Pre 1995 Persistent Contrail Archive

[Rico]

I had to line them up before I saw the similarities. D'oh.

 

[Trailblazer]

I agree the quality of some flight sim screenshots are amazing!

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August 19, 1990

https://www.flickr.com/photos/13449558@N02/14460766554

I am pretty sure that date is wrong. Look at the camera model specified:

That's a digital camera, released circa 2004 I believe.

http://gvsoft.no-ip.org/exif/makernote-vivitar-type1.html


Incorrect date setting on the camera I think.

 

[deirdre]

I am pretty sure that date is wrong. Look at the camera model specified:

it's the "Billy Whizzer" (don't ask, Brits are weird) which according to Wiki opened in 2000.

2000 sawBeanolandopen on the former site of Circus World, bringing two new rides to the park:Billy's WhizzerandRodger the Dodger's Dodgems.[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chessington_World_of_Adventures


http://www.gettyimages.com/search/more-like-this/133648236

 

[David Fraser]

it's the "Billy Whizzer" (don't ask, Brits are weird) which according to Wiki opened in 2000.

2000 sawBeanolandopen on the former site of Circus World, bringing two new rides to the park:Billy's WhizzerandRodger the Dodger's Dodgems.[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chessington_World_of_Adventures


View attachment 11050 http://www.gettyimages.com/search/more-like-this/133648236

Off topic but it was a sad day when Beanoland closed :-(

 

[Whitebeard]

it's the "Billy Whizzer" (don't ask, Brits are weird)

Just for reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Whizz

Billy had his own ride at Chessington World of Adventures, a flying chair ride titled Billy's Whizzer, from the opening of Beanoland in 2000 until it was refurbished into Wild Asia in 2009.

 

[Whitebeard]

DH - Comet mk4 (late 1950's)

 

[Whitebeard]

Tupolev TU-104 (1960's?)

Another Tu-104, again early 60's, note persistent contrail in background

Tu-144 landing in Paris, 1977, again see contrails in sky

 

[M Bornong]

First Hydrogen Fueled Aircraft Flight Martin B-57 Canberra (1955)

On 13 February 1957, the first of three successful flights was made and the fuel system worked well.27The transition to hydrogen was made in two steps. The hydrogen lines were first purged, then the engine was operated on JP-4 and gaseous hydrogen simultaneously. After two minutes of operations on the mixture, Algranti switched to hydrogen alone. The transition was relatively smooth and there was no appreciable [107] change in engine speed or tailpipe temperature. The engine ran for about 20 minutes on hydrogen. The pilots found that the engine responded well to throttle changes when using hydrogen. When the supply was almost exhausted, the speed began to drop. As this became apparent, Algranti switched back to JP-4 and the engine accelerated smoothly to its operating speed. The engine burning hydrogen had produced a dense and persistent condensation trail, while the other engine operating on JP-4 left no trail.

http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4404/ch6-4.htm

 

[Whitebeard]

NB-52 'mothership, carrying X-15 rocket research plane with T-38 chase plane. date unknown, but pre-1968

Douglas D-558-2 Skyrocket and P2B 'mothership' (early 1950's)

 

[Whitebeard]

Martin x-24a and B-52 mothership circa 1970

 

[Trailblazer]

These aren't strictly pre-1995 - they're from July 1995, but I thought they were worth posting here as they're from somewhere a bit different.

I took these on Mount Kenya in East Africa when I was 18. They certainly look like contrails. They could be natural linear formations, but you can bet they'd be flagged up as "chemtrails" by believers.

 

[Trailblazer]

And going back a bit earlier, these are from my first school ski trip, in March 1991, in Les Deux-Alpes, France.

Two nice trails in that last photo, one just cutting across the top right corner. Shame I didn't get a shot slightly to the right!

 

[Mick West]

These aren't strictly pre-1995 - they're from July 1995, but I thought they were worth posting here as they're from somewhere a bit different.

I took these on Mount Kenya in East Africa when I was 18. They certainly look like contrails. They could be natural linear formations, but you can bet they'd be flagged up as "chemtrails" by believers.

I think that those are probably just natural clouds. In the first photo it's in-line with a larger bank of clouds.

The French Alps photos are contrails though.

 

[Trailblazer]

I think that those are probably just natural clouds. In the first photo it's in-line with a larger bank of clouds.

The French Alps photos are contrails though.

Yes I wasn't sure about the Kenya ones. The last photo does look a lot like contrails though. And, of course, in chemtrail circles any vaguely linear cloud is a chemtrail!

 

[Whitebeard]

Some old photo's of buses in the UK with contrails in the background

London Northern C334BUV (1991)

Leyland Tiger, Buchannan station, scotland (1981)

AC- regent, Leeds 1969

Various buses in Coventry 1970's

 

[Trailblazer]

Here's an interesting book title I came across. It's a history of the 94th Bombardment Group (Heavy), an 8 AF unit that was stationed in England during WWII. The book was published in 1980.

Snippet view is available through Google Books:

 

[Trailblazer]

And another nice source, not photographs but evidence of persistent contrails expanding into cloud and blotting out the sun, from this US Congress committee report:

On p337 we have a discussion between Emilio Q. Daddario and Dr Frederick Sargent II, of the University of Wisconsin-Green Bay:

 

[TEEJ]

I was looking through 'Chemtrails Global Skywatch' FB page.

From Red Dawn, 1984.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204614239409939&set=gm.10155110616315302&type=1&permPage=1

1960

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=930293086982868&set=p.930293086982868&type=1&permPage=1

 

[Trailblazer]

I was looking through 'Chemtrails Global Skywatch' FB page.

From Red Dawn, 1984.


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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204614239409939&set=gm.10155110616315302&type=1&permPage=1

That section of Red Dawn is available here. The scene pictured is around the 0:30 mark, but the contrails can be seen right from the start of this clip.

 

[Whitebeard]

From Red Dawn, 1984.

Got me thinking, there is apparently a contrail 'blooper' in the 1959 version of Ben Hur and another in 'Quest For Fire' (1981). can't find stills or clips to confirm that at the moment, but in my quest so far has turned up this.

A rare british aircraft disaster flick from 1959, note contrail at 1:23. (actually stock footage of what appears to be an RAF Supermarine Swift rather than a doomed jet liner)

 

[Graham2001]

Good find, but with Chemtrail believers thinking as per the 'Red Dawn' that the conspiracy is busy going around altering films, then even finding a copy of the original film would not prove that the vapour trails were there to begin with.

As a side note I do know that changes do happen to films over the years. The dialog for the VHS versions of "The Hunt for Red October" was altered slightly before the DVD release. When the captain of the USS Dallas is sending the secret morse code message, his line ends "...or the dimensions of Playboy of the month." in the VHS version, it's omitted in the DVD version.

And of course there are the games George Lucas played with the first Star Wars film...

 

[Whitebeard]

Another movie contrail...

Goldfinger (1964) Nice contrail behind Mr Connery @1:28

 

[TEEJ]

Cheyenne Autumn, 1964



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheyenne_Autumn

 

[hollywould]

Good find, but with Chemtrail believers thinking as per the 'Red Dawn' that the conspiracy is busy going around altering films, then even finding a copy of the original film would not prove that the vapour trails were there to begin with.

As a side note I do know that changes do happen to films over the years. The dialog for the VHS versions of "The Hunt for Red October" was altered slightly before the DVD release. When the captain of the USS Dallas is sending the secret morse code message, his line ends "...or the dimensions of Playboy of the month." in the VHS version, it's omitted in the DVD version.

And of course there are the games George Lucas played with the first Star Wars film...

I've looked at chemtrail sites that claim, "chemtrails being edited into old movies". The sites I've seen use as their evidence the Virgin Air commercial from 2005, in which a clip from the film "The Railway Children" was, along with footage from other old films, used in the making of the commercial. I consider this to be a prime example of the chemtrail sites' lack of journalistic integrity. This is bait-and-switch, in which a headline is posted for a article that differs in content from the headline's claim. It is far more accurate to state that a clip from an old (or vintage) film was used in the making of a contemporary commercial, and that a contrail was added to the clip, as well as a modern apartment building, to convey a sense of modernity.

 

[Efftup]

Yes, I think what they probably did, was find the same fence and just insert the modern background which happens to have a newer tree, and 2 buildings behind it, and it just happened to have the contrail behind it. rather than specifically add the contrail and buildings as separate artifacts. Entire discussion of that advert here: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/de...-footage-reused-in-modern-advertisement.2545/

 

[Mick West]

Not clear exactly how persistent this is, but an interesting page:
https://books.google.com/books?id=w...s cirrus contrail&pg=PA13#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[derwoodii]

C.W. McCALL CONVOY 1975 music clip 1.22 in 10 - 4 Rubber duck

 

[WeedWhacker]

Not clear exactly how persistent this is, but an interesting page:

That is an amazing find, and a great addition to this discussion.

'CAT' ('Clear Air Turbulence') can be intuited at lower altitudes due to orthographic flows (the previous term when entered into an Internet search function will provide 'reams' of information). The "Standing Lenticular" type of cloud is just one indication for pilots to be aware of, also....when air patterns at certain altitude/moisture content combinations are present.

The very term 'CAT' invokes what it describes: ALL pilots understand certain cloud formations, and expect turbulence based on clouds that they can see (if at night, then weather radar is a useful tool).

However, Earth's atmosphere can be incredibly complex and "IF" conditions for condensation of water vapor (to become visible) aren't present? Then the sheering and thus "Clear-Air" turbulence can be undetectable, beforehand.

 

[Chew]

I went to the library today and took a side trip to the aviation section. I found one of the most famous B-17 contrail photos in a book by Robert Jackson.




From this book:


Published in 1976:

 

[Chew]

I also found a WW2 contrail photo I've never seen before.



From this book:


Published in 1998. I know it's not pre-1995 but hey.

 

[Mick West]

went to the library today and took a side trip to the aviation section. I found one of the most famous B-17 contrail photos in a book by Robert Jackson.

And yet Tanker Enemy thinks it's fake:

 

[Mick West]

That's new to me too, and I can't find it via image search. Here's a squared version:

 

[Chew]

@Mick West , is there a way to upload photos that keeps the metadata?

 

[Mick West]

@Mick West , is there a way to upload photos that keeps the metadata?

You could just upload it in a Zip file, or upload it somewhere else, and link to it.

 

[Whitebeard]

A series of toy / model aircraft made by Playcraft toys in the uk, early 60's. the name of the line was 'VAPOUR TRAILS'

http://www.scalemodelnews.com/2012/03/oh-nostalgia-models-wed-completely.html

 

[Mick West]

January 1993
Skyline, Vancouver, BC by I am I.A.M., on Flickr
Skyline, Vancouver, BC by I am I.A.M., on Flickr

 

[Mick West]

September 1989
Untitled by amg2000, on Flickr

 

[Mick West]

Sydney, Australia, Nov 5, 1989
Sydney City Skyline by GothPhil, on Flickr

While this does not seem to have any contrails, it's a good example of the type of cirrus clouds that chemtrail enthusiasts think are suspicious.

Here's another from 1947, also in Australia.
Darling Harbour and Pyrmont docks, by David Moore by Australian National Maritime Museum on The Commons, on Flickr

 

[Mick West]

Cleveland, 1994:
Cleveland skyline, Nov. 15, 1994 by CPL Fine Arts & Special Collections, on Flickr

 

[Mick West]

1969 New York. Mostly clouds, but the center one looks like a contrail.

https://flic.kr/p/bqCwBv