The Varginha UFO

One of the things mentioned in the above video is that back then Globo showed this 1994 film. However, that was only on "Intercine", precisely on June 4, 1996, at 11 pm. "ROSWELL" has a scene which I'll explain what it's all about:
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- In a key flashback sequence tied to the crash site investigation and the mystery of the recovered material, there is a demonstration of the so-called "memory metal" or "memory foil" - a piece of debris from the alleged alien craft. A character (often depicted as Marcel himself or someone showing it to a younger person, such as his son in some recollections, though the film adapts real witness accounts) takes a flat, rectangular piece of metallic-looking material (described as resembling aluminum foil but clearly not ordinary). The person crumples or folds the piece tightly, squeezing/compressing it in their hand.

A film drama about Roswell "...that adapts real witness accounts" (i.e., makes things up for dramatic effect) isn't evidence of anything, except that the story can be exploited commercially.

The Corona/ Roswell material was from a project Mogul balloon.
Its description as "a flying disc" originates from a press release by 1st Lt. William Haut, public information officer of the 809 Bomb Group.
So much for the military always covering up anything to do with UFOs (though the Corona/ Roswell balloon doesn't seem to have generated any UFO -flying object- reports).
The "memory foil" was probably a metallized plastic, a forerunner of boPET/ Mylar.

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Brazel told the Record that the debris consisted of rubber strips, "tinfoil, paper, tape, and sticks."
...When interviewed in Fort Worth, Texas, Jesse Marcel described the wreckage as "parts of the weather device" composed of "tinfoil and broken wooden beams".
Pictures/ quote from Wikipedia, "Roswell incident" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_incident

Edited to add: There was a cover-up, of course; though described by the USAAF as a weather balloon it was soon realised that it was a Mogul balloon, the public were not told this for many years. But it was still a balloon.
 
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@Perene
Here's the google sheet with all the inconsistencies in Carlos de Souza story over the years.


Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Vfe6T2hgEt0sT8sqYMDlvGHYx3sTdz5SEpBPMFSJp7E/edit?gid=388387704#gid=388387704


It's also important to not that nobody in a 3km radius around the Maiolini farm noticed anything out of the ordinary, ever.
I was there in 2002. The region was already filled with houses, bars, a church, etc. It is literally impossible that nobody The crash, the Debris, the military operation.
 
SThe hypothesis that a secret revolutionary form of aircraft was developed, capable of accommodating four human-scale passengers, and it was decided to test fly it, over a heavily-populated area, with the malformed results of an equally secret primate experiment as passengers, makes no sense.
Developing a revolutionary aircraft only to use it to do some primate research, or to scare some random people in Brazil, isn't credible.
As with some of the sillier "explanations" of e.g. Roswell (bio-engineered Soviet "crew") there is no evidence, and both the hypothetical creatures and the hypothetical craft are wildly implausible.

You beat me to it. That was some wild-ass speculation going on with genetically modified apes flying around in cigar shaped UFOs, crashing in a farmers field, then one of them wondering over to town where it's mistaken for the Devil, then getting captured, then being taken to a regular public hospital and finally flown out of Brazil on a USAF flight. Kinda makes the MiBs look quaint.

As you mentioned, it's as fringe as Annie Jacobson's Nazi/Soviet genetically engineered munchkins. Like the claim she repeats, there is zero evidence for any of this. Of course, in this case that seems to mean it's factual and has been covered-up.
 
Can you relate how he knows "everything had to be a LIE" as opposed to "everything got increasingly far from reality as people's memories became 'tainted,' while they thought they were still honestly reporting what they think they remember?"

I am not sure if there may be a language issue at play here -- somebody can make a statement that is totally, 100% but not be lying if they believe what they are saying. "Lying" describes telling a story that you KNOW is not true. With that in mind, is your contention that people were knowingly telling untrue stories? If so, how do you know this was intentional on their part, how do you know they are not just honestly wrong?
I didn't explain that bit correctly, the "everything had to be a lie" was not what I meant (that everyone gathered and combined to tell fake stories). I was trying to say is that Ubirajara Rodrigues was at first convinced there was something worth pursuing in the Varginha case, then he became frustrated with the inconsistencies and no longer believes it amounted to something "extraordinary".

I found an article written in portuguese which mentions Carlos de Souza and the "metallic material with "shape memory", too. It's worth translating and posting for this thread, it really helps to further explain what I told before about the likelihood that someone (like Carlos) is lying (and if said person is doing for one bit of their story, it gets harder to believe the rest).

It's from the magazine "Questão de Ciência". I'm posting the full translation: (CLICK HERE). The original source (with hyperlinks) can be found here, too.
 
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I found an article written in portuguese which mentions Carlos de Souza and the "metallic material with "shape memory", too.

Ah, I think I misunderstood a point you made in an earlier post (# 198).
Is it right to say you don't think Carlos de Souza is telling the truth? The "Fantasies and Contradictions of the Varginha Case" article you linked to implies this (and I might agree).

"Metallic material with 'shape memory'" was already an established part of UFO lore, associated with Roswell as you pointed out.
Repeating a trope apparently borrowed from an earlier UFO story, which has been thoroughly debunked, doesn't add credibility.
It just makes it look like the claimant was familiar with earlier UFO claims to a much greater extent than the average person.

If de Souza followed the UFO down in his microlite, and found a military presence already there (30-40 men, two trucks, an ambulance and a helicopter) then the crashing of a UFO must have been anticipated. This seems highly unlikely, unless the Brazilian military routinely monitor and translate the communications of alien craft, or can bring down UFOs at will, to the degree that they can determine where it will land.

A group of 30-40 men, two trucks, an ambulance and a helicopter seems to be a rather lacklustre response to an expected UFO crash.
It wouldn't be a particularly impressive response to a light aircraft crash; supposing there were more than one or two casualties, or there was a fire? Why no fire tenders? What if ET has more firepower than 30-40 men with smallarms in two trucks, and doesn't want to go to a provincial hospital?

If de Souza's later claim of the military arriving 10-15 minutes later is correct, it's still a very rapid response. Maybe there was a military base nearby (within a very few miles/ km), someone sighted what was believed to be an aircraft in trouble and (e.g.) an infantry platoon and a military ambulance were sent to assist.
But on realising (or at least suspecting) the nature of the incident, it would seem sensible to establish a perimeter and await more specialised assets. Collecting debris could interfere with a forensic crash investigation, and what about possible toxic or radiological hazards? The soldiers would probably have radio contact with their superiors (certainly if a helicopter was present as part of the team).
If the troops supposedly present were a cobbled-together contingency response to a suspected aircraft crash (and they'd be much better than nothing), you'd think that they, and their immediate bosses, would understand that a crashed extraterrestrial spaceship was beyond their paygrades or competencies.
 
...the moronic explanations that were given by the military (as far as I know, the "Mudinho" was one of the reasons given by them).

Judging our reality by our current metrics/understanding (including the laws of physics) doesn't mean we automatically close our minds to the possibility of something beyond our limited imagination. By rejecting 100% the possibility of being wrong (because the situation does not fit what WE know) or something shady has happened, we are not being smart.

Funny how the most likely explanation: that the girls saw a person that matches a lot of their description and lives nearby, but got scared for some reason; is "moronic", while it is "not smart" to reject the possibility of it being something beyond our current understanding of the laws of physics. Just hilarious.

How you expect anyone to take you seriously while writing these two things just one paragraph apart from each other is beyond me.

It was beginning to pour rain, they were taking a shortcut on an unkempt lot, so probably running, and saw someone crouched in the middle of the bushes by the wall and got scared. By their own recollection from on the first time they were interviewed for Fantástico, they said they didn't stop to look at the "thing" for long, they turned away in an instant and skedaddled. By the time they reached home, that sighting had become "the devil". And the devil has horns and all sorts of strange features, so that was attached to the memory. It just makes sense.

Then Ubirajara finds them and helpfully explains to them that they had encountered what experts such as himself label "aliens", and memories get further shaped from his descriptions of greys and whatnot. Horns become bumps in their memories, and so on. It's human psychology 101.
 
Just to clarify some details that could add up when believers reistate this case, @Gaspa:

1. The rain would come hours later; the sun was blazing that afternoon.
Visibility was clear, and the sun was at their back. Weather reports state the rain would fall after 17:30, and the humidity was high.

2. Their description wasn't of a traditional Christian devil (hooves, beard, goat face, and horns).
It was a man with large red eyes and 3 "humps / bumps" in the head.
The "horns" were their initial description, but they meant bumps. There are several other interviews where they display with their hands the size/length of said feature. They've stated in months/years afterwards that they lacked the proper articulation to describe their vision properly, which is understandable given their age and background.

3. What did change with time were the illustrations based on their visage.
The very first drawing displays something similar to a man. Later representations are clearly drawn with the popular "grey alien" as a reference:
Bulbous head, enormous eyes, skinny body
 
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It wasn't raining and they knew said person. Anyone insisting it was Mudinho or a regular man instead of a creature is accepting a known lie told by the military. Of all the possibilities to explain this case, this is not even the last one I would choose, it's the only I would immediately reject. If the alien hypothesis seems unlikely (considering a thousand other complications it might entail), then pick any other theory, perhaps there's a link with those (chupa-cabras, goat-suckers, WIKI ARTICLE)?


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwJakDoNefY

I don't know why any of you would consider embracing such ridiculous and already debunked version of said story, and disregard a "biological experiment" (which failed, of course) someone wants to keep it hidden.

A "Resident Evil" plot is not on par with aliens in the realm of possibilities. What is more odd than all these I am mentioning is the fact the brazilians (and americans) would act so quickly and be so good at hiding the evidence (about that, I'll always suspect of prior knowledge, before all these events started). And the fact multiple witnesses reported, makes me SUSPICIOUS this wasn't mass-delusion. Someone has to be telling the truth. They can't be ALL lying.

You must admit to think it's all bogus may hint many people are very good liars (not just the grifters), or sadly bumbling idiots mistaking something "normal/ordinary" for what it isn't. Yeah, there are lots of those "idiots" (with very bad senses, including what they can smell, apparently) in such events... it's not possible, unless they all combined to do it.

Except for a few like that Carlos de Souza guy, which are clearly lying 100% or adding stuff it didn't happen, borrowed from the UFO lore.
 
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You must admit to think it's all bogus may hint many people are very good liars (not just the grifters), or sadly bumbling idiots mistaking something "normal/ordinary" for what it isn't. Yeah, there are lots of those "idiots" (with very bad senses, including what they can smell, apparently) in such events... it's not possible, unless they all combined to do it.
I'm sorry, if it is not too much trouble, could you say that again another way? I can't follow it at all, I suspect it is a "translation" issue, so perhaps restating it a different way will help.
 
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Just to clarify some details that could add up when believers reistate this case, @Gaspa:

1. The rain would come hours later; the sun was blazing that afternoon.
Visibility was clear, and the sun was at their back. Weather reports state the rain would fall after 17:30, and the humidity was high.

2. Their description wasn't of a traditional Christian devil (hooves, beard, goat face, and horns).
It was a man with large red eyes and 3 "humps / bumps" in the head.
The "horns" were their initial description, but they meant bumps. There are several other interviews where they display with their hands the size/length of said feature. They've stated in months/years afterwards that they lacked the proper articulation to describe their vision properly, which is understandable given their age and background.

3. What did change with time were the illustrations based on their visage.
The very first drawing displays something similar to a man. Later representations are clearly drawn with the popular "grey alien" as a reference:
Bulbous head, enormous eyes, skinny body

1. First off, citation needed. The sun might have been blazing earlier in the afternoon, but I've read in several places that they were taking the shortcut through the lot because it was already raining hard. One description found in the IPM says it was raining with lightning storms it was very windy at the time of the sighting. Even if it had not started raining yet, it could be the strong winds the precede a rain, but no sun blazing. Either way, not great for visibility. I have also read that it hailed shortly after the sighting. In one 1996 report for Revista Planeta, ufologist Claudeir Covo stated that around 17h Varginha experienced the biggest hail storm in 25 years (p26 here). So I'm not taking at face value that the sun was blazing at the time of the sighting, which is supposed to be around 15h30. It takes some time for a storm of this size to build.

And even if I'm wrong about all this, it matters more that they didn't approach the "creature" or stop to look at it, they got scared and ran away. That's something they said on the first time Fantástico aired a story about it.

2. The details in the description came later. Those were built around the memory of an experience of a glimpse, they are not accurate descriptions of what they saw. The simple fact is they arrived home telling mother that they had seen the devil. The mom even claimed to have sensed the smell of sulfur when they got back to the lot, something typically associated with the christian devil. I think it's very likely they smelled something, but the sulfur claim I think is just suggestion.

3. The only thing that remains constant in the drawings is the posture, which looks exactly like mudinho's.
 
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It wasn't raining and they knew said person. Anyone insisting it was Mudinho or a regular man instead of a creature is accepting a known lie told by the military. Of all the possibilities to explain this case, this is not even the last one I would choose, it's the only I would immediately reject. If the alien hypothesis seems unlikely (considering a thousand other complications it might entail), then pick any other theory, perhaps there's a link with those (chupa-cabras, goat-suckers, WIKI ARTICLE)?
A mundane explanation is ALWAYS going to be more probable than one that entails entities that have never been shown to exist. Perhaps it was Mudinho, perhaps not, but positing apocryphal alternatives is never going to be an answer when all they really do is raise more questions instead.
 
I'm sorry, if it is not too much trouble, could you say that again another way? I can't follow it at all, I suspect it is a "translation" issue, so perhaps restating it a different way will help.

I can tell that by "combined" he means something more like "agreed".
One of the meanings for "Combinar" in Portuguese is "to arrange" or "to agree".
 
I don't know why any of you would consider embracing such ridiculous and already debunked version of said story, and disregard a "biological experiment" (which failed, of course) someone wants to keep it hidden.
How was it debunked? By the girls saying "nuh-huh"?
 
If you are talking about those girls, they already told everyone they knew Mudinho, there are reports HE WASN'T THERE at that day and moment (so, in another location), and obviously looking at such person (that others in the same town knew) again would not trigger any fear, unless you want to tell me he was disguised as something else entirely, and also made his skin oily and different...

The next excuse you are going to give me is that it was just some dwarf couple, is that it?

Can we drop the BS explanations already? :(

If we are only going to invent shit, I prefer the Varginha case to be a Resident Evil story... :rolleyes:

The obvious answer from the military's inquiry to shut down this case would be (if we were talking about people intelligent enough to even cover their crimes) this: WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE pointing to a conspiracy, UFOs, alien creatures sent to hospitals, etc.

Instead, what do you think the geniuses (I mean the military, again) did, what was their final conclusion?

Tried to ridicule the whole thing with the worst explanation ever in a pathetic attempt to dismiss it, they claimed the creature that was crouching was that man. So only humans can behave this way? Do you mean there are no known animals that can repeat said gesture? What if it's a hidden experiment that created a foul creature, or more than one, and they escaped?

What if this was some exotic monkey with health problems? It could be many things.

Even aliens.

But the "alien" hypothesis ends up creating many other complications we don't have good answers. I'll list two: 1) How the U.S. (and/or brazilians) knew it was not humans flying the thing, and how they knew in advance they had to come here to collect all evidence?

Did this thing happen before, or they already had them and set loose?

And 2) How did these aliens found us in the first place (no tech can look at Earth from vast distances and tell there's life), and if they had not crashed, where would they go? Open up a wormhole and vanish? To hide in here? Because if it's in here, that also means aliens and humans are mixed together, and we didn't know that fact until now.

May I add a third? OK, 3) Remember there's a scene from ID4 (1996 film) that shows we are storing aliens and their tech in Area 51? Is that what we have been doing in the last decades? Why? What's the goal? Why the secrecy? Do we benefit from anything at all? Are we using all this exotic tech in any war? Or we are just flying from time to time the UFOs and scaring others?
 
then pick any other theory, perhaps there's a link with those (chupa-cabras, goat-suckers, WIKI ARTICLE)?

Did you even watch the video you posted? While its from the normally unreliable, mystery-mongering History channel, even they can't find evidence for a chupacabra. There is a believer who points out the chupacabra was first reported on the island of Purto Rico (1995) and then in Texas (2005) suggesting it migrated across the Gulf of Mexico, I guess?

But in the end, even the credulous History Channel concludes what is shown is a common raccoon or opossum that died of mange. No chupacabra.

I don't know why any of you would consider embracing such ridiculous and already debunked version of said story, and disregard a "biological experiment" (which failed, of course) someone wants to keep it hidden.

A "Resident Evil" plot is not on par with aliens in the realm of possibilities. What is more odd than all these I am mentioning is the fact the brazilians (and americans) would act so quickly and be so good at hiding the evidence (about that, I'll always suspect of prior knowledge, before all these events started).

You keep up with this failed biological experiment thing. There is absolutely no evidence for anything like that. It's pure fantasy.

Then you insist again that the US military was in on this. Again, aside from a dubious account of and air traffic controller there is no evidence of this.

Then you follow up with the idea that the Brazilian and US military are "...so good at hiding evidence", setting up an unfalsifiable situation. When anyone points out the lack of evidence for US involvement, chupacabras, failed biological experiments, aliens, crashed UFO and anything else, you just say they are "good at hiding evidence". This is just conspiratorial thinking where the lack of evidence is claimed as actual evidence. Completely backwards.

The only person you claimed was actually lying is the guy that actually claims to have seen the UFO:

Except for a few like that Carlos de Souza guy, which are clearly lying 100% or adding stuff it didn't happen, borrowed from the UFO lore.

Without his claims of a UFO, there is no UFO and no crash, therefore no alien or failed biological experiment that wandered away from a crash site. There are just 3 girls very briefly seeing a crouching devil, in an area where a crouching dude routinely crouched while having a smoke.

I get it, if the military said the sky was blue, you'd call them lairs and say the sky was red, but you're just going around in circles. Total bullshit TV about a chupacabra is now something that needs to be seriously considered?
 
If the alien hypothesis seems unlikely (considering a thousand other complications it might entail), then pick any other theory, perhaps there's a link with those (chupa-cabras, goat-suckers

That's replacing one unlikely explanation with another unlikely explanation. Lots of people have reported seeing chupacabras, just as lots of people have seen UFOs, ghosts, Yetis and sasquatches, lake monsters. But there's no good photos or footage of chupacabras, no remains have ever been found. No DNA evidence. It's a bit like saying the Kelly-Hopkinsville families didn't see aliens, and rejecting the theory they misidentified owls, but saying it's more likely they saw actual goblins.

A "Resident Evil" plot is not on par with aliens in the realm of possibilities.

There have been times and places where grotesque experiments have been performed on humans, with no regard to the subject's consent, wellbeing or dignity. Non-human primates are used in medical experimentation, although great apes probably less so now than in the recent past.
But there are no quasi-human monsters, no human-animal hybrids, no super-intelligent apes. Using Resident Evil as a comparator reminds us there are no real-world equivalents.

However, the concept of viable human-like animals or human-derived monsters resulting from medical experimentation is well-known from science fiction stories and horror films, and has been since H.G. Wells' The Island of Doctor Moreau, 1896.
(Oops, nearly overlooked Frankenstein, Or The New Prometheus, 1818).

It is a sort of trope which allows readers/ audiences, who largely no longer believe in the creatures/ beings of folklore, or in supernatural powers, to suspend disbelief and accept the possibility of present-day monsters/ intelligent animals/ superheroes and villains etc.
Mary Shelley, the young author of Frankenstein, had an extraordinarily powerful insight: At a time when educated people were increasingly aware of the importance of scientific evidence, and of increasingly widespread formal education, traditional beliefs and the monsters of folklore no longer held the terrors they once did for many. But the power of new technologies was indisputable.* Shelley realised that science and technology could be the basis for new tales of terror, new (and perhaps more believable) monsters.

As a metaphor, Frankenstein remains as valid as ever: From the industrialised horrors of World War I and II through the nuclear arms race, DDT, Thalidomide, CFCs, greenhouse gases, concerns about AI, our technologies can be dangerous. Medical research is often poorly understood, and sadly there are clear examples of unethical research involving humans post-WW2, e.g. the Tuskegee syphilis study 1932-1972 (Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study).
But Frankenstein's monster is a metaphor. The examples above are real. But humanoid mutants escaping from the crashes of revolutionary experimental aircraft are not.

It's a bit like Annie Jacobsen's "explanation" for the Roswell, 1947 events in her book Area 51: An Uncensored History of America's Top Secret Military Base, 2011 (Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_51:_An_Uncensored_History_of_America's_Top_Secret_Military_Base): Josef Stalin hired Josef Mengele to create large-headed human mutants "under five feet tall" to cause panic in America; they were flown in a remote-controlled aircraft that crashed.
Unless Mengele started working for Stalin during World War II, which (ahem) seems unlikely, he would have had 2 years to develop the mutants post-war, assuming that the Soviets identified and contacted Mengele, and he agreed to work for them- as opposed to supporting their annihilation- as soon as the war in Europe ended. Mengele was undoubtedly a cruel sociopath who maimed and murdered many in his "research", but there is no evidence that he was any sort of scientific or medical genius. He was unusually callous, not unusually gifted.
And he did all this while living in Germany under an alias, working as a farmhand (he left Germany for Argentina in 1949).
It's absurd, utterly ahistorical, and distasteful.

Extraterrestrial beings might exist, but we have no convincing testable evidence of this. Lab-created humanoid, adult human-sized creatures with the features described in some of the Varginha accounts exist only in some of the more sensationalist explanations for those accounts, not elsewhere.


*Gas lighting of public streets was starting, power looms were revolutionising the production of textiles, steam engines were coming into use in agriculture and mining. The first steam locomotives were being built. Lightning was understood to be an electrical phenomenon; Frankenstein harnesses it to animate the monster.
 
What if it's a hidden experiment that created a foul creature, or more than one, and they escaped?
I don't know, what if it was faeries? We don't know that faeries exist, or aliens, or escaped Brazilian lab mutant creatures.

We DO know that any number of mundane things exist, and we know people make mistakes in identifying mundane stuff they see/hear/smell, and make more mistakes in remembering that same stuff, especially when people with agendas regale them with leading questions.

Stuff that is known to exist is more likely the answer.
 
Remember there's a scene from ID4 (1996 film) that shows we are storing aliens and their tech in Area 51?

Can you provide a link or reference, @Perrine?
The only even marginally relevant suggestions I'm getting are for the Independence Day film franchise.
 
Can you provide a link or reference, @Perrine?
The only even marginally relevant suggestions I'm getting are for the Independence Day film franchise.
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https://www.themoviedb.org/movie/579480-independence-day-the-id4-invasion?language=en-US
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A "mockumentary" of the alien invasion during Independence Day. Barry Nolan hosts the programme, the first 9 minutes of which are a spoof news report of the events of the film. The middle bit is a discussion of the film by cast and crew, and at the end various scientists and politicians discuss what would happen if real aliens arrive on Earth.
this "movie" at 57 mins has the Barry Nolan footage... but im not sure if this is a different movie but with some of the mockumentary?

Source: https://youtu.be/oLVXe88N58U?t=3914
 
Can you provide a link or reference, @Perrine?
The only even marginally relevant suggestions I'm getting are for the Independence Day film franchise.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xngFNtzMf3s

You mean this one? All alien tech (and the aliens themselves) end up hidden by the americans. Or there's some spooky project no one knows about. It's funny how every single UFO story hints at some secret storage location where all the secrets can be found (and the Holy Grail, of course...).

But no one benefits from them, no one can prove they exist (again: images and audios will NEVER PROVE ANYTHING, they will always be considered fake), and what is more odd is that aliens apparently can travel into vast distances of the Universe (like Christopher Columbus, except the aliens are immortals and have infinite fuel, or maybe their spaceships can't ever break, too, except when they enter the Varginha airspace?) and stumble upon us (or know we are here in advance), and yet they always vanish leaving no trace (perhaps by opening a portal?). Or they could be all here and regular humans could be aliens, too... who knows? :rolleyes:

It's either the military or the aliens among us that are very good at "hiding the truth". There is always a secret in the absence of tangible evidence. What amazes me is that there's not a few, instead we have a high number of "witnesses" that need to have their 5 senses and heads studied, that corroborate such "tales". Sadly, it's all hearsay and anecdotal evidence, not enough to persuade a skeptic.

The only thing I'm certain of, to borrow a quote from Honoré de Balzac and adapt to this thread:

- Behind every great alien and UFO story, there is a crime committed by the U.S. military.

At least that, we must all admit, is undeniable. ;)
 
Can you provide a link or reference, @Perrine?
The only even marginally relevant suggestions I'm getting are for the Independence Day film franchise.
It appears Independence Day was in fact from 1996 and it was referred to as ID4. Perrine seems to often use FICTIONAL films and media to convey things he may, or may not, believe to be true. Honestly I can't quite tell, but it seems ANYTHING but a miss-identification by the 3 girls is not only fair game, but infinitely more likely.

EDIT: @deirdre found a behind the scenes mocumentary about Independence Day called ID4. It's all still irrelevant as it's all FICTIONAL.
 
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