you just broke the rules, you deleted my last post, game over.
Got too real for you, I understand.
you just broke the rules, you deleted my last post, game over.
Got too real for you, I understand.
Jim, your "friend" tells intentional lies, he bans even thoughtful commentary, he makes money doing that, fooling with other people's minds, exerting control to maintain a lie.
There are whole threads on here showing dutchsinse doing this. He runs and hides. You are a better man than that.
That sort of person can never be a real friend in the end. This isn't an argument, I'm just telling you the way it is, in a fatherly manner.
Jim, are these the watered down claims, or the exaggerated ones you end up with when you "connect all the dots"...?
I've noticed that sometimes you start out fairly reasonable, but later on, the puny plasma clouds that HAARP makes gets blown up into a cataclysm in the making. Is it possible that was a foregone conclusion?
Because it was essentially a repost. I'm asking you to address some specific issues before continuing. I suspect you won't. However I encourage you to look at those two things anyway, for your own benefit. You put a lot of energy into your sites, and it would be better if the output had a more solid scientific basis.
If you address those two issues (one of which you specifically asked to be debunked, and here it is debunked), then we can more on to your other claims.
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My question to you, Mick, is what exactly were you trying to debunk when you created this thread?
.....Eastlund did NOT invent HAARP. HAARP is just an ionospheric heater research facility. Eastlund's own patent describes such ionospheric heating as having gone on well before the 1985 patent:......
Doesn't matter what the frequency/wavelength is, electromagnetic waves are not audible. And since 2.5 Hz is far below the range of human hearing, why do you say that HAARP can "create ELF waves heard worldwide"? Please explain how any knowledgeable person is supposed to take you seriously when you don't even know the difference between audio and radio waves? Yet you are to have us believe that you have connected some dots involving complex physics?
Perhaps you could read the OP?
That's what I meant by "heard", like with antennas and stuff. SMH
I am fully aware that humans hear from 20-20,000 Hz and HAARP generated ELF waves are 2.5 Hz, far below an audible range. Rude
So why did you say this?
And what about the ERP? You understand that the ERP is not the actual transmitted power? That for HAARP EPR is 1000x the transmitted power?
Bernard Eastlund is most famously associated with HAARP because of some patents he filed for speculative uses of natural gas in Alaska.
This article on Skeptoid decribes the problems with this linkage.
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4122
Eastlund did NOT invent HAARP. HAARP is just an ionospheric heater research facility. Eastlund's own patent describes such ionospheric heating as having gone on well before the 1985 patent:
His job was to find a use for all that natural gas in Alaska. His solution was to propose building a super large ionosphere heater - far bigger than HAARP, and to speculate on loads of interesting usages (without actually explaining how they would work), in order to make the proposal sound interesting.
More HAARP debunking:
http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/10-03-03/#feature
I'll rephrase that one word from my claims, doesn't change the claim.
The ERP/power of HAARP is irrelevant, as is my full understanding of the science behind it.
So basically you are just cutting and pasting these gobs of text that you don't understand, and asking people to debunk them?
Maybe it would be better if you did understand? Maybe you should try to actually figure things out.
Let's not have Gish Gallops. Please just ask one question about one subject. Any future posts you make will be edited down to a single question, whatever comes first.
I just debunked your claims here, admit defeat or sling more mud and attack my character as a last resort. You brag about your plans to censor me in the future, your claims are debunked.
I'm replying to this 5 year old thread, because I see several problems in the way Mick and several others here treated evidence presented by Jim Lee.I'm not attacking your character. I'm pointing out things that you don't understand, of that you got wrong. HAARP is just an ionospheric heater, similar to previous ones. Can you point to something from Eastlund's patent that is in HAARP that was not pre-existing technology?
no it hasn't. try this link https://earth.nullschool.net/Even more tellingly, this website has since been taken down,
actually 2017 is the samebut if you look it up at archive.org, you'll see it was archived for every single day of the year so far - EXCEPT APRIL 15
Given how many anomalies in the data from NASA and NOAA that can't be explained by the official science, but easily explained by the use of HAARP for weather modifications, ....
......the assumption should be that weather modification IS being used covertly and for hostile purposes, until thoroughly proven otherwise.
One recent example - this image was captured from http://www.earth.nullschool.net/ (a NASA website) on April 15, 2018, the day a devastating storm hit Kauai, Hawaii. How do you explain the SQUARE pattern of calm exactly near Kauai just as the vicious storm was happening? Did someone try to blot out the true signals in that square area? Squares NEVER happen naturally in weather patterns, you know?
Since this bit was not addressed: That website is not a NASA website. It is a private website created by web developer Cameron Beccario, who lives in Tokyo, Japan. It is based on his original Tokyo-only wind map, which was inspired by a similar US wind map developed by Fernanda Viégas and Martin Wattenberg, who also are not affiliated with NASA. These two are affiliated with Google, but the wind map was an off time hobby, not work related.(a NASA website)
One recent example - this image was captured from http://www.earth.nullschool.net/ (a NASA website) on April 15, 2018, the day a devastating storm hit Kauai, Hawaii. How do you explain the SQUARE pattern of calm exactly near Kauai just as the vicious storm was happening? Did someone try to blot out the true signals in that square area? Squares NEVER happen naturally in weather patterns, you know?
Even more tellingly, this website has since been taken down, but if you look it up at archive.org, you'll see it was archived for every single day of the year so far - EXCEPT APRIL 15! They've been able to remove key info even from archive.org, as I've found out many times (I now make sure I archive at archive.is, archive.org, as well as some others).
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the onus should be on YOU to demonstrate how HAARP can NOT possibly do what Eastlund and others said it can do