Debunked: Sandy Hook Hoax (OP includes quick links )

[deirdre]

"How I spent my Good Friday," by Kerensa, lol.

; ) I get to spend my time cutting and pasting quotes from a long tedious thread! well...., if I actually bother.

 

[Kerensa]

Parent Alissa Parker's personal experience that day is worth noting:

Included in the report are pleas for heightened school safety and better disaster preparation by a former Ogden couple, Robbie and Alissa Parker, whose 6-year-old daughter, Emilie, was killed at Sandy Hook Elementary in Connecticut last December. Alissa Parker said in the report that the confusion at Sandy Hook after the shooting intensified the stress.

"We were told by three different people to look for our daughter at three different places. The chaos made it so much worse for all of us," she told Save the Children.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/56824618-78/report-states-save-disaster.html.csp

 

[deirdre]

We were told by three different people to look for our daughter at three different places. The chaos made it so much worse for all of us," she told Save the Children.

yes those parents had an incredibly painful wait. Book5 #256315 page 3 It sounds like parents weren't told kids brought to the hospital were DOA. ; (
I don't know what the protocol for announcing deaths is.

I don't know why the Danbury doctor directed them to the Town Hall.



also:
while I was scanning for this file, I happened upon this teacher interview 2:00, ending at 2:45. book 5 #256630 all teachers interviews are in book5. just in reference to you implying some teachers didn't leave until 3:30 because kids were missing Book2 #6246 page 5
note: *Malloy made the announcement to parents at 3:00 (just to give you some context of why those 3 teachers may not have left till 3:30

of 38 teachers there were 4 who left after 2:05 (one at 2:42)

 

[Kerensa]

One family called a meeting with police this past August; one of the questions they asked was whether their child was one of those transported from the scene that day by ambulance. I find it incredible that eight months post-event, at least one family still did not know what had happened to their child. Best I can tell, this can only be the Engel family, unless there are in fact families whose child remained at the scene yet they thought their child was transported. Ostensibly only Engel and Wheeler were transported, and Wheeler is too long a name to match. However, CSP Sgt. Cario and Trooper Dragon were said to have removed multiple children from Room 8 and placed them in a police SUV which took them to Danbury. That would mean at least a third child transported; without knowing for sure, we can't be certain it was the Engel family calling the August meeting. However, the Engel family is the only possibility if in fact the official story (that only Engel and Wheeler were transported) is true.

Also, I suppose it really depends on what counts as the official story. Stephen Sedensky had the last word; however, he was not at the scene in the first hour. Cario didn't have an official venue for his statements that multiple children were transported from Room 8; however, he was at the scene in the first hour.

 

[deirdre]

One family called a meeting with police this past August; one of the questions they asked was whether their child was one of those transported from the scene that day by ambulance. I find it incredible that eight months post-event, at least one family still did not know what had happened to their child. Best I can tell, this can only be the Engel family, unless there are in fact families whose child remained at the scene yet they thought their child was transported. Ostensibly only Engel and Wheeler were transported, and Wheeler is too long a name to match. However, CSP Sgt. Cario and Trooper Dragon were said to have removed multiple children from Room 8 and placed them in a police SUV which took them to Danbury. That would mean at least a third child transported; without knowing for sure, we can't be certain it was the Engel family calling the August meeting. However, the Engel family is the only possibility if in fact the official story (that only Engel and Wheeler were transported) is true.

Also, I suppose it really depends on what counts as the official story. Stephen Sedensky had the last word; however, he was not at the scene in the first hour. Cario didn't have an official venue for his statements that multiple children were transported from Room 8; however, he was at the scene in the first hour.

yea you're definitely going to need to show sources for where you allegedly got THAT info. (ALL of it) Be careful of harassment law regarding mistruths.

 

[Kerensa]

yea you're definitely going to need to show sources for where you allegedly got THAT info. (ALL of it) Be careful of harassment law regarding mistruths.

Book 1, 00182675

http://oi39.tinypic.com/t4u0ls.jpg

"The family was provided with clarification as to whether or not xxxxxxxx was one of the children transported by ambulance."

Note: I think this could also be the Greene family.

 

[deirdre]

Book 1, 00182675

http://oi39.tinypic.com/t4u0ls.jpg

"The family was provided with clarification as to whether or not xxxxxxxx was one of the children transported by ambulance."

Note: I think this could also be the Greene family.

did you read the first paragraph? I don't see how this in anyway supports your post #284 claims.
you didn't think it suspicious a family would wait till August to ask such a thing, when each family a liason trooper team at their disposal? (those troopers are in book 6) can you please quote the file numbers too, so we can see the full files you are referencing. thanks.

edit: sorry liasons and family meetings/visit reports are Book 1.

 

[deirdre]

did you read the first paragraph? I don't see how this in anyway supports your post #284 claims.
you didn't think it suspicious a family would wait till August to ask such a thing, when each family a liason trooper team at their disposal? (those troopers are in book 6) can you please quote the file numbers too, so we can see the full files you are referencing. thanks.

edit: sorry liasons and family meetings/visit reports are Book 1.

I looked at every file in Book 1, 2, 7, 8, 9 but oddly I don't see your link. it does look legit...the typing etc. can you look for it and provide file number (I only downloaded the first bunch of 9 books). the files are here http://cspsandyhookreport.ct.gov/
if you put the files in a folder you can use the preview screen to quickly scan them...ie you don't have to actually open each one.
Thanks.

 

[Kerensa]

I looked at every file in Book 1, 2, 7, 8, 9 but oddly I don't see your link. it does look legit...the typing etc. can you look for it and provide file number (I only downloaded the first bunch of 9 books). the files are here http://cspsandyhookreport.ct.gov/
if you put the files in a folder you can use the preview screen to quickly scan them...ie you don't have to actually open each one.
Thanks.

CSF 1200704559, Book 1, 00182675

 

[deirdre]

CSF 1200704559, Book 1, 00182675

got it thanks. was thrown because it was cut off in your pic link.

 

[Kerensa]

Unfortunately, some children were sent home with the wrong families that day, adding to the confusion and making it practically impossible for emergency officials to know whether all students had been accounted for. It really calls into question how or if each child was signed out before leaving. Certainly it's understandable that fire house organizers wanted to get children out of there quickly, and perhaps in a small town it was considered okay to release children to other families; however this made reunification chaotic, and made it incredibly hard for police to be absolutely certain no one remained inside the school.

 

[deirdre]

Unfortunately, some children were sent home with the wrong families that day, adding to the confusion and making it practically impossible for emergency officials to know whether all students had been accounted for. It really calls into question how or if each child was signed out before leaving.

how about you start including some links/sources for what you're saying. that's how Metabunk works. its not a speculation/ tall tales site.

 

[Kerensa]

From the Littleton Independent, 3-17-2-14:

After watching his teacher and a classmate die, the Posey's son Reichen fled to safety from a Sandy Hook classroom while the gunman reloaded. He and his siblings now are Douglas County students.

"The Douglas County School District has made our children's safety a top priority, and they haven't stopped working on this issue," said Carly Posey, adding that during her years as an involved parent at Sandy Hook, "Never was school security talked about."

When frantic parents gathered at a Newtown, Conn. firehouse after the shooting, Posey said some children mistakenly were sent home with their classmates' parents, adding to the panic and chaos for parents who later couldn't find their children.

http://littletonindependent.net/stories/Family-shares-tales-of-Sandy-Hook,148718

 

[deirdre]

From the Littleton Independent, 3-17-2-14:

After watching his teacher and a classmate die, the Posey's son Reichen fled to safety from a Sandy Hook classroom while the gunman reloaded. He and his siblings now are Douglas County students.

"The Douglas County School District has made our children's safety a top priority, and they haven't stopped working on this issue," said Carly Posey, adding that during her years as an involved parent at Sandy Hook, "Never was school security talked about."

When frantic parents gathered at a Newtown, Conn. firehouse after the shooting, Posey said some children mistakenly were sent home with their classmates' parents, adding to the panic and chaos for parents who later couldn't find their children.

http://littletonindependent.net/stories/Family-shares-tales-of-Sandy-Hook,148718

Thanks. Teachers are, and always will be (at least in CT) responsible for all their students until they are handed off to an authorized person. the children all evacuated with their classes escorted by police to the firehouse. Book 5 #34897 (I'm not going to included every teacher link that verifies this.

The children from Room10 were all accounted for by 10:00 Book 5 #3250 Book5 #91354 Book 5 101180

Not sure what's so confusing or "chaotic"about this.
Obviously Ct (as all states do after any shooting incident) is thoroughly going over everything to see where areas can be improved upon. But none of this Gish Gallop is evidence of wrong doing or children/ adults being put in jeopardy. http://www.governor.ct.gov/malloy/cwp/view.asp?a=3997&q=516496

 

[Kerensa]

The children from Room 10 did not all evacuate with their classes. 9-11 scattered and divided; two remained in the classroom, discovered later.

They were not accounted for by 10 a.m. At 10:30 a.m., four were being sent from the PD to the FD; their names were not yet known.

10:30:21 Newtown Fire & Police - 201212140913-607467-7623
Dispatcher (Nute): "401, at this time I have four students who had left the school previously being transported back to the meeting room at the firehouse. Who is in charge at the firehouse at this time?"

Gogliettino states she picked up five children; this 10:30 a.m. group of four may be Rosen's (ostensibly only four; while reports said he had six students, in fact it's likely only four were students from the school, and two were the bus driver's own children).

However, other public statements call into question whether two were actually the bus driver's children; a figure of 15 total surviving children has been given for Rooms 8 and 10 (already cited in this thread). If in fact it was 15 (14 from Soto's) then we're looking at 12 escaping from Room 10, two remaining in the closet, and the lone survivor of Room 8, Hatcher, remaining in Room 8 until Penna extracted her just after shooter down.

Also, logic dictates that if children were handed off to the wrong parents--handoffs which wouldn't even have begun until 11 a.m., minimum and likely much later--there is no way police found the errors, contacted the non-parents, re-acquired the missing children, and had them back at the FD (through gridlock) in any small amount of time.

I don't think the Poseys would have referred to reunification being anxiety-ridden if errors had been corrected within short order.

When the Red Cross worker (cited in this thread) stated that reunification took "hours and hours," it seems to me she was being accurate.

 

[Landru]

The children from Room 10 did not all evacuate with their classes. 9-11 scattered and divided; two remained in the classroom, discovered later.

They were not accounted for by 10 a.m. At 10:30 a.m., four were being sent from the PD to the FD; their names were not yet known.

10:30:21 Newtown Fire & Police - 201212140913-607467-7623
Dispatcher (Nute): "401, at this time I have four students who had left the school previously being transported back to the meeting room at the firehouse. Who is in charge at the firehouse at this time?"

Gogliettino states she picked up five children; this 10:30 a.m. group of four may be Rosen's (ostensibly only four; while reports said he had six students, in fact it's likely only four were students from the school, and two were the bus driver's own children).

However, other public statements call into question whether two were actually the bus driver's children; a figure of 15 total surviving children has been given for Rooms 8 and 10 (already cited in this thread). If in fact it was 15 (14 from Soto's) then we're looking at 12 escaping from Room 10, two remaining in the closet, and the lone survivor of Room 8, Hatcher, remaining in Room 8 until Penna extracted her just after shooter down.

So what? Your point please.

 

[Kerensa]

Here are some references.

1. Sandy Hook: What We Can Learn From Them (SW Washington Risk Management Insurance Cooperative)

"At Sandy Hook, the school's reunification area was two blocks from the school, which caused incredible vehicle congestion."

http://web3.esd112.org/docs/default-source/risk-management-matters/spring-2013.pdf?sfvrsn=0

2. Notes From Newtown and Sandy Hook -- Community Impacts

"One important item on the school reunification site. It was only two blocks away from the school which made it too close."

3. Looking Back at Sandy Hook (ePACT Network)

"Reunification is an incredibly important aspect of emergency procedures that often goes overlooked. In the case of Sandy Hook, the point of reunification was just two blocks from the school, unfortunately leading to severe congestion for people and vehicles. And sadly, the person in charge of reunification was the school's Principal, Dawn Hochsprung, who was one of the victims in the tragedy. With this, reunification was delayed as parents were desperate to reach their children, but couldn't do so because of blocked access, confusion and a lack of awareness of processes to follow."

https://media.epactnetwork.com/looking-back-sandy-hook/

4. UNACCOUNTED FOR: A National Report Card on Protecting Children in Disasters (Save the Children, 2013; Alissa Parker, p.6)

"We were told by three different people to look for our daughter at three different places. The chaos made it so much worse for all of us," she told Save the Children."

5. Lessons of Columbine and other school shootings helped in Arapahoe (CNN; Kenneth Trump)

"Additionally, schools now have predesignated parent-student "reunification centers" to prevent parents from showing up at the scene and interfering with law enforcement, as was the case in Sandy Hook, Trump said."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/14/us/colorado-school-shooting-response/

6. Family Shares tales of Sandy Hook

"When frantic parents gathered at a Newtown, Conn. firehouse after the shooting, Posey said some children mistakenly were sent home with their classmates' parents, adding to the panic and chaos for parents who later couldn't find their children. She compared that to the orderly reunification of parents and students that occurred at Cimarron March 7 after a low-credibility bomb threat at nearby Legend High School forced the cancellation of classes.

"I'm sure Newtown had some sort of plan on paper, but they never thought they would need it," she said."

http://castlerocknewspress.net/stories/Family-shares-tales-of-Sandy-Hook,148718

 

[deirdre]

The children from Room 10 did not all evacuate with their classes. 9-11 scattered and divided; two remained in the classroom, discovered later.

They were not accounted for by 10 a.m. At 10:30 a.m., four were being sent from the PD to the FD; their names were not yet known.

10:30:21 Newtown Fire & Police - 201212140913-607467-7623
Dispatcher (Nute): "401, at this time I have four students who had left the school previously being transported back to the meeting room at the firehouse. Who is in charge at the firehouse at this time?"

Gogliettino states she picked up five children; this 10:30 a.m. group of four may be Rosen's (ostensibly only four; while reports said he had six students, in fact it's likely only four were students from the school, and two were the bus driver's own children).

However, other public statements call into question whether two were actually the bus driver's children; a figure of 15 total surviving children has been given for Rooms 8 and 10 (already cited in this thread). If in fact it was 15 (14 from Soto's) then we're looking at 12 escaping from Room 10, two remaining in the closet, and the lone survivor of Room 8, Hatcher, remaining in Room 8 until Penna extracted her just after shooter down.

Also, logic dictates that if children were handed off to the wrong parents--handoffs which wouldn't even have begun until 11 a.m., minimum and likely much later--there is no way police found the errors, contacted the non-parents, re-acquired the missing children, and had them back at the FD (through gridlock) in any small amount of time.

I don't think the Poseys would have referred to reunification being anxiety-ridden if errors had been corrected within short order.

When the Red Cross worker (cited in this thread) stated that reunification took "hours and hours," it seems to me she was being accurate.

that 201212140913 link. doesnt work. can you link to a real link please? My nephew actually read book 6 thoroughly for me today so we have answers to all your misconceptions but its a lot to quote and link tonight. ill organize it all for you tomorrow.
yes the 10:30 call was Rosens kids (ALL from Sotos room) ill give you references/docs tomorrow. and docs showing who didn't scatter and exactly where every child was at all times.

I don't know what "9-11 scattered" means. you mean the World trade center? because at sandy hook room 9 is the conference room.

PS I listened finally to your Red Cross worker, I shouldn't have trusted you ; ). i'll provide the debunk for that tomorrow too.
and I've got documentation of Riverside clear through out etc.

There were no errors (re wrong parents) . Just anxious parents. It's all in the State Report if you want to look tonight.

 

[deirdre]

The children from Room 10 did not all evacuate with their classes. 9-11 scattered and divided; two remained in the classroom, discovered later.

They were not accounted for by 10 a.m. At 10:30 a.m., four were being sent from the PD to the FD; their names were not yet known.

10:30:21 Newtown Fire & Police - 201212140913-607467-7623
Dispatcher (Nute): "401, at this time I have four students who had left the school previously being transported back to the meeting room at the firehouse. Who is in charge at the firehouse at this time?"

Gogliettino states she picked up five children; this 10:30 a.m. group of four may be Rosen's (ostensibly only four; while reports said he had six students, in fact it's likely only four were students from the school, and two were the bus driver's own children).

However, other public statements call into question whether two were actually the bus driver's children; a figure of 15 total surviving children has been given for Rooms 8 and 10 (already cited in this thread). If in fact it was 15 (14 from Soto's) then we're looking at 12 escaping from Room 10, two remaining in the closet, and the lone survivor of Room 8, Hatcher, remaining in Room 8 until Penna extracted her just after shooter down.

Also, logic dictates that if children were handed off to the wrong parents--handoffs which wouldn't even have begun until 11 a.m., minimum and likely much later--there is no way police found the errors, contacted the non-parents, re-acquired the missing children, and had them back at the FD (through gridlock) in any small amount of time.

I don't think the Poseys would have referred to reunification being anxiety-ridden if errors had been corrected within short order.

When the Red Cross worker (cited in this thread) stated that reunification took "hours and hours," it seems to me she was being accurate.

Children: The only references i can find to missing children are in reference to the parents of children who passed away. ex: Book6 #95772.

Parents agitated Book 6 #40403

Rumors of children at neighbors home (most likely Rosens) and daycare* and subsequent searches (police would have done anyway) Book6 #18286

I can find no complaints from specific parents complaining their child was sent home with another parent without their permission.
Some of the statements documenting accounting for all children:

Book 6 #12879, #19903, #40403, #95772, #251430, #1113, #19275,
Book 5 ##34897
Book 4 #156887 page 6 at 10:05 am
Book 2 #6246, #6263
--------------------------------
Children from Soto's room who left the school (together) then split into 2 groups:
Group that went with bus driver: Book5 #3250 (parents and police called immediately)

Group that went with classmate mom to police station:

Book 5 #91345, #101180, #256448 ( the man who also stopped as reported has a statement too which i now cant find. after children left for police sation he proceeded to firehouse, i think he is how the 'daycare/neighbors house' rumor of children got started)
Book6 #177428 children arrived at station 9:52- 12:10 at least. parents picked up all children at police station.


Now, is it theoretically possible in a shooting situation children will run and scatter from a school in the future, absolutely yes.
is it theoretically possible police can keep parents away from such a situation and ask them to wait patiently while police organize kids before letting parents into the vicinity? I highly doubt it.
Should schools have reunification plans (like they already do?). yes. Should these plans be constantly tweaked based on other schools experiences? of course.


Re: Your assertions of Road Blockages:
Transmission logs:
Book2 #3263
Book4 #184096
Book4 #156887
Sandy Hook Radio Transmissions 12/14/12



Other than the temporary road block TFC Keane called for (Book 4 # 184096 at 10:08:37) at the mouth of the school parking lot, i can find no evidence of blocked roads. There are too many documents showing police vehicles and ambulances coming and going all day to indicate any blocked roads.

The fire department does mention having to move cars to get vehicle out (of the firehouse lot) but i cant find that statement now.
i find no indication that "271-utz" had anything to do with the temporary road block or the quad getting out of the firehouse. although it is possible. I find no indication the road block was not capable of being dismantled immediately as needed.

 

[Kerensa]

9-11 scattered means 9 to 11 children scattered.

It was a parent of a survivor who said children were given to the wrong parents. Perhaps Mr. Posey is mistaken; however, he was there that day, and I don't see any reason for him to be lying.

201212140913-607467-7623 is the file name of Newtown Police, Fire & EMS audio from 12/14; audio is archived by the half hour. 201212140913 references the year 2012, 12/14, 0913 a.m. (files are archived in central time, so 0913 refers to 1013 Newtown time).

The audio files are in the Sandy Hook Dropbox folder - here's a link to just the audio folder: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zovlvr71dd7up01/ETCu9KuN7h

Hope it's of use.

 

[deirdre]

9-11 scattered means 9 to 11 children scattered.

It was a parent of a survivor who said children were given to the wrong parents. Perhaps Mr. Posey is mistaken; however, he was there that day, and I don't see any reason for him to be lying.

201212140913-607467-7623 is the file name of Newtown Police, Fire & EMS audio from 12/14; audio is archived by the half hour. 201212140913 references the year 2012, 12/14, 0913 a.m. (files are archived in central time, so 0913 refers to 1013 Newtown time).

The audio files are in the Sandy Hook Dropbox folder - here's a link to just the audio folder: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zovlvr71dd7up01/ETCu9KuN7h

Hope it's of use.

yea I figured the 9-11 thing out later. ; )
I don't think people are lying. I think all sorts of gossip, confusion, anxiety etc would be happening in that situation.

I don't want to access a dropbox account. can you link the original link the drop box file came from. for instance the times are weird..i cant find the later cars asked to be moved. your 'time stamp' says 12:26 but that confuses me because by that time the situation at the school was pretty much controlled, no more injuries etc. so I don't understand what needing to move cars (for the ME to set up etc) relates to anything youre concerned about.

 

[Mick West]

Perhaps someone could re-iterate what the actual point being discussed here is? Is there any bunk? Because the discussion seems to be getting increasingly specialized. The degree to which the roads were congested?

 

[deirdre]

Perhaps someone could re-iterate what the actual point being discussed here is? Is there any bunk? Because the discussion seems to be getting increasingly specialized. The degree to which the roads were congested?

yes, the bunk of roads being blocked and children unaccounted for for hours as Kerensa is asserting.
But I'm done. ive presented all the evidence.

 

[Kerensa]

The roads were significantly blocked and for significant spans of time. It took hours to account for all children. The information has been cited and linked, and Newtown's issues that day continue to be a focus of discussion at emergency services conferences and workshops. We have learned important things from Newtown's problems, just as Newtown emergency services planners learned from Columbine and other prior tragedies.

Please note that the YT video "Sandy Hook Radio Transmissions" uses edited audio; it is a mashup of various agencies, with time edited out in between transmissions and cannot be relied upon as an accurate data flow. It has caused untold confusion, unfortunately; however, at the time it came out, it was certainly better than nothing, and was much appreciated--I don't believe the author ever intended it to be used as a time reference.

The radio transmissions from 12/14 were archived by RadioReference; however, each day's audio is kept for only about six months, i.e. they cycle off eventually. I downloaded the audio from Newtown, Fairfield County police, and several surrounding agencies for 12/14/12, and have maintained a public folder so the files can still be accessed; it may be that someone else has made an archive as well. RadioReference uses Central Time as a standard to avoid (greater) confusion.

I agree that this is not the place to discuss the issues affecting the Sandy Hook emergency response. My apologies for getting this thread into wrong territory. Interesting site, and I wish you all the best.

 

[Kerensa]

FWIW, Maureen Will, Newtown EMS director, explaining at 21:42 in this conference one of the reasons the emergency services vehicles were paralyzed-- because State Police from multiple districts self-deployed; they're not supposed to self-deploy. They clogged the roads and blocked in EMS vehicles:

"All the law enforcement agencies surrounding us who heard it, on their scanners, self-deployed. You cannot self-deploy. We had police self-deploy, we had fire self-deploy, and we had EMS from other town self-deploy, all without us even knowing about it. We didn't have a clue...explain to me how I'm going to get those fire trucks out if I've got a fire somewhere else in Sandy Hook district? ... See that truck there? [Points with laser pointer]. We still can't figure out how he got stuck there [on Riverside]...These were all law enforcement and parents who were coming to the school...it was a disaster...and then we had children from Sandy Hook School showing up; they had run away...and just us dispatchers there...we let the kids go, back to their parents; we had no choice, we could not keep them there, we were busy."

Obviously, the kids she's referring to had neither signed into, nor signed out of, the FD. Every child unaccounted for is a potential victim hiding injured within the school, until determined otherwise.

Just including this last reference because it's Maureen Will, who is the highest emergency services authority for Newtown; if she says the road was blocked, and that reunification was problematic, and that the area was a disaster, I don't see any immediate reason to contradict her.

 

[Mick West]

I think the exact degree of congestion of the roads is really not an appropriate discussion topic for this site. Feel free to take it to PMs if you wish to hammer it out.

 

[Kerensa]

A correction: Red Cross worker Nancy Young's reference to reunification taking "hours and hours" is at 49:23 into the podcast, not 37-something as I'd incorrectly stated earlier.

 

[deirdre]

A correction: Red Cross worker Nancy Young's reference to reunification taking "hours and hours" is at 49:23 into the podcast, not 37-something as I'd incorrectly stated earlier.

its not even worth listening to after her report on her interview with Hammond, where she literally got every single thing wrong.
Hammonds statements
Book 5 #40126, #11964,#12000
hammonds statements are all backed up by the other parents and staff in the conference room that day.

 

[Mick West]

Sorry, but this has rambled on long enough. If there's something specific, then start a thread.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/posting-guidelines.2064/