The Varginha UFO

Oh, and the awful smell could not have come from a human being (based on the descriptions).
Two thoughts occur:

A smell need not be coming from the thing you are looking at while smelling it.

and

You may have been more fortunate than I gave been, in not being around some surprisingly stinky people. In addition to the variety of smells we can produce on our own, we can of course get any number if stinky substances on ourselves.
 
A smell need not be coming from the thing you are looking at while smelling it
The location was an abandoned lot, a place where you would expect people to relieve themselves (probably mostly men urinating on the wall), and where dead creatures such as rats, cats, birds, and other small animals might be found, releasing one of the most pungent smells known to man, especially in the heat. The rain later that day would probably wash most of it away.
 
All this talk about how flawed the human memory, perception, etc. are is BS and nonsense, because it assumes our experience in 100% of cases need to be discarded
Human memory isn't "flawed", and I don't think anyone is claiming such a thing. What actual memory science shows (decades of research, Elizabeth Loftus and others) is that memory isn't a video recording—it doesn't passively store events like a tape or camera for perfect playback. It's reconstructive: we rebuild the scene each time we recall it, pulling from fragments, expectations, emotions, and sometimes later information. That's not a bug; it's how the system evolved to help us survive and make sense of the world. The result? Memories can be vivid, confident, and mostly accurate… yet still contain real distortions without anyone lying or being "flawed." Dismissing that basic fact doesn't make unreliable reports more reliable—it just ignores how brains actually work.
 
What is unlikely is that a human was what they saw.
From their own words, your quote:
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To me, looking at it, it wasn't something normal. But it had arms, legs, a head. "We couldn't really make out details".
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/the-varginha-ufo.12725/post-363788

You cannot quote that and then place all your faith on the "details" they couldn't make out.

Next followed the stunning non sequitur:
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"Wasn't it a human being?" (the reporter asks)
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"No. It wasn't, because it looked at us."
Unless something major is lost in translation, I have no idea what she meant by that.
 
- Oh, and the awful smell could not have come from a human being (based on the descriptions).
you only think that because you never experienced my brother's sneakers when he took them off. <sounds like im joking, but i'm not. nearby skunk is the only thing ive experienced that even comes close.
 
Unless something major is lost in translation, I have no idea what she meant by that.
The translation is very close, this is the full quote:

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(00:30 - 00:38) Valquíria - Pra mim, olhando assim, nao era ummm...uma coisa normal, não. Mas tinha braço, perna, cabeça. Mas não deu pra gente reparar detalhes, não.
(00:38 - 00:39) Repórter - Não era um ser humano?!
(00:39 - 00:47) Valquíria - Não, não era porque...éééé...deu de olhar pra gente, mas nisso eu não conseguia mais correr e ficava parada, mas eu nao via mais nada.
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(00:30 - 00:38) Valquiria - To me, looking this way¹, it was not aaa...a normal thing, no. But it had arm, leg, head. But it was not possible for us to make out details, no.
(00:38 - 00:39) Reporter - It wasn't a human being?!²
(00:39 - 00:47) Valquiria - No, it wasn't because...uumm...it decided to look at us³, but then I couldn't run anymore and remained still, but I couldn't see anything else.

¹ - It's an expression, not literary looking. It's similar to "in hindsight", but much closer to "from this angle" when pondering a past event.
² - The reporter makes a statement, cutting to the chase to present a conclusion based on Valquiria's description. However, it's implied as a question, seeking her confirmation that the conclusion is correct.
³ - She used a local expression that can either mean "taking offense at being looked at", usually said in a scornful tone; or a softer "took a look". She uses the latter, but with a concerned tone to mark there was an unexpected change in behaviour.

Dynamic equivalence:

(00:30 - 00:38) Valkyrie - In my opinion it was unnatural. But it had arms, legs, head. However, we couldn't make out more details.
(00:38 - 00:39) Reporter - It wasn't a human being?!
(00:39 - 00:47) Valkyrie - No, it wasn't, as it took a look at us. I was paralysed with fear, my mind went blank.

The bottom line is that, for Valkyrie, the gaze confirmed her gut feeling that it was something unfamiliar.
 
...that mud was covering Mudinho's body (what evidence led to this conclusion? Why isn't @John J. pointing out we have nothing to back that theory, besides our imagination? No witness to say he did that once in his life?

Absolutely, I have no evidence for this whatsoever. But people can get muddy, and people with severe learning disabilities might sometimes be more prone to "odd" play/ behaviour than adults without learning disabilities, and might be less aware of their personal appearance.

I don't think the idea that Luis (or at least his hair) was smeared in mud or other gunk, and that this was a major factor in the girls' account, is particularly likely, but it might be a possibility.
The girls seeing and misidentifying a monkey or ape is also a possibility, and equally "we have nothing to back that theory, besides our imagination", but that theory also requires misperception, I think.

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The chacma baboon is perhaps the longest species of monkey, with an adult body length of 50 to 115 cm (20 to 45 in) and tail length of 45 to 84 cm (18 to 33 in). ...the chacma baboon appears to be the largest extant monkey.
Wikipedia, Chacma baboon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chacma_baboon
It must be unlikely that an abandoned lot was devoid of depth/ scale cues.

If the girls were accurately reporting what was objectively there, and it was a baboon, they didn't notice the tail or the very pronounced muzzle, an obvious and striking feature of adult baboons. The girls reported bumps on the head, but not a muzzle/ snout.
The traits to analyze (not considering the rest, which include bulging red eyes, stuff that looked like horns, hands/legs different, brown skin) are:

– Two holes where the nose should be
– A very small mouth
Nothing like a baboon.

All this talk about how flawed the human memory, perception, etc. are is BS and nonsense, because it assumes our experience in 100% of cases need to be discarded

No-one here has claimed all human memory and perception is flawed, or anything close to that.
But perception can be imperfect or misleading, that's why we have the word "misperception". Equally, recall can be imperfect.
This isn't contentious or some new finding. It isn't BS.

some members are going to say is that we have definitive proof no chimeras or biological experiments existed in history

We can't prove a negative. But we can try to make informed judgements about unlikely claims and theories.

"Chimera" has different meanings in science, medicine and in popular understanding of that term. Chimerism exists in humans where cells from different genotype embryos fuse in utero; the resulting individual has tissues of two genotypes, Wikipedia, Human chimera.
Xenotransplantation, the introduction of cells, organs or other tissue from one species to another- has been done, though rejection is a huge problem. The use of animal bone (treated to kill living cells) in humans, xenografting, is a known technique. Research into using e.g. genetically modified pig organs for human recipients appears to be ongoing. The fact that this research is ongoing- it is not a mature technology- strongly indicates that the technology/ techniques required to create a viable human-animal hybrid, surviving for some years, has not been reached.

Popular use of "chimera" tends to mean a cross-species hybrid with clearly visible traits from two or more species.
This is what we are thinking about if discussing chimeras in the context of the Varginha sighting.
No human-animal chimeras, in this use of the term, exist in the scientific literature,* and there is no other real-world evidence for them.

If the three women saw a person or other primate of approximately human adult size, it would have to be several years old**, so not only was a viable human-animal chimera created in the 1980s or early 90s, presumably by well-resourced researchers with world-leading abilities, it was raised over several years in complete secrecy. With no evidence. And then allowed to escape into Varginha.

What we know about genetics, reproductive technologies and related fields (e.g. cloning) rules out a human-animal chimera in the 1980s or 1990s, and probably now. It must be vastly unlikely that the leading talents in these fields are actually unknown figures working in a shadow world of illicit research, years or decades ahead of their mainstream peers working in well-funded laboratories. How was the genius of the rogue researchers recognised, before they became known for their abilities? How were they recruited? Where are they now? It is a conspiracy theory.


*With the important exception of sapiens/ neanderthalensis hybridisation, made possible by the very similar genotypes of those two groups of humans. Genetic evidence for this is strong and some fossil remains have anatomical features that might be evidence of sapiens-neanderthalensis hybridisation. Modern cross-species hybrids exist between different species that are genetically very close, usually sharing a recent common ancestor, e.g. amongst different equines (zonkeys etc.) big cats (tigons, ligers etc.)

**Unless we invoke the even more unlikely concept of scientists developing a way of producing "adult" creatures in a short span of time, common in science fiction (and of course a major feature in Shelley's Frankenstein).
 
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The traits to analyze (not considering the rest, which include bulging red eyes, stuff that looked like horns, hands/legs different, brown skin) are:

– Two holes where the nose should be
– A very small mouth
– A thin, long, dark (black) tongue
– A strong ammonia-like body odor
– A buzzing or humming sound produced through the mouth
Dang I keep coming back to these guys... not a 100% match, but it hits a lot of points reasonably well.
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Great horned owl sounds:
Source: https://youtu.be/pvaIyjyw5gs?t=165




Regarding the aroma, it may be worth noting that:
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Great Horned Owls eat almost anything that moves, and will even eat carrion if need be. .... A partial list of food items they have been documented eating includes: hares, rabbits, mice, coots, and ducks (these are generally staples of their diet); skunks, ground squirrels, rats, muskrats, tree and flying squirrels, woodchucks, prairie dogs, raccoons, house cats, very small dogs, porcupines, voles, kangaroo rats, pocket gophers, moles, opossums, chipmunks, shrews, bats, bobcat, weasels, geese, herons, loons, mergansers, grebes, rails, pigeons, starlings, other owls up to and including Great Horned Owls, Osprey, crow, raven, hawks, pheasant, bobwhite, Rhinocerus Auklet, chickens, grouse, shorebirds, gulls, egrets, bitterns, woodcocks, doves, woodpeckers, songbirds, lizards, snakes, frogs, toads, salamanders, worms, crayfish, insects, centipedes, scorpions, suckers, chubs, perch, bluegills, sunfish, catfish, bullheads, and eels.
Source: https://www.internationalowlcenter.org/ghofacts.html
(Emphases added to note the possibillity of stinky prey which might account for the smell... -- JM)

Edit to add: I find references to a strong ammonia smell associated with the "whitewash" (combining the function of faeces and urine) of other owls, my Google-skills cannot find a specific mention of ammonia smell an Great Horne Owls, as the fact that they eat skunks means their "whitewash"often reeks of skunk musk. I would expect an ammonia smell in the whitewash of Great Horned Owls that were not eating skunks, but cannot fin a specific source so am just mentioning the possibility in passing...

Range of great horned owls:
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Source: https://chintiminiwildlife.org/raptor-ambassadors/great-horned-owl/great-horned-owls/

Of course, based on witness statements about what was perceived by frightened witnesses years ago, it is not possible that we will ever be certain of what they saw. But there certainly seem to be plenty of candidates that could account for the sighting, and since that is the case there is no nee to postulate extraordinary explanations unknown to science.
 
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Dang I keep coming back to these guys.
There's one in my (heavily wooded) back yard right now. I've had them nearly every year, but for the last three the barred owls have taken over instead. This year the great horned owls are back again. Seldom seen, but often heard.
 
On 22nd May 2023, James Fox posted on Twitter that a photo of a C-17 Globemaster III at a Brazilian airport could be evidence of US military involvement in retrieving the supposed UFO wreck and its occupants:

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source: https://x.com/jamescfox/status/1660661008086495233
source: https://www.instagram.com/p/Csq5GZpMkXo/

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James Fox - This could be the USAF plane that flew into Campinas without authorization from Brazilian Government. I will put the translation below in the thread. If anyone has info on this please message me! I have a former USAF guy helping but we need a clearer picture for tail numbers.

Translation of the text beneath the photo:
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A C-17 landed in Campinas the next day without notifying air traffic controllers. Inside was a Blackhawk. Some time later the helicopter returned and a lorry brought a "wrapped object". A morgue van also arrived. Putting two and two together
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The photo in question was originally given to ufologist Edison Boaventura, who claimed to have received it in 1996, and included it in his book: "Varginha ETs. Assembling the puzzle!".

Book covers for the 1st and 2nd editions:

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Edison told about the photo on several podcasts, including the Only Aliens Podcast episode "Tudo Sobre o Caso Varginha" (All About Varginha Case):

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(04:05 - 04:15) Interviewer - Edison, I saw on Twitter, James Fox asking, and other people asking for a photo of the aircraft that you got, of some aircraft on that day, an original photo. Which photo is it, and what aircraft is it, Edison?

(04:15 - 04:21) Edison Boaventura - Look, it's a C-17 that landed at Viracopos airport.
(...)
(04:29 - 04:39) Edison Boaventura - I received this photo in '96. At that time because the airport staff found it highly unusual. It's not every day that a C-17 lands there.
(04:38 - 04:40) Interviewer - Can I take a photo of it?
(04:40 - 04:44) Edison Boaventura - Sure, but you cannot pass it on to James Fox.
(...)
(05:26 - 05:36) Edison Boaventura - The C-17 arrived on 20th January '96.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f96G3AUkoFc&t=245s

However, the photograph in question has been thoroughly debunked by Gigito from YouTube channel VHS Break. The investigation revealed that the photo actually depicts a C-17 delivering three Bell UH-1H "Huey" helicopters to the Brazilian Air Force (FAB) at Manaus Eduardo Gomes airport (MAO), not Viracopos airport (VCP) in Campinas.

Furthermore, the delivery happened no earlier than 20th January 1997, exactly one year after the three girls made the news. Consequently, the claim that this photograph is evidence of USAF involvement in Varginha is also entirely false.

The photo in question:
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On the far right of the photo above, there is a "triangle" painted on a hangar. This is actually a stylised letter "A", which was the official symbol of the Amazonas State Government at the time. Therefore, the claim that the airport is VCP is false. It is the cargo terminal (TECA) at MAO airport in northern Brazil.
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The photo was taken from an elevated position behind the control tower at TECA MAO:
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source: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@-3.0320027,-60.0413372,852a,35y,180h

The three Bell UH-1H "Huey" helicopters that were part of a documented transfer are partially visible behind the C-17:

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U.S. Army Bell UH-1H-BF Iroquois "Huey" for comparison:
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souce: https://www.facebook.com/groups/209907549158960/posts/2667911823358508/

A quick check on the website helis.com (https://www.helis.com/database/sqd/Esquadrao-Pantera/) for the list of delivered helicopters to the 5th Squadron / 8th Aviation Group Panther in Brazil (5º/8º GAv Esquadrão Pantera), shows that only three UH-1H "Huey" helicopters were delivered by C-17. Several others were delivered by C-5 Galaxy instead.

From helis.com website linked above, the following U.S. Army Bell UH-1H Iroquois "Huey" helicopters were delivered to Brazil via C-17, no earlier than 20th January 1997:

Tail No. 73-21662 (became FAB 8685):

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source: https://www.helis.com/database/cn/3411/

Tail No. 74-22329 (became FAB 8694):

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source: https://www.helis.com/database/cn/2728/

Tail No. 74-21788 (became FAB 8686):

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source: https://www.helis.com/database/cn/3410/

Gigito, from VHS Break YouTube channel, shows the process of investigating the photo:


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO3TnftDfzU


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUl4QU_AcGo

FAB footage of the decommissioning of the last UH-1H Iroquois in 2018, more than 20 years after the transfer:


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06RkKG1IBFI
Source: https://issuu.com/livrobasm50anos/docs/basm_50_anos_-_livro_s/s/13725784
 
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What ever language it's in :) I'd be keen to know what's said in it.
So if anyone has seen it , I'd appreciate knowing the highlights
 
Would love to know if this group has a "better" explanation for what might have happened in Varginha in 1996?

I watched the film (more than I can say for most people commenting in here, but oh well). In my analysis, something clearly happened that day:

Military activity, aircraft crash landing, swift cleanup, 'something' in a body bag photographed and x-ray'd at the local hospital.

Multiple sightings of an unrecognizable creature. (The 3 girls testimonies, the ex-soldier who witnessed the autopsy). Suprising amount of overlap in their descriptions of the creature's features--> Red oily skin, hoove-like toe structure, lingering ammonia/sulfuric odor...

Not to mention, a soldier, Marco Eli Cherese died after making contact with whatever this 'something' is.

Family pressured to bury quickly. Autopsy incomplete and held for ransom with numerous pages missing...

His one friend who witnessed the event won't talk on camera. The shear number of people interviewed anonymously because they were threatened or told to keep quiet about what they saw... I find that strange.

I don't buy the "mass hysteria" claims, nor do I think it's an appropriate description for what happened all those years ago.

I would love to see this group put forward a hypothesis. If a better explanation exists, I would be delighted to hear it.

Until then, the general attitude I am sensing from this discussion reads more as ignorance and dogmatism than true skepticism...

Any challengers?
 
I would love to see this group put forward a hypothesis. If a better explanation exists, I would be delighted to hear it.

Until then, the general attitude I am sensing from this discussion reads more as ignorance and dogmatism than true skepticism...
This objection is, in principle, always valid and important. Many so‑called 'skeptics' simply pull out the same old drawers of their rigid and not entirely undogmatic framework. One must always remain critical — first and foremost toward oneself.

But you're playing a little game here, and it's unlikely to work. Why should anyone here jump through hoops for you? You're coming across a bit undercomplex. It would be your task, in your opening, to lay out which critical points you believe have not been sufficiently addressed, or where exactly this 'group' is, in your view, wrong and precisely for what reasons.

Everything that could or wanted to be said by the users has obviously been said. Now it's your turn to present a basis for a new discussion — and it should be clear that you may only treat established facts as such, rather than building speculation into the narrative. There has to be a solid, mutually acceptable foundation. Now you're up.
 
The shear number of people interviewed anonymously because they were threatened or told to keep quiet about what they saw... I find that strange.
What is the number? 12? 4? 163? 0? I honestly do not know, but if the number strikes you as significant, you may know what it is! Please share, and cite sources.

Is it even possible to know how many people were threatened or instructed to keep quiet? If they are going around saying they were told to keep quiet, they're not keeping all the quiet! And of course people CLAIMING they were told to keep quiet does not prove that they were in fact told this. For example, it would also be a handy way for somebody who didn't experience anything to imply they know something or saw something, and so are part of the "in" crowd, without having to make up a convincing story!

People can claim anything. Which is why cases that are essentially nothing but hearsay and witness statements have so little value, though they can be the most entertaining -- because people can say anything!

This has the feel of the sort of embellishment that creeps in as a low-evidence case based on claims people make ages into UFO folklore. It sounds mysterious and important but it may or may not be true. I could be very wrong about that, maybe you have the goods to back it up. If so, please share, then people can do what we do here, and prod and poke at it to see if it holds up or not!
 
Military activity, aircraft crash landing, swift cleanup, 'something' in a body bag photographed and x-ray'd at the local hospital.

Multiple sightings of an unrecognizable creature. (The 3 girls testimonies, the ex-soldier who witnessed the autopsy). Suprising amount of overlap in their descriptions of the creature's features--> Red oily skin, hoove-like toe structure, lingering ammonia/sulfuric odor...

Not to mention, a soldier, Marco Eli Cherese died after making contact with whatever this 'something' is.

Family pressured to bury quickly. Autopsy incomplete and held for ransom with numerous pages missing...

His one friend who witnessed the event won't talk on camera. The shear number of people interviewed anonymously because they were threatened or told to keep quiet about what they saw... I find that strange.

I don't buy the "mass hysteria" claims, nor do I think it's an appropriate description for what happened all those years ago.

I would love to see this group put forward a hypothesis. If a better explanation exists, I would be delighted to hear it.

Until then, the general attitude I am sensing from this discussion reads more as ignorance and dogmatism than true skepticism...

Any challengers?
Varginha is a typical case in which ufologists connect dots between events that are unrelated until proven otherwise; are biased toward the extraordinary claim, and tend to believe any account they come across that might corroborate their bias and the story they are constructing. They also consider any accounts that deny anything extraordinary happened as evidence that it actually did happen.

You want a single alternative explanation for the entire "case"; however, this is not possible because in reality everything is disconnected until proven otherwise. Instead, each claim has to be examined independently. Once that is done, all that is left is an initial sighting that most likely has a mundane explanation distorted by a combination of pareidolia, panic and bias.

These are most of the main dots being connected by the ufologists:
  1. The three girls saw something that confused them, 7 metres away;
  2. The mother of two of the girls noticed a foul smell after the fact and a footprint at the general location where the sighting occurred;
  3. A creature was supposedly captured by firefighters after kids had thrown rocks at it;
  4. Another creature was supposedly captured by Chereze;
  5. Chereze was given an award for participating in the capture;
  6. Another creature was supposedly captured by the military after shots were heard;
  7. A couple of farmers claim to have seen a floating cylindrical object billowing steam for 40 minutes, 2 metres off the ground on their farm;
  8. A man claims to have witnessed the farmers' object crashing, driven to the scene, and collected material similar to Roswell debris;
  9. Another witness claims to have seen a cylindrical craft landing behind a hill, far from Varginha;
  10. Some people from surrounding towns claim they saw creatures matching the description in the newspapers, although some had fur. A Ufologists claim there were about a dozen sightings;
  11. Military vehicles were seen driving around town;
  12. Military vehicles were seen at a hospital;
  13. Military helicopters were flying around and landed in a field;
  14. A soldier claims to have participated in a capture;
  15. Another soldier, or soldiers, claim they witnessed the autopsy and the creature in a coffin;
  16. A military officer claims a couple with dwarfism was at the hospital and that a deformed baby was born;
  17. Chereze dies from an infection;
  18. Chereze's driver refuses to speak;
  19. A creature is supposedly seen at the zoo;
  20. Several animals died in the zoo;
  21. The zoo director blames the creature seen earlier;
  22. A doctor claims to have interacted with the creature;
  23. A person claims to have seen the creature at a research centre in Campinas;
  24. An air traffic controller claims there was an unauthorised airspace incursion by a USAF aircraft;
  25. An anonymous witness claims USAF aircraft and/or helicopters were loaded with the creatures in Campinas;
  26. An anonymous witness claims there were high-ranking officers and politicians at Campinas, and that the lab was locked down;
  27. A ufologist claims a Brazilian astronaut was given an opportunity to visit the ISS in exchange for the bodies and debris;
  28. A ufologist claims a photo of a C-17 is proof the airspace was violated and that the creatures and debris were taken to the US;
  29. A ufologist claims photos of military vehicles and helicopters in Varginha were from the day of the incident;
  30. Several anonymous witnesses and people claiming to being threatened are reported by the ufologists.
If you keep in mind that all the dots above are independent and unrelated until proven otherwise, it becomes easier to understand how the ufologists end up stitching together their extraordinary stories.

About the claims:
  1. The youngest of the girls said the creature she saw was human or human-like. The most religious of the girls claimed it was a demon. She also said she's used to having visions. All three girls inadvertently adjusted their stories by talking to each other and comparing their interpretations before they were interviewed. The ufologists told them it was an alien being. A squatting person partially fits the description, not necessarily Mudinho;
  2. Abandoned land is notorious for bad smells due to dead animals, and people using it as a toilet. Some people taking the shortcut through the abandoned land are likely to stop at the same general location to urinate, leaving overlapping footprints that might seem unusual depending on the observer's bias;
  3. The firefighters deny capturing any creatures, and there's no record of it in the documents obtained through a FOIA request. The renumbering in the documentation is explained as a clerical error, as mentioned by the firefighter who was questioned about it;
  4. Chereze never said he captured a creature. That claim comes from Pacaccini feeding Chereze's sister with the ufologists' narrative. Chereze also worked as a taxi driver as a second job, which allowed him to stay on top of the gossip around town. At the time, the gossip related to the girl's sighting. According to his sister, what Chereze said was that "the alien story was going to blow up", nothing more. It is unclear whether he said that based on his work as a P2 officer or as a taxi driver, though the latter seems more likely;
  5. Chereze's award is unrelated to the ufologists' claim that he captured an alien being, until proven otherwise;
  6. There is no evidence of any shooting or creature captured. A soldier (Saulo) who claimed to have participated in the capture was exposed as not even being a recruit that year;
  7. It is unclear what the farmer couple (Oralina de Freitas and Eurico de Freitas) might have seen, but it is unrelated to the girls' sighting until proven otherwise. The ufologists claim the creatures bailed out and hid in the forests along the river, in local caves, and eventually hiked to Varginha. This is not corroborated by the couple. If creatures bailed out, why would they hike to a main city when they were relatively safe in the woods and caves of the countryside, with plenty of farmland empty of witnesses, suitable for the landing of a rescue spacecraft?
  8. The person making the Roswell-like debris claim (Carlos de Souza) is considered an unreliable source by several ufologists who investigated Varginha at the time. They were even surprised that James Fox took his account seriously. The supposed crash site was visited, and there's no evidence there;
  9. The farmer indicated the supposed landing site outside Varginha, and there is nothing there;
  10. People came forward claiming they had seen similar-looking creatures after reading about it in the news. The girls said the drawings in the newspapers did not closely match what they saw. One of the girls said the three lumps were actually three depressions. The presence of fur suggests that the additional sightings, if true, involved local fauna, but ufologists are not deterred and instead claim it was a variant of the alien species, even when features such as long spinal spikes are mentioned. For the ufologists, any unusual claim of sighting around that time and location must have originated from the farmers' floating object, and must be directly related to the girls' sighting;
  11. Military vehicles drive around town all the time because of the nearby base. The military explained the vehicles were heading to a dealership for maintenance and provided evidence;
  12. Military vehicles at the hospital are not unexpected if there had been a training accident, which is not uncommon and is usually kept secret to avoid damaging the army's image;
  13. Military helicopters routinely fly around. They were only noticed because of the bias that something unusual was happening at that time. There is no evidence they landed in a field anywhere, and even so, it would still be unrelated to the events until proven otherwise;
  14. The soldier who claimed to have participated in the capture (Saulo), tried to provide photographic evidence, but it actually showed he was not a recruit that year. He also failed to produce his military ID, suspiciously claiming he had either misplaced or lost it;
  15. Another soldier who made the same claim, recently admitted he was paid by a ufologist, so he decided to confirm the story in exchange for money;
  16. The military officer knew about local gossip that a woman with dwarfism had given birth at the hospital, and gave a confusing account. This story was told by a doctor at the hospital and may be true. It was published in the local newspapers before the military officer mentioned it. The doctor who claims to have interacted with the creature (Ítalo Venturelli), also claimed he operated on a deformed child or baby before seeing the alleged alien footage, not necessarily the baby born to the woman with dwarfism.;
  17. Chereze had more than one infection. The armpit infection was caused by resistant bacteria that was identified and is commonly found in dogs and cats. Possibly contracted in the hospital due to a botched furuncle surgery, as it was particularly virulent, and the forensic doctor (Armando Fortunato filho) mentioned hospital infection when discussing Chereze's cause of death. The military doctor who operated on Chereze was even investigated for possible malpractice. The surgery left a scar in Chereze's armpit that ufologists claim was caused by the creature. The other infection Chereze had was in the lungs, from a completely different strain of bacteria, possibly also hospital-acquired. He ultimately died from the lung infection, according to the post-mortem conclusion, though he was in the process of developing septicaemia at the time;
  18. Refusing to speak doesn't mean someone has something to hide. It is more likely that Chereze's driver (Eric Lopes) is distancing himself and shielding his family from the circus surrounding this case;
  19. It was dark at the zoo's party house, and a Barn Owl fits the description of her sighting;
  20. The animals that died at the zoo were examined, and the conclusion for some of them may be compatible with poisoning. For the others, the cause remains unknown because no samples were taken. What the vets found unusual was that the animals belonging to different species, located at different parts of the zoo, fed different food, shared an unknown cause of death as the only common factor. It must be said that the date of the deaths does not match the period of the sighting. Again, the ufologists are connecting dots and ignoring evidence that does not corroborate their bias. Zoo animals die all the time, sometimes several at once and the cause is not always known;
  21. The zoo director is the one claiming it was aliens, not the veterinarians;
  22. The doctor is considered unreliable because his story has grown each time he's been questioned (from initially denying it, to later "admitting" he watched footage, to interacting with the creature, to seeing just stitches on its forehead, to an operation to install a relief valve, to knowing the doctor who operated or stitched the creature but oddly never discussing the matter with him, to claiming the three lumps were semi-translucid and the skin was pale). Even James Fox and his supporters became visibly concerned during the doctor's interview after the conference;
  23. The witness claims he stepped on his friend's shoulder to look through a lab window. The friend has never come forward to confirm or deny the story. As with many other "witnesses", the Varginha story was already very well known before they came forward, which is a red flag;
  24. There is no evidence of USAF aircraft violating Brazilian airspace, but even if true, it would not mean the aircraft was there to collect bodies and spacecraft debris. USAF aircraft visit the country every year, and a local red tape error is more likely than USAF failing to file an international flight plan;
  25. There is no evidence of any USAF aircraft in Campinas at the time, much less of one being loaded with any creatures;
  26. There is no evidence of a gathering of generals and politicians at the institution, but even if there had been one, it would not mean they were there necessarily because of an alien body. Military personnel and officials are expected to visit the institution from time to time. Also, there is no evidence that underground labs were cordoned off;
  27. There is no evidence of an astronaut trip in exchange for debris and bodies. It appears to be another example of the ufologists' tendency to connect the dots, jump to conclusions and make unsubstantiated claims. Another ufologist who was investigating Varginha at the time (Ubirajara), denies the incident ever took place and argues it was entirely the product of bias, poor investigative methods, and excessive dot-connecting by the ufologists involved;
  28. The claim the C-17 photo is proof USAF aircraft was in Campinas at the time has been debunked, see post #253;
  29. The claim that photos of military vehicles and helicopters were taken at the time of the incident have also been debunked, as they were taken in the 80's. And two photos are from the end of 1996 or later, one of them undeniably tampered with by the author of the photo;
  30. Allegedly anonymous witnesses and people claiming to have been threatened is highly problematic, because it is impossible to examine their claims without confirming their identities, or even knowing whether they are real people. Furthermore, any threats could just as easily have come from the military wanting to avoid damage to the army's image, or from rival ufologists trying to monopolise the investigation, rather than from any effort to conceal ET.
To keep this post short, I'm not providing here the evidence for the explanations detailed above, except for item 28. If you would like to explore any of them in more detail, just ask about specific dots and I will publish the supporting evidence.
 
Would love to know if this group has a "better" explanation for what might have happened in Varginha in 1996?

I watched the film

The film is not an impartial, unbiased investigation. Like many other UFO-related films, It takes it as axiomatic that something extraordinary happened. Claims are taken as evidence without consideration of more likely alternatives.
You will be able to find films that present the events at Corona/ Roswell, 1947, as something mysterious and unexplained, complete with claimed witnesses testimony and tales of recovered extraterrestrials and autopsies. They are bunk.

Military activity
Largely based on the presence of Policia Militar?
The Brazilian Policia Militar is the major visible public policing organisation in most parts of Brazil, and was in 1994- perhaps more so.
It's a bit like seeing Gendarmerie vehicles in a provincial French town and assuming that something extraordinary is happening.
An increased policing presence can be due to other things than UFO crashes. Brazil had a military junta at the time, and the PM had a role in enforcing government power; in some areas the presence of PM units may have caused anxiety, at least amongst some people.

aircraft crash landing
Carlos de Souza's account of following a damaged spaceship down in his microlight might be unlikely. The speed of the claimed army (not local PM IIRC) response might imply it was known where the UFO would crash; again this seems unlikely.
Carlos de Souza claimed these events happened some days before the girls'/ young women's sighting, but he reported it some time after their account was widely known. The "swift cleanup", the whole thing, rests entirely on de Souza's claims, which seem to have changed over time.

There isn't a single collaborating witness, all these years later, yet supposedly there were quite a few soldiers there.
If an alien spacecraft crashed in 1996, there is absolutely no evidence. The military government did not capitalise on it in any way, e.g. taking credit on the international stage, using it as a reason to call for national unity/ support for the armed forces in the light of a possible threat, or simply to distract from their human rights abuses- the sort of things we might expect a dictatorship to do.
Nothing of scientific value has been published as a result. There are no new technologies, materials or scientific theories that can be linked plausibly in any way to a crash of an alien spacecraft in Brazil in 1996, or anywhere/ anywhen else.

(The 3 girls testimonies, the ex-soldier who witnessed the autopsy). Suprising amount of overlap in their descriptions of the creature's features
The autopsy claimant could have known of the girl's description. It was widely publicized.
Autopsies are rarely conducted in places where a passer-by might inadvertently see them. The Brazilian military would have had sufficient numbers of trusted career NCOs / "elite" troops to provide security for a sensitive asset without involving "ordinary" soldiers or conscripts.

Not to mention, a soldier, Marco Eli Cherese died after making contact with whatever this 'something' is.

Policia Militar corporal Marco Eli Chereze's autopsy report (post #90) concludes that he died of septicaemia caused by Staphylococcus schleiferi.
The presence of S. schleiferi was established by histology. It is likely it was a hospital-acquired infection; Chereze had had a minor surgical procedure to remove a cyst.
Chereze didn't say he saw or interacted with anything unusual AFAIK. Claims that he did lack evidence.

S. schleiferi was only first described in 1988, Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staphylococcus_schleiferi but it has since been found to be fairly common in domestic pets in Brazil.
Some strains are methicillin resistant, which might have been the source of overblown claims of the organism having unusual defence mechanisms;
External Quote:
The most isolated species, among methicillin resistant coagulase negative Staphylococci, was S. schleiferi subsp. schleiferi.
"Dogs as reservoir of methicillin resistant coagulase negative staphylococci strains – A possible neglected risk", Izabel Mello Teixeira, Eliane de Oliveira Ferreira, Bruno de Araújo Penna, 2019, Microbial Pathogenesis 135 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S088240101930703X.

Some further discussion in post #95: S. schleiferi has been found to be reasonably common in animals in Brazil, some strains are antibiotic resistant, infections in humans occur and can be fatal but might have been under-reported, recent surgical procedures are a risk factor.

It isn't likely that an alien astronaut would carry S. schleiferi. Unless it had a pet dog/ cat/ worked at a monkey sanctuary. And was capable of hosting terrestrial bacteria. And despite having star-faring technology, took no precautions to protect itself in an alien biosphere. Maybe it couldn't resist stroking our furry friends.

We have recently been reminded (the disappearance of William Neil McCasland etc. etc.) that some "UFO investigators" and conspiracy theorists are prepared to weave the misfortune of others into their narratives, regardless of evidence and irrespective of any distress to relatives.

This is what I think might have happened:
Three girls/ young women were startled / frightened by seeing something or someone that they weren't expecting.
We don't know how objectively accurate their description was.
They said they had seen the devil; later UFO "researchers" told them it was an alien, and they agreed.
Of course the UFO researchers weren't there, and they don't really know what aliens might look like, but they believe that an alien is more likely than Satan; perhaps the young women thought the opinions of these maybe better-educated people, "experts", was more plausible.

The story quickly spread.
Other people not involved in any way with this sighting made different claims and linked them to the sighting. Some of those claims seem improbable and lack any supporting evidence, they are anecdotes from people saying we should believe them and (it is implied) their accounts are more believable because they happened around the time of the girl's sighting. (All were reported after the original sighting was publicized).
Some of these claims might result from misunderstandings/ misperceptions, others are probably deliberate falsehoods.

There is no testable evidence of anything else.

We have seen a similar pattern post-Corona/ Roswell; claims made (sometimes many years) after the event are accepted as true, or at least possibly true, by UFO enthusiasts. The fact that a prosaic explanation adequately explains the original events, and so the subsequent claims (autopsies etc.) make no sense, is ignored.
Some people reported seeing UFOs similar to George Adamski's scout ship (which we have photos of) and met Venusians; we know the scout ship was a hoax. The later witnesses did not see it. And there aren't blonde tanned people on Venus.
 
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