Crisis Actors.
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Svartbjørn
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I think he's posting that, JR, to show that Fema has actors...
yes Most emergency services DO enlist actors.. but they're volunteers for Mass Casualty (Mas Cas for short) drills.. aircraft crashes etc.. but they're not paid, they're not hidden, the events are known to the general public and there are usually fliers up all over the place asking for ppl to get all dolled up in Moulage to play the part.. Ive participated in them myself, they're fun.. but EVERYONE knows about it.. there are announcements on the radio, in the local news papers, posted up in tons of public spaces JUST so that the general public dont panic when they see 2/3 of their emergency services racing to a scene with sirens blaring and lights flashing. These things are announced weeks and MONTHS ahead of time. This isnt something thats dropped all of the sudden, and definitely not without the public being involved.. FFS its a chance for politicians to shake hands, kiss babies.. for the press to get involved (which they do.. try being tied to a gurney with recorders shoved in your face, asking you how you felt as the plane you were in hurtled to the ground).
Let's also put out there that NO Mass Cas drill is nearly as elaborate as it what's portrayed in conspiracies.. For example, the aircraft scenario I took part in years ago.. used pallets to signify aircraft parts.. ribbons to indicate bodies or parts of bodies in the trees, flags to indicate fuel spillage etcetcetc... These drills are run to prep emergency services for the REAL thing IF it were to occur. To figure out where each departments strengths and weaknesses are so that (god forbid) the real thing occurs, the response time is as small as possible so that as many people as possible can be given the appropriate medical treatment and get them to the hospital to save their lives.
When I hear people claim that Boston, Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech etc are all false flags for some BS conspiracy that has no grounding in reality.. it gets a little irritating. My mother is a Paramedic, as is my ex-wife.. I have friends and family that are cops, firefighters, ER Docs, and Nurses.. Its a normal part of being in emergency services.. you have to drill drill drill so that when you DO have to put that training into action, it becomes second nature.. you save someones mother, father, sister, brother, cousin... These drills are not a secret and absolutely anyone can participate.. the public is ENCOURAGED to participate so that they get a taste of what EMS goes through and see it first hand.
Freak
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For the love of God, please. PLEASE tell me your answer to them was that you shat yourself.
Freak
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I was involved in a similar excercise while I was in the Marines (forgive me for forgetting some of thr specifics, this was a bit over 20 years ago), except we were agressors rather than victims.
It was my first day getting dropped into my unit, and I was told that night we were going to go play "protestors" in a peacekeeping excercise. There was a blocked off area with "refugees" being guarded by Marines and it was our job to basically harrass them. Obviously we couldn't throw rocks or anything like that, so we threw water baloons instead. A few of our guys attempted to sneak past the guards and into the camp, but got caught. It was fun.
Another time I had to pretend to have a sucking chest wound for a first aid demonstration. As I am a method actor, I filled my mouth with cherry Gatorade and "coughed" it up while they were fixing me. Good times.
It was my first day getting dropped into my unit, and I was told that night we were going to go play "protestors" in a peacekeeping excercise. There was a blocked off area with "refugees" being guarded by Marines and it was our job to basically harrass them. Obviously we couldn't throw rocks or anything like that, so we threw water baloons instead. A few of our guys attempted to sneak past the guards and into the camp, but got caught. It was fun.
Another time I had to pretend to have a sucking chest wound for a first aid demonstration. As I am a method actor, I filled my mouth with cherry Gatorade and "coughed" it up while they were fixing me. Good times.
Whitebeard
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In the uk 'actors' for such exercises are provided by the charity 'The Casualties Union'
http://www.casualtiesunion.org.uk/
so a big scarey organisation sworn to secrecy there then,
http://www.casualtiesunion.org.uk/
I've known a few people who have been involved with them over the years, a lot of their members are also involved with organisations like The Red Cross, St John's Ambulance etc. Some members also do extra work for hospital dramas on telly and film and the CU themselves also take part in public displays by the emergency services at village fetes etc.Casualties Union is a registered charity, No. 234672. The objects are “To advance for the public benefit education and training in first aid, the treatment of illness, nursing, rescue, accident prevention, care in the community and similar activities, particularly through casualty simulation”.
Our members are all volunteers, and their expenses for travelling to duties and using make-up materials are reimbursed to them out of the clients’ donations that are agreed in advance, to ensure that our costs are covered. Members also pay annual subscriptions.
We are managed by an Executive Committee consisting of up to 7 Trustees, four of whom are elected by the membership. They liaise closely with Council, a committee of Regional Directors and specialist roles.
so a big scarey organisation sworn to secrecy there then,
Hevach
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I got to watch one of these things in a hospital one time while waiting for a cast and none of them had that level of dedication. I've written about it on the forum in the past, but it was almost surreal how nobody actually did anything. Victims read symptoms off a card, doctors wrote treatments under them, and two guys with clipboards just wandered around checking cards and shaking their heads at each other.
Trailspotter
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NoParty
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Can you please not do this? (simply post a cryptic visual with no explanation)
I haven't read all 200 posts on this thread, so I have no idea what point you're trying to make.
Is your point that FEMA openly enlists people for training exercises, and broadcasts this fact to the world?
And what relevance is the "4/27/13" time stamp if you're posting it on 2/6/15?
(and I don't even wanna know about the Sen. Byrd interest)
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Svartbjørn
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Freak
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No, Marine Corps Base Hawaii in July of '94.
Svartbjørn
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Ahh ok. We did the same thing at MCAGCCS at 29 in 98... Thought we might have bumped into one another lol. Thanks Freak
Freak
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Actually I wasn't supposed to be "acting", because it wasn't an excersize. We had an engine go on the transport plane we were on and had to land at a different airport, and while we were waitingbfor Helo's to take us the rest of the way, someone figured it would be a good time to get some of out yearly training requirements out of the way. It was more like a class on the flight line. I just decided to spice it up a bit.
Marine0811
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This is evidence of a crisis actor at 9/11. He has black suits supervising his interview. The second man in the suit wouldn't even reveal his job there.
The first suit says " yeah" and the reporter immediately cuts the interview.
The crisis actor uses keywords to describe the towers falling such as structural failure due to fire and ground zero.
(2013) 9/11 Actor Exposed - Fake Witness Live on TV:
The first suit says " yeah" and the reporter immediately cuts the interview.
The crisis actor uses keywords to describe the towers falling such as structural failure due to fire and ground zero.
(2013) 9/11 Actor Exposed - Fake Witness Live on TV:
MikeC
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What keywords? How do you know they are "keywords"? Who is the person? How do you actually know this person is a "crisis actor" - specifically what are the criteria and how are they met?
'cos the video is just someone saying "this guy is a crisis actor" - why should I believe that - or even take it seriously??
'cos the video is just someone saying "this guy is a crisis actor" - why should I believe that - or even take it seriously??
Marine0811
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He said the tower fail due to fire structural failure. That was before it was reported by the media. He had no knowledge of whether or not it was bombed. The planes are debunked on video, so I know he was making that part up. Men in black don't supervise and regulate innocent interviews. The interview was his main concern.
Pete Tar
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How were the planes debunked and what part did he make up, can you post quotes?
Svartbjørn
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How do you know? What evidence do you have other than this video?
I thought the MiB were solely responsible for suppressing alien encounters and evidence of aliens.. this is the first time Ive heard any kind of anything dealing with the Men In Black being dispatched (especially in broad daylight AND with cameras around) to cover up anything in or around 9/11. To what end? For what purpose? Did Aliens bring down the towers?? (and no this isnt a movie or comic book reference)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_in_BlackMen in Black (MIB) are men dressed in black suits who claim to be government agents who harass or threaten UFO witnesses to keep them quiet about what they have seen. It is sometimes implied that they may be aliens themselves. The term is also frequently used to describe mysterious men working for unknown organizations, as well as various branches of government allegedly designed to protect secrets or perform other strange activities. The term is generic, used for any unusual, threatening or strangely behaved individual whose appearance on the scene can be linked in some fashion with a UFO sighting.
deirdre
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Rick Leventhal admits at around 10:07 am the FBI are on scene (40 seconds in ) but the first guy doesnt look government, his collar and tie are all askew. Looks like a regular business man edging in, as others are also doing, to hear the news.
But, Marine0811, of all the CT vids on this interview, you should pick one that doesnt claim Mark Walsh isnt Mark Walsh. Even 'nodisinfo' did a debunk proving Mark Walsh really is Mark Walsh.
Heres a bunch of his 'reporter type' friends discussing his appearance that very day (around 45 seconds in)
he is a Fox affiliate, just like Leventhal says. Here he is ON Fox discussing some stunt gone bad.
As far as terminology he uses, maybe watch some more of Rick Leventhal (and otehr reporter coverage) from 10 am-10:30ish. whether it is fire or explosion etc is discussed and pondered throughout the morning coverage, doesnt seem odd to me Mark would self deduce 'fire' from info he has gathered earlier that morning. There are otehr reporters who say "steel melts" throughout the morning.
And reporter types use the term 'ground zero'. They just do. Bottom line for me is, since Mark Walsh is a KNOWN tv/radio personality, he is the least likely of the hundreds interviewed to be a crisis actor.
But, Marine0811, of all the CT vids on this interview, you should pick one that doesnt claim Mark Walsh isnt Mark Walsh. Even 'nodisinfo' did a debunk proving Mark Walsh really is Mark Walsh.
Heres a bunch of his 'reporter type' friends discussing his appearance that very day (around 45 seconds in)
he is a Fox affiliate, just like Leventhal says. Here he is ON Fox discussing some stunt gone bad.
As far as terminology he uses, maybe watch some more of Rick Leventhal (and otehr reporter coverage) from 10 am-10:30ish. whether it is fire or explosion etc is discussed and pondered throughout the morning coverage, doesnt seem odd to me Mark would self deduce 'fire' from info he has gathered earlier that morning. There are otehr reporters who say "steel melts" throughout the morning.
And reporter types use the term 'ground zero'. They just do. Bottom line for me is, since Mark Walsh is a KNOWN tv/radio personality, he is the least likely of the hundreds interviewed to be a crisis actor.
Whitebeard
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Err, the STRUCTURE under went catastrophic FAILURE and collapse, anyone seeing it happen would say the same or similar, hell, I remember thinks along those lines at the time..
If this is the latest smoking gun so called proof that proves 9-11 was an inside job then the truthers must be really scraping the barrel out of desperation to support their claims.
Err, the STRUCTURE under went catastrophic FAILURE and collapse, anyone seeing it happen would say the same or similar, hell, I remember thinks along those lines at the time..
If this is the latest smoking gun so called proof that proves 9-11 was an inside job then the truthers must be really scraping the barrel out of desperation to support their claims.
It's an old claim, just a bit obscure.
MikeC
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Which seems a perfectly reasonable thing to say since they collapsed after having been on fire. He's not an expert as far as I can tell - he's someone saying what he saw and what he concluded from that.
and so?
I have no idea what this means.
Again I have no idea what this means - can you explain what you are saying and what you are concluding more clearly please?
BombDr
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I think I might have looked a bit lost if I had been in Manhattan that morning....
JRBids
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Agree, I was 70 miles away and I was pretty lost and in shock. Those of us who go to the city, or know people who go to the city, were calling our friends to make sure they were there. My friend in AZ called me to make sure I wasn't in the WTC, although it was unlikely I would be, we were all in shock and checking. I called my mother, because my dad occasionally had meetings in there. I called my airline captain neighbor to make sure he and his flight attendant wife weren't flying. Our neighbor was killed.
Wedge
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The assumption you are making based on the assertions from the person who created this video are just so absurd. It's so easy to look back at an event and weave a false narrative...of course, it's also intellectually dishonest.
Hevach
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What you call "keywords" I might call "a know-it-all smarty-pants trying to sound like he has a better understanding of what's going on than the confused and frightened people around him." The guy at the party who will correct a casual comment about the 2000 popular vote by saying, "Well, actually Bob," and then launching into a dissertation on the minutia of Florida electoral districts that he picked up watching CNN between naps.
That's not at all fair, he could actually have some expertise and know what he's talking about. But his words are consistent with two things that don't require him to be a crisis actor: Knowing what he's talking about and not knowing what he's talking about. The odds of one of those two things being correct is pretty high.
That's not at all fair, he could actually have some expertise and know what he's talking about. But his words are consistent with two things that don't require him to be a crisis actor: Knowing what he's talking about and not knowing what he's talking about. The odds of one of those two things being correct is pretty high.
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I may be wrong but I think it all started with James Tracy, a lecturer at Florida University. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/08/fau-professor-newtown-massacre-james-tracy_n_2428898.html
It really is a ridiculous claim and fails at most levels. At the end of the day actors are not well known for their discretion are they?
What I find ridiculous, and really it is quite, is how quickly people's questions or supporting evidence is dismissed as 'ridiculous'.
So what is metabunk for? To share an idea that's different from the general consensus that gets picked apart with theoretic explanations using the very media sources that produce the questions?
So this threads question is what? That there is no such thing as crisis actors outside of those that are used in emergency drill situations...correct?
It is all really sad, honestly. Because the same footage that I've watched that led me to believe the absolute worst, has been presented in manners (the Orlando shooting in particular) literally hours after the event, showing glaring holes in what's been reported, causing me to think something even worse has happened
Instead of any fears being put to rest by medical professionals, surgeons, nurses, or hospital administrators speaking about the chaos that must have ensued after having 53 wounded dumped in their ER to mend or stabilize there was a press conference with an alleged victim that claimed to be shot six times, while at a table with the doctors/staff from the hospital. When a reporter directed a question to the table of surgeons asking which of them operated on this victim (who had a miraculous recovery because after being shot in the hand by an AR15 he didn't even require a bandage for the wound) not one person at that table had a word to say.
If I have to quote the sources I will, but I'm pretty sure you know exactly which press conference I am referring to
Instead of any fears being put to rest by medical professionals, surgeons, nurses, or hospital administrators speaking about the chaos that must have ensued after having 53 wounded dumped in their ER to mend or stabilize there was a press conference with an alleged victim that claimed to be shot six times, while at a table with the doctors/staff from the hospital. When a reporter directed a question to the table of surgeons asking which of them operated on this victim (who had a miraculous recovery because after being shot in the hand by an AR15 he didn't even require a bandage for the wound) not one person at that table had a word to say.
If I have to quote the sources I will, but I'm pretty sure you know exactly which press conference I am referring to
Pete Tar
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This is thread is a not very focused one looking at the general claims about crisis actors. I think the general conclusion is that there is no evidence for, and sometimes there is a direct evidence against, the claims made about crisis actors, depending on the specific claim. I think there are a few threads around dealing with specific claims.
Pete Tar
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Yeah, anything you want a discussion on should always give exact quotes and sources so it can be examined, it's best not to assume people know what you mean.
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