"Pyramid" UFOs in Night Vision Footage are Bokeh
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Ravi
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But as the Navy and military is so keen on having instruments that can provide corroborative information, I am a bit lost in the words of Luie. Because, he sounds like only talking about visual imagery. Is it not so, that when someone on a boat sees something, that the ship's intel will start to flag it and search for it with their radar? Am I a bit naive here perhaps? I cannot imagine that the felllow with the NV gear sees something unknown, and the rest of the ship is like "meh".
The problem occurs when the observer is convinced it's a small craft at low altitude less than 1,000 feet away (nothing shows on the radar), and it's actually a high plane, at least 30,000 feet up, and 30,000 feet (6 miles) away horizontally. That shows up on the radar, but as it's nowhere near what was "observed" it's not a candidate.
Ravi
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Sounds quite like a plausible scenario indeed.
Max Phalange
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It's not a hypothetical, it's more or less exacly what happened with the infamous "Chilean Navy UFO" case:
It turned out to be a commercial flight, much higher/further away than the observers believed - https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ex...deo-aerodynamic-contrails-flight-ib6830.8306/External Quote:
Made my own little video just for fun - includes night footage of passenger plane with blinking lights and stars. Added a green tint and triangular bokeh (Camera Lens Blur in After Effects)... similar to the other videos added above, I think it's clear what the 'pyramid uap' video really is. I don't see it as debunking, I see it as research! (the below video goes in and out of focus, as you'd expect - but around the 26 second mark it's pretty similar to the Corbell footage)
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jackfrostvc
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I'm confused.
Jeremy got pics and videos from a May 1st 2020 ONI UAPTF presentation?
Jeremy: "Inside the May 1st 2020 ONI UAPTF report"
He later says it was actually a presentation
The UAPTF was formed in August 2020 . So this sounds like it was a presentation to persuade the Navy to form the UAPTF. And I wonder what contractors, industry leaders and players were involved in producing that presentation. Hmmmmmmmm
Source: https://youtu.be/xd4RZ21oFUM?t=2531
https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Re...-of-unidentified-aerial-phenomena-task-force/
This is so strange
Jeremy got pics and videos from a May 1st 2020 ONI UAPTF presentation?
Jeremy: "Inside the May 1st 2020 ONI UAPTF report"
He later says it was actually a presentation
The UAPTF was formed in August 2020 . So this sounds like it was a presentation to persuade the Navy to form the UAPTF. And I wonder what contractors, industry leaders and players were involved in producing that presentation. Hmmmmmmmm
Source: https://youtu.be/xd4RZ21oFUM?t=2531
https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Re...-of-unidentified-aerial-phenomena-task-force/
This is so strange
Max Phalange
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I'd put money on Puthoff and Eric Davis being involved.
Jesse3959
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Odd. They are talking about the video showing the blinking lights, and someone asks "Do we know that that object was 700 above" and the answer is "That's what it says in the power point slide."
Am I missing something? The power point slide does not appear to be screenshots from the video. Different incident. Why are they assuming that the moving blinking object is the same stationary objects said to be hovering above the ship?
They really just want it to be true and won't apply even the slightest critical examination to their dreams...
Of course I didn't watch the entire mystery wire video so maybe I missed something
Am I missing something? The power point slide does not appear to be screenshots from the video. Different incident. Why are they assuming that the moving blinking object is the same stationary objects said to be hovering above the ship?
They really just want it to be true and won't apply even the slightest critical examination to their dreams...
Of course I didn't watch the entire mystery wire video so maybe I missed something
jackfrostvc
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That's what I was just wondering.
Would have to be tiny if that's true IMO, but yeah, someone good at maths is needed here
Max Phalange
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17.2º according to previous posts in this thread, calculated from the visible stars. That's gives the diameter of the visible circle as 212 feet at that distance. https://www.google.com/search?q=2+*+700+*+tan+(17.2/2+degrees)=That's what I was just wondering.
Would have to be tiny if that's true IMO, but yeah, someone good at maths is needed here
So divide the apparent size of the object by the size of the circle (measure both in pixels or hold a ruler the the screen and use inches, the units don't matter), and multiply that by 212 feet to get the hypothetical size if it was 700 feet away.
yeah, about 4-5 feet at 700 feet altitude, and 186 feet at 30,000
Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HeOVCdDbwrXKuuAeJOU-jxzce-vJZprkAJ2HugrZe8c/edit?usp=sharing
Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HeOVCdDbwrXKuuAeJOU-jxzce-vJZprkAJ2HugrZe8c/edit?usp=sharing
Jesse3959
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It was the portable pocket sized edition Bokeh Craft, useful for parking in compact parking spaces.
The "700 feet" is a little ambiguous, you can take it in one of three ways:
1) 700 feet above sea level
2) 700 feet above the camera
3) 700 feet away from the camera (the line of sight distance).
The actual size depends on the line of sight distance. That depends on A) if it's above the sea level or above camera, AND the angle of the camera. I plugged in 45° for the latter as Okab is at about 42°, but of course varies depending on the actual time (need EXIF data).
If it's the height above the camera, we'd need to know where the camera is - but given the antenna, this upper level looks plausible
However, there are also various antenna-like things on the main deck.
1) 700 feet above sea level
2) 700 feet above the camera
3) 700 feet away from the camera (the line of sight distance).
The actual size depends on the line of sight distance. That depends on A) if it's above the sea level or above camera, AND the angle of the camera. I plugged in 45° for the latter as Okab is at about 42°, but of course varies depending on the actual time (need EXIF data).
If it's the height above the camera, we'd need to know where the camera is - but given the antenna, this upper level looks plausible
However, there are also various antenna-like things on the main deck.
Max Phalange
Senior Member
I realised that after I posted the workings-out above. If they do mean 700ft above sea level, and it's at approximately 45º above the horizon, then it's also 700ft away laterally. That gives roughly 1000ft of total distance: 100 * √(49+49).
So about 6ft across at that distance. A bit less if the cameraperson was up on that mast.
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Jesse3959
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Yeah I found that odd -- none of the other things sprouting from that top catwalk showed up in the video.
Also, is it just me, or is the 700ft claim absolutely unrelated to the video of the blinking triangle?
From what I can tell, the video of the blinking triangle was not pointed straight up, and the object in question was flying to someplace, not hovering.
The 700ft figure comes from the power point slide which says the triangles were hovering above the fantail of the ship.
And some of the photos in the power point slide actually appear to show the guy wires which means that photo was not taken from that top catwalk.
My current belief is that the 3 photos were of bokeh stars straight overhead, and the 700 feet was estimated, and that the flying triangle was taken from a different location on the ship, and was not over the ship, and that there is no claim as to the height or distance of the flying triangle.
Is it just me, or is there literally no official source claiming that the moving blinking triangle is 700 feet?
jackfrostvc
Senior Member
So it's either an airliner at 30k feet or something the size of a drone at 700 feet
Jesse3959
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It could be an airliner at 5k feet, depending on how far they are from an airport, or if it was even a jumbo jet.
There are also a lot of small aircraft with non-pressurized cabins that don't ever go up to where they can't breath.
But even if you watch the landing profile of jumbo jets, they start their descent quite a bit before reaching the airport.
The distance could have just been due to how far away it was rather than it's height (which is why it may have been visible below the clouds.)
Or anything inbetween.
Realistically, I think the higher altitude plane fits better with traffic in the area. But we really need a date, time, and location.
jackfrostvc
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In the December 2020 TheDebrief article below, Tim says he was told they had a clear pic of a triangle craft with lights at the corners as per below.
If they had a clear photo of a triangle craft , why leak a vid of triangle bokeh?
And I wonder who told Tim that
This whole thing is starting to smell badly.
"Overwhelmingly, everyone The Debrief spoke with said the most striking feature of the recently released UAPTF intelligence position report was the inclusion of a new and "extremely clear" photograph of an unidentifiable triangular aircraft.
The photograph, which is said to have also been taken from inside the cockpit of a military fighter jet, depicted an apparent aerospace vehicle described as a large equilateral triangle with rounded or "blunted" edges and large, perfectly spherical white "lights" in each corner. Officials who had seen it said the image was captured in 2019 by an F/A-18 fighter pilot.
Two officials that received the report said the photo was taken after the triangular craft emerged from the ocean and began to ascend straight upwards at a 90-degree angle. It was indicated that this event occurred off the eastern coast of the United States. Several other sources confirmed the photo's existence; however, they declined to provide any further specifics of the incident.
Officials who read the recent report say it primarily focused on "Unidentified Submersible Phenomena," or unidentified "transmedium" vehicles capable of operating both underwater and in the air. "
https://thedebrief.org/fast-movers-and-transmedium-vehicles-the-pentagons-uap-task-force/
If they had a clear photo of a triangle craft , why leak a vid of triangle bokeh?
And I wonder who told Tim that
This whole thing is starting to smell badly.
"Overwhelmingly, everyone The Debrief spoke with said the most striking feature of the recently released UAPTF intelligence position report was the inclusion of a new and "extremely clear" photograph of an unidentifiable triangular aircraft.
The photograph, which is said to have also been taken from inside the cockpit of a military fighter jet, depicted an apparent aerospace vehicle described as a large equilateral triangle with rounded or "blunted" edges and large, perfectly spherical white "lights" in each corner. Officials who had seen it said the image was captured in 2019 by an F/A-18 fighter pilot.
Two officials that received the report said the photo was taken after the triangular craft emerged from the ocean and began to ascend straight upwards at a 90-degree angle. It was indicated that this event occurred off the eastern coast of the United States. Several other sources confirmed the photo's existence; however, they declined to provide any further specifics of the incident.
Officials who read the recent report say it primarily focused on "Unidentified Submersible Phenomena," or unidentified "transmedium" vehicles capable of operating both underwater and in the air. "
https://thedebrief.org/fast-movers-and-transmedium-vehicles-the-pentagons-uap-task-force/
gtoffo
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I don't understand how it works very well... but I think it is illegal in the US for a journalist to share material clearly marked as "Classified". So it seems journalists are receiving a lot of material but are only cherrypicking what they release based on that. SO we are left with "the scraps"
catchupchup
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New here, trying to play catch up so my apologies if this has been covered.
But have we seen this report? - https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...us-drones-off-california-over-numerous-nights
It seems the 'drones' or whatever is shown in the pyramid craft video was spotted by multiple ships, over several hours, and two evenings.
We can see all the sightings, behavior, and times, recorded in the ships logs. What do we make of that?
I can see the argument for a plane at a much higher altitude (and out of focus) explaining the video we have, but that doesn't hold up with the wider context contained in that report
But have we seen this report? - https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...us-drones-off-california-over-numerous-nights
It seems the 'drones' or whatever is shown in the pyramid craft video was spotted by multiple ships, over several hours, and two evenings.
We can see all the sightings, behavior, and times, recorded in the ships logs. What do we make of that?
I can see the argument for a plane at a much higher altitude (and out of focus) explaining the video we have, but that doesn't hold up with the wider context contained in that report
jarlrmai
Senior Member.
All we can analyse is the video though, anything else is speculation.
There are a couple of possible things
1. Drone panic, the military is worried about actual drones, asks for sightings, this causes military people to see drones everywhere and mistake common phenomena like stars/planets/planes etc for drones. Similar to the Gatwick panic and a similar one in the US. Reports are made and footage taken, this later leaks as unidentified and due to default secrecy the results of any actual investigation never emerge leaving UFO believers to colour the narrative.
2. Actual military brinkmanship, a sort of intelligence cold war between China/Russia and the US where drones are flying over and testing our fleets but it's not worth the diplomatic incidents to shoot them down etc. Reports are made and footage taken, this later leaks as unidentified and due to default secrecy the results of any actual investigation never emerge leaving UFO believers to colour the narrative.
3. Some combination of the above.
There are a couple of possible things
1. Drone panic, the military is worried about actual drones, asks for sightings, this causes military people to see drones everywhere and mistake common phenomena like stars/planets/planes etc for drones. Similar to the Gatwick panic and a similar one in the US. Reports are made and footage taken, this later leaks as unidentified and due to default secrecy the results of any actual investigation never emerge leaving UFO believers to colour the narrative.
2. Actual military brinkmanship, a sort of intelligence cold war between China/Russia and the US where drones are flying over and testing our fleets but it's not worth the diplomatic incidents to shoot them down etc. Reports are made and footage taken, this later leaks as unidentified and due to default secrecy the results of any actual investigation never emerge leaving UFO believers to colour the narrative.
3. Some combination of the above.
JMartJr
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I disagree. Whatever else may or may not have been seen during other moments of the "drone flap," it is pretty clear what THIS image is showing. Other sightngs of other objects, whatever they might have been, don't changce what THIS video shows.
Another recreation
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VR9-TvZZSE
With discussion
Source: https://twitter.com/BenHansen00/status/1398202384724029441
Interesting, as Ben was initially a bit skeptical of the Bokeh idea.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VR9-TvZZSE
With discussion
Source: https://twitter.com/BenHansen00/status/1398202384724029441
Interesting, as Ben was initially a bit skeptical of the Bokeh idea.
jarlrmai
Senior Member.
Nice to have someone else corroborate bokeh, but are they aware that the other triangles are exact matches for Jupiter and stars? I mean the coincidence of having an out of focus night vision scope with triangle aperture rendering known astronomical objects as triangles at the exact same time as an actually triangle shaped object is seen with the triangle at the exact same angle as the bokeh effect is pretty extreme.
Again the link between the report and this video when no one has confirmed are are the same thing.
James Elkins II
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Hey Mick, having taken a college course in basic aviation wayback in the Fall of 1987, the first Aha-thought that immediately *Popped* into my head was simple aircraft "Navigation Lights" or a plane ('flasher') as you call it. I Suspect your Estimate and Analysis of the Misidentified "UFO" (or rather MFO) is Spot-on too! I mean, they way I look at, if there are competing unnatural-B.S.-explanations for a phenomenon the Simpliest is explanations for a phenomenon are most often the correct one ala 'Willie's of OK's Razor.' Personally I have no doubt whatsoever they are obviously NV camera artifacts of mundane natural objects i.e., the plane nav-flasher moving in a constant direction exactly the same way all planes move across the nite sky. Speaking of Night Vision, I myself own an old first Gen Nite Owl (Russian made) Optic Cyclops NightVision Monocular w/IR-Illuminator (Tube Gain 15000x Amp) and you're going to get all kinds image imperfections, artifacts and distortions. In Summation, think it's CASE CLOSED myself...So Bang-up Bokeh Job!
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HurricaneFighterPlane
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Helene Cooper, one of the NYT journalists who co-authored the original UAP articles back in 2017, says that she have seen these videos back then:
Source: https://twitter.com/helenecooper/status/1394676107786457093?s=19
Source: https://twitter.com/helenecooper/status/1394676107786457093?s=19
Scaramanga
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Bokeh or not...the real giveaway for me is the strobe lights. The very obvious question is, why would any subterfuge mission, alien or foreign nation, so blatantly advertise its presence with strobe lights ?
Seems unlikely, as the sphere one is from 2019
Source: https://twitter.com/Dusk_and_Dawn_V/status/1404146075070574598
And the triangle one has been dated the same. I think she's conflating it with the three older videos.
jackfrostvc
Senior Member
Maybe she is conflating with the mythical video of the pyramid UFO with round lights on the corners that supposedly rises from the sea.
Rumor of that has been going around for a while
Sounds like BS to me, but it would be interesting if they ever show something like that
Rumor of that has been going around for a while
Sounds like BS to me, but it would be interesting if they ever show something like that
metabuster
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The photons hitting the nvg set off electrons that get amplified then hit a phosphor layer if I understood correctly, so it would be possible that the objects were mundane however obscured by clouds, rain, distance but that the nvg allowed them to be visible anyway (and thus "remarkable", or at least, able to be remarked upon).
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Agent K
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I think they would've seen aircraft lights and stars with their eyes. I wouldn't expect NVG to see through clouds.
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