SeriouslyDebatable
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All what people? What evidence is there that anyone became infected because of this experiment? What evidence is there that "Several people died as a result of the experiments."
I don't trust the government. I look at evidence. I debunk bunk.
I suppose one could track down medical records... I don't know how publicly available those records are, especially since they are from the 1950's and I am a long way away from Georgia.
All debate aside on the health implications, the army admitted that they were conducting illegal activities. I am concerned with the health implications of course, but it is not my only concern. Breaking the law concerns me as well. It is bad enough in itself, and the health implications would just be added concern. Proving that there was no health implications does not take the burden of guilt away from the accused who has already admitted to guilt. Breaking the law is not justified even if the army proclaims that nobody got sick from their experiment (in which they do not provide any medical records to back up their claim).
The government breaks the laws. Laws are supposed to be in place for a reason. It is not OK that they broke the law in the past. Perhaps you could overlook one discrepancy, however the government is a repeat offender.
No. I suspect that some persistent contrails could be chemtrails. I assume nothing is "in fact" without facts. Once again, I suspect. There is no semantics here. Assume and suspect have completely different implications on interpretation, which is why I used the word "suspect". It should be taken at face value now that I have explained myself thoroughly. There should be no confusion as to what I am saying.Hmm, I don't want to debate semantics with you. So you suspect that some persistant contrails are in fact chemtrails.
You do so on the base of these arguments:
This is still a somewhat weak case.
- some trails that look suspicious, and which you can't immediately explain
- some water tests by chemtrail activists that are not verifiable
- a list of bad (illegal or whatever) deeds quite a while back in history
Again, why suspecting the extraordinary in view of the ordinary?
What would a judge say if confronted with your arguments?
- Some trails that look suspicious, which I can't immediately explain, still look suspicious. That is the definition of suspicious. More research is needed. There is also no way to see trails at night, and no way to see trails that are not in my area, and no way to see trails while I am inside, and no way to see trails while I am outside and not looking, and there is no way to see trails if there is no air traffic at the time... Etc Etc. I need more research.
- Tests by chemtrail activists that are not verifiable, I have already explained are fundamentally flawed and would not be included in my case.
- A list of bad (illegal or whatever) deeds in history. There is no "quite a while back" about it. There is a continuation of illegal deeds and I have merely sourced an example of it being admitted to as far back as the 1950's, but that is not the only time it has happened.
I am building a case, but obviously I am not being paid to do so. That being said, I have limited resources. At this time I would not confront a judge with my arguments. I am still investigating and researching. I'm not in discovery in a case before a judge.
Breaking the law is extraordinary. You want a more recent example of the government breaking the law? Is that what would satisfy you? With Bush and Obama I am sure there is plenty that I could dig up. How about Hillary Clinton being fined for violating the Logan act?
http://www.standupamericaus.org/corruption-2/the-logan-act-and-the-bilderbergs-who-is-attending/
In a rare example of political wrist-slapping a few years back, Hillary Clinton was actually fined under the Logan Act, for violating U.S. law and meeting with foreign officials in secret. However, the practice of power-brokering without legal oversight remains the norm. How about US General Robert Gates who attended th[e] 2011 Bilderberg Meeting.