G. Edward Griffin: Don't Blame the Pilots!

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Mick West

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GEG gets almost sensible with chemtrails, but then suggests that any attack against a plane would be a "false flag".

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/realityzone/dontblamepilots.html
 

Joe

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I wonder if they are talking about this site ? :) I think he was saying it would destroy the movement . It seemed quite reasonable what he said .
 

Mick West

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I wonder if they are talking about this site ? :) I think he was saying it would destroy the movement . It seemed quite reasonable what he said .

I'm sure he is talking about this site. It's not exactly a "database" though just a list in a thread. And I don't think it's reasonable to say that we "are hoping to haul into court all outspoken chemtrail opponents as being responsible for the tragedy because they "enflamed passions" with "conspiracy theories" and, therefore, must be punished. Perhaps they are hoping that even the mere threat of doing this will be enough to silence our movement."

I just don't want anyone to get hurt. But I do also think that these threats themselves are a result of the conspiracy theory, and should give pause to anyone promoting it.
 

Joe

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I'm sure he is talking about this site. It's not exactly a "database" though just a list in a thread. And I don't think it's reasonable to say that we "are hoping to haul into court all outspoken chemtrail opponents as being responsible for the tragedy because they "enflamed passions" with "conspiracy theories" and, therefore, must be punished. Perhaps they are hoping that even the mere threat of doing this will be enough to silence our movement."

I just don't want anyone to get hurt either. But I do also think that these threats themselves are a result of the conspiracy theory, and should give pause to anyone promoting it.
I dont want anyone to get hurt and I really doubt even after all those threats you posted any of those fools would act out . Its the ones that dont say anything are the ones plotting . The only ones I know taking out aircraft seem to be of a certain faith ? But that Just my opinion . I dont think taking any one to court or holding them responsible for anything they say is right either . This site even though Im still believe something is up has put out more facts and data then iv seen anywhere else . They havent proven anything . They need conclusive evidence first .
 

Mick West

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I dont want anyone to get hurt and I really doubt even after all those threats you posted any of those fools would act out. Its the ones that dont say anything are the ones plotting.

A bit of both I think. Some of the people making threats have also claimed to have shone lasers at passing aircraft.

Planes have been struck by bullets. Although the reason is unknown, possible accidental. And it seems very rare.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/03/30/u-s-airways-plane-struck-by-bullet-on-landing/
 

lotek

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plus the lady making and testing 'rockets'......



sounds great to me... except that its not needed, the 'movement' will flush its self eventually.

what about the people trying to source missiles? or posting links to multi-watt, buy as a kit build yourself, lasers? thats pretty hardcore to me.

these guys are gunna ruin every last hobby ive ever had... 911 took pyro, tweakers took chemistry, boston might make fireworks a pita for a lil while, and i know laser control is in the works(specifically due to planes) ive seen proposals for legislation regarding the 10-100mw range ones already.

Edit:..... misread that shit.....



id like to know why it cant just be an unstable member of their 'movement'?
 

Cairenn

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My thought is that he is setting up a cover story in case it happens. Typical of that crew. One thing that I have seen a lot of during the BP spill is that the CT group LOVES to claim to be victims. They will call folks names, then when someone responds in kind, they are the victim. That seems to go along with their paranoia.

Yes, I consider folks that see 'monsters under the bed' as paranoid.
 

Joe

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no I said taking not talking about it . 9/11 wasn't Christians as far as I know ?
being that most are on the left which is where most of the violence comes from anything is possible .
 

Joe

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My thought is that he is setting up a cover story in case it happens. Typical of that crew. One thing that I have seen a lot of during the BP spill is that the CT group LOVES to claim to be victims. They will call folks names, then when someone responds in kind, they are the victim. That seems to go along with their paranoia.

Yes, I consider folks that see 'monsters under the bed' as paranoid.
Yes and those who see the fellow Americans as monsters are also paranoid .
 

TWCobra

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Yes and those who see the fellow Americans as monsters are also paranoid .

Perhaps, but here in Australia we have already had chemtrail activists come to the airport to "confront" pilots. Another claimed to have addresses of several of my colleagues and was openly planing to "send the boys around".

Maybe in this case the paranoia is warranted.
 

Joe

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Perhaps, but here in Australia we have already had chemtrail activists come to the airport to "confront" pilots. Another claimed to have addresses of several of my colleagues and was openly planing to "send the boys around".

Maybe in this case the paranoia is warranted.
Come on pilots are not afraid of a few wacko threats ? Just arm yourself . Can you still own a gun In Australia ?
 

TWCobra

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Come on pilots are not afraid of a few wacko threats ? Just arm yourself . Can you still own a gun In Australia ?
Not generally, and certainly not while in uniform. So you are saying chemtrail believers are wacko, Joe?
 

Joe

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Not generally, and certainly not while in uniform. So you are saying chemtrail believers are wacko, Joe?
wacko ? maybe a few . dangerous ? only to themselves ? Like any other groups . I know a few wacko pilots as well :) I thought you were allowed to be armed while in the cockpit ?
 

Jay Reynolds

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I see that Dane Wigington is blasting the hell out of G. Edward Griffin, careful though to not mention his name.

Wigington makes fun of Griffin's explanation about how contrails can form a grid when blown by wind, portrays Grffin as a buffoon, and has the audacity to bring up Occam's Razor in support of the chemtrails hoax.

Dane Wigington makes no mention at all of Griffin's main purpose of the article, to let folks know that what they are seeing are ordinary planes carrying passengers, and chemtrail believers are beginning to talk about shooting those same planes down. Griffin has seen the threats for himself, has received them in the mail. He is trying to do the right thing and is being disrespected for it.

G. Edward Griffin said:
Tell everyone you know that these planes are piloted by men and women who have no idea of the role they play in this scenario. Tell them that the planes are loaded with innocent passengers who do not deserve to be victims of attacks against the planes they occupy.

Dane knows that once people realize they are seeing ordinary passnger jets he can never reach his goal of "Critical Mass" where he sees himself mobilizing a great unstoppable million-man army against chemtrails.


See the article:
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/anti-geoengineering-activists-are-all-over-the-board/
 

TWCobra

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Max Bliss is offering Pilots "Amnesty".... Which is big of him; after reporting a supposedly undebunkable video. The exchange in the comments is interesting.

[video=youtube_share;iaOq5QKuhdw]http://youtu.be/iaOq5QKuhdw[/video]
 

TWCobra

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Max has joined a steadily growing group of chemmies who refuse to debate me. Some of it I am sure is the "certitude" of their positions, but Max is aware that I am a pilot and I think that has something to do with him ignoring the challenge.
 

lotek

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Ive asked im a question in a non threatening manner and its been suspended for a while. ill post it if/when he deletes/posts it.

Dafuq did i just read?

funny you ask... for an additional 19.95....
 

scombrid

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I see that Dane Wigington is blasting the hell out of G. Edward Griffin, careful though to not mention his name.

Of course others are going to blast Griffin. "Tic Tac Toe" grids and "unmarked planes" are canon in the chemtrail religion. Griffin is committing heresy of high magnitude by admitting that the shills and disinfo agents were correct about commercial planes and flight patterns. Think about the implications of that for the belief system in general. A lot of what they believe hinges on the trails being laid in deliberate patterns by double secret planes. Griffin can obviously adapt his belief to incorporate this "new" revelation about commercial flights but it still admits that the "shills" and "disinfo" agents have been right all along about that aspect of the "theory".
 

TWCobra

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Max has joined a steadily growing group of chemmies who refuse to debate me. Some of it I am sure is the "certitude" of their positions, but Max is aware that I am a pilot and I think that has something to do with him ignoring the challenge.

I don't normally quote myself but you can add Dane Wigington to the list. The following post on his site never made it past moderation...

Draw your own conclusions from that..
 

lotek

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Id like to point out his reply to this "tklite" and also note how he(dane) skips over commenting on flightware/flightradar24/identification. its a step... or not.


Screenshot at 2013-05-11 21:31:59.png

Step one, indulge, step two, ask of.
 

Ross Marsden

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Actually, those comments are still there.


I suspect that G Edward Griffin is incrementally moving towards completely recanting, and debunking the whole chemtrail meme.
He has said they are commercial airliners making the trails; he has explained the grid patterns.
He has suggested that the "spray" appears in parts of the sky that are pre-doped by other planes.
This is only a step or two away from suggesting that the "spray" appears because of natural properties of the environment - supersaturation with respect to ice, that the "spray" is actually a contrail after all, they they do persist longer than a few seconds in certain conditions.
 

TWCobra

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True... And there is this little gem..

Applying any sort of critical thinking should lead the reader to question why cold temperatures are needed for chemtrails?
 

Ross Marsden

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True... And there is this little gem..

Applying any sort of critical thinking should lead the reader to question why cold temperatures are needed for chemtrails?

I can't find that comment in either the Dane Wigington piece comments, or on the G Edward Griffin page.
Has it been removed now?
 

Jay Reynolds

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They havent proven anything . They need conclusive evidence first .

Yes, and we have G. Edward Griffin sitting on his data for two years and Dane Wigington refusing to discuss the matter when responding to Griffin.

Griffin really needs to publish his study. Accorinding to what he is saying, the data is extensive:

G. Edward Griffin said:
At least 90% of the hundreds of planes tracked in this manner were commercial flights. Some of our sky watchers have used long lenses and photographed many of these planes and were able to identify the standard colors and markings of commercial planes. The data produced by the software aligned perfectly with real scheduled flights.
http://www.realityzone.com/currentperiod.html#letters

Here is the reporting template his people were using, perhaps with attached photos, etc.

planefinder.jpg


Anybody have some bright ideas how these could be displayed in an easy-to-understand way?
 

TEEJ

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Max Bliss is offering Pilots "Amnesty".... Which is big of him; after reporting a supposedly undebunkable video. The exchange in the comments is interesting.

LOL! It is very big of him! Is he hoping that his 'evidence' will make Ryan Air crews come clean?

If anyone has 40 mins or so have a look at his brief at the 'London Chemtrails Awareness Conference'. It is just mindnumbing!


How can people be so gullible?





05:05 He show an image and claims that it is hole in the cloud made by himself using a chembuster!


19:58 onwards 'Yes they really do work ... it's not backyard science'


He has proof that Ryan Air is spraying and they have to zig zag due to the performance of his chembuster. I love how he goes on about unmarked aircraft with no windows.


36:45 onwards he provides the details of building his chembuster. He later explains how his chembuster works!


From the blurb on the video description


Chembusters....I have made 4 chembusters and I am satisfied they do work but they are not the whole solution but they clear away chemtrails and hamper their operations. You will see the effects and at first it is like magic. They can get overwhelmed with a lot of traffic but they work for ever. I move mine, wearing rubber gloves to alternate holes in the ground. I see the performance improve..I assume the surrounding soil gets saturated with negative energy, like a sponge with water and moving it works. They do not affect normal clouds, infact they just harmonise the energies in the sky...the chemtrails particles change the polarity of the sky, this is why the chembuster can work. Everyone can make one of these, they do not need to be perfect at all just read the instruction 2 or 3 times first and have all your bits ready..anyone can do this.
 

lotek

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amnesty from what? your personal army's laser pointers, rockets, and gemstone/copperwire powered hippy canons?
amnesty....
Oh the hubris..
 

TWCobra

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amnesty from what? your personal army's laser pointers, rockets, and gemstone/copperwire powered hippy canons?
amnesty....
Oh the hubris..

That question did occur to me. Max seems like nice enough guy, but in reviewing a few if his other videos where he claims his chembusters keep the small patch of sky above his house clear, and really believes this, one does wonder about him.
 

JRBids

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FOund this on the Skydentify Chemtrails FB page. I can almost hear Robbie the Robot saying "does not compute! does not compute!" when I read the last comment, which did not totally fit in my screen shot:

"kydentify Chemtrails Who in the world is spraying?He is also supporting the debunkers explanation for the grids that the chemtrail movement have spent a whole decade disputing. For a whole decade we have been saying that is wrong but now suddenly they have been right all this time. The movement has been saying that the planes are military but at least in Australia it has been proven they are not. The movement have been saying photos of tanks inside planes are for chemtrails but now we have to admit the photos are just of flight certification testing. It's so frustrating. Now debunkers have challenged me to provide any documentation to support the idea that contrails can't persist for more than a few minutes but so far I can't find anything. I feel they must be wrong but it's hard to find documentation to prove it"



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More interesting comments later in the same thread;
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=420063104756899&id=400145150082028
 

lotek

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trying to get him to work on something more worthwhile are we?

Im happy to see the comment is still on dane's page. If for no other reason to have him on record saying he doesnt support the hardcore activists. perhaps you just need to stroke the guy off a little first to get him to leave a comment up. his ego. stroke his ego a bit that is.... What i said wasnt inaccurate, wrong, or a lie. Griffin's ideas are asinine. Dane's are too, but i didnt have to say that.


It is interesting, in that FB thread, to watch the guy bounce between logic and information taking hold, then his emotional investment taking over again, then back and forth like a game of pong. I wish him well!
 

JFDee

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Found this on the Skydentify Chemtrails FB page
This person - as a chemtrailer - actually tried to promote an effort to take good pictures of trailing planes on M.J. Murphy's FB board. He was irritated that his posts had vanished quite soon ... At the time, he suspected technical glitches in FB.

Now I can see that he seems to be on the way out.
 
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