Hello all,
I know I am very late to this party, but I would like to address an aspect of this video I dont feel has been properly discussed.
First off, let me give you my paradigm, that way you will know my perspective: I believe extraterrestrials have visited, I believe they are out there...I also know that 99% of the "UFO" videos we see on the internet are either hoaxes or misunderstood natural phenomena.
My point is this: most CME exhibit the characteristics of explosions; explosions outwards along heavy electromagnetic fields, but outward non the less. In this video, even though the "sphere" (tube, spaceship, low density region...whatever you want to call it) and tendril are shot outward, you see blow-back on the surface of the sun which (in my opinion) is not unlike our own spaceships taking off and the large blast from their rockets. I would like to hear your thoughts on this aspect of the clip.
Lastly, I have noticed you expressed incredulity about a spaceship the size of earth and the fact that such a spaceship would ever refuel from the sun. People have been expressing this sort of disdain for the entire history of man. Every great idea has first been ridiculed: automobiles, airplanes, even computers. Going back further, people were ridiculed for thinking the earth wasnt flat, or that we werent the center of the universe. I guess what I am trying to say is: just because we cant do it, or we cant imagine a use for it, doesnt mean it doesnt exist, and thinking along the terms of only what we know is possible will always hold us back as a species.
I will reference a video I watched by Michio Kaku: he says there are three types of civilizations
Type 1 (Planetary): has harnessed the power of their entire planet.
Type 2 (Stellar): Has harnessed the power of the entire solar system including their star.
Type 3 (Galactic): Has harnessed the power of multiple stars perhaps even an entire galaxy.
He goes on to say that we are not even a Type one yet, but if you follow this logic, The technological progression would inexorably lead to exactly what we are seeing in this video: refueling from the most concentrated accessible fuel source for light-years around: our sun. If you imagine a civilization advanced enough to travel the stars, they could very conceivably come up with a form of electromagnetic deflection which would allow them to pass close enough to this fuel source while not damaging their craft, and If they are traveling the stars, they would need to bring a wealth of tools, personnel, equipment, and supplies to account for all sorts of possibilities which could easily mean a spaceship that size. To leave with much less would be a gross error in judgement and basically amount to suicide, were there to be an unforeseen problem along the way.
Sorry for the rambling. I look forward to your response.
-Will
Couple of things.. but first I want to say that most people who are scientifically minded do also agree that there's life elsewhere in the universe (at least that Im familiar with myself).
Ok so, first off. Ive seen the lectures you're talking about with Michio Kaku, and there's a couple of things that he leaves out because its a based assumption that others already have an understanding. What Dr Kaku leaves out, and that you're not considering is not just the technology gap but the assumption that space faring races will be willing to even look at the earth as a source of intelligent life.. and that if they DO, are they even going to pay attention to us as a species?
Let me put it another way. There's ROUGHLY a 1% to 2% difference in the DNA between Chimpanzees and Humans. They're our closest living relatives. We look at chimps and go "oh, how cute!" Now imagine a species that was 1% different/more advanced than we are currently. How would they see humans? Wed be below their radar. This is why you're getting pushback about the spacecraft.
People always make the assumption that humans are so important that anyone traveling around the galaxy is going to take notice of us and then want to hide, or be all secretive or use the sun's corona as some sort of cloaking device. Why bother? We would be to them as ants or worms are to us. To steal a phrase from Dr Neil Tyson.. "When was the last time you spoke to a worm and expected it to reply back?"
Next.. any species that has the ability to travel between stars has billions of other stars to choose from that put out MUCH more energy than ours does. Further to that, if a ship were to park itself where these pictures suggest would be the equivalent of parking your car inside the massive tank that holds the fuel under the gas station and then pumping the fuel into the car. Im sure that if we can find easier and safer ways to do that here, with our level of tech, that a space faring species would have safer/easier ways to do that as well. Think about it logically.. why would anyone park a vehicle THAT size THAT close to the fuel source? What happens if there's a solar flare? What happens if there's a CME? How much MORE energy are you pouring OUT of your vehicle to fight against the gravity of the sun, so that you can "refuel" your space craft?
One of the claims is that the vehicle is EARTH sized. We already know that physical objects have mass.. anything that passes through the boson field has mass, so a vehicle with THAT much mass is going to have to fight its own gravity AS WELL as that of the sun to maintain a stationary orbit.
If you go back and pay attention to the ENTIRE lecture Kaku gives, youll also note that interstellar species require massive amounts of energy.. equivalent to the amount of energy our sun produces in its LIFETIME.. so are they "just topping up?" If they're using this kind of technology you're referring to why havent they drained the sun dry?
This is where Occam's Razor comes into play.. what is more likely... a mysterious interstellar species with massive power requirements pops into our solar system to steal JUST enough solar energy to top up their storage cells OR.. its what Mick and the others have been saying and its just an artifact caused by the cameras we use here on earth?
Most often times the most simple solution, is the correct solution. Does this mean that Im dismissing the idea of NTIs? No. It does mean, however, that there's not enough evidence to suggest that we are now, or have ever been visited, nor are we likely TO be visited anytime soon.. especially given the fact that we're still in our technological infancy and cant get our asses beyond the stupidity of skin color and religion as a reason to hate one another.
Personally, Id love to have NTIs visit this planet in my life time, or for us to send a probe that finds ANY kind of life in our solar system, let alone another planet in our galaxy.. but we have to accept the fact that there's absolutely zero evidence to support the hypothesis that Non Terrestrial Intelligence have visited this planet and/or our solar system. Im not turning a blind eye, or being closed minded.. Im LOOKING for evidence to support the idea, but every piece of supposed evidence thats come around has either had a reasonabl/rational explanation or has been a hoax... or a TV commercial.
Here's a good documentary from NOVA on the very subject: