Debunked: Sandy Hook Hoax (OP includes quick links )

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Finding his body there isn't enough? I don't see 'evidence swept under the rug'.

I never saw a body. I heard 'official reports' of there being a body. The problem with cases like this is that everything is based off of the mainstream media's stories, eyewitness accounts, and the 'official story' released by state officials. There's been no photographic or video evidence of anything happening at the school that day besides a bunch of officers standing around, a SWAT team doing the same, officers going into the woods for whatever reason, people being interviewed, etc etc.

The problem is, because of this event, a whole new school is being built, which is coming straight out of taxpayers pockets. They should have a right to know exactly what happened, not just from some state trooper saying what happened. How about real evidence? Why should I trust his word?
 
You seem to have a fascination with wanting to see dead bodies. They are rarely shown. The news is not CSI with bodies and blood everywhere.

Stop and ask your self, what would be effect on a child of seeing the same poster that is in their school room, splattered with blood? or the body of a child?
 
I know I'm not entitled to this kind of evidence

If the current state of affairs is good enough for the relatives of the dead, why are you people still on this jag?

Don't you realize how odd this sort of behavior you are acting out actually is?

Maybe in some other universe this conspiracy theory makes sense, but not in this one.

Time to let it go, Josh. It happened, get over it.
 
You seem to have a fascination with wanting to see dead bodies. They are rarely shown. The news is not CSI with bodies and blood everywhere.

Stop and ask your self, what would be effect on a child of seeing the same poster that is in their school room, splattered with blood? or the body of a child?

You're flat out putting words in my mouth. I never once said I wanted to see a body. I claimed there's no evidence and YOU said something along the lines of 'how about Adam Lanza's body?' to which I pointed out that there's NO EVIDENCE of that. I didn't say I wanted to see it; I just said there's no evidence of it and you're ignoring that fact and saying I want to see a body.
Don't believe everything you see on TV or read on Wikipedia my friend. And please, don't put words in my mouth. I just would like to see legitimate evidence before I get off the fence. (Not necessarily a body; again, footage of Adam coming to the school that day should be incredibly easy to produce. The claim is that people will use this kind of thing negatively and 'more Adam Lanza's will be created, which is bull considering the NSA just released information on a bomb plot they supposedly stopped thanks to their spying efforts. How can they release information about a suspected terror event but showing a video of someone walking up to a school is harmful? Hmm?)
 
I just said there's no evidence of it and you're ignoring that fact and saying I want to see a body.
Don't believe everything you see on TV or read on Wikipedia my friend. I just would like to see legitimate evidence before I get off the fence. (Not necessarily a body; again, footage of Adam coming to the school that day should be incredibly easy to produce. The claim is that people will use this kind of thing negatively and 'more Adam Lanza's will be created, which is bull considering the NSA just released information on a bomb plot they supposedly stopped thanks to their spying efforts. How can they release information about a suspected terror event but showing a video of someone walking up to a school is harmful? Hmm?)

If we saw video evidence (that may or may not exist), how would we know it was Lanza? The truther response would be "That could be anyone, he/she is wearing a mask".

Such evidence would not satisfy any conspiracy theorist. The bottom line is that, there is none that would.
Even photos/film of a body would be dismissed as a look-alike or a an sfx dummy or, of course, an actor! (At last....a role even I could play!).

Most importantly, this is all (to use an unfortunate phrase) jumping the gun. The official report has not yet been released, so no one can yet say whether the information that they seek is, or is not available.
 
If we saw video evidence (that may or may not exist), how would we know it was Lanza? The truther response would be "That could be anyone, he/she is wearing a mask".

Such evidence would not satisfy any conspiracy theorist. The bottom line is that, there is none that would.
Even photos/film of a body would be dismissed as a look-alike or a an sfx dummy or, of course, an actor! (At last....a role even I could play!).

Most importantly, this is all (to use an unfortunate phrase) jumping the gun. The official report has not yet been released, so no one can yet say whether the information that they seek is, or is not available.

So not only has their been no convincing evidence of this event, now you say there's no official story yet? So how can YOU be so sure it happened? I'm not saying I can prove it happened; but if there's no credible evidence and no official story, how can you, who believes it happened, be any more right than some conspiracy nut? You're just jumping on a different bandwagon.
Saying it didn't happen sounds crazy, given the coverage of the event. But trying to stick with the claim that it did happen at this point is also just as crazy, given the incredible amount of mix ups and misinformation on this case.
If anything, Wikipedia basically has the 'official story'. I'd be willing to believe that, especially if that simple footage I mentioned of Adam approaching the school is released. Yes, I understand that most nut jobs would try to nitpick it and claim it's not him or whatever, but if it appears to actually be him and officials claim that it is indeed the footage from that school, on that day, and as long as their is not some convincing video on YouTube proving somehow it's not him, then I'll be happy to pick a side and say it went down as told by officials. Until then, this has been nothing but media misinformation and more story changes than a Choose your own adventure book.
 
So, you believe the Elvis is alive, JFK survived and such. Maybe I should see if my mom and dad are still alive, I didn't see them after they were dead.

There is PLENTY of creditable evidence---much of it posted here.
 
So, you believe the Elvis is alive, JFK survived and such. Maybe I should see if my mom and dad are still alive, I didn't see them after they were dead.

There is PLENTY of creditable evidence---much of it posted here.
 
... Until then, this has been nothing but media misinformation and more story changes than a Choose your own adventure book.

So what?
You expect every detail of a violent chaotic event to be 100% known step by step from the start? That would be suspicious.
Reality is messy and you cannot know anything totally.
How do you know the world doesn't just pop into existence just for your benefit when you can see and hear it and isn't doing something completely bizarre behind your back?
Why do you consider it reasonable to doubt the death of these people you don't know?
 
So what?
You expect every detail of a violent chaotic event to be 100% known step by step from the start? That would be suspicious.
Reality is messy and you cannot know anything totally.
How do you know the world doesn't just pop into existence just for your benefit when you can see and hear it and isn't doing something completely bizarre behind your back?
Why do you consider it reasonable to doubt the death of these people you don't know?

When did I say I expected 'every detail of a violent chaotic event to 100% known step by step from the start?'
another person putting words in my mouth. I'm seeing no legitimate arguments here in the last few posts, just people trying to make claims about what I believe.
Please, don't give me some philosophical lecture on how I can't 'know anything totally'. This goes for you too, bucko, and I believe you're the one claiming to know what happened at the scene. I'll be the first to admit I have no idea what really happened, hence the reason I'm asking questions. Seems like I'm asking the wrong people.
 
Yes, ask the people that had their children slaughtered or the people that picked up the bodies. They would be the right people to ask your questions of.

Have I claimed to know what happened at the scene? I wasn't there, am not on the investigation, so I wouldn't say such a thing. I've gathered some insight through the information made available through the internet, like most everyone else.
Bucko.

Why do you consider doubting that this even happened a reasonable response as opposed to taking it on trust that some violent event happened, people lost their children, and the perpetrator killed themselves - more or less how it has been reported, the exact timeline of events being at this point unresolved? You must have a reason.
 
So not only has their been no convincing evidence of this event, now you say there's no official story yet? So how can YOU be so sure it happened? I'm not saying I can prove it happened; but if there's no credible evidence and no official story, how can you, who believes it happened, be any more right than some conspiracy nut? You're just jumping on a different bandwagon.
Saying it didn't happen sounds crazy, given the coverage of the event. But trying to stick with the claim that it did happen at this point is also just as crazy, given the incredible amount of mix ups and misinformation on this case.
If anything, Wikipedia basically has the 'official story'. I'd be willing to believe that, especially if that simple footage I mentioned of Adam approaching the school is released. Yes, I understand that most nut jobs would try to nitpick it and claim it's not him or whatever, but if it appears to actually be him and officials claim that it is indeed the footage from that school, on that day, and as long as their is not some convincing video on YouTube proving somehow it's not him, then I'll be happy to pick a side and say it went down as told by officials. Until then, this has been nothing but media misinformation and more story changes than a Choose your own adventure book.

You are flat out putting words in my mouth. Official report. "Official story" is conspiracy theorist speak. That which constitutes "official story", is evidence that we have seen or read which may or may not be from an "official" source but that disagrees with th Ct line. There is a great deal of that, none of which has been disproven.

There is only ambiguity regarding Sandy Hook because truthers have chosen to introduce it. Other than being present at the incident, can you please cite one example of the type of evidence that would, in your opinion, be "credible" and could not have doubt thrown upon it by conspiracy theorists?
 
Saying it didn't happen sounds crazy, given the coverage of the event. But trying to stick with the claim that it did happen at this point is also just as crazy, given the incredible amount of mix ups and misinformation on this case.

That makes no sense at all. BUt since you're so concerned, maybe you could call the investigators and ask to be part of the investigative team since you are such a concerned citizen and well qualified to perform such a task. Or you can explain to me how people who are not remotely involved with this incident feel as entitled as you do.
 
You are flat out putting words in my mouth. Official report. "Official story" is conspiracy theorist speak. That which constitutes "official story", is evidence that we have seen or read which may or may not be from an "official" source but that disagrees with th Ct line. There is a great deal of that, none of which has been disproven.

There is only ambiguity regarding Sandy Hook because truthers have chosen to introduce it. Other than being present at the incident, can you please cite one example of the type of evidence that would, in your opinion, be "credible" and could not have doubt thrown upon it by conspiracy theorists?

Fine, play semantics, we'll use your word 'report' instead of 'story'. Make it sound more official. If it's not official yet, then it's just a story anyway. But I guess report fits your likings better, so if I say 'official story,' ignore that and replace it with 'official report' to please yourself.
By the way, why do I have to site the type of evidence that would please conspiracy theoriststs? First off, that statement is implying I'm in that category. You're lumping me in that category. Why should I have to answer for conspiracy theorists? As I said before, I have no clue what happened, other than stories...sorry, REPORTS of what happened. The only evidence that I've seen would be the Lanza's car at the scene, which also proves nothing. If you see a car somewhere, it doesn't prove someone is at that location.
In an age where we have so much technology and cameras we cannot produce this simple video of him walking to the front of the school? I know this wouldn't satisfy most conspiracy theorists, they would find some reason why it's not really him or it was taken on another day or whatever but it would begin to satisfy more people. We live in a country where it's easy to see that people distrust their government, and by taking the time and taxpayers dollars to suppress all of this information (like in this case) it doesn't help the government, it only furthers the people's distrust.
 
Sorry, I cannot edit that lost post again...but I meant to say the only evidence I've seen ​that would link Lanza to the crime scene[FONT=.HelveticaNeueUI]. [/FONT]
 
Once you hear it you can't unhear it. It is like listening to Jimi Hendrix Purple Haze and hearing "excuse me while I kiss this guy" it just ruins it every time after that.

What's neat about that guy, is him listening to it for six hours. Once he heard 'take', he could NOT hear anything else. That registered just fine for honest folks like myself. It is far worse than I imagined. The sacrifice of children (possibly) to expedite the NWO is beyond evil and BOLD.
 
You don't consider the testimony of the police to be evidence?

What sort of testimony are you referring to? As in, they testified in court to Adam Lanza being the sole shooter in this massacre? Or just their statements to press or however else?
Whichever way they gave testimony, I would have to say their testimony is about as credible as the children who were there on the news that day. It's hard to take any sort of testimony seriously in my eyes. Using the fact that it was officers makes no difference to me either; they're just as capable of mistakes or lies as any human being, just because they're officers doesn't mean we should glorify their testimony (although that's their purpose, to be justice...they're just people though). Again, simple footage of Adam walking up to the school that day would be plenty simple to produce and despite what has been said, would cause no harm to anyone. In this particular case, I believe that simple piece of evidence, when provided, should be sufficient to end this 'mystery', and if people are still crying 'false flag' then you'll begin to see the real nuts come out of the woodwork.
This event just doesn't sit with me well, any way; either our government was in on it in some way (whether children actually died or not), or they were not and over 20 people died that day. It's terrible either way.
 
Children DIED and were buried. Is there anything that says that the school had a security camera? This was an elementary school in a upper middle class rural area. That is not a place where security cameras are common in the US. Businesses will have them, for shoplifting and robbery. I doubt there are many grade schools in the US with security cameras.

You spend the money on them to discourage thieves, mostly. Not a lot to steal in a grade school, maybe a teacher's purse, no large sums of money. There are a lot of businesses that are rarely robbed, beauty shops, florists are a couple that come to mind.
 
Disarming Americans and successfully getting by with yet another media hoax. All, are impossible without the involvement of the mass media.

If you're going to imagine a hypothesis then it would be more likely that a terrorist death squad was able to operate in America and then everyone covered it up at the imaginary behest of the intelligence services... or in the name of national security due to the geopolitical ramifications when the imaginary terrorists involved turned out to be our "allies." There's actually at least a little precedent for that type of thing, as far as conspiracies go.

And that's still pretty unlikely.

Also, if the goal was disarming Americans and the conspirators are powerful and psychotic enough to try to pull off conspiracies like this... wouldn't it be simpler and cheaper to hit up the NSA and just try to blackmail enough people in Congress to actually get more laws passed? Given that most people still abide by the law, that would be more likely to be effective... etc. (Personally, I'd say that aliens one layer above in a multiverse demanding or causing sacrifices among "the base" based on "astro logic"/astrology and so forth might be a better hypothesis. At least it would explain the case in China. Imagine that. But then you wouldn't be able to stop the imaginary forces of a NWO if that were the case. Bummer.)

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Disarming Americans and successfully getting by with yet another media hoax. All, are impossible without the involvement of the mass media.
Americans are now disarmed?
Quite clearly they are not.
But do you really think the only thing stopping whatever you imagine the NWO to be, is armed Americans?
Are all Americans highly trained insurgent commandos or something?
That fantasy is just plain silly.
 
No one even TRIED to disarm Americans. There were bills proposed to limit the type of weapons that can legally be bought and to require background checks.

There are millions of both legal and illegal guns in the US. If the purchase of guns was made illegal, tomorrow, and the manufacturing or import of guns stopped, it would be years before 'folks were disarmed'. Maybe a hundred years. That statement is just nonsense and I think that the NRA knows it is. But it gets them more members=more money. Just like the WWF implying that the turtle deaths during the BP oil spill were because of the spill, instead of the real reason, cheating shrimpers and fishers. Fighting BP will get them more donations, than attacking small folks.
 
Fine, play semantics, we'll use your word 'report' instead of 'story'. Make it sound more official. If it's not official yet, then it's just a story anyway. But I guess report fits your likings better, so if I say 'official story,' ignore that and replace it with 'official report' to please yourself.
By the way, why do I have to site the type of evidence that would please conspiracy theoriststs? First off, that statement is implying I'm in that category. You're lumping me in that category. Why should I have to answer for conspiracy theorists? As I said before, I have no clue what happened, other than stories...sorry, REPORTS of what happened. The only evidence that I've seen would be the Lanza's car at the scene, which also proves nothing. If you see a car somewhere, it doesn't prove someone is at that location

Not semantics. Conspiracy theorists construe any information that does not comply with their view as the "official story". It's up there with "sheeple" and "do the research" as a truther buzzword. The "official story" comes into existence the moment the event takes place and may be from an official source or not. The official report is quite different and, I reiterate, has not yet been made public.

I did not imply that you were a conspiracy theorist, I merely asked the question about what would constitute the type of information that would be, in your opinion, "credible", and therefore satisfactory to such an individual.

In an age where we have so much technology and cameras we cannot produce this simple video of him walking to the front of the school?
How do we know such footage exists?
 
...you have to accept that it could be given any number of vague interpretations.

Funny, I heard: "End the life of Adam." and not "Take the life of Adam." And then I heard: "And bring me the donuts from the truck while you're at it. Tango. Delta coordinates." Just kidding.

I'm almost glad that there are people out there investigating that care enough to listen to three hours of scanners or whatever. It doesn't hurt for citizens to try to keep their own all seeing eye on other people. But there's almost nothing* to this evidence, I'd imagine. All you need is another conspiracy theorist to listen to all the scanners or analyze that one and imagine that they've found evidence that a teenage boy doctored it by inserting "End the life of Adam." in it. (Wouldn't a death squad of highly trained assassins use coded language instead of just saying "Uh, end the life of Adam and make sure you enter his death in the computer on the right day too.. or somethin'." also?)

*After all, given my worldview SWAT Teams and even death squads like to eat donuts but there's nothing on the tape that I can imagine as evidence of: "Hey guys, we really need some donuts here!" So therefore the tapes are all fake. QED. Just kidding... because that would be like bunk being produced by my worldview and not the evidence, see?
 
Is there anything that says that the school had a security camera? This was an elementary school in a upper middle class rural area. That is not a place where security cameras are common in the US. Businesses will have them, for shoplifting and robbery. I doubt there are many grade schools in the US with security cameras.

There was a security camera.


From the principal's letter to parents at the start of the school year:

Our district will be implementing a security system in all elementary schools as part of our ongoing efforts to ensure student safety. As usual, exterior doors will be locked during the day. Every visitor will be required to ring the doorbell at the front entrance and the office staff will use a visual monitoring system to allow entry.

http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/fairfield_cty/sandyhook-security-policy#.Uc3ln9j7LMw
 
'End the life of Adam' is also ridiculously formal language.
It's like a phrase one would hear during a Shakespearean play, or listening to back-masked messages from Satan.
It's funny how aural paridolia tends to result in more uncommon formal phrasing.
 
'End the life of Adam' is also ridiculously formal language.
It's like a phrase one would hear during a Shakespearean play, or listening to back-masked messages from Satan.
It's funny how aural paridolia tends to result in more uncommon formal phrasing.

"Adam the life of end"..........Look out for a short large eared Jedi master.
 
Not semantics. Conspiracy theorists construe any information that does not comply with their view as the "official story". It's up there with "sheeple" and "do the research" as a truther buzzword. The "official story" comes into existence the moment the event takes place and may be from an official source or not. The official report is quite different and, I reiterate, has not yet been made public.

I did not imply that you were a conspiracy theorist, I merely asked the question about what would constitute the type of information that would be, in your opinion, "credible", and therefore satisfactory to such an individual.


How do we know such footage exists?


A couple things...
First off, yes, semantics. You're making a deal about the use of the phrase 'official report' and 'official story'. Not to advance any arguments, but to derail the matter at hand (the footage that won't be released. I guess they don't have it. Hmph. Defeats the purpose of having a security camera huh?).
Second of all, you're also calling me a conspiracy theorist. Derailing again. How about you stop attacking me and judging me personally (I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I do have a right to ask questions.). Yes, I understand there are a lot of conspiracies out there and people who find things they believe are discrepancies and claim it's some sort of proof of whatever they decide. But I assure you I'm just as level headed as any 'debunker'; you see, 'truthers' have some preconceived notion in their head that things didn't play out as they are being, whereas 'debunkers' simply have the contrasting view, a preconceived notion that it DID happen the way they are told. They're almost no different.

Third of all...you said 'I did not imply that you were a conspiracy theorist, I merely asked the question about what would constitute the type of information that would be, in your opinion, "credible", and therefore satisfactory to such an individual. '
Ok, once again, why should I have to answer to you what a conspiracy theorist would find satisfying? You're either labeling me a conspiracy theorist or asking a totally inappropriate question. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. So can I reverse that and ask YOU, what type of information would satisfy a conspiracy theorist? I bet your answer is 'nothing' because you and I both know what conspiracy theorists are like. Either way, I don't have to answer that question, it has nothing to do with anything we're talking about.

About the footage...why would they have top notch security in the school and have cameras that don't even record? That seems kind of 1970's to me. If this really is an upper/middle class area, why would they have cameras that don't record? So much for state of the art security, huh?
 
You absolutely are a conspiracy theorist, because when you think it didn't happen the way it's been presented it implies a massive conspiracy of fake parents, fake deaths, fake reports from responders, fake autopsy reports, etc. That is a theory about a conspiracy to deceive, therefore you're a conspiracy theorist. It's not an attack, it's a simple statement of fact. Why the denial?
 
I'm not a conspiracy theorist. So can I reverse that and ask YOU, what type of information would satisfy a conspiracy theorist? I bet your answer is 'nothing' because you and I both know what conspiracy theorists are like. Either way, I don't have to answer that question, it has nothing to do with anything we're talking about.

About the footage...why would they have top notch security in the school and have cameras that don't even record? That seems kind of 1970's to me. If this really is an upper/middle class area, why would they have cameras that don't record? So much for state of the art security, huh?

I have no insight as to the quality or functionality of the cctv at Sandy Hook elementary on the day of Lanza's attack. Do you? There were reports that a new system had been installed sometime prior to the event. That would seem to be an odd thing to do if you were about to pull off some sort of "false flag" event.

You are absolutely right. A conspiracy theorist will accept no evidence that contradicts his or her preconceived version of events. For instance, they would refuse to accept the possibility that video footage of an incident may not exist, even though their only evidence to the contrary is that they believe it should.
 
So I'm a conspiracy theorist for asking questions about the 'official report'?
But I never stated the event didn't happen. I'm wondering if there are smudged facts.
Point out where I said it didn't happen and that there must have been, again in your words that are supposedly coming from me, 'fake parents, fake deaths fake reports, fake reports from responders, fake autopsy reports, etc.'
None of that which I have said. You seem to be the conspiracy theorist; making claims about me you cannot back up.
Also, not to sound like a conspiracy theorist (which you will undoubtedly use against, but here goes anyway) but there doesn't HAVE to be everything faked if this was a false flag attack. This could have went down as said but maybe the shooter had alterior motives, such as being payed by someone else to do this or for whatever reason. I'm not saying that's what happened, I'm just saying you're calling me a conspiracy theorist and saying that automatically implies all of this was fake. I keep seeing people here (such as the last post by Melbury's Brick) saying things along the line of 'A conspiracy theorist will accept no evidence that contradicts his or her preconceived version of events.' The irony is that's all that's been happening, calling anyone who question's the official report as a 'conspiracy theorist' and making claims that they think all of this was faked (which I'm sure a lot of actual conspiracy theorists truly believe). Again, that's not me. I would recommend to the moderator(s) here to give a temporary ban to whoever continues calling me a conspiracy theorist for no good reason. I might as well be sitting here arguing back with 'yeah well you're stupid' or something else inappropriate.

As for the cameras...you're right. There's no evidence about the cameras; other than the note from the principal that states simply that there will be cameras in place for monitoring people at the door. Nowhere does it say that these cameras record; I was just hoping for some clarity on this situation. It seems I have my answer though; the cameras did not record, and I'm a conspiracy theorist. Heh. Looks like I got more than I bargained for.
 
Well, your position is hard to understand, as you previously stated that it was logical to doubt the whole event happened at all because the media misreported certain facts.
Saying it didn't happen sounds crazy, given the coverage of the event. But trying to stick with the claim that it did happen at this point is also just as crazy, given the incredible amount of mix ups and misinformation on this case.
So any event that has misreporting in, you consider it wise to immediately doubt whether it happened at all, rather than the more obvious 'they misreported something'.
Again, if you think the event hasn't happened, or even just the details aren't as presented, then there is a conspiracy to present it as if it has - you have a theory about a conspiracy, you are a conspiracy theorist by that action. Why is this an insult?
 
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