Debunked: Ancient Aliens

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Several years ago, my son and I did an expedition to Costa Rica. One part of our month long trip included a look for the stone spheres found there in a river delta on the Pacific coast. There are plenty of them to be found, most were looted from their original resting sites and taken to grace museums, parks, public buildings and lawns at houses of the wealthy. No one knows exactly what they were, and some say they were made by aliens. I say they represent hard work.


There is a park under development where many are being repatriated back from where they were taken. At the time, we had to jump the fence and get into the park construction site for a look. They really aren't a tourist item yet.
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We found a fairly large private collection some miles away at a wealthy man's home and talked our way in by asking the gardener.
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We even took a boat ride to an offshore island where some had been found. At the island, the sphere were just sitting around among various artifacts on a trail through the jungle.
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The high point was a day long search for "El Silencio" (The Silent One), the largest sphere known. Very few people had heard of it, even those living in the nearest town, and only as we got closer to the rumored location were we able to find someone who knew. After hiking all day and passing up the turn in the trail that led to it, we chanced to try that path and found it.
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Read more about Los Esferos de Indios:
http://www.atoda.com/amerindian/petrospheres.php
 
Pete Tar said:
Why do people think they can only have been created by aliens?
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Hopefully this doesn't sound too strange. I've often wondered if examples in this context are attributable to latent bigotry or racism. Few (if any) seem to think the Greeks or Romans needed extraterrestrial assistance for their construction and engineering projects in classical antiquity. But when we move away from Europe or the Mediterranean into Africa or the Ancient Near East, or Central/South America... that's when aliens get invoked, as if to say X culture was too stupid to build Y, therefore ET. I hope I'm wrong, but it does cross my mind.

P.S.: Wonderful shots, Jay -- thanks for sharing.
 
Oxymoron said:
So they are putting forward a theory to explain it away?

Do they also put forward another theory to explain:

http://manvsarchaeology.wordpress.com/2012/02/01/creation-x-files-part-1/
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The nuclear activation analysis revealed that the bell contains a strange mix of metals, different from any known modern alloy, with an unusual mixture including copper, zinc, tin, arsenic, iodine, and selenium. While it is brass, it is not the brass alloy that has been used by our civilization since at least the rise of the Sumerian culture some six thousand years ago.
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I've often encountered stories like these that claim a substance is out of place or not of this Earth due to a lab analysis but the claim always falls flat. The article does not reference the study, nor does any other article that mentions it. If you could find that study, that would be great. In the meantime, the unusual metals is not proof of ancient origin.

http://www.ecalpemos.org/2010/07/mystery-of-bell-found-in-coal.html

Copper and zinc are the main components of brass so they have to be present or it isn't brass. Copper and tin produces bronze and tin is sometimes added to brass to make it harder wearing (for use in bearings for example). Arsenic and Antimony are routinely added in tiny quantities to reduce corrosion, especially in brass used in ships.

Further to this, although it is possible to buy off the shelf bars of brass a lot of casting work relies on melting down scrap brass. In fact brass is one of the most recycled metals due to the value of the copper it contains. In any business casting non mechanical wear items like ornaments and clothes fastenings there will be little concern about what brass scraps go into the mix other than their price.

In my opinion the case that the alloy the bell is made from is unusual indicating some ancient origin is not proven. The presence of the additional metals actually indicates a recent manufacturing date not an ancient date, after the routine use of brass in ships and the discovery of the necessary additives. It is more likely that the brass started life as worn bearings and ship's fittings from a breakers yard, and that it was manufactured by an artisan in India or elsewhere in Asia in the hundred years preceding its discovery.
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Dan Wilson said:
I've often encountered stories like these that claim a substance is out of place or not of this Earth due to a lab analysis but the claim always falls flat. The article does not reference the study, nor does any other article that mentions it. If you could find that study, that would be great. In the meantime, the unusual metals is not proof of ancient origin.

http://www.ecalpemos.org/2010/07/mystery-of-bell-found-in-coal.html
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Well that's another theory to add to the mix. Certainly a good one and one I hadn't thought of. As valid as any but again not conclusive. :)

It seems to me that it shouldn't be beyond the wit of science, especially with micro levels of magnification available, to differentiate between a concretion and proper rock/coal formation. Any ideas?


http://geology.com/articles/coal-through-a-microscope.shtml

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If we had the rocks it was found in, we might be able to. Most of them seemed to have been found in the later 1800s and early part of the 1900's.
 
Cairenn said:
If we had the rocks it was found in, we might be able to. Most of them seemed to have been found in the later 1800s and early part of the 1900's.
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I like the royal 'we'. :)

The artifacts and their covering of rock/coal are still available and rock and coal are all around us so a comparison seems quite reasonable. There are some excellent geologists around who I should imagine can give a scientific analysis should they decide. Perhaps JR may have some insight?
 
Oxymoron said:
I like the royal 'we'. :)

The artifacts and their covering of rock/coal are still available and rock and coal are all around us so a comparison seems quite reasonable. There are some excellent geologists around who I should imagine can give a scientific analysis should they decide. Perhaps JR may have some insight?
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Are we talking about the hammer in the petrified wood? I don't know but we have a meeting on Monday, I can ask a couple of the other members.
 
JRBids said:
Are we talking about the hammer in the petrified wood? I don't know but we have a meeting on Monday, I can ask a couple of the other members.
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Yes... and any other 'encased' oop articles. That would be great. Thanks.

Here is another example, which whilst it's current whereabouts being unknown, make it moot; I would value an informed opinion as to what type of experiments could be carried out to clarify the origin, (if it were available).

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/coso.html

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Very little is known about the initial physical inspections of the artifact. According to discoverer Virginia Maxey, a geologist she spoke with who examined the fossil shells encrusting the specimen said the nodule had taken at least 500,000 years to attain its present form. However, the identity of the first geologist is still a mystery, and his findings were never officially published.
 
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Oxymoron said:
Well that's another theory to add to the mix. Certainly a good one and one I hadn't thought of. As valid as any but again not conclusive. :)
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It might always be that way since we don't know where exactly it was found. What we can do it is see what can be supported by what evidence we can pull out of it. As far as I'm concerned, the explanations presented here are more likely than the idea of an Atlantis-like civilization or aliens.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/coso.html

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http://ncse.com/rncse/24/2/coso-artifact

The Coso Artifact was indeed a remarkable device. It was a 1920s-era Champion spark plug that probably powered a Ford engine, possibly modified to serve mining operations in the Coso mountain range of California. To suggest that it was a device belonging to an advanced civilization of the ancient past could be interpreted as true, but only if we redefine "ancient" to mean "the early 20th century".
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I have seen reports about how ferrous metals can rust in rock and make a strange geode like structure which can look older than it is. My proof for alien stuff would be items made from new and unknown materials or hover tech or deathrays not rusted hunks of old metal.

As to ancient aliens I agree about the soft racist element. The only Greek megastructure under "suspicion" is Balbek (sp?). Part of the offensiveness of saying x could not build y is the intellectual laziness. The AA proponents look at genuine mysteries like the great pyramids and throw up their hands and say aliens did it. I would argue they were predisposed to come to that answer any way. But the answer is silly like Sherlock Holmes investigating a locked room mystery for 5 minutes and just saying ghosts did it. Maybe there is a more mundane solution. For the pyramids it has been theorized that they were built using interior ramps and a system of ropes, weights, and sledges to create crude freight elevator on the interior ramps. Simple and elegant and no need for nonexistent hover tech or modern cranes or excessive labor and materials.
 
Seems the Russians have some interesting finds. . .

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POSTED ON DECEMBER 17, 2013 BY NEWS44
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300 Million Year Old Machinery Found In Russia

The metal detail which was recently found by Vladivostok resident is yet another discovery which perplexed the scientists. The coal in which the metal object was pressed was delivered to Primorye from Chernogorodskiy mines of Khakasia region. Knowing that the coal deposits of this region date 300 million years back, Russian experts inferred that the metal detail found in these deposits must be an age-mate of the coal.

http://news44.net/?p=889
 
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Seems the scientists are taking the findings seriously . . .

http://news44.net/?p=889

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It is the first such finding in coal made in Russia, according to anomaly researcher and biologist Valery Brier, who took microscopic samples of the aluminum for testing. Valery Brier performed X-ray diffraction analysis of the metal. It showed very pure aluminum with microimpurities of magnesium of only 2 – 4 percent.
 
George B said:
Seems the Russians have some interesting finds. . .
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This story and pictures have been going around for a while.


This is honestly tabloid-level stuff. The posted article is full of bunk and hoaxes, from the Dorchester Pot to the image of crinoid fossils which the Weekly World News lifted from this Wikimedia Commons photo and tried to pass off as an ancient machine. (The fossil formation is from France, not Russia.)

George B said:
Seems the scientists are taking the findings seriously . . .
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By the way, other websites list "Valery Brier" as a ufologist rather than a biologist. Much would have to be established in order to even consider taking any of this seriously.
 
Has anyone tried to debunk the following?

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Ancient City Found in India, Irradiated from Atomic Blast
Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous. A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built.


Supporting Evidence:

http://veda.wikidot.com/ancient-city-found-in-india-irradiated-from-atomic-blast

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ancientatomicwar/esp_ancient_atomic_12.htm

http://s8int.com/atomic2.html

http://www.beforeus.com/indusa.htm

Debunking:
http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/fight-club/39882-science-god-20.html#post852612

http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/ancient-nuclear-warefare/

http://www.sciforums.com/can-some-sceptics-debunk-this-for-me-t-33278.html

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternativ...radiated-by-atomic-blast-debunked-201540.html
 
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George B said:
Has anyone tried to debunk the following?

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Ancient City Found in India, Irradiated from Atomic Blast
Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous. A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built.


Supporting Evidence:

http://veda.wikidot.com/ancient-city-found-in-india-irradiated-from-atomic-blast

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ancientatomicwar/esp_ancient_atomic_12.htm

http://s8int.com/atomic2.html

http://www.beforeus.com/indusa.htm

Debunking:
http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/fight-club/39882-science-god-20.html#post852612

http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/ancient-nuclear-warefare/

http://www.sciforums.com/can-some-sceptics-debunk-this-for-me-t-33278.html

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternativ...radiated-by-atomic-blast-debunked-201540.html
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Seems we have a problem with the lack of a verifiable source for the original radiation story . . .

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Site after site, relentlessly claim the above story, basically copy/pasting each other, but fail to give any reference to original news article. There is no mention of a press release, or something similar, by the Government of India or Pakistan or Britain. This huge event i.e. unearthing of such a radioactive skeleton, which has the potential of turning our history book right on its head, is not even mentioned in any archeological web sites like ASI, orMohenjodaro.net or Harappa.com, or even the Hindu propaganda web sites. (These Hindu apologist sites do claim that the vedic India was nuclear, but, thankfully, do not point at the ruins of Indus Valley civilization as evidence. They have their own reasons, of course.)
http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/fight-club/39882-science-god-20.html#post852612
 
I believe that story was addressed in the documentary posted in the OP. Same problem you pointed out here, no references to actual data. It seems to be something that was literally just made up.
 
Pete Tar said:
Didn't you answer your own question - or do you consider the debunking lacking?
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I started to look at the issue initially and didn't find the debunking sources until after I posted the original question . . . I edited and updated the Post with the debunking material . . . I would still be interested in any input . . .
 
This is rather interesting . . . has anyone investigated its accuracy ?

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http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/499601-mysterious-viking-sword-made-with-technology-from-the-future/

Mysterious Viking Sword Made With Technology From the Future?
By Tara MacIsaac, Epoch Times | February 10, 2014
Last Updated: February 10, 2014 3:08 pm

The Viking sword Ulfberht was made of metal so pure it baffled archaeologists. It was thought the technology to forge such metal was not invented for another 800 or more years, during the Industrial Revolution.

About 170 Ulfberhts have been found, dating from 800 to 1,000 A.D. A NOVA, National Geographic documentary titled "Secrets of the Viking Sword" first aired in 2012 took a look at the enigmatic sword's metallurgic composition.

 
George B said:
This is rather interesting . . . has anyone investigated its accuracy ?

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http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/499601-mysterious-viking-sword-made-with-technology-from-the-future/

Mysterious Viking Sword Made With Technology From the Future?
By Tara MacIsaac, Epoch Times | February 10, 2014
Last Updated: February 10, 2014 3:08 pm

The Viking sword Ulfberht was made of metal so pure it baffled archaeologists. It was thought the technology to forge such metal was not invented for another 800 or more years, during the Industrial Revolution.

About 170 Ulfberhts have been found, dating from 800 to 1,000 A.D. A NOVA, National Geographic documentary titled "Secrets of the Viking Sword" first aired in 2012 took a look at the enigmatic sword's metallurgic composition.

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Seems inaccurate. It's Crucible Steel, used for 1000 years before that time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulfberht
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucible_steel
 
That's a really good episode of NOVA (link). Unfortunately the article's author downplays its content in favor of promoting "mystery" under a silly headline. Even the clip they provide is more informative and less speculative.

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NARRATOR: The Vikings didn't invent crucible steel. In fact, there's no evidence that anyone in Europe knew how to make it until the industrial revolution in the 18th century. But for more than 500 years before the Ulfberht, warriors elsewhere had been fighting with crucible steel weapons.

Swordsmiths across Central Asia produced some of the greatest swords of all time, known as Damascus steel blades. Curiously, they were made from material similar to the Ulfberht.

ALAN WILLIAMS: Damascus steel is a separate class of crucible steel, which is similar in chemical composition, but the crucible steel was cooled very slowly, so the iron formed large crystals. And with careful forging these large crystals form a surface pattern on the blade.

NARRATOR: These unusual swords exhibited many of the same superior qualities as the Ulfberht, but if the Vikings didn't know how to make crucible steel, then where did they get it?

Clues can be found in artifacts excavated from Viking graves, in Scandinavia, as early as the eighth century.

GUNNAR ANDERSSON: The Buddha was found on an island west of modern-day Stockholm. It originates from India, northeast India. And it tells us, of course, that trades with the Far East existed. The ring is the same thing, there. It's this written inscription that says "Allah."

NARRATOR: Thousands of artifacts from the east have been uncovered from Viking graves. Islamic coins were even commonly traded in Scandinavia.

FREDRIK CHARPENTIER LJUNGQVIST: You could go, mostly by river and lakes, all the way from Lake Mälaren, here in Sweden, to northern Iran. The route was known as the Volga trade route.

The interesting thing is that the most Ulfbehrt swords are dated from exactly the same time when the Volga trade route was open, that is from the early 800s to the mid-1,000s.

I think it's very likely that the steel that you find in the Ulfberht swords originated from Iran. I would guess that you bought it from friendly trading connections in Iran, paid with furs and other Nordic commodities, and took it back on your small ships that you used on the rivers.

ALAN WILLIAMS: After the 11th century, the Volga trade route is closed, and the manufacture of these Ulfberht swords stops, which, to me, is strong evidence they were made out of an imported raw material.
This has nothing to do with obtaining "technology from the future", and I don't think academics are nearly as baffled as the article attempts to suggest.
 
Again and again these pseudo historians/archaeologists just make themselves look bad. Half the time they don't even do the minimal research to double check their hypotheses. They are the worst sort of intellectual, the type that has a conclusion and tries to find evidence to support it. Sorry but you need to simply FIND evidence. If it doesn't support your theory, maybe your theory is insupportable.
 
JeffreyNotGeoffrey said:
Again and again these pseudo historians/archaeologists just make themselves look bad. Half the time they don't even do the minimal research to double check their hypotheses. They are the worst sort of intellectual, the type that has a conclusion and tries to find evidence to support it. Sorry but you need to simply FIND evidence. If it doesn't support your theory, maybe your theory is insupportable.
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WOW! You sound like part of the academic conspiracy to hide the truth. :D
 
someGuy said:
Ancient alien, the TV show, doesn't need to be debunked
It's just total crap



That's it
False assumptions over biased facts, that's what this show is all about

Now it doesn't mean there was no intervention from extraterrestrial beings in human history, IMO
But this show is anything but serious about this possibility
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It's always nice to see how Giorgio has his hair styled this episode. At least they are allowing him to run around New Mexico in the current series.
 
We reside (now) on an insignificant little planet that orbits a very normal, hum-drum star, in a VERY large Galaxy.

We also have such limited lifespans. On THIS planet, about 65 million (or so) years ago, a catastrophic event happened. Changed evolution.
What if that asteroid impact had "NOT" happened?

There is a premise for this, in science fiction.

 
Cairenn said:
What about Stonehenge? Stones there were moved from over 140 miles away, without wheels, or irons tools.
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On my local news tonight... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-30082721
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Replicas of the tallest stones at Stonehenge have been discovered on an army base 16 years after being made for a television documentary about the monument.

They were created for the programme Secrets of Lost Empires but have languished in the car park at Larkhill Army Base on Salisbury Plain ever since.

The three huge blocks were cast in concrete and weigh more than 90 tonnes. They were recognised by an archaeologist who worked on the original BBC documentary.
but have languished in the car park at Larkhill Army Base on Salisbury Plain ever since.
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I am trying to find some clips of the original documentary, which showed a couple of methods as to how they could have been transported using stoneage technology.

A brief summery of the programme (from American network PBS who showed the series stateside) is here

Julian Richards seams he wants to repeat the experiment at some point soon,
 
I only looked at Part 1 and the beginning of part 2 but if this is all the evidence for ancient aliens, then well..............
 
Hi,

At the first time I did watch the ancient aliens tv-show, I thought it was a cool show. 95 % of those things are just a lot of BS. But I think some things by that show are the real thing, but not can prove those things. For example the Puma Punku. Interesting thing.

I've read a lot history, but many things by the ancient world are just a metaphors, terms, symbols etc of something else. Like the planets, sun, moon, stars (constellations) etc. The ancient people for example see the planets as the gods, because the planets were much closer to the earth in ancient time. Sometimes you see the planets venus and mars closer to the earth for example. Of course in time people as well call them as by the different names, and descriptions of planets etc were like the "giant humans". etc.

Here is a one good example for that -

BUT, I believe in aliens (and I believe they have visit on earth a long time, by many races), but I don't believe in that they are behind ALL the ancient monuments etc, maybe they have influenced some people in ancient time in some cases. But this are the things, which cannot prove.

Some examples:

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People has see the flying objects a long time and see today as well. In ancient and middle age, the people didn't know the terms of UFOs, aliens etc (terms which came after Roswell case), so of course they call those things as by the different names.

I living in the country, which has not a big military-system. So, I've see a two times cigar-shaped objects, which were so fast, and soundless, so no doubt they weren't by my country/military or other countries etc. Or by the nature. Logic alone will tell to people, if the governments/military will have those kind of technology (and are behind all UFO-stuff etc) in their aircrafts, then the different shaped objects has been official a long time as well.

If we send probes etc in the space, planets etc, so then aliens has done that as well. Because there is aliens, which are ahead us of thousands, millions and billions years, if we cannot do something, so it doesn't mean aliens cannot.
 
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