Coulthart's source and the Dreamland forum say the same thing regarding the provenience of the patch. There is no choice involved. That's what the word "uncontradicted" (that you quoted) means. (Though I use it to mean, contradicted by facts, not by speculation over the meaning of an 8-bit number.)
That makes no sense my friend.
I guess more to the point, it's not something that belongs in this thread. But in brief, Coulthart used one unreliable evidence-free source for his 2015 exposé on a UK parliament pedo scandal for 60 Minutes - said he'd keep us updated on the story, but never did and the story turned out to be bunk.
His tweet is so dumb anyway - okay so I didn't state that specific thing, but that's because I was responding to some other thing, specifically rewording someone else's tweet so why would I include anything he wrote there?
The nerve I hit was last year when I demolished his UFO TV special (Jim's ball etc) and I have indeed sniped at him since then too. And I agree with you, he has a pompous air - he's suddenly famous in (one tiny part of) the US and holding all the secrets. He loves it.
He hasn't made Grusch's DPSR cleared statement(s) available.
And I think that's often the problem with people who claim they know more and promise to reveal it one day but never do - they come to realize that what they could reveal is either rather pathetic or has since been refuted with contradictory evidence.
Short version:
Article: Coulthart was last seen being commissioned by Seven Network commercial director Bruce McWilliam to investigate war crimes allegations against Ben Roberts-Smith. He subsequently worked as part of the soldier’s spin team, trying to convince media figures that BRS was squeaky clean. In June, the Federal Court found Roberts-Smith was a war criminal who killed unarmed civilians in Afghanistan, a judgment he is appealing.
I looked into that event and found a troubling sign. It was reported that Coulthart had contacted some journalists and told them he had a witness who would support his story which would be put out soon. The witness and the story never appeared and as we know from the court case, Coulthart was wrong. Sounds very much like his UFO playbook - talk up secret witnesses but never provide any evidence.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/...h/news-story/2232be0ea52995dcfc37798db6f9a4c9Coulthart told Nine’s journalists he had found a witness who contradicted their version of events and he was putting together “a story” of his own, the court was told.
Exactly (highlight mine):
BRS did file a witness list that included 19 witnesses for "justification" (the public docket is at https://www.fedcourt.gov.au/services/access-to-files-and-transcripts/online-files/ben-roberts-smith ), maybe Coulthart "verified" these for "credibility"?
Article: One of the key murder allegations Nine made about Ben Roberts-Smith was that on a mission to Chinartu in 2012, he ordered an Afghan soldier, called Person 12, to shoot a man who was being questioned.
That allegation was found to be substantially true.
During evidence, Mr Roberts-Smith's witnesses suggested Person 12 could not have been present on that mission because he had earlier shot a dog and been stood down from the team.
But under questioning, several witnesses — including one codenamed Person 35 — admitted he was wrong about who shot the dog.
Justice Besanko's judgement found Mr Roberts-Smith had made the story up with Person 35, who repeated the "deliberate lie" in court.
"The applicant and Person 35 colluded to put forward a false story that Person 12 had been removed or stood down following a shooting incident on 31 July 2012," the judgement reads.
Someone please ask him what's his evidence for me being a scientist/author living in South Yarra. I'd actually love to know how he came to that conclusion. Could prove informative about the kind of sources he trusts.
I made a topic on that subforum, at https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ross-coulthart.13159/ , so we can find this later. It has most of the relevant posts from this thread quoted.
"He was head of security for his engineering group, and a data configuration specialist. His group did radar cross-section testing."
interesting interview
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Taber testified in May to the Pentagon's UFO investigation unit, the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), who are collecting accounts of alleged government possession of non-human craft.
His story has now been documented by the Pentagon's UFO investigation office AARO, after Taber was interviewed by staff in May.
A memo of his account, along with other reports and witness statements, is due to be compiled and sent to Congress next year.
Taber said the AARO staffers were 'professional' and 'non-threatening', adding: 'I was surprised at how interested they were.'
Taber said he decided to come forward to push for limited disclosure of what he believes is the truth about non-human craft in the government's possession.
The claim is that this guy's GrUncle worked at Area 51 for EG&G as a security guy for a radar group between '97 and '14:The claim – though an unverified story from a now-deceased witness – is part of a long history of rumors about potential extraterrestrial craft or futuristic spaceships stored at the Nevada desert airbase near Groom Lake, north of Las Vegas.
That sounds reasonable. What I don't get, is that while there, other EG&G employees shared a LOT of information with him from a completely different group:Taber told DailyMail.com. 'He told me he worked at Area 51 from 1997 until 2014.'
'He was head of security for his engineering group, and a data configuration specialist. His group did radar cross-section testing.
Would EG&G guys reverse engineering a UFO tell a security person from a radar group all this stuff? And note the "isotope ratio or the mixture of elements" claim. Sounds like Art's Parts and Ubatuba.'He said, 'When I first got there in 1997, I had a personal conversation with a senior EG&G engineer whose group was tasked with trying to reverse-engineer an object that was brought there by some CIA people in the 1980s.'
'It was supposedly just found in a remote desert location fully intact.
'The senior EG&G engineer described to my great uncle that it was egg-shaped, about the size of an SUV, smooth and seamless, metallic-looking, silverish gray in color, with no control surfaces, no flaps, no inlet, and no exhaust, and no writing or symbols on the outside.
'These are the best and brightest engineers you can think of. They tried to no avail to figure out what the power source was, how to activate it, and how it works. They tried to induce electricity to it.
'X-rays couldn't penetrate it; it showed up on X-ray as a solid object. They tried to open it and penetrate its hull; they couldn't.
'They said that they were able to take some very small samples of the material. And I'm not an expert in chemistry, but I guess from the isotope ratio or the mixture of elements, they concluded it was not made on Earth.'
In addition, we have GrUncle Sam seeing a photo of the exact same craft that was described to him, pinned to the wall for all to see:Taber said Urquhart told him eventually the craft was shipped to another base, possibly White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico, and that was the last the engineers heard about it.
Just seems like EG&G's security protocol was a bit lax.'My great uncle would collect radar data, and bring it into secure vaults to catalog and store it,' Taber said. 'He was in one of these secure data vault storage rooms in the main control building, nicknamed the Taj Mahal, when on the wall he saw an up-close crystal-clear color photograph of the exact same object that the senior engineer had discussed.'
I don't know. Despite what Knapp and Corbin continue to claim, almost nothing about Lazar's story has ever checked out. I suppose there is always the outside possibility that he was a low-level tech for EG&G like he was at Los Alamos, but it sounds like trying to weave Lazar into the story because it involves Area 51.Notorious former Area 51 worker Bob Lazar has claimed since his first interview in 1989 that he worked on an alien flying saucer reverse engineering program at Groom Lake – though many elements of his story have now been debunked.
Taber said his great uncle told him he knew Lazar worked at the base, but that much of his story was fabricated.
'He was only there for a few months,' Taber said. 'He states there was a site called S-4 at the base of the Papoose Mountains with nine hangar sections built into the side of the mountain housing nine flying saucers. My great uncle said it's bogus. The only thing Papoose had was some radio tower equipment. That was his take on it.'
Because, why not?Physicist and intelligence official Dr. Eric Davis allegedly met with then-deputy director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, Vice Admiral Thomas Wilson, in the parking lot of an EG&G site in Las Vegas in October 2002, and wrote notes of what Wilson told him.
According to the notes, the Vice Admiral told Davis that in the early 2000s he uncovered – but was denied access to – a secret program run by a defense contractor that retrieved and attempted to reverse engineer UFOs.
The bombshell, controversial documents claim Wilson found discrepancies in budgets that led him to the program run by 'an aerospace technology contractor – one of the top ones in [the] US'.
Notes allegedly written by Davis documenting the conversation were leaked from the estate of late astronaut Edgar Mitchell in 2018.
Davis has declined to publicly confirm their authenticity, though his friend and ex-senior Pentagon official Christopher Mellon wrote on his blog last year that Davis is in fact the author.
An invulnerable material that resisted YEARS of efforts to get past it?
So it's literally impossible to saw into this thing and figure out how it works, but they could break part of the invulnerable craft off for testing? Huh?
This would all make sense with a slightly different timeline, and a prank.
Except maybe it was a different, more egg-shaped, model on the picture Sam Urquhart saw?"UFO" at Helendale RCS facility
Ah, but that wasn't for doing materials testing, that was collecting DNA.They probably scraped the surface for metal particles using a flat-head screwdriver.
An actual radar target from earlier in this thread:A rendering of the metallic egg-shaped UFO is seen. 'X-rays couldn't penetrate it; it showed up on X-ray as a solid object. They tried to open it and penetrate its hull; they couldn't,' Taber said
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Taber's motivations are clear:Taber admitted he sold his great uncle's patch for $600 on eBay in March when he was strapped for cash – a move he now regrets.
Now if we look again at GrUncle Sam's story it starts when he arrives at Area 51:'Disclosure has to be done very carefully. We don't want our enemies to know everything about what we've got. But I do believe wholeheartedly that humanity deserves to know the truth, if we have recovered these non-human objects or craft, which 100% I believe we have.'
Upon arriving, he's being told secrets unrelated to his tasks. This sounds very familiar:'He said, 'When I first got there in 1997, I had a personal conversation with a senior EG&G engineer....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_LazarLazar has claimed that during his joining the program, he read briefing documents describing the historical involvement of Earth for the past 10,000 years with extraterrestrial beings described as grey aliens from a planet orbiting the twin binary star system Zeta Reticuli.
EDIT: Of course GrUncle Sam "knew" Lazar worked at the base, everybody did. Sam started in '97 and Lazar had gone public with his claims in '89. Since none of Lazar's story has ever held up, why say he was there? What's the point?Taber said his great uncle told him he knew Lazar worked at the base, but that much of his story was fabricated.
I've been to Northrop's (formerly classified) RCS facility at Tejon Ranch. Here's an unclassified photo taken when Northrop and National Geographic cooperated to make a documentary to RCS test a full size replica of the WW2 German Ho 229 flying wing fighter. The pylon shown is similar to pylons I saw when classified RCS testing was being undertaken back in the day.Concerning the strange shapes on the patch;
Note that the lower left-hand side of the patch shows a spherical ball, plus a series of strangely shaped pylons: it may show a ball-shaped radar cross-section test article, and the pylons used by EG&G to hoist them aloft.
Here is a picture of some testing by EG&G Inc, (Edgerton, Germeshausen, and Grier, Inc) in the 1960s, associated with the OXCART stealth aircraft.
Are you sure the symmetrical triplets of humps aren't just a representation of radar side lobes?Concerning the strange shapes on the patch;
Note that the lower left-hand side of the patch shows a spherical ball, plus a series of strangely shaped pylons: it may show a ball-shaped radar cross-section test article, and the pylons used by EG&G to hoist them aloft.
Radar targets come in different shapes, depending on what is being researched. I would not be surprised if all Urqhart could identify were the targets his own group used.
Quite possibly, although sidelobes don't quite look like that. Perhaps they represent both at once.
I'm not sure I follow your reasoning here.
In the case of Jim's ball, which is what Coulthart is scraping here, it was to get metal scrapings to send to immunologist(!!?) Garry Nolan. I imagine even Coulthart doesn't think alien DNA would be hanging around on Jim's ball after 40 years. Jane Fonda's DNA, perhaps. (She has touched Jim's ball.)
Well, that's what I meant. I'm sorry we can't have a conversation.
They probably scraped the surface for metal particles using a flat-head screwdriver.
I took @FatPhil to mean that the pictured procedure is liable to collect the operator's DNA, either from their handling the ball in less than sterile conditions, or when the screwdriver slips and ends up in their other hand.
