The Varginha UFO

RTM

Member
I was browsing Skeptoid during the week and read about the Varginha UFO in Brazil, going by that article it seemed to be a typical overblown case.
https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4853

Then today we have this tweet from someone in the UFO community (I think Mick may have interviewed him last year) about an upcoming story and video.
Source: https://twitter.com/PostDisclosure/status/1585304013167546368?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet


Has anyone else heard of anything significant about this case? It's a big contrast to have something that is supposedly easily explained to now having a video.
 

JMartJr

Senior Member
Dont get too excited... there is such a thing as easily explained video. Looking at you, Navy.

But yeah, I'm also seeing "coming soon" posts on some boards. Usually accompanied by an exceedingly silly fake still picture that may be from a low budget documentary about the incident.

I guess if/when it gets released, we'll see what they got.
 

Mendel

Senior Member.
I was browsing Skeptoid during the week and read about the Varginha UFO in Brazil, going by that article it seemed to be a typical overblown case.
https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4853
The three young women, aged 14, 16, and 22, saw the creature during a blustery rainstorm. The younger two were sisters who ran home and sent their mother to go see; the mother reported nothing but a smell of ammonia. Even though the winds were reported to be quite strong, the UFOlogists still attributed that smell to the creature the girls had seen.

Once this was reported in the local news as an alien, two farmers — a married couple — reported that they'd watched a UFO hovering over their field several days earlier. This was reported as well, and that's when people started taking account of just about anything unusual they'd seen over those days. Some of the most commonly retold events are that a convoy of military trucks went roaring through town; a pair of short alien beings were seen being treated at a local hospital; and also at the same hospital, mysterious trucks delivered a large amount of mechanical equipment or parts, as well as a body in a body bag.

Brazilian UFOlogists wrote and spoke a lot about the incident, but the government itself took no notice. At least, they didn't until the death of a military police officer, Marco Eli Cherese. Only 23 years old, he died some weeks after the incident. It was said that no cause of death could be determined, but that unidentifiable toxins were found in his body. It is reported that after having handled the body of the alien, he became infected with some disease and succumbed to it. Investigators later wanted to exhume his body for study, but were refused by a judge for reasons of national security. With this final straw, public outcry for the truth about the aliens was such that the military opened an official investigation into the reports.

At last the military investigation released its report, called an IPM for Military Police Inquiry. It was 357 pages and managed to track down the original cause of each of the many events reported — none of which had anything to do with each other, and none of which involved aliens or crashed flying saucers.

Time and time again, from the Roswell non-event of 1947 to the Phoenix Lights of 1997, we see UFO stories explained with verified facts down to the last detail with all the evidence presented, yet there are still true believers who scoff at that, dismiss it as fake evidence that proves a coverup conspiracy, and insist upon their preferred "alien visitation" explanation with no evidence at all.
Content from External Source
 

Mendel

Senior Member.
Has anyone else heard of anything significant about this case?
From your skeptoid article:
The 2022 documentary Moment of Contact interviews a number of the people who were involved, and presents it as a true case of alien visitation.
Content from External Source
IMDB list the US release date as October 18th, 2022. Maybe it got delayed?
 

Stingray

New Member
From your skeptoid article:
The 2022 documentary Moment of Contact interviews a number of the people who were involved, and presents it as a true case of alien visitation.
Content from External Source
IMDB list the US release date as October 18th, 2022. Maybe it got delayed?
The movie is available for purchase on Amazon Prime. I've watched it, it's witness testimony (a lot of different ones), but no actual footage / pictures of alleged UFO nor creatures.
 

Duke

Active Member
From your skeptoid article:
The 2022 documentary Moment of Contact interviews a number of the people who were involved, and presents it as a true case of alien visitation.
Content from External Source
IMDB list the US release date as October 18th, 2022. Maybe it got delayed?
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/10/19/where-to-watch-moment-of-contact-documentary-on-streaming/

From the article:

It was released digitally on Tuesday, October 18th 2022 in the United States and it’s ready to purchase on Amazon for $14.99 (standard definition), whereas the HD is $19.99.

It’s also available to UK viewers on Amazon Video and costs £8.99 (standard definition) or £9.99 (HD). Alternatively, it’s on Vimeo to buy for £19.98.
 

RTM

Member
Thanks for the replies. I took the tweet above to indicate some video evidence, yet whatever evidence is out there currently seems to be very flimsy. I guess I'm just perplexed at the confidence in this and shouldn't be surprised at the quality control, or lack thereof, in the ET hypothesis group.
 
Thanks for the replies. I took the tweet above to indicate some video evidence, yet whatever evidence is out there currently seems to be very flimsy. I guess I'm just perplexed at the confidence in this and shouldn't be surprised at the quality control, or lack thereof, in the ET hypothesis group.

This story is nothing new to almost everyone here in my country (Brasil), it's just because of James Fox's "Moment of Contact" premiere that it regained traction. And also because now a video footage & photos were added to sound like a groundbreaking new episode to this almost two decades old, long wore out story of Alien creatures w/ their spacecraft crashed in the city of Varginha.

Therefore, whether the existence of that footage is a true fact or not doesn't actually matter at all, since the responsible for releasing it to the press, Mr. Vitorio Pacaccini, stated a couple days ago that he's waiting authorisation from the Military for releasing the footage to the press. Therefore, I suggest to the people who advocate for the veracity of this story to take a very good and long sit to more comfortably wait for the footage (err, better saying, the miserable 45 second video!) to be released to the public.

Anyway, maybe it's worth of note checking out the anatomical description of those "ETs de Varginha" given by the physician and UFO researcher Dr. Roger Leir to Art Bell (2004-08-29). The actual fact though is that he got that medical testimony from a Brasilian doctor at the Humanitas hospital, who agreed to meet with Leir for an interview:

Source: https://youtu.be/lIWk9ZGXxts

But, on the other hand, its also suspiciously interesting to note the very strong resemblance of these "ETs de Varginha" with those described as "Nazcar Mumies" from another old story that curiously also recently regained traction throughout the UFO Community thanks to an tweet by Robert Salas:


ADDED 07/20/22: Robert Salas on Twitter tweeted the following youtube video titled [English translation] “A MUMMY OF NAZCA FROM THE INSIDE – FIRST , recorded in Spanish. It appears to show the inside of one of the mummies, which they conclude bolsters the authenticity of the mummies. Following is a Google translation of the summary:
Thanks to the Channel of @Yosef ben Leví NEW CONSCIENCE we were able to access images of the interior of one of the small #Mummies of Nazca that came to the hands of an anonymous researcher, due to being poorly transported, the small and fragile body it broke. Inside, it has been possible to find structures of the neck and, in addition, numerous necrophagous insect larvae that found a habitat rich in nutrients, perhaps because there was a delay in the desiccation process. It is unfortunate that these valuable bodies are leaving Peru due to the inaction of the #Ministry of Culture, however the fortuitousness of what happened brings the advantage of showing the interior of one of these beings and will allow new independent investigations.
Content from External Source
https://liveyourlight.wordpress.com...of-the-nazca-mummies-deserves-a-fair-hearing/

EDIT:
In the first five to ten minutes of the video that I posted there's a bit more detailed description of the anatomy of those supposed Aliens found in the city of Varginha, Brasil.
 
Last edited:

deirdre

Senior Member.
Anyway, maybe it's worth of note checking out the anatomical description of those "ETs de Varginha" given by the physician and UFO researcher Dr. Roger Leir to Art Bell (2004-08-29).
why dont you just tell us, instead of making us watch an hour long video?
 

Stingray

New Member
Mr. Vitorio Pacaccini, stated a couple days ago that he's waiting authorisation from the Military for releasing the footage to the press.
I believe I watched the same interview you watched, he mentioned there are 2 films:
The first one is with the military, longer length, higher quality.
The other one is shorter, and is in the hands of civilians.

Pacaccini said that the military would gauge the reaction of the public to seeing the civilian film, then determine whether they release theirs or not.

James C. Fox (Moment of Contact producer/director) said today that $200K was offered for the civilian footage:

james.PNG

Link to thread: Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ye3rq4/this_is_james_fox_im_a_filmmaker_and_ufologist/
 
I believe I watched the same interview you watched, he mentioned there are 2 films:
The first one is with the military, longer length, higher quality.
The other one is shorter, and is in the hands of civilians.

Pacaccini said that the military would gauge the reaction of the public to seeing the civilian film, then determine whether they release theirs or not.

James C. Fox (Moment of Contact producer/director) said today that $200K was offered for the civilian footage:

Right on, that was the interview. Now that you mentioned it, I'll try to find it out on YouTube, in order to post it here.
 

Duke

Active Member
Twenty bucks!!? That currently buys me a 1.75 of Tanqueray at Costco (it's a 2fer sale). And for a rehash of an old case. I'll stick to the Sceptoid episode and a G&T.
I'm a Paddy guy myself, but point taken.

The economics of things like this fascinate me. I suppose, in the long run, they make money, otherwise they wouldn't be producted. It a niche market, however. The average family isn't going to sit down with a big bowl of popcorn and watch it on family movie night.
 

Ann K

Senior Member.
@Rick Robson
How does one define "the UFO community" to which the speaker refers in the video? Would it be too harsh to call them unskeptical true believers, or gullible conspiracy theorists? There would seem to be an overlap of those categories, but one thing I don't see is any rigorous examination that might belie their deep conviction in interstellar aviation and alien creatures.
 

Max Phalange

Active Member
I'm a Paddy guy myself, but point taken.

The economics of things like this fascinate me. I suppose, in the long run, they make money, otherwise they wouldn't be producted. It a niche market, however. The average family isn't going to sit down with a big bowl of popcorn and watch it on family movie night.
Fox is a true believer though, his motive is proselytising, not profiteering. Although I guess the studio would like to turn a buck.
 

Duke

Active Member
Fox is a true believer though, his motive is proselytising, not profiteering. Although I guess the studio would like to turn a buck.
He might be a true believer, but he has to eat. Unless he's independently wealthy, he has to make a living. My guess is he's incorporated and pays himself a salary.

Might be interesting to contact him as a potential investor in a future documentary and ask for the fiscal lowdown on previous projects. Ok if I use your name?:cool:
 
Last edited:
@Rick Robson
How does one define "the UFO community" to which the speaker refers in the video? Would it be too harsh to call them unskeptical true believers, or gullible conspiracy theorists? There would seem to be an overlap of those categories, but one thing I don't see is any rigorous examination that might belie their deep conviction in interstellar aviation and alien creatures.

Good question. I think not even the Ufologists are unanimous about the right answer to it. And, in fact, FYI I never belonged in any of the UFO communities nor ever participated in any of them.
 
Last edited:

Duke

Active Member
The three young women, aged 14, 16, and 22, saw the creature during a blustery rainstorm. The younger two were sisters who ran home and sent their mother to go see; the mother reported nothing but a smell of ammonia. Even though the winds were reported to be quite strong, the UFOlogists still attributed that smell to the creature the girls had seen.
Content from External Source
No mention what time this part of the saga occurred, but sounds like a story a couple underage sisters might concoct if they were out later than allowed and/or somewhere they shouldn't have been.
 
Last edited:

NorCal Dave

Senior Member.
No mention what time this part of the saga occurred, but sounds like a story a couple underage sisters might concoct if they were out later than allowed and/or somewhere they shouldn't have been.
The link in the OP gives a pretty good overall of the incident and what was made of it. While Skeptoid episodes are short, ~10 minutes or so, @Brian Dunning does a good job of explaining things like this, at least superficially. One can always dig deeper.
 

yoshy

Member
For those who have followed the UFO (and conspiracy community at large) over the years, we know that "coming soon" usually never materializes into anything interesting. Expecting the same here.
 
I believe I watched the same interview you watched, he mentioned there are 2 films:
The first one is with the military, longer length, higher quality.
The other one is shorter, and is in the hands of civilians.

Pacaccini said that the military would gauge the reaction of the public to seeing the civilian film, then determine whether they release theirs or not.

I could find only an excerpt of the interview we referred to, but anyway it contains the main highlights of what concerns Pacaccini's statements about the releasing of those two footages, and it has subtitles in English. The highlights are in the timestamp that ranges from 1:41 up to the end of this video (5:06 mins.):

Source: https://youtu.be/34_IP_IiTnI


"The photos and videos that are in Military hands, I was already informed, and I agree, it has a whole Military strategy. .... so there is an agreement."

"Whether or not they will disclose, it will be the Military medium that will release it, ... what is in their hands we already know since 2012 ... the Military will decide, these great warriors of ours will decide when will be the time for them to bring to the public if they understand that will be the case. That's the deal I made with them."

" ... I already told them I will do the exhibition of the civil stuff whenever they allow it, but this material is already in our hands, let's say to be revealed 26 years ago."

"So I would say, this material exists, in civilian hands, this one we are working to bring to the public. Now the military, gentlemen, it's absolutely screaming, it's definitive, and much more sharp and much more better done, and of longer duration than that civil one, because the civil one was taken inside the hospitals, ..."
 

Scaramanga

Member
I was browsing Skeptoid during the week and read about the Varginha UFO in Brazil, going by that article it seemed to be a typical overblown case.
https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4853

Then today we have this tweet from someone in the UFO community (I think Mick may have interviewed him last year) about an upcoming story and video.
Source: https://twitter.com/PostDisclosure/status/1585304013167546368?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet


Has anyone else heard of anything significant about this case? It's a big contrast to have something that is supposedly easily explained to now having a video.

Apparently James Fox has claimed that something big was due to occur prior to end of October. At least that's what the well known 'UFO Jesus' says on his web site. But I can recall similar 'something big' claims from James Fox where nothing happened. In fact I find it all rather tiresome the way supposed UFO disclosure is strung out like some 50s ' don't miss next week's exciting installment' sci-fi show.
 

RTM

Member
Apparently James Fox has claimed that something big was due to occur prior to end of October. At least that's what the well known 'UFO Jesus' says on his web site. But I can recall similar 'something big' claims from James Fox where nothing happened. In fact I find it all rather tiresome the way supposed UFO disclosure is strung out like some 50s ' don't miss next week's exciting installment' sci-fi show.

That's kind of what I don't get, these days everything is all over social media and as the saying goes "the internet is forever": but yet it persists and people keep coming back for more.
 

Lawrens

New Member
That's kind of what I don't get, these days everything is all over social media and as the saying goes "the internet is forever": but yet it persists and people keep coming back for more.

It's what the kids on the internet called "Hopium", similar to people buying lottery tickets each week for a super small chance of winning, these kind of things put people in a better mood because there's something for them to look forward to, so they keep going back for more.
 
Top