Rep. Luna Requests UAP Video, With a List of Names.

[Todd Feinman]

Death and life are part of the order of things. Suffering is part of life. I don't know we are ready for any big advances; we're pretty much ruining the planet. I'd just watch us from a distance. Might be concerned if one idiot species was going to destroy everything with their stupid missiles and stop that. I'd actually work on trying to make a good portion of humanity sterile with some engineered virus to keep things in balance for the other animals on the planet if I was going down that route!

 

[MapperGuy]

You shouldn't assume that there is something to "inform the American public" about, in this regard. Various entities within the government have publicly stated that no, there is nothing to tell, no, there are no crashed UFOs in custody, and no, there are no otherworldly bodies in cold storage at Wright-Pat. But the people who want to believe otherwise refuse to be convinced, and are demanding "disclosure" when there may be nothing to disclose.

With respect to ALIENS I am quite sure there is nothing to disclose, no crashed saucers, no dead aliens, or live ones. Nobody here but us Humans.

But in their zeal the Disclosure people will try and get things released that might reveal the intel communities souces and methods, those fuzzy videos and photos, things like that that don't really disclose anything but which they want people to see so they can "make up their own minds".

 

[Todd Feinman]

With respect to ALIENS I am quite sure there is nothing to disclose, no crashed saucers, no dead aliens, or live ones. Nobody here but us Humans.

But in their zeal the Disclosure people will try and get things released that might reveal the intel communities souces and methods, those fuzzy videos and photos, things like that that don't really disclose anything but which they want people to see so they can "make up their own minds".

What the heck is going on in the SCIFs? Some people say they have seen these things close enough to see them pretty clearly --so perhaps not in LIZ --so they must be lying or just mistaken?

 

[Eburacum]

Some of them are lying, some are mistaken. The truth is never simple.

 

[JMartJr]

What the heck is going on in the SCIFs? Some people say they have seen these things close enough to see them pretty clearly --so perhaps not in LIZ --so they must be lying or just mistaken?

How highly would you rate Rep. Luna's ability to recognize something mundane but unfamiliar to her as something mundane, when she has the alternative of believing it to be evidence supporting a strongly held prior opinion? (Not picking on her exclusively, I could ask the same of Rep. Burchett or several others. In fact, I hereby do so! ^_^)

And a wonderful side-advantage of showing them in a SCIF and insisting they are too sensitive to be shown anywhere else is that people who are actually good at recognizing this stuff can't see it and spoil the fun by saying, "Wait, it's a butterfly*" or balloon or Starlink flare or...

*It is worth noting that a picture of a butterfly was touted as the "smoking gun" UFO image, with appendages projecting and a visible "field" and lasers and stuff. None of that was actually visible in the photo -- butterflies do not have laser nor do they generate visible energy fields, and while they DO have appendages these were not visible in the photo. "I aw pictures/videos of something that is definitely a structured craft made with out-of-this-world super technology" has zero value without the ability to put more eyes on it, just in case it is totally wrong and just a butterfly... https://www.metabunk.org/threads/cl...-photo-of-orb-captured-by-photographer.13182/

 

[Todd Feinman]

Right, if you listen to what they say, now including Steve Scalise, they are so vague it seems like the videos might be in the LIZ, and because they looking for unexplainable things, they were given the butterflies. Some are more surprised and definitive, like Luna, but I also wouldn't consider these folks to be able to debunk UFO butterflies much, anyway. It's all kind of getting to be farcical. I wish we could put a bunch of them under oath.

 

[Eburacum]

That really wouldn't help much. They remember what they remember, but it may not bear much relationship to the actual events. Which is why Metabunk relies largely on photos and videos, and other data that can be examined without misrepresentation and misremembering.

 

[NorCal Dave]

What the heck is going on in the SCIFs? Some people say they have seen these things close enough to see them pretty clearly --so perhaps not in LIZ --so they must be lying or just mistaken?

Another thing to keep in mind, we don't know who is presenting stuff in these SCIFs. For example, on May 1 of last year, Mellon's Disclosure Fund group put on a presentation with the UAP caucus' members Luna, Burchete, Burlison and Begich as well as Loeb, Gallaudt and Eric Davis, with Elizondo acting as host and moderator:

Note Eric Davis in the casual Friday Aloha shirt sitting next to Luna.

Davis went on to make a number of claims including the usual secret UFO crash retrieval programs:

8:23
assessment and so uh I have been exposed to so much in the classified real world that I can tell you definitively that
...the human race basically the world's biggest
governments uh like the United States our adversaries China and Russia at least as far as I know have had the uh
8:45
occasion to recover craft that have either landed or crashed or both uh in
their territory or even outside of their territories and have taken those back to they're...

And how these programs are super-duper secret, more so than nuclear weapons, are hidden from Congress and FOIA requested because of a Presidential order back in the '50s:

8:50
…the most sensitive of their
programs that they've ever had These programs are uh even more sensitive and more well hidden than uh the Manhattan project was or or the modern nuclear weapons industry and and the um US military and the department of energy
9:10
programs to uh maintain and and upgrade and modernize our nuclear weapons arsenal And so…this is one of the most well-hidden programs It is hidden from congressional oversight and always has been and it was
hidden by the action of the President Eisenhower who instituted presidential emergency action directives during his administration These directives are not shared with Congress
9:30
They were classified They and when the freedom of
information act was instituted in the 70s It is now subject those are not subjected to the freedom of information
act uh request Um this these directives provide cover for actions that are
associated with the…retrieval of these vehicles…

How it is Davis knows all of this super-duper secret stuff and can share it openly is never really addressed. On and on he went, then his presentation finished up with Elizondo recommending that members of Congress get in a classified setting with Davis to here more of his claims:

15:29
Well thank you Dr Davis My recommendation would be at some point here to get you in a classified setting( a SCIF?) like some of the rest of us and you'd already done that before and have a free conversation with some of the representatives who I think would be um really be interested to hear the other part of that conversation…

So, if Luna, seated next to Davis, or any of these other guys, got Davis in a SCIF, something I'm sure he, unlike Grusch, would love to do, no telling what yarns he regaled them with.

Just because they were in a SCIF, doesn't mean the source was reliable.

Thread on the Disclosure Fund and more of Davis, and others' UFO claims made to these same Congress people found here:

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ua...ith-house-oversight-committee-may-2025.14218/

 

[JMartJr]

Just because they were in a SCIF, doesn't mean the source was reliable.

This. Very much, this.

And that is as true for the one bringing information INTO the SCIF as it the one reporting on what they saw in there.