Skyderalert mobile app and "LOOK UP" - New Documentary

Skyder ALERT

New Member
<<Because it might be needed in the future, or some other country might try to do it.>>
wait- you are confusing me..- do you believe that geo engineering is a real thing?

 

Met Watch

Moderator
<<Because it might be needed in the future, or some other country might try to do it.>>
wait- you are confusing me..- do you believe that geo engineering is a real thing?


Skyder, why do you believe because universities study this stuff, that it must mean it is happening? These studies talk about the potential effect of geoengineering, if it was actually to occur. None of these studies state or attempt to state that this stuff is actually happening.
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
<<Because it might be needed in the future, or some other country might try to do it.>>
wait- you are confusing me..- do you believe that geo engineering is a real thing?


In the same way that manned missions to the moons of Jupiter are a real thing, yes. They are things that are scientifically feasible, that we (or someone) might do at some point in the future, but there's zero evidence that anyone is currently doing it.
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
do you believe that a project of such magnitude can have so much research behind it without experimentation?

Yes. You can do a lot with simulation, and basic lab experiments. Eventually field experiments of some kind will be needed if deployment is ever seriously considered as an option.

Look at all the research that you mention. None of it is field experiments, is it?
 

Skyder ALERT

New Member
persistent contrails being different that "regular" contrails, and the aerosol uses described in the reports especially from the IPCC, indicate that yes. it is in use.
 

Met Watch

Moderator
persistent contrails being different that "regular" contrails, and the aerosol uses described in the reports especially from the IPCC, indicate that yes. it is in use.

No, persistent contrails are not geoengineering. They are a natural phenomenon. Skyder, please try and read around this forum and contrailscience.com, because you're bringing up points that have already been debunked.
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
persistent contrails being different that "regular" contrails, and the aerosol uses described in the reports especially from the IPCC, indicate that yes. it is in use.

What aerosol uses?

And why does persistent contrails mean it's been in use, when contrails have ALWAYS persisted if the conditions are right.
 

Belfrey

Senior Member.
persistent contrails being different that "regular" contrails, and the aerosol uses described in the reports especially from the IPCC, indicate that yes. it is in use.

Perhaps you should define what you mean by geo-engineering. Consider for example the definition given by Wikipedia: "the deliberate and large-scale intervention in the Earth’s climatic system with the aim of reducing global warming."

Persistent contrails are not deliberate; they're a consequence of engine exhaust interacting with certain atmospheric conditions. And they probably don't reduce global warming; most recent research on the topic suggests they have a slight net warming effect.
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
I think skyderalert has been kept away from factual information about ordinary contrails. Skyder, you have most probably been told that "contrails dissipate in minutes, chemtrails persist". Now that you have come here, look at the sticky threads, read the site, ask any questions you like and you can clearly see that what you were told was false.

Now, how does that make you feel, that Alex Jones and the other "chemtrail" sites set you up to write this app for them?

How does it make you feel, that they told you geoengineering was taking place when the data shows it is not?
How does it make you feel that you have been conned by lies of omission into conning others to harrass their representatives?

Now, right here, tell us what yo are going to do about what you have learned, will you stand up for the truth, or will you try to save face and continue to aid this false information to be propagated. Ask yourself if folks sending their representatives photos of persistent contrails really accomplishes anything, or does it risk a backlash by the representatives, who will look into it and determine that someone is trying to con them?

Isn't skyderalert just a cell phone app that allows users to be modern day versions of 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf'? To show those representatives their constituents are easily conned into believing a hoax?

Who benefits by that? Think about it......

When is one of you people going to stand up and call BS on the myths you have been told and are passing along? When will one of you get the guts to stand up for what is right?
 
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HappyMonday

Moderator
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no- you said the app is about chemtrails..not me. the app is to enable people to communicate concerns over geo engineering, and persistent contrail creation is a stated method of implementation. It is intended to raise awareness to the term geo engineering, and communicate that voters are aware of the issue and concerned about the negative health consequences of it.

This POWERFUL NEW Documentary explores GeoEngineering, SRM, Solar radiation Management, Weather Modification and "chemtrails" and introduces to the public to new way to protest and petition this dangerous initiative by using the all new mobile app SkyderALERT. Put an end to this potentially catastrophic program.
Content from External Source

http://www.skyderalert.com/



For clarity, please define what your website means by the term 'chemtrails'.



 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
This POWERFUL NEW Documentary explores GeoEngineering, SRM, Solar radiation Management, Weather Modification and "chemtrails" and introduces to the public to new way to protest and petition this dangerous initiative by using the all new mobile app SkyderALERT. Put an end to this potentially catastrophic program.
Content from External Source

http://www.skyderalert.com/

For clarity, please define what your website means by the term 'chemtrails'.


It sounds to me like George really doesn't know very much about the subject. I've looked at his site and it is very badly done.

Here is some background on who we are dealing with here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=rz...ge&q=take 2 productions george barnes&f=false

Here is his "science" page:
http://www.skyderalert.com/research/index/
Our belief is in scientific research... We urge you to review the following documentation and make your own decisions:
Published works for your consideration:
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
Skyder ALERT;51156i said:
wish you were right. plus, it sure would end the concerns over governance issues published in multiple peer reviews... i mean why would harvard, the IPCC and so many other respected publications spend their time on something that doesn't exist?

George knows exactly what and why the scientists are studying geoengineering. He posts a complete document which states:

The authors conclude that "a global governance agreement for geoengineering is essential before any practical geoengineering system is deployed".

"It is clear that reducing greenhouse gases emissions is the first, most fundamental, and most essential element of reducing harms from climate change," says Edward Parson, a law professor and co-director of the Emmett Center on Climate Change and the Environment at the University of California, Los Angeles.

"Geoengineering is at best a partial or second choice."

In another paper, published in Science (14 March), Parson and David Keith, a physicist at Harvard University, argue for internationally coordinated and transparent research on geoengineering.

"In our paper we do not advocate geoengineering," Parson says. "Instead we advocate research into geoengineering so the capability is available and tested. Recognising that geoengineering may cause harm, and that it cannot reverse all effects of climate change, does not negate the value of having the capability available."
http://www.scidev.net/global/earth-...row-over-effects-of-solar-geoengineering.html
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
It sounds to me like George really doesn't know very much about the subject. I've looked at his site and it is very badly done.

Here is some background on who we are dealing with here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=rz...ge&q=take 2 productions george barnes&f=false
To be fair though, that was about him ten years ago.


Mostly good science. Just not meaning what he thinks it means.
 

FreiZeitGeist

Senior Member.
Mostly good science. Just not meaning what he thinks it means.

Maybe he should start to differentiate the Stratosphere (where all these GeoEngineering-Ideas took place) from the Troposphere (where Aircrafts are flying and produce contrails)
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
I think George Barnes can see the weakness in what he is saying, and I really hope he can come back here and support his claims or change them. Sooner or later he and all the others will have to answer the exact same questions/objections/debunks that we can present. Doing it here might be good practice for him, before he enters a more major venue.

If he heads out into the public eye with what he has said here so far he can expect far worse, and eventually it will all catch up to him. The deeper you go into lies, the tighter the chains bind you, one begets another and he might find himself in so deep with this 501c charitable corporation that folks will go after him personally for misleading them.

Come on back, George. You have much to learn and nothing to lose.
 

Landru

Moderator
Staff member
persistent contrails being different that "regular" contrails, and the aerosol uses described in the reports especially from the IPCC, indicate that yes. it is in use.

Skyder, I notice on your website that you claim 501(c) status and you have a donate button that could lead some people to believe the donations to be tax deductible. I checked at http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Exempt-Organizations-Select-Check and your organization is not a tax deductible one. Will you make that clear on your website to prevent any confusion?

Thanks,
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
Skyder, I notice on your website that you claim 501(c) status

Hmm. There is a section of the US Code which deals with these organizations, but they are usually listed under a subsection of that law as 501(C)(3)(4) up to (28) etc. George Barnes doesn't claim a subsection either at his website or on his Twitter postings, even though he is selling his app and soliciting donations. Nowhere is it stated what the name of this organization is.

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Ordinarily, a corporation is formed and an Employee Identification Number issued by the IRS before you can claim non-profit status.
Here are the onerous steps for forming a non-profit:
http://www.wikihow.com/Start-a-501c3-Nonprofit-Organization

If he actually has this status, he needs to clear this up. Considering the effort he would have gone through to create the app and incorporate as a non-profit, he certainly didn't spend an equivalent amount of time and effort checking out the idea of "chemtrails". Too bad.
 

Ross Marsden

Senior Member.
This POWERFUL NEW Documentary explores GeoEngineering, SRM, Solar radiation Management, Weather Modification and "chemtrails" and introduces to the public to new way to protest and petition this dangerous initiative by using the all new mobile app SkyderALERT. Put an end to this potentially catastrophic program.
Content from External Source

http://www.skyderalert.com/
For clarity, please define what your website means by the term 'chemtrails'.

We have still to hear from George what he means by 'chemtrails' in that exchange, and on the SkyderALERT web site.

In the Petition on the SkyderALERT site there is no mention of chemtrails at all, 'persistent contrails' seems to be used there as a synonym.
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
Skyder, I notice on your website that you claim 501(c) status and you have a donate button that could lead some people to believe the donations to be tax deductible. I checked at http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Exempt-Organizations-Select-Check and your organization is not a tax deductible one. Will you make that clear on your website to prevent any confusion?

Thanks,

Landru,
Your question is very pertinent, since non-profit organizations who are NOT eligible to accept tax deductiblecontributions must by law:

Internal Revenue Service said:
must disclose, in any fundraising solicitation (see below), in "an express statement (in a conspicuous and easily recognizable format)" that contributions to the organization are not deductible for federal income tax purposes as charitable contributions. This provision applies to organizations that are not eligible to receive deductible charitable contributions and are described in either section 501(c), section 501(d), or section 527.

Even if Skyderalert is eligible to receive tax deductible contributions, in the interest of full disclosure which Skyderalert proposes for the government, in it's fundraising Skyder Alert should make such full disclosure of it's own affairs in reciprocation. However, when I contacted them through their Facebook page
they have thus far not been responsive:

skyderalert3.JPG

https://www.facebook.com/SkyderALERT/posts/293215717481864
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
Further searching of the Skyder Alert website yielded a statement that they claim to be a 501(c)(4) organization:

Skyderalert said:
Skyderalert.com Inc, is a 501(c)(4) organization that primarily focuses on nonpartisan education and advocacy on important national issues. Please see the Financial Donations section, below, for more information about donations.
http://www.skyderalert.com/policy/
and this:

Skyderalert said:
We do not share the information you’ve given us with unaffiliated groups without your explicit permission. We may share some of your personal information with the following affiliated groups:

Skyanalysis.org Political, our sister organization;

Affiliated Third Parties – for example, our database administrators or organizations that provide extra organizers at an urgent time – for the sole purpose of helping Us do our work. These groups do not share your personal information or use it for any purpose other than as instructed by Us.

Third Party Administrators, such as organizations we engage to facilitate large distribution of messages.

So, it is the policy of Skyderalert to share any user information with multiple parties, persons, and organizations not described in any detail.

Hmmmm....
 

Skyder ALERT

New Member
uh.. is this the guy you are relying on your information from?
QUACKWATCH.COM¼S BARRETT SUEDDr. Hulda Clark, publisher of alternative health books, filed a $10
million lawsuit against Stephen Barrett, operator of the
controversial www.quackwatch.com, July 23. The Quackwatch site¼s
self-proclaimed "purpose is to combat health-related frauds, myths,
fads and fallacies. The legal action claims that Barrett and a number
of his constituents have engaged in "mail fraud, wire fraud, perjury,
stalking, terrorist threats, illegal lobbying, Internet spam, invasion
of privacy and Web site tampering," among others.
 

Cairenn

Senior Member.
WHAT does Quackwatch have to do with your IRS status?

Quite frankly, I fully support Quackwatch. I have followed up on several of their stories and they were correct. I know the scammers and cheats don't like them, so WHAT ?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quackwatch


http://www.quackwatch.com/14Legal/dd_suit.html

Status of the Suit
The suit complaint contained 11 counts. In January 2011, I asked the court to dismiss it for failure to plead the allegations necessary to support the elements of of the complaint. In judging an early motion to dismiss, the court must accept as true any factual allegations in the complaint. The judge denied the request for an injunction; dismissed four counts and part of a fifth; and ruled that discovery court proceed until June 2012, a date subsequently extended for three more months. After that, we can ask the court for another ruling based on evidence rather than mere claims. Since the suit is unfounded, I believe the rest of the suit will be dismissed soon afterward. Unfortunately, the work involved in defending the case is quite time-consuming and will have considerable cost.
The Bottom Line

Very few people provide the type of information I do. One reason for this is the fear of being sued. Knowledgeable observers believe that Doctor's Data is trying to intimidate me and perhaps to discourage others from making similar criticisms. However, I have a right to express well-reasoned opinions and will continue to do so. If you would like to help with the cost of my defense, please follow the instructions on our donations page.

This article was revised on July 26, 2012.
Content from External Source

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Barrett


Is the case still in court?
 

JFDee

Senior Member.
uh.. is this the guy you are relying on your information from?

Your post does not seem to make sense in this discussion. To be honest, it looks like a distraction attempt to me.

Did you read the information about persistant contrails? Do you still think they are created intentionally and differ substantially from short-lived trails?

If so, can you tell us what you think are the best pieces of evidence for your theory?
 

FreiZeitGeist

Senior Member.
uh.. is this the guy you are relying on your information from?
QUACKWATCH.COM¼S BARRETT SUEDDr. Hulda Clark

It is not the point WHERE an information comes from.
The information itself and if it is proofable rigth or wrong, THat is the Point!

You´re convey a Hair-test by this "Quacky-Company". Because you believe, that every Aluminium found in the human body must come from "chemtrails"...

... but what´s about "Food"?

This is an Google-Translation of some food measured regular in Germany:




Source: http://www.lebensmittel.org/lmmit297/alu.htm (German)
Translation to english: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.lebensmittel.org/lmmit297/alu.htm">via Google</a>

So, be aware from Legumes, Grain, lettuce, canned mushrooms, Canned vegetables, Cocoa and chocolate, Fruit juices (especially "Apfelsaft" (Apple-Juice)) and from Prezels and Tea!!!

... it is full of Aluminium!!!
 
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Cairenn

Senior Member.
A 'test' that is NOT accepted as useful, is still a waste of money and it doesn't show anything creditable.

Crap is still crap.
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
George,
I have a question for you. Why would a multi-millionaire investment banker, a veteran of Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs, and a current partner in another world-class company be part of your effort? This man has flown thousands of hours worldwide in private jets and likely could have one at his disposal within an hour. This is a man who speaks with financial moguls of the world's largest corporations on a first name basis. This is not a foolish man this is a wealthy businessman who certainly has no belief whatsoever in 'chemtrails'.

What In The World Is Going On With Skyderalert?

Skyder Nexus.JPG

Skyde Nexus1.JPG

http://www.marlinllc.com/press-release/press_id=397

http://www.securitiestechnologymonitor.com/issues/19_84/23078-1.html

http://www.investorside.org/pdf/air2008_agenda_04-02v2.pdf
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
I have a question for you. Why would a multi-millionaire investment banker, a veteran of Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs, and a current partner in another world-class company be part of your effort? This man has flown thousands of hours worldwide in private jets and likely could have one at his disposal within an hour. This is a man who speaks with financial moguls of the world's largest corporations on a first name basis. This is not a foolish man this is a wealthy businessman who certainly has no belief whatsoever in 'chemtrails'.

What In The World Is Going On With Skyderalert?

Skyder Nexus.JPG

Skyde Nexus1.JPG

http://www.marlinllc.com/press-release/press_id=397

http://www.securitiestechnologymonitor.com/issues/19_84/23078-1.html

http://www.investorside.org/pdf/air2008_agenda_04-02v2.pdf

It looks to me like the whole "Skyder" network was put together for the purpose of creating a buzz for pushing the chemtrails hoax in preparation for making a movie. Thomas Conigliaro, Peter Engbert, George Barnes, and Jon S. Adkins have all been involved in making low budget films.
http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/tags/remnants

Some of their work has resulted in significant lawsuits
http://www.entlawdigest.com/2012/09/11/Glynis - Remnants.pdf

and are alleged to have included large reimbursements
http://www.entlawdigest.com/2011/04/27/Producers_Battle_Over_WWIII_Movie.htm

from the troubled Louisiana State Film promotion Tax Credit program.
https://www.google.com/#rlz=1C2GGGE___US541US541&sclient=psy-ab&q=louisiana film tax credit scam&oq=louisiana film tax credit scam&gs_l=serp.12...15152.38253.1.41254.15.15.0.0.0.7.1625.10827.6-4j5j1.10.0.eqrwrth..0.0.0..1.1.17.serp.nJ2OEFh9Mv4&psj=1&fp=59e705af1bebbe4f&biw=1280&bih=687&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&cad=b

Now, all of these people have suddenly become believers in chemtrails?

George, do Skyder, Inc. and Skyderanalysis, Inc. actually have standing as valid 501(c)(3) or 501(c)(4) corporations with EIN numbers? I ask because neither of these entities show up on any listing at IRS or any other database.

George, as President of these organizations, do you know if any of the officers of Skyder, Inc. or Skyderanalysis, Inc. have plans to be involved in making a movie related to the chemtrails/geoengineering hoax?

George, can you also explain why the Articles of Incorporation for Skyderanalysis, Inc. states:


The specific purpose for which this corporation is organized for is:
Operate exclusively for scientific and research purposes within the meaning of 26 USCA 501(c)(3), as amended, and act inacordance with Florida Law governing not-for-profit corporations.
http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/ConvertTiffToPDF?storagePath=COR\2012\1129\90235229.tif&documentNumber=N12000011139


But the Skyderalert website says:
We do not share the information you’ve given us with unaffiliated groups without your explicit permission. We may share some of your personal information with the following affiliated groups:


George, is it true that all the corporations involved in the "Skyder" family in actuality function as promotional entities for an upcoming movie?

As an officer of a non-profit you should answer questions about how your organization functions.
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
The Claim:

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Reality: The "Win" was actually an "Honorable Mention".

Look Up.JPG

Evidence:

The "International Film Fesival for Peace, Inspiration and Equality" is part of a chain of festivals based in Jakarta, Indonesia.
Each "International" festival takes place in Jakarta at a cinema. The sponsors of all these festivals lead to Damien Dematra Productions, who appears to be a genuine Indonesian moviemaker.

The judges are:
Damien Dematra
Ron Mullers, an American living in Jakarta who produced a movie for Damien Dematra about President Obama
Mark Olsen, another American living in Jakarta, listed as Cinematographer, but his IMDB data shows "Camera Operator".
Tiara Savitri, Lupus activist from Jakarta.

The world of film festivals is full of scams. Here is one article describing the system where filmmakers enter their film into a competition for very little value accrued, and how to watch out for them. Typically you pay some money and get your film mentioned. Sometimes the films are not even screened, sometimes the judges are not exactly eminent.

Conclusion:

George Barnes has overstated his film's achievement. Rather than a "Win", he got honorable mention at a film festival which at best introduces the chemtrals hoax to some people in Jakarta
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
I think that even more likely is that every film that gets entered wins an honorable mention. So instead of "Winner", it should read "Paid to enter".
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
I think that even more likely is that every film that gets entered wins an honorable mention. So instead of "Winner", it should read "Paid to enter".
Maybe that is what happened for "Why In The World Are They Spraying", a film by Barry Kolsky. It entered the same film festival, and surprise, surprise, it got the same sort of "Win" that "Look Up" got.
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
We may be seeing a re-alignment between the filmmakers. Previously Dane Wigington and the Shasta Group worked closely with G. Edward Griffin and Michael J. Murphy in producing two films.

This year, controversy erupted when Griffin came out and announced that he was receiving mail from people wanting to shoot at planes they saw making contrails.
Griffin responded by mentioning crowd-sourced research he had done that showed the majority of planes chemtrail believers were seeing are identifiable as ordinary commercial jets.

After Griffin's conclusions were subsequently attacked by Dane Wigington, further controversy erupted over Griffin's contention that global warming was a myth, and further heated exchanges took place.

At the same time, Michael J. Murphy was privately being accused by Dane Wigington of having certain personal problems which were felt to be detrimental to the cause which eventually created a further rift between those personalities.

On Monday night's Global Skywatch Conference Call, Dane Wigington announced that he and George Barnes have filmed two retired commercial and one or more retired military pilots who believe in chemtrails.

I expect that we will soon see the effect of this re-alignment and the extent of influence that the Skyder Corporations shown above have on the course of this hoax.
 
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