Excellent work everyone.This is a good point and I think you are correct. The way the camera is angled you can't see any of the decimal points. I re-examined the video and noticed the barely visible caret just above and to the right of the "0" on the number line across the bottom, and it seems from the other videos to be an indicator for the azimuth you are facing. It basically doesn't move from where it is during the entire clip, which leads me to believe that the azimuth range we see is from 1.5 degrees to 4.2 degrees for the first clip, and 1.9 to 3.0 for the second clip. Here is an image of what the corrected azimuth lines would look like, extended out to 30+ KM. Good catch, definitely changes possible interpretations.
I wouldn't think it is unreliable, as the FLIR SAFIRE systems are used by the military for targeting and would heavily rely on accurate azimuth and elevation to help determine an accurate target location. The FLIR data sheet for the SAFIRE III states it can generate a Category 1 target location, which means it would be accurate within 6 meters. Barring any technical problems, it should be fairly accurate. I do have a possible explanation for the jumps: Since the camera is supposedly located on the LCS's mast, the side-to-side rocking of the ship in the sea might cause an exaggerated lateral displacement of the camera mast that causes the azimuth to appear to go backwards and forwards as the camera attempts to stay on target. This would also cause the fluctuations in the elevation display.
This is correct, "Wht" is white hot and "Blk" is black hot according to the manual.
I don’t know about this. Without being confident in wind direction and without accurate range distance, it’s hard to say exactly how this blob should appear were it a balloon. I’ve seen some people correlate apparent wave movement to wind direction but I think this could be an incorrect assumption.It thought a balloon was ruled out on account of the strong wind . Maybe I remember incorrectly, but I thought the movement of the object didn't correlate with a balloon in strong wind
Lots of conditions will affect the LRF. It’s effectiveness can be impacted by geometry, opacity, and reflectivity of the target. I’m sure it could be scattered and refracted by atmospheric conditions. I was also considering whether perhaps mist at low altitudes over the sea would not be conducive to LRF performance.Would fog or a little rain allow it to show on IR but stop the Laser ranging from returning?
I think the stated range for the system of 25 km +/- 5 km relates only to the laser range-finder. At least, that's where the figure appears in the SAFIRE III Datasheet. The lack of a laser return might give us a minimum distance of 25 km for the object, assuming the range finder was working. It doesn't tell us anything about the maximum range at which heat sources can be seen, if there is such maximum. Presumably if you point the thing at the sun you will still see something on the screen.We don't know range but:
- distance to horizon from the ship is about 10 miles / 17km
- Saphire II max range is 20km while Saphire III Max. range 25 km +/-5 m (but we get no laser return)
Agreed, it is for sure not helping if it rains or other obstructing things occur.Lots of conditions will affect the LRF. It’s effectiveness can be impacted by geometry, opacity, and reflectivity of the target. I’m sure it could be scattered and refracted by atmospheric conditions. I was also considering whether perhaps mist at low altitudes over the sea would not be conducive to LRF performance.
Absolutely I've corrected the comment above as I forgot to specify laser.I think the stated range for the system of 25 km +/- 5 km relates only to the laser range-finder. At least, that's where the figure appears in the SAFIRE III Datasheet. The lack of a laser return might give us a minimum distance of 25 km for the object, assuming the range finder was working. It doesn't tell us anything about the maximum range at which heat sources can be seen, if there is such maximum. Presumably if you point the thing at the sun you will still see something on the screen.
I'd like to pursue the possibility that the object is just a commercial plane going over the horizon. I don't really have the technical knowledge to do this, but I hope others will take it further.
Is there really any clear correlation between this video and the UAV buzzing the ships? The ‘pyramid’ video was also suggested as being one of these drones but it’s pretty apparent that’s not necessarily the case. That could have been any number of things and so can this one. I know the media is implying this, but is there any primary source claiming the objects are all from the same source?
There doesn’t seem to be much doubt that there were mystery drones harassing the ships. I’m sure this caused the fleet to be alert to, and take a close look at, anything in the vicinity over this period. There’s all kinds of stuff in the skies these days and not all of it is immediately identifiable. This one may not be a weather balloon but the reason for that isn’t going to be because there are also drones.
Its prudent to consider all options according to the information available. Though, like you said, there’s likely a lot more existing information not available to us. I’m honestly not yet even convinced the Navy doesn’t have a decent guess what these videos are, even if they’re genuinely stumped on the origin of the drones. The only thing that suggests they might not are vague canned responses from Public Relations saying ‘yeah, we took this video and it’s included in ongoing examinations’.
Not everything sent to the UAPTF is going to be something incredible. I’m aware of what people like Elizondo and Mellon are saying but they’re not acting in an official government capacity, that we know of.
Thanks for the links."The video was recorded inside the Omaha’s command center just before 11 p.m. on July 15, 2019. The image on the screen shows a six-foot in diameter sphere that traveled alongside the Omaha for about an hour."
The events for the whole story was july 14th - 15th.
Thanks for the links.
[The dates here are discrepant, though, between the video and the drone reports. The video in question occurred on the 16th. It seems there were definitely drones in the area but none of the documentation or SNOOPIE logs correlate to this particular sighting. Even looking through the emails released through FOAI it looks like they were sent well after this occurrence but only ask explicitly about drone activity for the previous days.]
EDIT: This has been cleared up below.
Unfortunately with this video what we see is what we get, so far. Unless I’m missing something, which is possible. But the only extra info I’ve seen are quotes from Corbell, who has been injecting all kinds of incredible statements without sources into the Mystery Wire articles. Other media then pick those quotes up and imply they’re credible. Mystery Wire claims they were doing figure-8’s, sharp 90-turns, and that “The Navy called it a trans-medium vehicle.” I suppose the implication is that this comes from whomever is leaking the videos from the UAPTF presentation? I dunno.
To be clear, I’m not saying I think it’s a balloon or that it’s not a drone. I’m only saying the video is very ambiguous and that the waters may be intentionally muddied by some of the reporting. At this point I’m only taking primary sources and documents into consideration. I do think The Drive and Black Vault have been doing a good job so far, though.
You realise what an extraordinarily epic fail it would be if the Pentagon has given briefings to congress saying it wasn't them and then it ended up they were filming themselves after all those years and all this mess?Who is messing with the Navy? Well, could be:
Its actually our own military checking to see how, when and distance that they are being identified from our own ships in the real world.Could be that its a chance encounter cause these things are being tested all the time.Maybe, China and/or Russia,- while behind on fighter/stealth performance, aviation technology and manufacturing capabilities have produced a hell of an advanced balloon like craft, that is getting the mother lode of data by just launching these from a sub, cargo ship or maybe dropping from some cargo plane some 250 miles away that makes it way to our west coast.Then drops in the water.Then Jeremy Corbell gets hold of the video and low and behold we have Trans Medium craft and so on.
Not a balloon then balloons are just filled with air. They don't manoeuvre. That would be a dirigible or airship.A balloon concept that was far more advanced—one that could be able to be actively controlled and make abrupt maneuvers.
Or investigated and confirmed internally but they are not going to talk about that when discussing the leaked videos? That would seem equally possible.Filming another branch/black project is the most common and the first option the Pentagon will have investigated and excluded.
After all this time and given the high level statements (Pentagon statements, Directors of national intelligence, congress, senators) this option must have been thoroughly investigated and excluded.
Or still a balloon, but towed by something else.Not a balloon then balloons are just filled with air. They don't manoeuvre. That would be a dirigible or airship.
We have the date/time and location. Was a Dragon capsule splashing down there at that time and date? What did your searches tell you?Looks like its gone over the horizon to me, and on the zoomed in splash down bit, when it reappears its slightly higher which is probably the ship rocking slightly - could it be the spaceX dragon capsule parachuting down into the sea, hot from re-entry.
In general, the balloon system may be encouraged to travel in the vertical direction by releasing gas from the bag to descend and by either injecting gas from the compressed gas cylinder and/or jettisoning weight to ascend. The balloon system may optionally include some form of directional thrusters to allow it to travel in a specific horizontal direction and/or travel in a vertical direction at a rate faster than the effects of lift and weight would allow. Thrusters may be provided by solid rocket propellant, or alternately by miniature engines that burn hydrogen gas from the bag or from the gas cylinder.
There have been confidential reports to congress. If they knew they would have told congress. But congressmen such as Rubio are saying that the military has no idea what they are.The US Military may in fact admit, once this report comes out in June, that some of these sightings are in fact advanced Recon balloons.
I was just joking but technically balloons are not manoeuvrable. They just float. While dirigibles/airships etc. are used to describe floting stuff that can move.You mentioned:
Not a balloon then balloons are just filled with air. They don't manoeuvre. That would be a dirigible or airship.
I would have to respectfully disagree, A Sopwith Camel is still a plane, even though its not an F15,
These balloons DO maneuver, now whether that is what the Omaha was tracking, who knows...but it sure seems like it to me.
Without knowing the actual values in the pixels we have no idea what the shape is. We can’t know how many pixels are saturated or know how much image compression affects the edges. This is just a shapeless blob.Exactly. Not a sphere. It is very possibly a (the) Cocoyoc Object with arms (used for landing) retracted. Hopefully clearer pictures will emerge.
We have all the necessary data to precisely identify where the object was don't we?I'm not sure that can be said with confidence. There was still a bit of traffic around, and it's not 100% clear where the object is.
This makes sense especially with the day number first. At least in America (I know it’s different in Europe) it’d be the month-day-year if all numbers: 7-16-2019. But if putting the day first then you’d use the letters for the month: 16-Jul-2019. Even though there is no 16th month, using the European convention, I.e., 16-7-2019, would be confusing for Americans.I think that's 'Jul', the two stems of the 'u' bleeding into the 'J' and 'l', respectively, and the lower part cut off from the screen. Plus I haven't seen a video yet in which the system ever shows the month as a number, it's always a three-letter abbreviation.
Forgive me for being a bit lazy and not reading through this entire thread to see if this has been mentioned before. To me it's obvious, the IR tracking tech. now has the ability to follow a commercial airliner until it disappears below the horizon. In fact I took a few minutes to model it on Walter Bislin's advanced earth curve calculator.This thread is getting a bit speculative. Please let's try stay on the topic of the Omaha Sphere.
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