Flight MH370 Speculation

[TWCobra]

Jason, first I am not a 777 pilot but have 10000+ hours on the 747 and 767.

I have stated since day 2 of this search that the most likely, being purely a measure of probability; cause for this was pilot intervention. I got to that point by using occams razor. Every one of the other options requires too many coincidences, pre-planning, BS scenarios and too many people to keep quiet. Conspiracy theories all have those same flaws.

I can't rule out other causes definitively. But the "ghost plane" theory requires a specific major malfunction that knocked out all comms instantaneously, then knocked out the crew, but allowed the aircraft to keep flying for eight hours and make two course changes after the supposed incident. It is a very unlikely scenario but not impossible.

The terrorist options requires pilot qualified terrorists to overpower the cabin crew, somehow get into the flight deck, overpower both pilots and then fly off and never be seen again. No such passengers have been identified by worldwide agencies whose job is to do that. So... Possible but highly unlikely.

We are really only left with pilot intervention, but for that you need a motive. The opportunity is there. It happened in February with Ethiopian airlines; except the first officer on that aircraft only wanted asylum. I dont know if either of the pilots had a strong motive to do this, but barring that it is still the most likely scenario. That doesn't mean it definately happened that way.

 

[Balance]

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/591...neer-on-flight-mh370-posts-photo-from-prison/
I'm not practised in geo co-ordinates but the linked photo exif data I tried on google maps came out in the phillipines

 

[Jason]

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/591...neer-on-flight-mh370-posts-photo-from-prison/
I'm not practised in geo co-ordinates but the linked photo exif data I tried on google maps came out in the phillipines

why wouldn't he just call someone in that situation. Why try to send a text while managing to take a photo of yourself while blindfolded. I would also assume that if your blindfolded, there would be no reason to uncuf them as well. Its gotta be hoax

 

[deirdre]

Those flight recorders will only transmit a signal for another week. If it's not found by then, I suppose they'll probably call off the search. Which is very sad to think about, but sustaining a search effort after the recorders stopped transmitting is just not feasible.

Even finding debris from that plane after this much time wouldn't provide much of a clue given how far it could have drifted away from it's origins.

I would imagine they want the plane pieces to examine.

 

[Balance]

I would imagine they want the plane pieces to examine.

The most important piece being the black box as it should have stored a lot of data.

 

[Jason]

The most important piece being the black box as it should have stored a lot of data.

Its also important to note that since there's been so much speculation and we're dealing with the death of 239 people that even if the black box was recovered its contents wouldn't be shared with the world, especially not the media. They decided to do the same thing on 9-11, and even then I think they only shared the recording with some family members

 

[Pete Tar]

Has that been the case in past fatal aircrashes? Why would lots of speculation make them more likely to with-hold the truth?

 

[TWCobra]

The most important piece being the black box as it should have stored a lot of data.

The FDR will show the data from the last 25 hours of flying time. they should be able to determine a lot from that.

The CVR will only have the last two hours of conversation/sounds from the flight deck. A normal flight deck, even in the dead of night, is never silent for two whole hours. What is there or what is not there, may be very instructive.

Jason, they do put out transcripts of the CVRs. There is one for Egyptair 990. 9/11 was a special case.

 

[deirdre]

The FDR will show the data from the last 25 hours of flying time. they should be able to determine a lot from that.

The CVR will only have the last two hours of conversation/sounds from the flight deck. A normal flight deck, even in the dead of night, is never silent for two whole hours. What is there or what is not there, may be very instructive.

Jason, they do put out transcripts of the CVRs. There is one for Egyptair 990. 9/11 was a special case.

if the important stuff is a 25 hour record, why did the press say the black box only records 2 hours? very misleading.

The memory boards have enough digital storage space to accommodate two hours of audio data for CVRs and 25 hours of flight data for FDRs.
Airplanes are equipped with sensors that gather data. There are sensors that detect acceleration, airspeed, altitude, flap settings, outside temperature, cabin temperature and pressure, engine performance and more. Magnetic-tape recorders can track about 100 parameters, while solid-state recorders can track more than 700 in larger aircraft http://science.howstuffworks.com/transport/flight/modern/black-box2.htm

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and why do they spend all that time piecing together airplanes after crashes if the FDR records 700 parameters? that sounds like just about everything.

 

[TWCobra]

Because the press knows nothing about aviation. The "black box" term is lazy journalism. There are two different recorders, neither of them are black. The two hour limit on CVR's is negotiated by various pilot associationsas it is only supposed to be used to investigate accidents but already there have been attempts to use it to prosecute pilots for negligence.

They only piece aircraft back together these days if they suspect bombings or structural failure.

 

[Jazzy]

That's the question. Hmmm. I must say I agree this CT has punch. I need more time to mull it over...

 

[Jason]

That's the question. Hmmm. I must say I agree this CT has punch. I need more time to mull it over...

http://deadlinelive.info/2014/03/19...y-to-protect-suspicious-cargo-newest-updates/..
I know its just a CT story, but as I noted earlier this one seems to have legs. Of all the whacko CT's out there I find that this one makes the most sense from a CT perspective.

Malaysian Flight 370 Hijacked by US Navy to protect ‘Suspicious Cargo’ – Russia

15 Mar 2014 A new report circulating in the Kremlin prepared by the Russian Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces (GRU) states that Aerospace Defence Forces (VKO) experts remain “puzzled” as to why the United States Navy “captured and then diverted” a Malaysia Airlines civilian aircraft from its intended flight-path to their vast and highly-secretive Indian Ocean base located on the Diego Garcia atoll… Interesting to note, this report says, was that Flight 370 was already under GRU “surveillance” after it received a “highly suspicious” cargo load that had been traced to the Indian Ocean nation Republic of Seychelles, and where it had previously been aboard the US-flagged container ship MV Maersk Alabama. What first aroused GRU suspicions regarding the MV Maersk Alabama, this report continues, was thatwithin 24-hours of off-loading this “highly suspicious” cargo load bound for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the two highly-trained US Navy SEALS assigned to protect it, Mark Daniel Kennedy, 43, and Jeffrey Keith Reynolds, 44, were found dead under “suspicious circumstances.” (Allegedly, Heroin overdoses which caused them to have heart attacks.)



Russia “Puzzled” Over Malaysia Airlines “Capture” By US Navy
A new report circulating in the Kremlin today prepared by the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces (GRU) states that Aerospace Defence Forces (VKO) experts remain “puzzled” as to why the United States Navy “captured and then diverted” a Malaysia Airlines civilian aircraft from its intended flight-path to their vast and highly-secretive Indian Ocean base located on the Diego Garcia atoll.




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Missing Malaysia Airlines plane: plea to US to release Pine Gap data –Information ‘being withheld’

19 Mar 2014 Malaysia believes data from US spy satellites monitored in Australia could help find missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 but the information is being withheld. The country’s Defence Minister Hishammuddin Hussein has specifically asked the US to share information obtained from the Pine Gap base near Alice Springs, according to the government[as opposed to corporate]-controlled New Straits Times newspaper. The New Straits Times newspaper on Wednesday led its coverage of the missing plane with a story referring to Pine Gap as a “super-secret” installation in the barren Australian heartland that could solve the puzzle of the mystery disappearance. The newspaper quoted Mr Hishammuddin as saying Malaysia would “appreciate” if the US could provide investigators with data from its facilities in Australia. [Pine Gap: 'Partly run by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency and the U.S. National Security Agency, the station is a key contributor to the global surveillance network ECHELON.']


Malaysian plane: 20 passengers worked for ELECTRONIC WARFARE and MILITARY RADAR firm

18 Mar 2014 A US technology company which had 20 senior staff on board Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 had just launched a new electronic warfare gadget for military radar systems in the days before the Boeing 777 went missing. Freescale Semiconductor, which makes powerful microchips for industries including defence, released the powerful new products to the American market on March 3. Five days later, Flight MH370 took off from Kuala Lumpur with 239 people on board including 20 working for Freescale. Freescale’s shareholders include the Carlyle Group [!] whose past advisers have included ex-US president George Bush Sr and former British Prime Minister John Major. Carlyle’s previous heavyweight clients include the Saudi Binladin Group, the construction firm owned by the family of Osama bin Laden.

* Freescale introduces amazingly small ARM MCU


Freescale Semiconductor is introducing one of the smallest ARM based Microcontroller Units (MCUs) ever, a chip that is roughly the size of a dimple on a golf ball—the Kinetis KL03. Because of its extremely small size, the company is positioning the MCU as an important step towards the development of the concept known as “The Internet of Things.”



Stealth Technology Seizure Behind MH370 Disappearance – Analyst

17 Mar 2014 Malaysian Airlines flight 370 was deliberately targeted for hijacking, according to Captain Field McConnell, a retired Delta Airlines pilot and a retired United States Air Force F4 and F16 fighter pilot. Capt. McConnell cites industrial espionage for a cutting edge military technology as the reason behind the airliner’s disappearance. “There were 20 Chinese software engineers in the aircraft, riding as passengers, and they were working for Freescale Technology in Austin, Texas, and they had the intellectual property of an open patent.

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I honestly don't know how reputable this site is, but they aren't the only ones reporting this. Some believe it was over patents and others believe it was over top secret stolen us hardware. I wonder if this is actually coming out of the Kremlin?

 

[Gregor]

Agreed. But, however, rather than a "conspiracy" or "cover-up" is there merely a potential for bureaucratic "mucking up" and bungling?

Until and unless we get more facts, I'm going to go with simple Human tendency to be "wrong" more often than not. Especially when 'politics' (or the perception of political "Life") are involved.

So we now have a situation where the lack of combined effort between two investigative groups resulted in three days of searching in an area 600 miles southwest of what is now recognized as the most likely search area. The current search area is based on analysis of the airplane flight characteristics and the data received from the in Inmarsat satellite pings. The mathematical process of analyzing the satellite data is new and unproven. There appears to be a great deal of confidence in the analysis of the data. What if it’s flawed? What if the eyewitnesses in the Maldives Islands actually did see flight 370 as it flew overhead at very low altitude in what would have been less than an hour before it ran out of fuel. The people in the town and the fisherman was out on the water at the time would have been unaware that the aircraft was missing when the incident occurred. Why is it that only the local police have been tasked to question the eyewitnesses? What type of radar to the islands have that would lead the investigative team to believe that the Maldives radar and monitoring was superior to Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam? That’s a lot of what if’s, don’t you think?

 

[Hama Neggs]

I thought they were searching that earlier area due to seeing "hundreds" of pieces of something in satellite images. Did that turn out to be nothing? How was that determined? A lot of this searching effort looks like a Keystone Cops skit.

 

[Jason]

What if it’s flawed? What if the eyewitnesses in the Maldives Islands actually did see flight 370 as it flew overhead at very low altitude in what would have been less than an hour before it ran out of fuel. The people in the tow

There appears to be a great deal of confidence in the analysis of the data. What if it’s flawed? What if the eyewitnesses in the Maldives Islands actually did see flight 370 as it flew overhead at very low altitude in what would have been less than an hour before it ran out of fuel. The people in the town and the fisherman was out on the water at the time would have been unaware that the aircraft was missing when the incident occurred. Why is it that only the local police have been tasked to question the eyewitnesses? What type of radar to the islands have that would lead the investigative team to believe that the Maldives radar and monitoring was superior to Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam? That’s a lot of what if’s, don’t you think?

I totally agree with your opinion. I've brought up the sighting in the Maldives several times, and each time it gets met with "why did the report surface a week after the fact", or "its been disproven already and found to be untrue". Based on what? You make a great point about an "assumption" as to whether or not we're expected to believe that the Maldives radar capabilities is superior to that of Malaysia and the surrounding countries. The fisherman and residents that witnessed this plane had no idea what they were actually witnessing. They didn't know about a missing flight on the morning "of". Also if the plane was flying low, if we are to believe the residents of the Maldives, then wouldn't it also be correct to assume it was flying below the line of sight of radar. Also with a sighting of this nature, shouldn't we expect the investigative authorities to make a trip out to the Maldives to examine every possibility. Why entrust local police in the Maldives?

 

[Trailspotter]

I wonder if this is actually coming out of the Kremlin?

I do not think this is coming out of the Kremlin. I have found no mentioning of the alleged document in Russian media. Some tabloid-like newspapers have mentioned Diego Garcia at the end of March, after the appearance of this CT in foreign sources.

 

[Jason]

I do not think this is coming out of the Kremlin. I have found no mentioning of the alleged document in Russian media. Some tabloid-like newspapers have mentioned Diego Garcia at the end of March, after the appearance of this CT in foreign sources.

OT, how is it possible to search media coming out of foreign country. When ever I try to do searches for media sources in a foreign country I end up with our sources covering the news in that part of the world. How do you search net as if you were actually living in Russia is what I mean?

 

[Jazzy]

This seems to incorporate the same idea?

 

[Trailspotter]

OT, how is it possible to search media coming out of foreign country. When ever I try to do searches for media sources in a foreign country I end up with our sources covering the news in that part of the world. How do you search net as if you were actually living in Russia is what I mean?

Russia is not that foreign to me, I was born and grew up there. I occasionally read Russian social networks and news sites, and can search net in Russian without problem.

 

[Mick West]

OT, how is it possible to search media coming out of foreign country. When ever I try to do searches for media sources in a foreign country I end up with our sources covering the news in that part of the world. How do you search net as if you were actually living in Russia is what I mean?

Use google.ru and Russian language search terms
https://www.google.ru/#newwindow=1&q=370&tbm=nws

Use google translate to get the search term in Russian:
http://translate.google.com/#auto/ru/flight 370

Then paste the result (полет 370) into google.ru, and use Chrome's translate feature to read the results, which will give you other links:
http://www.interfax.ru/world/368793



Result:

 

[Jason]

Russia is not that foreign to me, I was born and grew up there. I occasionally read Russian social networks and news sites, and can search net in Russian without problem.

I don't doubt for a second you couldn't understand it. Mick answered my question though, and it was about how to search for media in a foreign nation without getting US media outlets...

 

[Pete Tar]

I honestly don't know how reputable this site is, but they aren't the only ones reporting this. Some believe it was over patents and others believe it was over top secret stolen us hardware. I wonder if this is actually coming out of the Kremlin?

It came out of Sorcha Faal's arse.
The subsequent reports are people just putting together any event that has to with military technology or anything that captures their fevered imaginations.

 

[Gregor]

I thought they were searching that earlier area due to seeing "hundreds" of pieces of something in satellite images. Did that turn out to be nothing? How was that determined? A lot of this searching effort looks like a Keystone Cops skit.

The experts on the airplane and the experts on the satellite got together and decided they were looking in the wrong place so they abandoned that search area for their best guess area. Keeps you wondering what all those hundreds of objects actually were, doesn't it?

 

[Trailspotter]

Mick answered my question though, and it was about how to search for media in a foreign nation without getting US media outlets...

Yes, he did. It is a general approach, and I regularly use it myself to search for the texts containing particular words and phrases in other languages. But beware of things that may be lost in translation. For example, 'flight' in Russian is indeed 'полет', but 'flight' followed by a number is 'рейс'. Therefore, search for 'полет MH370' is likely to end up with many 'lazy' Russian translations of original English articles, whereas search for 'рейс MH370' may produce some original Russian publications.

 

[Simon Gunson]

Jason, first I am not a 777 pilot but have 10000+ hours on the 747 and 767.

I have stated since day 2 of this search that the most likely, being purely a measure of probability; cause for this was pilot intervention. I got to that point by using occams razor. Every one of the other options requires too many coincidences, pre-planning, BS scenarios and too many people to keep quiet. Conspiracy theories all have those same flaws.

I can't rule out other causes definitively. But the "ghost plane" theory requires a specific major malfunction that knocked out all comms instantaneously, then knocked out the crew, but allowed the aircraft to keep flying for eight hours and make two course changes after the supposed incident. It is a very unlikely scenario but not impossible...

Using Occams Razor it helps to discard the most significant B/S scenario hampering logical analysis. MH370 never flew to the Straits of Malacca.

The claim of "two course changes" is a total fabrication by the Malaysian authorities. MH370 gave a transponder return at 17:26 UTC that it was turning east from 025 to 040 at 471kts (IGARI-BITOD)




Malaysian Military radar at RMAF Butterworth never tracked MH370 flying from IGARI across the Malay Peninsula. This image taken on day 4, March 11th 2014 showed a Vietnamese search official displaying news from the Malaysians about an aircraft which they had tracked in the Straits of Malacca. Notice nothing in the Malaysian plot connected with IGARI.

There were bizarre claims that it was tracked by military radar climbing to 45,000ft. A physical impossibility because by IGARI, 9M-MRO would have been about 258,000kg by IGARI and too heavy to climb so high. The truth is that just beyond IGARI the transponder contact would have been lost by the aircraft flying beyond the radar horizon from Kuala Lumpur.

the clincher however has to be the INMARSAT Burst Offset Frequency chart released 24 March 2014. In that chart which pretends to show an aircraft flying west until 18:25 UTC nobody seems to have noticed that the Malaysians have reversed the data to suggest an aircraft flying west.

If you follow the UTC time scale along the bottom shows a ping at 17:08 UTC for which the graph shows frequency increasing.

The principle of Doppler shift requires that if MH370 flew towards the INMARSAT satellite then frequency would increase but we know from radar tracking that at this time the aircraft was flying east away from the satellite. Infact the Burst Offset Frequency graph does not show it flying the opposite direction until 18:25 UTC but the Malaysians have stated that they lost contact with MH370 on military radar flying west from the Straits of Malacca at 18:15 UTC. Vietnamese Military radar however tracked MH370 until 18:40 UTC and the Straits of Malacca are far beyond the radar horizon from Vietnam so they can't both be right.

The truth is the Malaysian authorities inverted the Offset Frequency data.

We know that if it was flying east then the frequency would reduce. We know ATC radar continued to track MH370 flying east until 17:27 UTC and the corresponding plot on the graph conversely shows frequency increase (flying west). The data has been inverted to conceal MH370 actually flew east until 18:25 UTC.

 

[Simon Gunson]

Has that been the case in past fatal aircrashes? Why would lots of speculation make them more likely to with-hold the truth?

A simple clue to answer your question is the emergency landing made at Hong Kong on 24 March 2014 by MH066. This was an airliner equipped with four different generator sources, yet it landed with only the APU working.

For MH066 to have landed on just one generator, it must have taken off with two unservicable.

To put it more bluntly what Malaysia might have motive to hide is an appalling maintenance record for 9M-MRO the missing Boeing 777-200ER. If it were ever discovered that MH370 was downed by an out of control generator fire, or worse that they had failed to replace non electrically conductive oxygen hoses as required to do after April 2012 and it turns out that an electrical failure led to a melted oxygen hose melting the cockpit structure to cause explosive decompression, then Malaysia Airlines could find itself banned from US and European airspace.

That's a huge incentive to lie and cover up.

 

[TWCobra]

There are a lot of claims there Simon. What are your sources? Specifically the claim about the Vietnamese radar?

 

[Jason]

And if it did show up on Vietnamese Radar why would the Vietnamese government keep that quiet, what's their motive for doing so? Also, haven't the service records of flight 370 been examined in great detail already, as in any airplanes' presumable disappearance due to mechanical failure...

 

[WeedWhacker]

A simple clue to answer your question is the emergency landing made at Hong Kong on 24 March 2014 by MH066. This was an airliner equipped with four different generator sources, yet it landed with only the APU working.
For MH066 to have landed on just one generator, it must have taken off with two unservicable.

I am not sure we can jump to that conclusion, from the various media stories (keeping in mind the penchant for journalists to often get details wrong).

Could very well just have been one engine generator failure, and then the Captain's abundance of caution which led to the diversion (and also the intense media attention). Another thing to consider is that it was within hours of darkness (original departure from Kuala Lumpur at 2337 local). Landed in Hong Kong at 0253 local.

Another thought (and those with more specific knowledge of Malaysian Airlines' flight operations department details) is that Hong Kong was more suitable for maintenance needs than Incheon, S. Korea.

But, there could be reason to fully investigate all aspects of Malaysia Airlines' on-going maintenance deficiencies, excessive MEL deferments, etc (if this is indeed a disturbing pattern at the airline).

Adding (I am not very familiar with Airbus products as I am with Boeing ("TWCobra' is the go-to guy for the A330), I am able to research online and find details to review. A partial list of the A330 electrical components (I will spare everyone the schematics):



Note that the "emergency generator" driven by hydraulic pressure is of a much smaller output capacity then any of the other three.

 

[Joe]

Conspiracy Theorist Dr Kevin Barrett http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Barrett Says its the Israelis on Iran TV .

 

[Simon Gunson]

There are a lot of claims there Simon. What are your sources? Specifically the claim about the Vietnamese radar?

ADS-B transponder updates were plotted until 17:26 UTC when MH370 turned east from 025 to 040 and had just reduced from 473kt to 471kt



An online English translation of Tuoi Tre, a leading daily in Vietnam (which I can't relocate now) said in the first week of the search that Vietnamese military radar tracked the flight until 18:40 GMT citing Navy Admiral Ngo Van Phat, Commander of Region 5.

Basic phyiscs don't lie...only their misinterpretation deceives.

the Doppler shift principle requires that the Burst Offset frequency should decrease as an aircraft flies away from INMARSAT however by simple cross corroboration of UTC time lines we can demonstrate that the same increase in signal frequency offset was observed both before and after MH370 left radar surveillance, ergo the signal data must be inverted.

 

[Jason]

Basic phyiscs don't lie...only their misinterpretation deceives.

So your saying the data is correct, but the "assumptions" used in calculating the location of the plane are incorrect. Why would inmarsat lie about what their findings were when they have no connection to Malaysian Airlines? What would be their motive to aid Malaysian Airlines in deceiving the world, especially when as you say the physics can be tested and checked? Right, I mean Inmarsat is an company based in England, and aren't they the ones that interpreted the data?

 

[Simon Gunson]

And if it did show up on Vietnamese Radar why would the Vietnamese government keep that quiet, what's their motive for doing so? Also, haven't the service records of flight 370 been examined in great detail already, as in any airplanes' presumable disappearance due to mechanical failure...

To the contrary there has been no release of data about maintenance logs for 9M-MRO by the Malaysian Government which I am aware of. A service Bulletin in April 2012 required replacement of electrically conductive pilot oxygen hoses within 18 months, following an oxygen fed cockpit fire on an Egyptair B772 awaiting pushback in 2011.

That fire arose from electrical shorting in the avionics bay, but an anti-kink spring in the hose acted like a bar heater and melted the hose then ignited the oxygen which burned a hole in the hull beneath the cockpit window. Translate this potentially to a similar event in MH370 where an initial electrical fault could have caused a turnback, then a fire in the cockpit followed leading to explosive decompression. After such an event once the oxygen was exhausted there would be insufficient oxygen at 35,000ft to sustain the fire so it would go out leaving the aircraft still flying on autopilot.



We have no insight into what the part numbers were for pilot oxygen lines in the cockpit of 9M-MRO when it disappeared and I give very little chance the Malaysians would allow any embarrassing information to leak out.

The Vietnamese were basically told on day 4 thanks but no thanks we don't need you anymore because the aircraft flew into the Straits of Malacca, but that in itself was misleading since there was no radar plot from IGARI to VAMPI. A Malaysian Air force General made this clear on 14 March.

I don't know every motive and every potential sub-plot but I do know inconsistencies in the evidence when I see them.

 

[Simon Gunson]

So your saying the data is correct, but the "assumptions" used in calculating the location of the plane are incorrect. Why would inmarsat lie about what their findings were when they have no connection to Malaysian Airlines? What would be their motive to aid Malaysian Airlines in deceiving the world, especially when as you say the physics can be tested and checked? Right, I mean Inmarsat is an company based in England, and aren't they the ones that interpreted the data?

I never said INMARSAT lied. What I said was:

nobody seems to have noticed that the Malaysians have reversed the data to suggest an aircraft flying west.

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The alternative is that the satellite itself may have inverted the signal data through an electronic process.

The data has certainly not been correctly interpreted, whether that was by incompetence or by malice.

 

[WeedWhacker]

That fire arose from electrical shorting in the avionics bay, but an anti-kink spring in the hose acted like a bar heater and melted the hose then ignited the oxygen which burned a hole in the hull beneath the cockpit window. Translate this potentially to a similar event in MH370 where an initial electrical fault could have caused a turnback, then a fire in the cockpit followed leading to explosive decompression.

Whilst I appreciate this insight (this seems to fit into the category of "speculation"), and citing the EgyptAir example, since I have had a similar personal experience with an electrical spark that affected the crew O2. This was on a Swearingen SA-226. small commuter type of airplane (19 passengers maximum, so no Flight Attendant).

I am only alive, today (I surmise), because it occurred on the ground, and we all evacuated safely. ( I still have a vivid recollection of standing at the bottom of the forward, Main door, and my legs near the still rotating propeller as i directed people AWAY and forward, as they exited).

Picture of the airplane (not the same exact one, of course)...although it might be(**), I flew for "Golden Gate" previously...1980 - 1981, until they ceased operations...):

(**) I just looked up that N-number, and that airplane was exported to Panama...in 1998. Don't know who owned it from 1981 until then.


My incident (I thought) was limited to the types of airplane designs that weren't in compliance with more stringent regulations, as seen imposed on larger commercial airliners. Also, it was in 1981. A minor accumulation of hydraulic fluid in the cockpit sidewall insulation (direct-reading hydraulic pressure gauges, not remote repeaters). A spark from the instrument lights dimmer rheostat provided ignition. The O2 line was plastic.

(Interestingly, the airplane was repaired, and dubbed the "City of Phoenix" when that city was subsequently added to the airline's route system)

 

[WeedWhacker]

Just something recently posted on YouTube, I thought it might be interesting to many, should the FDR and CVR of MH370 ever be recovered, and IF the NTSB is called in to help:

 

[Jason]

I never said INMARSAT lied. What I said was:

nobody seems to have noticed that the Malaysians have reversed the data to suggest an aircraft flying west.

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The alternative is that the satellite itself may have inverted the signal data through an electronic process.

The data has certainly not been correctly interpreted, whether that was by incompetence or by malice.

Are the Malaysians the only one interpreting the data from Inmarsat? Wasn't the data interpreted from Inmarsat themselves, and handed over to the Malaysian authorities? And if you've been able to figure this out, if true, wouldn't like minded investigators already have seen that they misrepresented the data as well? What would be the motives for the investigators, which from what I understand come from several countries like Australia to name one, to not disclose this false interpretation of the data. Wouldn't it be the easiest and quickest route for an investigator to determine cause?

 

[Jason]

I never said INMARSAT lied. What I said was:

nobody seems to have noticed that the Malaysians have reversed the data to suggest an aircraft flying west.

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The alternative is that the satellite itself may have inverted the signal data through an electronic process.

The data has certainly not been correctly interpreted, whether that was by incompetence or by malice.

I would really like to see your source for the Vietnamese radar contact. If true, I think it would be important to take a look at. But I agree with WeedWhacker in that this fits into the "speculation" category for now. But I do like how you went about your business.

 

[Andy]

Hi @Simon Gunson
Your claims about Inmarsat's Graph & Doppler Shift are outrageous !
You are misleading the public and that's why I am passing through, to debunk YOU !

Take this for example:

Infact the Burst Offset Frequency graph does not show it flying the opposite direction

Wrong ! The "Burst Offset Frequency graph" does not show direction AT ALL !
Mate !
It is a simplistic graph of the DIFFERENCE in Hz between 'pings', made that way because essentially the whole time between 'pings' the aircraft is 'moving away'
The y axis is NOT baseline 0 (the original freq.), nor does the y axis have a label as such - it says "Offset"
Get it ? "Offset", "Offset", "Offset"
However, the dips in the graph can show a slight trend in direction.

To show direction properly you must have a graph y axis baseline ZERO (The TX freq.) +ve in Hz above, -ve in Hz below
(The plots being the frequency as received at the receiver(RX))
This type of graph is what you are confusing it with !

To show Westward movement, the plane must be DIRECTLY moving Westward at the EXACT time of a 'ping' !!!!!!!!!
Do you understand ?
The SAT would then receive that ping at a frequency ABOVE the source TX, if that had happened they would not have been able to use the Graph they did.
If you are so "addicted to the ongoing drama of Malaysian Airlines MH370" then you will know Inmarsat stated the plane was always essentially moving away from the SAT.

DIRECTLY moving Westward at the EXACT time of a 'ping' would compress the wave of the transmission resulting in an apparent increase in freq. as received(RX) at the SAT. - it seems this you understand.

The truth is the Malaysian authorities inverted the Offset Frequency data.

1. Wrong ! The graph is made by Inmarsat, not the Malaysians !
2. Wrong ! The graph only shows DIFFERENCE in Hz and there is nothing wrong with that, but YOU have it in your head the experts are wrong you even invert the damn thing here
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/mh...he-southern-trajectory.3348/page-2#post-98664
What's wrong is you cant see it for what 'it is'.

Take a step back dude seriously, you are misleading people.
Let me ask you straight, which is more likely here:
1. The Inmarsat experts are wrong and the people they independently had concur their findings before release ?
2. You don't understand what the experts are demonstrating ?

Please think about this before you go clean up your posts, because sadly there is more parts of your posts I need quoting.
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[Ray Robertson]

They did not say the frequency increased though, unless there somewhere is an official report publicized stating that. The graph displays "frequency offset". That ofset could be negative for what we know.