Bernard Eastlund's Connection to HAARP

[Jay Reynolds]

If the evidence is indeed conclusive, then I think you really need to consider why you are having such a hard time communicating your message.

Why do you think that is?

Maybe he should stick with patristics?

 

[electrojet]

Hi all,


I am working on a post that will address your resistance to the fact that rf transmitters significantly effect weather. It also will be shown that Eastlund claims match demonstrated capability. HAARP public relations data is alternately incomplete and incorrect. The experiments and science is much more robust than HAARP media relations state, as always, this is not my claim-it exists in peer reviewed published documents. I suspect this is partly responsible for the clouded understanding and resistance to geoengineering. Disinformation such as The Skeptoid doesn't help either. I am going to source you into oblivion. This is taking much more time than I had imagined.


Did anyone directly answer my question re; do RF transmitters both create and modify gravity waves. Y or N _____ ?


Definition of NONLINEAR :

Mathematics designating or involving an equation whose terms are not of the first degree.
Physics involving a lack of linearity between two related qualities such as input and output.
Mathematics involving measurement in more than one dimension.
not linear, sequential, or straightforward; random:
Joyce's stream-of-consciousness, nonlinear narrative

-from the oxford dictionary.


Q: Did Bernard Eastlund claim in his patent that nonlinear effects would occur in rf heating ? A: Y


Are nonlinear results observed in ionospheric modification? A: Yes


Did Tesla and Eastlund model nonlinear electromagnetic effects? A: Yes


Is this effect scientifically modeled elsewhere? A: Yes


Do plasma physics and rf experiments demonstrate that the paradigm 'rf heaters really are inconsequential compared with solar effects' is wrong. A: Yes


Do gravity waves have a significant effect on meridional circulation and polar circulation ? A: Yes


lotek, I'll be addressing your points one by one conclusively showing that the skeptoid is bunk.


Solrey, have you read Loeb and Meeks The Mechanism of the Electric Spark yet?
What is your understanding of downwelling of the polar vortex and dynamic coupling ?


Well wishes to all,


Bryan

 

[scombrid]

Do plasma physics and rf experiments demonstrate that the paradigm 'rf heaters really are inconsequential compared with solar effects' is wrong. A: Yes

Every experiment reference in this thread shows that "rf heaters" are inconsequential compared to the sun.

Do gravity waves have a significant effect on meridional circulation and polar circulation ? A: Yes

Gravity waves are a property of pretty much all fluids.

Can heating tiny bits of ionosphere affect gravity waves in the lower atmosphere?

 

[Jazzy]

do RF transmitters both create and modify gravity waves. Y or N _____ ?

Yes. To the degree of the amount of energy they can insert into the atmosphere per unit volume.

Physics involving a lack of linearity between two related qualities such as input and output. Mathematics involving measurement in more than one dimension. not linear, sequential, or straightforward; random

Complicated, then.

Joyce's stream-of-consciousness, nonlinear narrative - from the oxford dictionary

You mean Maxwell's Silver Hammer.

Did Bernard Eastlund claim in his patent that nonlinear effects would occur in rf heating? Are nonlinear results observed in ionospheric modification? Did Tesla and Eastlund model nonlinear electromagnetic effects? Is this effect scientifically modeled elsewhere?

Yes, but...

Do plasma physics and rf experiments demonstrate that the paradigm 'rf heaters really are inconsequential compared with solar effects' is wrong?

Not in my opinion.

Do gravity waves have a significant effect on meridional circulation and polar circulation?

Yes, they do. (Peeking at Scombrid's post - of course those circulations are in the atmosphere beneath the thermosphere, and what he writes is true. The atmosphere beneath is so much more energetic and dense).

Can you affect the tides by throwing a stone into the sea?

 

[Jay Reynolds]

Hi all, I am going to source you into oblivion. This is taking much more time than I had imagined.

Electrojet, is it accurate to say that your previous book states that the Giza Pyramid could affect gravity waves, and now you are claiming that HAARP can do the same? I find both of those rather preposterous.

 

[Katerina]

Hello, I've just read portions of the actual patent found at the US Patent office and it clearly states, and I quote: "As alluded to earlier, missile or aircraft destruction, deflection, or confusion could result". And the reason people interpret (as you say) this patent as a weather control system is because it states in the patent, "Weather modification is possible by, for example, altering upper atmosphere wind patterns or altering solar absorption patterns by constructing one or more plumes of atmospheric particles which will act as a lens or focusing device". Yes the patent also describes using natural gas to generate electricity, but as Eastlund goes on to say in the patent document, "Still further, plumes in accordance with the present invention can be formed to simulate and/or perform the same functions as performed by the detonation of a "heave" type nuclear device without actually having to detonate such a device. Thus it can be seen that the ramifications are numerous, far-reaching, and exceedingly varied in usefulness."

So I guess those "conspiracy theorists" do have a plausible foundation for their claims.


And whether or not HAARP is the recipient of the technology described in this patent, the important fact is the technology exists to wreak terrible destruction, and I don't see how you can guarantee to us, a public that looks to you tell us the truth, that HAARP or some other such corporate/military complex is not using this or similar technology.

 

[Mick West]

And whether or not HAARP is the recipient of the technology described in this patent, the important fact is the technology exists to wreak terrible destruction, and I don't see how you can guarantee to us, a public that looks to you tell us the truth, that HAARP or some other such corporate/military complex is not using this or similar technology.

A patent is not technology.

It's document designed to cover an idea, in case it actually turns out to work. There are plenty of patents for things that do not work. See:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/do-patents-mean-the-invention-works.194/

Eastlund's patent was highly speculative, he just threw everything in there he could think of.

 

[rezn8d]

A patent is not technology.

It's document designed to cover an idea, in case it actually turns out to work. There are plenty of patents for things that do not work. See:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/do-patents-mean-the-invention-works.194/

Eastlund's patent was highly speculative, he just threw everything in there he could think of.

And his buddy discusses it with the American Meteorological Society, Weather Mod conference....



https://ams.confex.com/ams/17WModWMA/techprogram/session_21926.htm

Planned and Inadvertent Weather Modification/Weather Modification Association


Session 2

New Unconventional Concepts and Legal Ramifications
Chair: Joe Golden, Univ. of Colorado/CIRES/NOAA/GSD, Boulder, CO
10:30 AM 2.1 Atmospheric heating as a research tool
Lyle M. Jenkins, Eastlund Scientific Enterprises Corporation, Houston, TX; and B. J. Eastlund
10:55 AM 2.2 Reducing hurricane intensity by cooling the upper mixed layer using arrays of Atmocean, Inc.'s wave-driven upwelling pumps
Philip W. Kithil, Atmocean, Inc., Santa Fe, NM; and I. Ginis
11:20 AM 2.3 On Engineering Hurricanes
William R. Cotton, Colorado State Univ., Fort Collins, CO; and S. M. Saleeby

2.4 A machine to get rid of hurricanes
Brian Sandler, none, West Bloomfield, MI
Monday, 21 April 2008: 10:30 AM-12:10 PM, Standley I

Turning tornadoes with HPM from the space station, great stuff. And using HAARP to shoot the power up there, even better.
Nobody here knows the full extent of HAARP's missile defense capabilities, but if the claims are true, it's an energy weapon that "may" be able to alter the weather.
more here:



Debunk this:
http://rezn8d.net/2013/04/17/the-birth-of-haarp/

HAARP can do the following:

• radiation belt remediation
• create an "Artifical Ionospheric Mirror" (AIM)
• create ELF waves that are heard worldwide
• create plasma clouds
• create airglow using HF radio waves and/or rocket exhaust plumes
• create holes in the ionosphere
• modifies the magnetic properties of our planet to probe underground structures

 

[Mick West]

And using HAARP to shoot the power up there, even better.

Where's that bit? Seems vastly unlikely. As the beam would be super diffuse by the time it got to satellite altitude. The sun would be a much better source of energy.

 

[solrey]

Not to mention the fact that the ISS is traveling at over 17,000 mph and among other details involving the physics of objects in Low Earth Orbit it makes the idea of HAARP consistently beaming any useful energy to the ISS quite preposterous.

None of the ideas regarding microwave transmissions to alter the weather have ever been proven conceptually, by simulation, in the lab or in the real world.

 

[rezn8d]

Where's that bit? Seems vastly unlikely. As the beam would be super diffuse by the time it got to satellite altitude. The sun would be a much better source of energy.

It's in the video I posted, at about 19:40, use link below:

http://youtu.be/ylTQj2qX1ZM?t=19m20s

"put a rectenna on the space station and have a big base array antenna on the surface of the Earth beam it up and collect the energy and determine the transmission effects, losses, and that sort of thing, and then we would hope to put an antenna on the station, the do the opposite: beam it down to the surface of the Earth."

NOTE: image shows Earth > ISS power transmission 2008, ISS > Earth 2009
Also note:
6/16/2013 — RADAR used to transmit power to distant Rectenna — NASA experiment success
http://sincedutch.wordpress.com/201...several-miles-to-rectenna-experiment-success/



This is based on the Solar Powered Satellite concept: http://rezn8d.net/2012/01/20/haarp-timeline-an-animated-history-of-ionospheric-destruction/#SPS

HERE IS AN ARTIST'S CONCEPT OF WHAT BEAMING ALL THAT ENERGY DOWN TO THE GROUND LOOKS LIKE:

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SOURCE: DEATHRAYTHEORP (DEATH RAYTHEON CORPORATION?) ONWWW.PROPAGATION.GATECH.EDU

The mock website from Georgia Tech is hilarious!



SPS Military Implications (1978)
http://www.nss.org/settlement/ssp/library/1978DOESPS-MilitaryImplications-Ozeroff.pdf


Dr. Robert G. Williscroft found that the SPS/rectenna could modify weather:
http://argee.net/Satellite-Hydrogen Energy/Satellite-Hydrogen Energy.htm

Analysis by the U.S. DOE (1978a) shows that rectenna waste heat will produce about the same atmospheric effect as a suburban area and that atmospheric attenuation of the microwave beam will be too small to produce significant meteorological disturbances. However, loss of beam control could have consequences which require further study.

These potential problems are not well understood and require further study. Because of deficiencies in our understanding of the physical and chemical processes above 40 or 50 km, especially with regard to water budget, there is a large uncertainty connected with any prediction.

They have the "you don't know 'till you try it attitude" which we all know always works out just fine.

 

[rezn8d]

after a little digging, I found this:

http://www.witricity.com/pages/more.html

A microwave oven utilizes microwave radiation to cook food.

The June 5, 1975 NASA JPL Goldstone Demonstration of directed radiative microwave power transmission successfully transferred 34kw of electrical power over a distance of 1.5km. View movie

Artist rendering of European Space Agency Aeolus Satellite with laser beam pointing at the Earth's atmosphere. Aeolus will use laser Doppler radar to better understand weather phenomena.Credits: ESA/AOES Medialab

MRI machines use "magnetic resonance imaging" to produce diagnostic images of soft tissue.

Nikola Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower built on Long Island, NY in 1904. This tower was intended to implement Tesla's vision of transmitting power and information around the world. The tower was destroyed in 1917.

So what's the chances this Aeolus space-based laser (facepalm, Real Genius comes to mind) anything to do with the Eastlund idea? I'ld say pretty high based on WiTricity's page

Due for launch at the end of 2013, ADM-Aeolus (or just 'Aeolus'), is the fourth Earth Explorer mission to be developed within ESA's Living Planet Programme. Aeolus will be the first-ever satellite to directly observe wind profiles from space.


Named after Aeolus, who in Greek mythology was appointed 'keeper of the winds' by the Gods, this mission will provide much-needed data to improve the quality of weather forecasts as well as contribute to long-term climate research.

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Operations/ADM-Aeolus

 

[Mick West]

But how is HAARP going to transmit any kind of useful power to a space station whizzing by overhead? And why would it?

What actual point are you trying to make here?

 

[rezn8d]

But how is HAARP going to transmit any kind of useful power to a space station whizzing by overhead? And why would it?

What actual point are you trying to make here?

That at least since 1968 they've been working on space > earth > space power transmission, progress is occurring, and oh by the way, it will probably affect the weather in some form... however they don't know.

And, that HAARP is the world's most powerful rectenna, until Tromso hit's 100 gigawatt in 2016. That is all.

I believe what Rosalie Bertell believes, debunk this: http://rezn8d.net/2012/01/20/haarp-timeline-an-animated-history-of-ionospheric-destruction/ This link has her words and my links/images.

 

[Mick West]

HAARP is not a rectenna (a microwave power receiver), it's a transmitter. And it only transmits 0.0042 Gigawatts.

 

[Jazzy]

This is based on the Solar Powered Satellite concept

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No. It's straight out of Star Trek "Enterprise". The Texan so-called engineer loses his sister in Florida. The Xindi are coming. Dutch nonsense. (That's enough nonsense - Ed.)

 

[rezn8d]

HAARP is not a rectenna (a microwave power receiver), it's a transmitter. And it only transmits 0.0042 Gigawatts.

No sir, it transmits 5.1 gigawatt:

http://rezn8d.net/2013/01/15/radio-...plication-to-atmospheric-methane-destruction/

The main MHZ frequency range (High Frequency Band 3 – 30 MHZ) of the powerful IRI transmitter is slightly different from the 13.56 MHZ needed to break down the methane. However it is very powerful with a 5.1 Giga watt effective radial power at maximum output. The Ionospheric Research Instrument (IRI) at HAARP transmits over the range 2.8 MHZ to 10 MHZ slightly less than the 13.56 MHZ used to break down methane but as mentioned previously if the IRI transmitted a 10 MHz carrier waves modulated by a 3.56 MHz signal it will generate an Upper Side Frequency of 13.56 MHz which is the methane destruction frequency (Penguin Dictionary of Physics 2000).

 

[Mick West]

That's the ERP, that's not how much power it's transmitting. It's just (essentially) a measure of the directivity of the power, not the amount of power. It's a common misunderstanding in HAARP theories.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_radiated_power

 

[Mick West]

No. It's straight out of Star Trek "Enterprise". The Texan so-called engineer loses his sister in Florida. The Xindi are coming. Dutch nonsense. (That's enough nonsense - Ed.)

It was actually used at GA Tech though, on a satirical site:
http://www.propagation.gatech.edu/E...oup7/DeathRaytheorp/Website/CostTimeline.html

 

[solrey]

In that vid/audio of an AMS conference presentation the speaker said they looked at some IDEAS for EXPERIMENTS, which didn't even happen btw, to transmit microwaves from a ground station to be received by rectennas on the ISS for the purpose of testing efficiency to determine whether the concept is even feasible. The second phase of the proposed experiments would have been to utilize power from solar panels on the ISS to transmit microwaves from the ISS to a rectenna array on the ground. The experiments didn't happen because the ISS is just moving too damn fast so it spends just a matter of a minute or two within the line of site of any ground station. The idea of using a satellite in Low Earth Orbit as a platform for Space Based Solar Power is utterly ludicrous, laughable even. Every single legitimate Space Based Solar Power proposal has involved utilizing solar collector satellites in GEOSTATIONARY ORBIT.

Analysis by the U.S. DOE (1978a) shows that rectenna waste heat will produce about the same atmospheric effect as a suburban area and that atmospheric attenuation of the microwave beam will be too small to produce significant meteorological disturbances. However, loss of beam control could have consequences which require further study.

The part in bold is what I have been saying repeatedly regarding microwave transmissions inability to affect weather.

Dr. Robert G. Williscroft found that the SPS/rectenna could modify weather.

As highlighted above that statement is absolutely false.

The biggest question is how would microwaves from SBSP interact with the ionosphere above 40 or 50 km.

The two main hurdles for SBSP are pretty much restrictions dictated by the laws of physics involving the inverse square law and beam spreading.

And Jim, it would help your case if you actually understood the stuff you present as evidence because most of the time it actually invalidates your claims. Just sayin'.

 

[Jay Reynolds]

6/16/2013 — RADAR used to transmit power to distant Rectenna — NASA experiment success
http://sincedutch.wordpress.com/201...several-miles-to-rectenna-experiment-success/

I find it hard to believe that you are using dutch nonsense to support your ideas, Jim.
His followers may not be able to understand the technicalities in the paper he quotes, but I think you do. He is telling his folowers a lot of bunk, and istead of fighting his disinformation, you are getting in bed with him, and there is mutual suckling going on. He is using the paper to try and bolster his claim that NEXRADS radars modify the weather, certainly you know this to be false.

Wireless power transmission is a pipedream, and as the paper clearly says, requires some REALLY BIG equipment which simply isn't present at NEXRAD sites:

Why do you people insist on associating yourselves with obvious bunk and those who promote it? You have Dane Wigington holding his nose as Russ Tanner claims to smell chemtrails six miles up, you have Michael Murphy showing photos of obvious commercial airliners in his film about "spraying" while Wigington desperately claims every jet making a persistent contrail is a military tanker, and now this? Is it any wonder none of you gets credibility when rational scientific people see who your crew is?

 

[rezn8d]

back to the topic:

• Eastlund's patents are related to ARCO and HAARP as pointed out here: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-bernard-eastlund-and-haarp.248/#post-27662
• Eastlund's associate discussed weather modification and power transmission using HAARP and space based systems with the AMS and Weather Modification Association in 2008 as pointed out here: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-bernard-eastlund-and-haarp.248/page-2#post-53376 I heard no laughter or debunks during the comment session. I suppose they are taking this seriously.
• The space based wireless power transmission idea is very much alive:

1. National Space Society Launches International Initiative to Develop Space Solar Power by Timon Singh, 06/19/13
2. Japan Wants to Power 300,000 Homes With Wireless Energy From Space
3. Getting Solar Energy From Space We Are Near To Reach It!!!
4. http://sam-strathclyde.blogspot.com/
5. EADS Astrium Plans to Put A Solar-Collecting Demo Satellite in Space

achieving wireless power transmission via solar power satellite
http://techloaf.com/achieving-wireless-power-transmission-via-solar-power-satellite/

Here's how the process flows:

• Solar energy is captured by solar power satellites in space and then it is converted to electricity.
• Electricity is transformed to RF range and transmitted to earth through a microwave transmitter
• This RF energy is received by an antenna called rectana on the earth and is converted back to electricity
• The electricity thus produced is shifted to the utility grid

Advantages
Such a wireless power transmission system comes with several advantages as the ones listed below:

• Unrestricted energy resource
• Zero CO2 emissions
• Zero fuel cost
• Delivery of energy anywhere in the world anytime
• Least long-range environmental impact
• Collection of solar energy more efficiently in space

Disadvantages
However, this system is not without its drawbacks. Some of the limitations are stated below:

• High launch costs
• Need for a network of 100s of satellites
• Potential health risks
• Size of rectanas and antennas
• Intervention with communication satellites
• Geosynchronous satellites takes large amount of space

Noone has debunked any of these:
http://rezn8d.net/2013/04/17/the-birth-of-haarp/

Content from external source

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HAARP can do the following:​

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• radiation belt remediation
• create an "Artifical Ionospheric Mirror" (AIM)
• create ELF waves that are heard worldwide
• create plasma clouds
• create airglow using HF radio waves and/or rocket exhaust plumes
• create holes in the ionosphere
• modifies the magnetic properties of our planet to probe underground structures

Satellite Threat Due to High Altitude Nuclear Detonation – Eisenhower Institute – Papadopoulos-Presentation 280369​

I believe what Rosalie Bertell does, her words and my images/links here:
http://rezn8d.net/2012/01/20/haarp-timeline-an-animated-history-of-ionospheric-destruction/

Conclusions
It would be rash to assume that HAARP is an isolated experiment which would
not be expanded. It is related to fifty years of intensive and increasingly
destructive programs to understand and control the upper atmosphere.
It would be rash not to associate HAARP with the space laboratory
construction which is separately being planned by the United States. HAARP
is an integral part of a long history of space research and development of
a deliberate military nature.
The military implications of combining these projects is alarming.
Basic to this project is control of communications, both disruption and
reliability in hostile environments. The power wielded by such control is
obvious.
The ability of the HAARP / Spacelab/ rocket combination to deliver a very
large amount of energy, comparable to a nuclear bomb, anywhere on earth via
laser and particle beams, are frightening.
The project is likely to be "sold" to the public as a space shield against
incoming weapons, or , for the more gullible, a devise for repairing the
ozone layer.

 

[Mick West]

The ability of the HAARP / Spacelab/ rocket combination to deliver a very
large amount of energy, comparable to a nuclear bomb, anywhere on earth via
laser and particle beams, are frightening.

Except that it can't do this. Nothing at all like this. A diffuse beam of 0.0042 Gigawatts is not going to do anything like that.

 

[rezn8d]

In that vid/audio of an AMS conference presentation the speaker said they looked at some IDEAS for EXPERIMENTS, which didn't even happen btw, to transmit microwaves from a ground station to be received by rectennas on the ISS for the purpose of testing efficiency to determine whether the concept is even feasible. The second phase of the proposed experiments would have been to utilize power from solar panels on the ISS to transmit microwaves from the ISS to a rectenna array on the ground. The experiments didn't happen because the ISS is just moving too damn fast so it spends just a matter of a minute or two within the line of site of any ground station. The idea of using a satellite in Low Earth Orbit as a platform for Space Based Solar Power is utterly ludicrous, laughable even. Every single legitimate Space Based Solar Power proposal has involved utilizing solar collector satellites in GEOSTATIONARY ORBIT.

Analysis by the U.S. DOE (1978a) shows that rectenna waste heat will produce about the same atmospheric effect as a suburban area and that atmospheric attenuation of the microwave beam will be too small to produce significant meteorological disturbances. However, loss of beam control could have consequences which require further study.

The part in bold is what I have been saying repeatedly regarding microwave transmissions inability to affect weather.



As highlighted above that statement is absolutely false.

The biggest question is how would microwaves from SBSP interact with the ionosphere above 40 or 50 km.

The two main hurdles for SBSP are pretty much restrictions dictated by the laws of physics involving the inverse square law and beam spreading.

And Jim, it would help your case if you actually understood the stuff you present as evidence because most of the time it actually invalidates your claims. Just sayin'.

Tim, your insults don't go unnoticed.

1. Eastlund and his associate at the AMS convention are discussing weather modification because they believe it is possible, period.
2. I never claimed any transmission occurred between HAARP and the ISS, I pointed out the fact that it's mentioned in the presentation.
3. the 1978 claim that it is too small to produce is hampered by the fact that it was produced over 30 years ago, therefore is more than likely irrelevant
4. And finally, they barely understand how the upper atmosphere works, so this is all theoretical at best. NASA's Independence Day Fireworks from Wallops Investigates Earth's Global Daytime Dynamo Current
5. "First Global Connection Between Earth And Space Weather Found
   http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2006/space_weather_link.html
   
   Weather on Earth has a surprising connection to space weather occurring high in the electrically-charged upper atmosphere, known as the ionosphere, according to new results from NASA satellites."
   
   

 

[rezn8d]

The ability of the HAARP / Spacelab/ rocket combination to deliver a very
large amount of energy, comparable to a nuclear bomb, anywhere on earth via
laser and particle beams, are frightening.

Except that it can't do this. Nothing at all like this. A diffuse beam of 0.0042 Gigawatts is not going to do anything like that.

that is your opinion, not fact. Do you understand how an artificial ionospheric lens in conjunction with sounding rockets work?

 

[solrey]

So what's the chances this Aeolus space-based laser (facepalm, Real Genius comes to mind) anything to do with the Eastlund idea? I'ld say pretty high based on WiTricity's page

The chances are less than zero. The only instrument onboard the Aeolus satellite will simply be a LIDAR (laser based doppler radar).

Aeolus carries a single payload, the Atmospheric Laser Doppler Instrument (ALADIN), a Direct Detection Doppler Wind Lidar operating at near ultraviolet (UV) wavelengths (355 nm). It comprises two main assemblies:

• Transmitter: diode laser pumped Nd: YAG laser, frequency tripled to 355 nm at 150 mJ pulse energy, 100 Hz pulse repetition
• Receiver: 1.5 m diameter SiC telescope, Mie channel (aerosol and water droplets) with Fizeau spectrometer, Rayleigh channel (molecular scattering)

ALADIN is an active instrument which fires laser pulses toward the atmosphere and measures the Doppler shift of the collected return signal, backscattered at different levels in the atmosphere.

Near UV at 355 nm is non-ionizing, btw. Ionizing radiation is wavelengths of less than 125 nm.

 

[rezn8d]

I find it hard to believe that you are using dutch nonsense to support your ideas, Jim.
His followers may not be able to understand the technicalities in the paper he quotes, but I think you do. He is telling his folowers a lot of bunk, and istead of fighting his disinformation, you are getting in bed with him, and there is mutual suckling going on. He is using the paper to try and bolster his claim that NEXRADS radars modify the weather, certainly you know this to be false.

Wireless power transmission is a pipedream, and as the paper clearly says, requires some REALLY BIG equipment which simply isn't present at NEXRAD sites:

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Why do you people insist on associating yourselves with obvious bunk and those who promote it? You have Dane Wigington holding his nose as Russ Tanner claims to smell chemtrails six miles up, you have Michael Murphy showing photos of obvious commercial airliners in his film about "spraying" while Wigington desperately claims every jet making a persistent contrail is a military tanker, and now this? Is it any wonder none of you gets credibility when rational scientific people see who your crew is?

1. used dutch's link because he's my friend, and he had the video posted... period
2. Are you saying that since 1975 they haven't acheived greater accuracy/power transmission capability?
3. I don't care for Dane's nonsense, which I've told him and you on the phone
4. Michael Murphy is a farce
5. you are grasping at straws and not debunking, start here: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-bernard-eastlund-and-haarp.248/page-2#post-53536

Your word games are failing gentlemen, and I will not be moved to anger or frustration.

Debunk the claims in my post above, if you can.

 

[rezn8d]

The chances are less than zero. The only instrument onboard the Aeolus satellite will simply be a LIDAR (laser based doppler radar).

Aeolus carries a single payload, the Atmospheric Laser Doppler Instrument (ALADIN), a Direct Detection Doppler Wind Lidar operating at near ultraviolet (UV) wavelengths (355 nm). It comprises two main assemblies:

• Transmitter: diode laser pumped Nd: YAG laser, frequency tripled to 355 nm at 150 mJ pulse energy, 100 Hz pulse repetition
• Receiver: 1.5 m diameter SiC telescope, Mie channel (aerosol and water droplets) with Fizeau spectrometer, Rayleigh channel (molecular scattering)

ALADIN is an active instrument which fires laser pulses toward the atmosphere and measures the Doppler shift of the collected return signal, backscattered at different levels in the atmosphere.

Near UV at 355 nm is non-ionizing, btw. Ionizing radiation is wavelengths of less than 125 nm.

SPS and Aeolus are ancillary to this conversation, and detract from the point of this thread

more straws, debunk this: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-bernard-eastlund-and-haarp.248/page-2#post-53536

 

[Mick West]

that is your opinion, not fact. Do you understand how an artificial ionospheric lens in conjunction with sounding rockets work?

I think perhaps we need to work up to that. Could you address the issue of ERP? Do you understand now how much power HAARP actually transmits?

 

[rezn8d]

I think perhaps we need to work up to that. Could you address the issue of ERP? Do you understand now how much power HAARP actually transmits?

no because you are dodging... debunk this: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-bernard-eastlund-and-haarp.248/page-2#post-53536 Your intention is to move past this without addressing it and focusing on the finer points of science while ignoring the glaring facts, for shame

 

[Mick West]

no because you are dodging... debunk this: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-bernard-eastlund-and-haarp.248/page-2#post-53536 Your intention is to move past this without addressing it and focusing on the finer points of science while ignoring the glaring facts, for shame

Your links there are about transmitting solar power to earth. What's to debunk?

Don't you think there 1000x error in the power of HAARP is relevant? We need to start from a firm basis in fact if we are to build understanding. I want to make sure you understand this before we discuss the more complex science.

 

[Jay Reynolds]

used dutch's link because he's my friend, and he had the video posted... period

I rest my case. Your friend is a hoaxer. He derives income from it.
Bad boy.

Are you saying that since 1975 they haven't acheived greater accuracy/power transmission capability?

Are you claiming they have? If so, where is the evidence?
I think you tend to exaggerate capability due to misunderstanding, or because of confirmation bias.

Debunk the claims in my post above, if you can.

Much of it has been done on this page already. You have already seen my rates, should I invoice you, or do you expect me to do this for free?

 

[rezn8d]

Your links there are about transmitting solar power to earth. What's to debunk?

Don't you think there 1000x error in the power of HAARP is relevant? We need to start from a firm basis in fact if we are to build understanding. I want to make sure you understand this before we discuss the more complex science.

Jenkins does not mention HAARP in the AMS video, he said: "big base array antenna on the surface of the Earth" as previously stated here


These are MY claims:

HAARP can do the following:

• radiation belt remediation
• create an "Artifical Ionospheric Mirror" (AIM)
• create ELF waves that are heard worldwide
• create plasma clouds
• create airglow using HF radio waves and/or rocket exhaust plumes
• create holes in the ionosphere
• modifies the magnetic properties of our planet to probe underground structures

 

[rezn8d]

I rest my case. Your friend is a hoaxer. He derives income from it.
Bad boy.

Are you claiming they have? If so, where is the evidence?
I think you tend to exaggerate capability due to misunderstanding, or because of confirmation bias.



Much of it has been done on this page already. You have already seen my rates, should I invoice you, or do you expect me to do this for free?

Dutch and I discuss a lot, and I would call him a friend. Do you always agree with your friends? Your argument holds no water, SIR.
Much of it has been done already? where. Noone has debunked any of MY claims, just others. Again, start here:

These are MY claims:

HAARP can do the following:

• radiation belt remediation
• create an "Artifical Ionospheric Mirror" (AIM)
• create ELF waves that are heard worldwide
• create plasma clouds
• create airglow using HF radio waves and/or rocket exhaust plumes
• create holes in the ionosphere
• modifies the magnetic properties of our planet to probe underground structures

​

 

[solrey]

create ELF waves that are heard worldwide

Still confusing audio waves with electromagnetic waves, eh? HAARP can stimulate electrons in the ionosphere in a pattern that produces extremely long radio waves, NOT audible sound waves.

Like I said, you would do well to better understand the stuff you present as evidence, if you take that observation and advice as an insult then you're simply betraying your own insecurities.

 

[Jay Reynolds]

Your links there are about transmitting solar power to earth. What's to debunk?

Don't you think there 1000x error in the power of HAARP is relevant? We need to start from a firm basis in fact if we are to build understanding. I want to make sure you understand this before we discuss the more complex science.

Strong foundation = less easily debunked!

 

[rezn8d]

Still confusing audio waves with electromagnetic waves, eh? HAARP can stimulate electrons in the ionosphere in a pattern that produces extremely long radio waves, NOT audible sound waves.

Like I said, you would do well to better understand the stuff you present as evidence, if you take that observation and advice as an insult then you're simply betraying your own insecurities.

I am fully aware that humans hear from 20-20,000 Hz and HAARP generated ELF waves are 2.5 Hz, far below an audible range. Rude

 

[Jay Reynolds]

Dutch and I discuss a lot, and I would call him a friend. Do you always agree with your friends? Your argument holds no water, SIR.
Much of it has been done already? where. Noone has debunked any of MY claims, just others. Again, start here:

These are MY claims:​

​

HAARP can do the following:​

• radiation belt remediation
• create an "Artifical Ionospheric Mirror" (AIM)
• create ELF waves that are heard worldwide
• create plasma clouds
• create airglow using HF radio waves and/or rocket exhaust plumes
• create holes in the ionosphere
• modifies the magnetic properties of our planet to probe underground structures

Jim, your "friend" tells intentional lies, he bans even thoughtful commentary, he makes money doing that, fooling with other people's minds, exerting control to maintain a lie.
There are whole threads on here showing dutchsinse doing this. He runs and hides. You are a better man than that.

That sort of person can never be a real friend in the end. This isn't an argument, I'm just telling you the way it is, in a fatherly manner.

Jim, are these the watered down claims, or the exaggerated ones you end up with when you "connect all the dots"...?

I've noticed that sometimes you start out fairly reasonable, but later on, the puny plasma clouds that HAARP makes gets blown up into a cataclysm in the making. Is it possible that was a foregone conclusion?

 

[Mick West]

Jim, before your claims are debunked (if they actually do need debunking, many are just links to papers on non-controversial science), we need to establish common understanding. So you need to demonstrate understanding of two things (based on your comments in the thread so far).

1) ERP is not transmitted power, and HAARP only transmits 4.2 Mw
2) HAARP does not create ELF sound waves, it creates ELF electromagnetic radiation.

These are fundamental to understanding the science. You cannot build upon a shaky foundation. Please address these before bringing up anything else. Do not re-post your page of links until you've demonstrated you understand this.

 

[solrey]

I am fully aware that humans hear from 20-20,000 Hz and HAARP generated ELF waves are 2.5 Hz, far below an audible range. Rude

Doesn't matter what the frequency/wavelength is, electromagnetic waves are not audible. And since 2.5 Hz is far below the range of human hearing, why do you say that HAARP can "create ELF waves heard worldwide"? Please explain how any knowledgeable person is supposed to take you seriously when you don't even know the difference between audio and radio waves? Yet you are to have us believe that you have connected some dots involving complex physics?