Rep. Luna Requests UAP Video, With a List of Names.

Death and life are part of the order of things. Suffering is part of life. I don't know we are ready for any big advances; we're pretty much ruining the planet. I'd just watch us from a distance. Might be concerned if one idiot species was going to destroy everything with their stupid missiles and stop that. I'd actually work on trying to make a good portion of humanity sterile with some engineered virus to keep things in balance for the other animals on the planet if I was going down that route!
 
You shouldn't assume that there is something to "inform the American public" about, in this regard. Various entities within the government have publicly stated that no, there is nothing to tell, no, there are no crashed UFOs in custody, and no, there are no otherworldly bodies in cold storage at Wright-Pat. But the people who want to believe otherwise refuse to be convinced, and are demanding "disclosure" when there may be nothing to disclose.

With respect to ALIENS I am quite sure there is nothing to disclose, no crashed saucers, no dead aliens, or live ones. Nobody here but us Humans.

But in their zeal the Disclosure people will try and get things released that might reveal the intel communities souces and methods, those fuzzy videos and photos, things like that that don't really disclose anything but which they want people to see so they can "make up their own minds".
 
With respect to ALIENS I am quite sure there is nothing to disclose, no crashed saucers, no dead aliens, or live ones. Nobody here but us Humans.

But in their zeal the Disclosure people will try and get things released that might reveal the intel communities souces and methods, those fuzzy videos and photos, things like that that don't really disclose anything but which they want people to see so they can "make up their own minds".
What the heck is going on in the SCIFs? Some people say they have seen these things close enough to see them pretty clearly --so perhaps not in LIZ --so they must be lying or just mistaken?
 
What the heck is going on in the SCIFs? Some people say they have seen these things close enough to see them pretty clearly --so perhaps not in LIZ --so they must be lying or just mistaken?
How highly would you rate Rep. Luna's ability to recognize something mundane but unfamiliar to her as something mundane, when she has the alternative of believing it to be evidence supporting a strongly held prior opinion? (Not picking on her exclusively, I could ask the same of Rep. Burchett or several others. In fact, I hereby do so! ^_^)

And a wonderful side-advantage of showing them in a SCIF and insisting they are too sensitive to be shown anywhere else is that people who are actually good at recognizing this stuff can't see it and spoil the fun by saying, "Wait, it's a butterfly*" or balloon or Starlink flare or...

*It is worth noting that a picture of a butterfly was touted as the "smoking gun" UFO image, with appendages projecting and a visible "field" and lasers and stuff. None of that was actually visible in the photo -- butterflies do not have laser nor do they generate visible energy fields, and while they DO have appendages these were not visible in the photo. "I aw pictures/videos of something that is definitely a structured craft made with out-of-this-world super technology" has zero value without the ability to put more eyes on it, just in case it is totally wrong and just a butterfly... https://www.metabunk.org/threads/cl...-photo-of-orb-captured-by-photographer.13182/
 
Right, if you listen to what they say, now including Steve Scalise, they are so vague it seems like the videos might be in the LIZ, and because they looking for unexplainable things, they were given the butterflies. Some are more surprised and definitive, like Luna, but I also wouldn't consider these folks to be able to debunk UFO butterflies much, anyway. It's all kind of getting to be farcical. I wish we could put a bunch of them under oath.
 
What the heck is going on in the SCIFs? Some people say they have seen these things close enough to see them pretty clearly --so perhaps not in LIZ --so they must be lying or just mistaken?

Another thing to keep in mind, we don't know who is presenting stuff in these SCIFs. For example, on May 1 of last year, Mellon's Disclosure Fund group put on a presentation with the UAP caucus' members Luna, Burchete, Burlison and Begich as well as Loeb, Gallaudt and Eric Davis, with Elizondo acting as host and moderator:

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Note Eric Davis in the casual Friday Aloha shirt sitting next to Luna.

Davis went on to make a number of claims including the usual secret UFO crash retrieval programs:

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assessment and so uh I have been exposed to so much in the classified real world that I can tell you definitively that
...the human race basically the world's biggest
governments uh like the United States our adversaries China and Russia at least as far as I know have had the uh
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occasion to recover craft that have either landed or crashed or both uh in
their territory or even outside of their territories and have taken those back to they're...
And how these programs are super-duper secret, more so than nuclear weapons, are hidden from Congress and FOIA requested because of a Presidential order back in the '50s:

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…the most sensitive of their
programs that they've ever had These programs are uh even more sensitive and more well hidden than uh the Manhattan project was or or the modern nuclear weapons industry and and the um US military and the department of energy
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programs to uh maintain and and upgrade and modernize our nuclear weapons arsenal And so…this is one of the most well-hidden programs It is hidden from congressional oversight and always has been and it was
hidden by the action of the President Eisenhower who instituted presidential emergency action directives during his administration These directives are not shared with Congress
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They were classified They and when the freedom of
information act was instituted in the 70s It is now subject those are not subjected to the freedom of information
act uh request Um this these directives provide cover for actions that are
associated with the…retrieval of these vehicles…
How it is Davis knows all of this super-duper secret stuff and can share it openly is never really addressed. On and on he went, then his presentation finished up with Elizondo recommending that members of Congress get in a classified setting with Davis to here more of his claims:

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Well thank you Dr Davis My recommendation would be at some point here to get you in a classified setting( a SCIF?) like some of the rest of us and you'd already done that before and have a free conversation with some of the representatives who I think would be um really be interested to hear the other part of that conversation…
So, if Luna, seated next to Davis, or any of these other guys, got Davis in a SCIF, something I'm sure he, unlike Grusch, would love to do, no telling what yarns he regaled them with.

Just because they were in a SCIF, doesn't mean the source was reliable.

Thread on the Disclosure Fund and more of Davis, and others' UFO claims made to these same Congress people found here:

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ua...ith-house-oversight-committee-may-2025.14218/
 
How highly would you rate Rep. Luna's ability to recognize something mundane but unfamiliar to her as something mundane, when she has the alternative of believing it to be evidence supporting a strongly held prior opinion?
Compare to Louis Elizondo, who worked in Intelligence, who was so convinced all 3 Navy videos showed something abnormal that he ended his career over it, and has since presented a picture of a reflection of a ceiling light and an aerial photo of an irrigation circle as examples of alien craft.

If even someone like Elizondo can't recognize that these were phenomena with a mundane explanation, what hope do politicians have?

They really need to trust their own experts. Congress has created and funded AARO to have access to a set of experts without an agenda (the lobbying NGOs have an agenda by definition), but if you reject their findings, chances are you have an agenda yourself.
 
Compare to Louis Elizondo, who worked in Intelligence, who was so convinced all 3 Navy videos showed something abnormal that he ended his career over it, and has since presented a picture of a reflection of a ceiling light and an aerial photo of an irrigation circle as examples of alien craft.

If even someone like Elizondo can't recognize that these were phenomena with a mundane explanation, what hope do politicians have?
Luna is not just a politician, though it's questionable whether her previous experience is of any use when it comes to identifying what she calls "nonhuman" creations.
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Luna served as airfield management specialist in the Air National Guard from age 19, serving from 2009 to 2014. For her service, she was awarded the Air Force Achievement Medal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Paulina_Luna

Tim Burchett has a BS in education (U. Tenn./ Knoxville)
Eric Burlison has a BA in philosophy and an MBA, both from Southwest Missouri State.
(Both of these from their respective Wikipedia pages. They sound even less suited for the job of identifying airborne craft.)
 
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Some are more surprised and definitive, like Luna, but I also wouldn't consider these folks to be able to debunk UFO butterflies much, anyway. It's all kind of getting to be farcical. I wish we could put a bunch of them under oath.

I'm not sure putting them under oath would make any difference.
Even if we assumed that everyone put under oath, mindful of its solemnity and the penalties for perjury, always tells the truth, what they believe to be true might not be objectively true.

We know that different people looking at the same photo can "see" different things. The butterfly referred to in @JMartJr's post #165 is a good example, see thread Claim: ''UAP researcher'' released clear smoking gun photo of Orb captured by photographer.
For some years many UFO enthusiasts believed George Adamski's photo of a "Venusian Scout Ship" was real; the same applies to pretty much every UFO photo unless and until it has been shown to be a hoax or misidentification. They want to believe; they place the burden of proof on sceptics.

Personally, I think it's likely Barney Hill believed he had seen a black-coated Nazi with a scarf and weird eyes, and a smiling red-headed man, looking at him from a UFO.

We know highly-trained personnel, having to make decisions about what they can see in literally life-or-death situations, can make errors in identification and misinterpret visual features, in one case misinterpreting features specifically added to aid visual recognition by the personnel concerned, post #59 in thread "How Can Highly Trained Military Pilots Possibly Misinterpret Things They See?"

We know intelligence photo analysts can misinterpret reconnaissance aircraft and satellite imagery, and draw incorrect conclusions.
And we know senior decision makers can interpret, and present, such imagery as evidence for things that do not exist. Satellite imagery was used to support the claims that Iraq had facilities for producing weapons of mass destruction in 2002-2003,

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..the CIA released an unclassified version of its new National Intelligence Estimate on Iraqi WMD, which contained several satellite images of Iraqi facilities of concern. Images were also released at the time President Bush gave an October 7 speech on the Iraqi issue and the following day as part of a Defense Department briefing on Iraqi denial and deception. ...Image 9 is the "Abu Ghurayb BW Facility," which Iraq claimed was a baby milk factory. U.S. intelligence had classified it as biological warfare facility since 1988, and Image 9 is one of several (including some from commercial satellites) presented in the DoD briefing in October 2002 on Iraqi denial and deception.
The National Security Archive [not a USG website], "Eyes on Saddam, U.S. Overhead Imagery of Iraq", ed. Jeffrey T. Richelson 30 April, 2003
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB88/

Many online articles still contend the Abu Ghurayb sire was a BW facility, it might have been, and was struck in the 1991 Gulf War. But this was 2002; and it is highly relevant that after the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Abu Ghurayb complex was not cited as proof of a recent WMD program.

8 days after the President's speech and the release of satellite imagery, the US Congress passed the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autho...ilitary_Force_Against_Iraq_Resolution_of_2002

So I'm not convinced the opinion of individual Congress members about satellite photos is necessarily dependable; and I'm not sure Congress, or Congressional hearings, is/ are always the best way to establish the objective truth about something. Scientific findings should not be determined by the vote of politicians.

Up till now, relevant agencies of the US government have made it clear that there is no testable evidence that leads them to conclude that ETI exists or that UFO sightings have any connection with ETI. There is no testable evidence anywhere of the existence of non-human technology (excepting known instances of tool-use by animals and extinct hominid species).

If the evidence Rep. Luna claims to exist is made public, it can be examined. If it is not made public, it is not evidence of ETI visiting Earth.
It would be the latest in a line of claims that the USG, US agencies or (rather improbably) defense contractors have evidence that UFOs are alien spacecraft which they're not sharing.
 
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Even if we assumed that everyone put under oath, mindful of its solemnity and the penalties for perjury, always tells the truth, what they believe to be true might not be objectively true.
We still might be able to get to the bottom of it by comparing testimony and bringing other folks in as necessary, like a trial.

If the evidence Rep. Luna claims to exist is made public, it can be examined. If it is not made public, it is not evidence of ETI visiting Earth.
It would be the latest in a line of claims that the USG, US agencies or (rather improbably) defense contractors have evidence that UFOs are alien spacecraft which they're not sharing.
Right.
 
We still might be able to get to the bottom of it by comparing testimony and bringing other folks in as necessary, like a trial.

While there are some parallels between the legal process and scientific investigation, using a political or legal setting to determine facts that should be in the realm of scientific investigation would be a retrograde step.
Galileo might have agreed :)

It should be remembered that John Scopes was found guilty of teaching the theory of evolution, in the USA, in 1925 (Wikipedia, Scopes trial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_trial).

The majority of people in the current US Congress appear to be of the opinion that Donald Trump is a President deserving of their support.
 
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