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Isnt it possible they ve used explosives for the concrete before while the first hours of this attack and later did the rest with thermite to the steel?
it still sounds like clutching at straws to keep a floundering theory alive.Isnt it possible they ve used explosives for the concrete before while the first hours of this attack and later did the rest with thermite to the steel? in the first hours it was reportet ppl heard explosions, aswell the black guy , forgot his name, was last eyewittness in that building and said if i am correct.
No.Isnt it possible they ve used explosives for the concrete before while the first hours of this attack and later did the rest with thermite to the steel?
Jennings. He was with another, Hess. While Jennings says there was an explosion in the stairwell , his account does not make sense in many ways. Hess in fact says there was no explosion.guy , forgot his name, was last eyewittness in that building and said if i am correct.
Jennings. He was with another, Hess. While Jennings says there was an explosion in the stairwell , his account does not make sense in many ways. Hess in fact says there was no explosion.
Nor were they the last in the building and no one else reported this supposed explosion which Jennings says occurred before either tower fell.
If he were correct in that timing there were dozens of people a few floors below them. No one else heard it.
In fact Jennings account fits well in having this event be the result of WTC1 collapsing onto WTC7
The topic here is the plausibility of destroying WTC7 with explosives, not the NIST explanation of the collapse. Please stay on topic.
The topic here is the plausibility of destroying WTC7 with explosives, not the NIST explanation of the collapse. Please stay on topic.
The plausible scenario is that eight floors of WTC7 were destroyed and that was enough to make WTC7 behave as we see in the videos.
Someone posted a photo of a trading floor without a source. It shows a double height floor and a single column. So what? This assumes some relationship to C79 because it was out in the open.
The plausible scenario is that eight floors of WTC7 were destroyed and that was enough to make WTC7 behave as we see in the videos.
F7 through F14 inner core columns could have been rigged. When they went, they pulled in the exterior columns and the building dropped like a stone. We can't know exactly how this was done.
Just like NIST can't know what happened inside with their ridiculous C79 girder A2001 fantasy causing the entire interior floor system to gut itself WITHOUT any exterior deformations being seen, we cannot know the details of how the core was rigged. It is, however, plausible.
F7 through F14 inner core columns could have been rigged.
First there is little to deduce that they started down the moment WTC2 collapsed so 29 minutes is the absolute worst case. Using that is well , silly. Second neither Jennings nor Hess was in great shape or young men. Jennings complained about knee or hip pain. Not likely they continued leaping down the stairs for long.NIST says Jennings took 29 minutes to descend 17 floors, from F23 to F6. They say he was on F23 at 9:59 when WTC2 collapsed and he reached F6 at 10:28 when WTC1 collapsed. This is silly.
He deduces collapses by FFs leaving the area. No mention of the huge dust cloud enveloping the streets and obscuring his view, plunging them into midnight darkness. Furthermore only five floors below on the third floor lobby the windows broke and filled that floor with so much dust it made life a living hell for the few people who were there. None of whom report an explosion some time earlier when supposedly, a explosion tore apart the stairwell. In fact at that supposed time , the lobby was full of people, some using that exact stairwell to exit the building.Jennings himself said he saw the firemen run away twice while he was calling for help from the north face windows. How could he see this if he was in the stairwell during both events?
When they got there only a few security people were there. When WTC 2 was hit by the aircraft , the WTC7 lobby was crowded with people. After that impact evacuation went into full effect. They , Jenning & Hess, arrived more likely around 9:20- 9:30.Jennings said he arrived at WTC7 before 9:03.
The lower eight floors? At what point were these explosives set off? I assume you would have this eight floor demolition explaining the approx eight floor free fall period in collapse. Thus it follows that these explosives were set off after the entire facade had already been moving for almost 2 seconds. That is some serious overkill since by that time the entire structure is doomed. It doesn't even help steer the debris to the south over WTC6 since the removal of the SW corner and other southern columns already were pulling the structure that way. Removing north facade columns would have acted against that. Not like there was any need to keep rubble off of WTC 6, it was already a total loss.The plausible scenario is that eight floors of WTC7 were destroyed and that was enough to make WTC7 behave as we see in the videos.
Or those columns suffered from the progressive collapse outlined by NIST, the consequence of massive amounts of rubble falling onto TT1 destroying the east end of the core.F7 through F14 inner core columns could have been rigged. When they went, they pulled in the exterior columns and the building dropped like a stone. We can't know exactly how this was done.
EPH = east penthouse(I would like to add, for the casual reader of this thread...."shortcuts" such as:
"wrt" = 'with regard to'
"OTOH" = 'On the other hand'
OK...."Keep Calm, and Carry On!!"
and nano-thermite.
Nanoparticle thermite does exist and burns quicker, more completely, and thus locally hotter than older mixes. It does not perform the feats of fanciful conjecture that some have put forth. For instance a painted on layer of nano-thermite will not melt a significant amount of steel let alone heat it to melting. The physics just t'aint there. Its science fiction, and most certainly has never been demonstrated though it has been put forth as fact.Hilarious....as it has not yet been proven to exist!
Still...even "thermite" (??) must be "planted" (somehow) without anyone seeing it being done...and then initiated (somehow) without anyone seeing it being done).
Yes, that's a maybe, a conjecture that would work. No evidence of those splices having failed, or having failed before collapse, and certainly no evidence of either explosive or incindiary induced failure.The nature of the transfer trusses might lead to their destruction by failing the splices that were used in the panels when they were field assembled. Because the panels were at an angle perhaps once the splices were destroyed the panels would slide... and the truss would fail. It seems conceivable.
No evidence or you have not seen or are aware of this evidence? Clearly these transfer trusses broke up at some point. there is evidence of that as they are not lying there in the pile intact. And they DID.... at least some that I've seen... break at their joints.Yes, that's a maybe, a conjecture that would work. No evidence of those splices having failed, or having failed before collapse, and certainly no evidence of either explosive or incindiary induced failure.
If in fact a small amount of therm?te was used to fail TT1 splices for instance, that would not reconcile with AE911T contention of high concentration of 'unburned" therm?te in the WTC complex dust.
Probably would not require a huge amount of heat to raise the temp of those smaller components of TT1. Still going to have to be a significantly large fire, a flipped cigarette is out of the question.I don't know the amount of energy to fail a truss connection in the form of heat of course. I suspect it is a lot less than failing the truss from heat expansion. I would certainly be interested to learn about that. And it can probably be modeled as an FEA or a real world experiment. But what it might be is a straw which broke the camel's back. Whereas everyone is looking for these huge massive fires... that may not be what was required. Maybe.
No, heat overcame the reserve strength of one component which failed and thus initiated a sequence of events in which heat was irrelevant, that saw the entire structure come down.You know exactly what I meant... heat overcame all the reserve strength of the frame... gravity makes things fall.
Well no more so than a guy crashing a plane into a building. OTOH I think stupidity and delusion would be bigger factors than testicular fortitude.got it... if there was no heat it wasn't plausible unless someone took the connections apart... and he have to have a big set of balls to do that!
You know exactly what I meant... heat overcame all the reserve strength of the frame... gravity makes things fall.