believe it, to build it and post the results?
Dude, that is sooooo not possible.

Rule 1 of Overunity Club: No questioning Overunity Club!

("In short: There is no place for skepticism")

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David Coulter

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...the machine is accumulating energy that is already in the air around us...
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Rule 1 of Overunity Club: No questioning Overunity Club!

So we have two technologies that have been suppressed by secret cabals, QEG and "georesonance". And all of my physics professors must have been members of the cabal. Oh yea, left out the fact that there is a little widget you put in your fuel line to get 1000mpg that is suppressed by the petroleum cabal. ;)
 

Balance

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I'm not understanding what vars is specifically but according to wiki... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volt-ampere_reactive

Reactive power (measured in vars) is present in a system containing reactive (inductive or capacitive) components and can be either produced or consumed by different load/generation elements. Though "imaginary", the reactive power has great physical significance and is essential to the operation of the electrical system as a whole. While the real power P is used to supply the energy required to perform actual work (such as running a motor), the reactive power regulates the voltage in the system.
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