Possibly, but the CIA contracts other companies in other countries, etc. they sure conducted activities only surfaced after WikiLeaks illuminated them . . . we are talking about maybe as few as 14 aircraft flown by a third party contractor within the territory of Russia, Canada and so forth . . . could the countries turn their head and stay above public criticism . . . ? Good question?
Political posturing . . .
Poll Finds Support for Geoengineering by Blocking Sunshine
So-called solar radiation management is popular according to a recent poll
By Julia Pyper and ClimateWire
A new study finds that the majority of people in America, Canada and Britain approve of more research in the nascent field of climate manipulation known as geoengineering.
A full 72 percent of participants in the survey, published in Environmental Research Letters, said they "supported" or "somewhat supported" the study of solar radiation management (SRM). The technique seeks to inject sulfur into the atmosphere to reflect sunlight and offset the warming caused by carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases.
"I think that level of support was higher than my co-authors and I were expecting," said Ashley Mercer, lead author and a Ph.D. candidate at the University of Calgary in Alberta. Mercer said she became interested in SRM because of the ethical implications of the climate-manipulating practice and a lack of documented public input on the matter.
The Internet-based poll of 3,105 people from Canada, the United Kingdom and the United States is the first international analysis on the public perception of geoengineering and SRM.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...-support-for-geoengineering-blocking-sunshine
Russia urges UN climate report to include geoengineering
The Russian government is asking for 'planet hacking' to be included in the climate science report, leaked documents show
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/sep/19/russia-un-climate-report-geoengineering
I don't know if the scientific community is paying enough attention to the potential of unilateral actions in the area of geoengineering . . . I think it is very difficult to detect if said activities are under way or being planned . . .
Within the context in which I was stating the obvious . . . No . . . the point is . . . the way to manage SO2 concentration in the stratosphere is extremely complicated and the where, when, how frequent and how long it stays in the Stratosphere whether the concentrations are increasing or decreasing is the only point . . .
How many times do I have to say I don't buy your argument any more than you buy mine . . . effects can be felt, measured, etc. and scientists can be fooled (SO2 has no finger prints) or confused about the real sources . . . it has happened, it did happen and it can happen again . . . especially if they ignore a possible explanation because of bias . . .
No kidding ? I was just pointing out how there was no accountibility with third party contractors by government . So it would make perfect sense to use a third party to geoengineer .
How in the world did you conclude that??
I respect you position . . . it is a matter of opinion . . .
Most . . . yes . . . the question presently is . . . is there now a greater chance politically for unilateral action by a country, countries or private third party to initiate a geoengineering program and if they did could they be stopped . . .
There has been speculation and an article cited earlier in the thread about Russia pushing to keep geoengineering on the table . . .
Russia urges UN climate report to include geoengineering
The Russian government is asking for 'planet hacking' to be included in the climate science report, leaked documents show
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/sep/19/russia-un-climate-report-geoengineering
In 2010, Russia joined with Japan in an attempt to water down a resolution to restrict research into geoengineering at a meeting of the Convention on Biological Diversity.
In pursuing the climate engineering agenda, a Russian government is likely to face fewer domestic constraints than more developed democracies. Pro-geoengineering analysts writing for a US conservative thinktank have argued thatnations with weak environmental lobbies (meaning China and Russia) will be able to deploy "solar radiation management" with muted internal opposition.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/sep/24/why-geoengineering-suits-russias-carbon-agenda
The following is all . . . the question presently is . . . is there now a greater chance politically for unilateral action by a country, countries or private third party to initiate a geoengineering program and if they did . . Could they be stopped . . Is IMO an important question. . .
I took the position that any nation or private foundation could not be stopped because there was no law or Treaty which would prevent them . . . if you would like to debunk that be my guest . . .
That's an interesting position. Although somewhat off topic considering the thread is titled "Is geoengineering occurring?" and not "Can geoengineering be stopped?"
Russ George the entrepreneur, rogue geoengineer, carbon credit schemer, champion of fish, scientist (with apparently no formal education) was twice prevented from conducting iron fertilization "experiments" without any laws or treaties in place. When he finally managed to dump 100 tons of iron in the ocean, he was fired from his own company, lost financial backing and is going before the courts to answer for his actions.
The latest word from the people who contracted Russ is that perhaps they will explore alternate avenues for increasing salmon stocks.
Let's get back on topic George. Is geoengineering occurring?
Yes, but would be rather slow . . .
Someone mentioned this, didn't they? That it would be noticable?When Mount Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, spewing tons of sulfate particles in the atmosphere, it temporarily whitened the sky.
Your making no sense to me . . . what is your point?
