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... We have spoken to several weatherman around the world. Many of these "community leaders" are aware that our weather is dramatically changing but very few have made the connection between the droughts, floods and other unpredictable weather to chemtrail/geoengineering programs. ...
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I would like to know who these several community leader "weathermen" are (not counting Scott Stevens).

I would also like to see their data that connects "droughts, floods and other unpredictable weather(??) to chemtrail/geoengineering programs".
 
Ross Marsden said:
I would like to know who these several community leader "weathermen" are (not counting Scott Stevens).

I would also like to see their data that connects "droughts, floods and other unpredictable weather(??) to chemtrail/geoengineering programs".
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We had a discussion a bit back where we kicked around the likely net effect of global warming on the number and frequency of persistent contrails and contrail induced cirrus clouds. Since it was felt that most if not all persistent contrails formed high in the troposphere but below the tropopause . . . warming would increase temperatures there but also increase RH . . . it was speculated the temp change would be more important and therefore, a net reduction in persistent contrails would result than would be expected without the warming . . . what do you think?
 
George B said:
We had a discussion a bit back where we kicked around the likely net effect of global warming on the number and frequency of persistent contrails and contrail induced cirrus clouds. Since it was felt that most if not all persistent contrails formed high in the troposphere but below the tropopause . . . warming would increase temperatures there but also increase RH . . . it was speculated the temp change would be more important and therefore, a net reduction in persistent contrails would result than would be expected without the warming . . . what do you think?
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I think the global increase in temperature of about 0.5C since 1950 is too small to make a noticeable difference. That's only 500 feet. Lost in the noise.
 
Mick said:
I think the global increase in temperature of about 0.5C since 1950 is too small to make a noticeable difference. That's only 500 feet. Lost in the noise.
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Hypothetically . . . and 500 feet is 500 feet . . .
 
George B said:
Hypothetically . . . and 500 feet is 500 feet . . .
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Let's suppose the increase in temperature of about 0.5C since 1950 applies from the surface deep into the atmosphere.
The climate measurements show that although there has been this small temperature rise, the RH has remained more or less the dame.
If there were no changes in engine design, and there no growth in air traffic, then you could possibly detect a reduction in the occurrence of contrails of any type. But all those thing haven't been equal, changes in engine design have led to the raising of contrail critical temperature (for formation) which acts in the opposite sense. So the 500 feet (which as you say is 500 feet) would be lost in the noise.

You seem to have the idea that all contrails are persistent. You don't seen to distinguish. To get a persistent contrail, you first need to get a contrail to form. That is, the exhaust / ambient air mixture needs to reach water saturation at some point. What happens after that depends on the RH... which is reckoned not to have changed (due to global warming effects).

Anyway, I think MJM's thinking about this matter only extends as far as imaging that the chemicals in the "spray" can somehow magically manipulate weather systems to both induce floods (a consequence of weather) and droughts (getting into the time-scale of a climate consideration), and other unspecified unpredictable weather at the same time, though possibly in different parts of the world.

Maybe he is trying to fold cloud seeding into the discussion, as so many other chemtrail leaders and activists seem to be doing

That whole statement of MJM's is very carefully crafted. See how he name-drops "unpredictable weather". We all know (especially those who are doubtful of the science) the weather is unpredictable Right? Truth! It's like he is using a dog whistle. The believers will hear that phrase and a little light comes on; others will hear it and nothing happens - like it's inaudible.
 
Accidentally, I was thinking about the possible effects of global warming on contrail formation while replying to a blog post at Contrailscience.

Even if there is no increase in RH, the absolute amount of water vapor in the air (from ground up) is rising. These 500 ft were added with respect to the water holding capacity, right?

Now, what about vertical convection and global warming? The verdict may not be out yet if tropical storms or 'normal' thunderstorms will increase in violence or in frequency (or both).
However, is it far fetched to assume there may be an increased transport of humidity through the atmospheric layers, up to contrail levels? Or even an extension of the troposphere?
 
Ross Marsden said:
If there were no changes in engine design, and there no growth in air traffic, then you could possibly detect a reduction in the occurrence of contrails of any type. But all those thing haven't been equal, changes in engine design have led to the raising of contrail critical temperature (for formation) which acts in the opposite sense. So the 500 feet (which as you say is 500 feet) would be lost in the noise.
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Thanks . . . I was thinking more into the future assuming the engine efficiencies as a constant more or less for all aircraft at that altitude range . . . and I am aware not all contrails are persistent contrails . . . you answered my question. . . Thanks!
 
http://www.gaiamtv.com/video/chemtr...chaelMurphy&utm_medium=Web&utm_campaign=10day

Has anyone seen this? The trailer which you can access through geoengineering watch is only a minute and a half long. Requires a paid subscription for the rest, but there is a free 10 day trial.
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Steve said:
Just saw this in the local Los Angeles chemtrail meetup. Seems MJM's movement is having some internal problems.
http://www.meetup.com/environment-391/events/130556722/
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Part of that was something Dane Wigington had posted about a week ago, along with some emails from Murphy. He took it down, and I removed the post here from public view as it seemed of a private and libelous nature. Seems like it's all being played out in public now.
 
Murphy never denies Wigington's accusation of addiction. He says it's all about some money.
Michael J. Murphy said:
This started occurring after introducing 2 people (well known in the movement) to a funding source who wanted to donate several million dollars to support the chemtrail movement. One of the people who happened to be in both WITWATS films and appeared to be a trusted friend, advisor and fellow activist stated that he used to work for a military contractor.
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Michael J. Murphy said:
It is nice that you have finally responded to one of my many requests. As stated before, I have seen great division in many movements due to the type of gossip and allegations that you have made. Please respond to your proof the following accusation: your addiction to heavy street drugs.
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Michael J. Murphy said:
Also, while I could see that an addiction to heavy street drugs, due to monetary and other problems, could create issues within a movement, especially with the way that funds are used, however, I made several attempts to discuss this with you so that you have a clear understanding of what is happening in my personal life. My other concern is in the way that you handled this publicly during a critical time for substantial funding for our film and the movement which, regrettably, I had invited you with the permission of the funders to be a part on a conference call which got you involved.
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Murphy does try to cast doubt on Wigington's sincerity, practically calling him a traitor tied to Bechtel Corp.
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I have many other questions but would like everyone to know that this started back around February or March when I would not agree with the subject about the global warming issue (due to my belief that it could and would create divisions in the movement) and also after asking if he still works for any military contractors or any government agency or agencies. I asked this after learning the company that claimed he used worked for appears to be involved in both geoengineering and also methane capture which is not only very profitable but also a main component of his discussions while addressing geoengineering. Could it be a plan B for the failing carbon removal agenda????
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One of the strangest parts is Murphy has significantly changed certain wording in the version of text which previously appeared on his Facebook page. This text, which was posted on Facebook using Murphy's personal account, is claimed by Murphy to have been a "hacking issue", yet text the original text mentioning his wife's name has been changed from "Peres Owino" to "Pete's Owino", and the phrase "Please notify the Authorities of Mexico". has been added to the original version which appeared on his FaceBook page.
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If interested in finding any information on the whereabouts of either past Board Members and also including the women who goes by Pete's Owino, please notify the Authorities of Mexico.
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This situation is even more bizarre than before. At least one of these two individuals is not telling the truth at all, and in my opinion it is likely the one who has the most to lose.
 
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The chemtrails people make much about testing soil, rain, water, etc. This farrago could easily be cleared up if Wigington self-tested and challenged Murphy to have a drug screen urine test with public results. If they did so, I'll show mine too, as a transportation worker, I am always subject to random tests and regularly tested.
 
Hi kids.
Here's a short message focusing on dissent in the chemtrail ranks, sent out on the 22nd:

"Because we, as humans, have the power and ability to stop these damaging programs, it is not the geoengineers who are the greatest threat but those within the movement who create division."
The link below contains what I believe to be the most important article in moving forward in our efforts in getting geoengineering stopped. It is the first of a three part series that addresses recent division in our vital movement. Please take the time to read and reflect on how you can improve in bring this vital message to the masses. Thanks again for all of your support and as always, "Keep looking up!"

http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=6369
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http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=10271
This is the latest article by Murphy that I found posted on todays David Icke. Pretty funny given that he is now telling his followers that climate change is caused by various forms of geo engineering. Like most of the CTs he can't except that climate change is caused by CO2 emissions so there must be a deliberate scheme design by the illuminate to cause the sudden decrease in arctic ice mass. Must be A-bomb testing in the 50s by the Russians.
 
Steve said:
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=10271
This is the latest article by Murphy that I found posted on todays David Icke. Pretty funny given that he is now telling his followers that climate change is caused by various forms of geo engineering. Like most of the CTs he can't except that climate change is caused by CO2 emissions so there must be a deliberate scheme design by the illuminate to cause the sudden decrease in arctic ice mass. Must be A-bomb testing in the 50s by the Russians.
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Seem like that's a bit of a cut-and-paste article. For exmaple:
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In the past several years there has been a notable depletion of our ozone layer, especially in the Polar Regions. In 1963, respected meteorologist Harry Wexler suggested the Arctic regions could be warmed more quickly by using aircraft to spray chlorine or bromine into the stratosphere in order to destroy the ozone layer. As a matter of fact, some scientists have recorded a significant change in our UV index, which is the protective layer in the atmosphere that shields Planet Earth from the sun's harmful rays.
Partly comes from this Dane Wigington article:
http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2014/07...ible-for-deliberate-ozone-depletion-and-uv-b/
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In 1963, respected meteorologist Harry Wexler suggested the arctic regions could be warmed more quickly by using aircraft to spray chlorine or bromine into the stratosphere to destroy the ozone layer. (source)

Most people have no knowledge of the long history of projects to create deliberate global warming including plans to melt arctic ice as a documented goal of geoengineers beginning in with the formation of Standard Oil in Ohio in 1870
Both are wrong, as Harry Wexler died in 1962.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Wexler

The source of the claim is Fixing the Sky, Wexler was actually responding to suggestions that artifical ozone holes could be used as weapons, and concerns that rocket pollution might be contributing to ozone depletion, but he did not suggest the idea himself, and was strongly against it. It was nothing to do with deliberate warming, as it would make the planet uninhabitable.

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Wexler warned that the space age was introducing an entirely new kind of "atmospheric pollution" problem. He was particularly worried that some types of rocket fuel might release chlorine or bromine, "which could destroy naturally occurring atmospheric ozone and open up a `hole,' admitting passage of harmful ultra-violet radiation to the lower atmosphere" (z). Changes in the upper atmosphere caused by increasing contrails, space experiments gone awry, or the actions of a hostile power could disrupt the ozonosphere, the ionosphere, or even the general circulation and climate on which human existence depends.

James Rodger Fleming. Fixing the Sky: The Checkered History of Weather and Climate Control (p. 217). Kindle Edition.
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One of the most stunning aspects of Wexler's lectures was his awareness that catalytic reactions of chlorine and bromine could severely damage the ozone layer. Wexler was concerned that inadvertent damage to ozone might occur if increased rocket exhaust polluted the stratosphere or if near-space "seeding" experiments went awry: "The exhausts from increasingly powerful and numerous space
rockets will soon be systematically seeding the thin upper atmosphere with large quantities of chemicals it has never possessed before or only in small quantities."74 He was also concerned that the cold war and the space age might provide rival militaries with both the motivation and the wherewithal to damage the ozone layer.
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For example, Wulf wrote in early January 1962, "chlorine or bromine photosensitized decomposition [of ozone] might come closest to a reaction in which a small amount of added material would cause a relatively large amount of decomposition."" Wexler replied immediately, adding that he even had a delivery system in mind "a la West Ford dipoles" but had "no intention of suggesting or backing any such proposal

James Rodger Fleming. Fixing the Sky: The Checkered History of Weather and Climate Control (p. 220). Kindle Edition.
 
At current state of progress, it looks like I will have to wait another 6 years at least before I finally get to watch HOW in the world are they spraying where they will spend an hour completely failing to explain HOW all that material fits on the aeroplane to be sprayed, how and where it gets manufactured and how it is stealthily delivered to the airports and loaded on to the planes.
 
Assuming they're all intending to fly to these destinations on their quest - I wonder how vocal (or quiet) they'll be over their aviation concerns when in the heart of the beasts, surrounded by some of the more significant people they're purportedly begging to "help them" raise awarenes of the "truth"? ie the airline industry.
 
Balance said:
Assuming they're all intending to fly to these destinations on their quest - I wonder how vocal (or quiet) they'll be over their aviation concerns when in the heart of the beasts, surrounded by some of the more significant people they're purportedly begging to "help them" raise awarenes of the "truth"? ie the airline industry.
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I wonder if he/they would get thrown off a plane for being too vocal about their concerns to the flight crew.
 
Myself with a few other leading activists are attending the treaty with the goal of educating scientists as well as obtaining information to move forward with legal action in our attempts to block the expected legislative attempts.
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Quoted from MJM's donation page.

I quirk my brow at his statement of "educating scientists as well as obtaining information to move forward with legal action".

I certainly hope he doesn't intend to ambush attendees like he did with people like David Keith in his first movie, but assuming he really is trying to attend, my impression of what I read on his site is exactly that.
 
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