'Orb' UAP over the Ohoopee River in Georgia USA 7-3-2023

[motrox]

SS: The source is Twitter.

This description came with the video:

UFO orb sphere on HD cameras over the Ohoopee River in Georgia USA 7-3-2023. The color starlight camera is a 4K camera. This is some closeup videos I got of the smaller UFO probes. I think there were 3 of them in all flying around me yesterday evening. A lot of the cameras are on a tower so they can see the whole area.

Original Post:
Source: https://twitter.com/RangerH338/status/1676168443601768453

 

[deirdre]

This description came with the video:

some screengrabs and timestamps would be nice.

 

[sigmops]

This video was supposedly recorded on July 3, 2023. Posted to twitter on July 4th, 2023

There was a previous post on /r/ufos on July 4th


Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/14qkpqo/orbs_found_this_hd_video_on_twitter/?share_id=3OC4lVBRiXhq3dGVaFX3h


The video was reposted today starting another round of discussion:


Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16zn7i3/wtf_is_this_thing_metallic_orb_closes_in_from_far/


/u/aryelbcn previously provided a closeup:


Source: https://imgur.com/a/ylQUToz


Filmed on two separate cameras facing the sky. This edit posted to reddit shows the synced movement


Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/14qqhfm/sync_of_the_new_orb_videos_uploaded_on_twitter_by/


also the path traced out (courtesy /u/CapsAdmin):


Source: https://imgur.com/a/UYA2hbi


The twitter user RangerH338 has been posting and reposting the same story that he and his family have been seeing these orbs for many years on his property. This is why he has cameras setup to record the sky.

 

[sigmops]

Questions I have about this video:

Could be CGI, but how hard would it be to render this accurately? Miracles can be done with CG, and I have been fooled by the Tesla cam footage hoax by the Youtube Corridor Crew where they used 3 synced cameras from a moving Tesla to render an anomalous light. This user seems to have a fairly prolific Twitter account going back to the start of the year with frequent postings and very little CGI previous art to compare and demostrate such ability.

CGI seems most likely to me, maybe rendered overtop the flight of a regular drone. Can it ever be ruled out?

If a drone what kind is it? The object does not display any exotic movement. Certainly nothing a drone could not do. However this isn't likely a video of a standard drone, as there are exceedingly few examples of ones that can fly encased in a solid shell. There are examples of drones within spherical cages that do not impede airflow and prevent aerodynamic movement, but rare few that can fly encased as this footage seems to show.

The following are few examples of drones that are not quadcopters but have propellers hidden inside of a shell. I think these might offer a more similar appearance to Ranger H's drone.

Here is a ducted fan UAV called *Fleye* that had a Kickstarter in 2015. This looks pretty close, but from the side it is visibly missing the upper portion of the sphere. In addition the kickstarter page tells that they were not able to produce the product for its backers:


Source: https://youtu.be/ShNS-WLGVLo?t=117



Source: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gofleye/fleye-your-personal-flying-robot/description


Here is a drone called the *Dronut X1 Pro* by Cleo Robotics and apparently sells for over $9,000. To me, this doesnt appear nearly as spherical as the one in the Twitter video.

https://cleorobotics.com/product/

Mick West suggested it on twitter:

Source: https://twitter.com/MickWest/status/1676417125915983872

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

If this were just a random YT video titled, Testing My New Drone, it would seem pretty normal... at first.

But something caught my attention. Not a leaf stirs, not a blade of grass sways, not a cloud moves. Both the color and B&W versions look like stills. However, in the B&W version we do see bugs going by. No reason those couldn't be inserted over a still, though.

Let's consider the possibility that this is a CGI image moving across a still photo. What do you think?

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

On the other hand, there are drones that can look like a solid sphere.

The concept comprises of a spherical external frame, an internal LED frame consisting of a series of eight curved LED strips that extend from top to bottom, a drone fitted inside the sphere and legs protruding underneath. During flight, the LED frame spins on its axis in a rapid horizontal motion, forming an afterimage effect to create the illusion of a solid sphere of motionless LEDs.

But the simplest explanation is that this is the old model and fishing pole trick. If you have multiple string attachments and move carefully, the wobbly motion and swaying can be minimized. A spherical model would also tend to minimize wobble. Much better than a pie plate.

That's the explanation I think is most likely.

 

[SuppaCoup]

This video was supposedly recorded on July 3, 2023. Posted to twitter on July 4th, 2023

There was a previous post on /r/ufos on July 4th


Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/14qkpqo/orbs_found_this_hd_video_on_twitter/?share_id=3OC4lVBRiXhq3dGVaFX3h


The video was reposted today starting another round of discussion:


Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16zn7i3/wtf_is_this_thing_metallic_orb_closes_in_from_far/


/u/aryelbcn previously provided a closeup:


Source: https://imgur.com/a/ylQUToz


Filmed on two separate cameras facing the sky. This edit posted to reddit shows the synced movement


Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/14qqhfm/sync_of_the_new_orb_videos_uploaded_on_twitter_by/


also the path traced out (courtesy /u/CapsAdmin):


Source: https://imgur.com/a/UYA2hbi


The twitter user RangerH338 has been posting and reposting the same story that he and his family have been seeing these orbs for many years on his property. This is why he has cameras setup to record the sky.

does he have years worth of emails, photos, or other documentation to back this assertion about long running sightings up?

 

[Kyle Ferriter]

RangerH338 has been posting videos and bad interpretations for a while. I don't know if he has older footage but he's been posting in 2023. He accompanies his videos with fun-but-baseless speculative fiction. I don't think he really understands the limitations around judging distances and sizes. I'm guessing he just ignores all feedback he gets because he prefers the theories he makes up.

The one in the OP here looks like a drone. I wouldn't assume he's hoaxing it, I think he just records a lot and watches the videos in slow-motion and picks out little low-resolution anomalies from things like bugs that he prefers to think are "UFOs":


Source: https://twitter.com/kyle_ferriter/status/1623925341969592320

 

[Mendel]

To me as a layman, the sunlight on the orb looks very different from the shadow on the trees, reinforcing the impression that it's CGI.

Does the lighting on the orb change with the change in direction from the observer, by the same number of degrees?

We don't have a camera position, camera type, view direction, or accurate time. This report isn't meant to be analysed.

 

[FatPhil]

If this were just a random YT video titled, Testing My New Drone, it would seem pretty normal... at first.

But something caught my attention. Not a leaf stirs, not a blade of grass sways, not a cloud moves. Both the color and B&W versions look like stills. However, in the B&W version we do see bugs going by. No reason those couldn't be inserted over a still, though.

Let's consider the possibility that this is a CGI image moving across a still photo. What do you think?

The leaves are certainly uncannily still, I also noticed that, but upon skipping back/forwards by tens of seconds, you do see the cloud layer move behind them. Whether they move by the same amount in the two parts of the vid, I don't know. Just having a sketch of the scene with the FoVs of the two cameras would be useful, as I suspect we can't cross reference anything in the two skies as their frusta probably diverge.

CGI would be my first guess, certainly. A non-changing cloud layer, like a non-changing tree layer, would certainly also be suspicious, can the two scenes be stabilised on the clouds? If there's no evolution of the clouds at all and no change of illumination, that would be a warning sign.

 

[jarlrmai]

We've discussed this one before I am sure, I just cannot find the thread..

 

[FatPhil]

/u/aryelbcn previously provided a closeup:


Source: https://imgur.com/a/ylQUToz

That seems non-orblike to me. That looks like it's missing the bottom of the sphere, at least. Exactly the bit you'd want absent were you a drone wanting to be pushing air downwards in order to maintain flight.

The flight path itself does look very believable as a flight path of a self-powered object with mass flying through Air 1.0. It smoothly accelerates to change direction rather than just abruptly changing direction, and it even bobs once or twice as it jerks between different accelerations. To achieve those turns, it wouldn't even have to be a particularly high-spec drone (from a mobility perspective), were it a drone. It might be a big drone, though, as mass is the great giver of inertia, which it clearly has.

Is anyone convinced they can identify tell-tale drone parts inside the shroud?

 

[RobertBillyBob]

not a cloud moves

Clouds are definitely moving and changing shapes in the second video, it's obvious at higher speed. In the first one they are also moving but it's less obvious weither they change shape or not.

Let's consider the possibility that this is a CGI image moving across a still photo. What do you think?

It could be CGI with a video background, with fixed cameras there is no tracking to do and it's as easy as with a still photo.

The flight path seems incredibly tame for a CGI video. No hanging in place, no sudden acceleration, object seems subject to gravity and inertia.

 

[Mendel]

We've discussed this one before I am sure, I just cannot find the thread..

I'm confident there is no thread created after July 3rd, 2023, on Metabunk, that discusses this sighting. Did you mean that we've discussed another sighting of a similar (or the same) object?

 

[jarlrmai]

I'm confident there is no thread created after July 3rd, 2023, on Metabunk, that discusses this sighting. Did you mean that we've discussed another sighting of a similar (or the same) object?

No we have discussed these or incredibly similar videos before I remember, the 2 videos one night vision the other colour with the red car/jeep on the left and we discussed the trees moving as well...

Man this is frustrating I remember loading the colour video into Davinci and increasing the gamma...

Cannot find it on search though

 

[Ravi]

The ball does give away a nice show right in front of the camera, doesn't it? Looks a little bit deliberate.

@jarlrmai
I also remember it. But, I also cannot remember when.. I also recall some sort of debunk and even a hoaxer....

 

[sigmops]

But the simplest explanation is that this is the old model and fishing pole trick.

A similar idea was suggested on Reddit that the object could be something hanging by a string from a drone out of frame. Others pointed out a lack of pendulum motion that would be very hard to avoid while moving.

In the original clip (the non-synced version) at start of the black and white footage the object starts out quite small and possibly far away. Not sure if that helps to visualize the possibility if it is dangling from something or not?

 

[Scaramanga]

SS: The source is Twitter.

This description came with the video:

UFO orb sphere on HD cameras over the Ohoopee River in Georgia USA 7-3-2023. The color starlight camera is a 4K camera. This is some closeup videos I got of the smaller UFO probes. I think there were 3 of them in all flying around me yesterday evening. A lot of the cameras are on a tower so they can see the whole area.

Original Post:
Source: https://twitter.com/RangerH338/status/1676168443601768453

Gosh...the minute I see that 'UFO flash' that just has to happen before the UFO flies off.....I am 101% certain that it is a hoax. The flash before flying off is so common that it is a veritable hoax trope.

 

[sigmops]

We don't have a camera position, camera type, view direction, or accurate time.

Well, if we trust the footage at all it has the date and timestamps on the footage. July 3, 2023 around 9:07 PM
The twitter user who posted it endlessly references that they are in Ohoopee, Georgia USA
Based on the light of the sky with the brightest being on the left, at that time of day in July that would imply a view facing north.
Zoom.earth for that date appears to show clouds that could roughly match.

That seems non-orblike to me. That looks like it's missing the bottom of the sphere, at least. Exactly the bit you'd want absent were you a drone wanting to be pushing air downwards in order to maintain flight.

I agree that the bottom looks open, and therefore it not being a completely closed shell, however even solid shells with an open top and bottom are not often seen on drones. I am not very knowledgable about the aerodynamics but I'd bet there is some technical reason drones arent (can't) be built that way. A protective shell around a drone would seem to be advantageous for flying near obstacles like tree branches. So if this guy made one, couldnt he be making some money selling or patenting it?

The flight path seems incredibly tame for a CGI video.

My feeling as well.
Why bother creating CGI for something so mundane? (then again that's how i felt with the Telsa footage before the hoax was revealed).
Its basically a drone except for the shape. And even that doesn't seem overly alien or otherworldly. (why a blinking light? is it taking photos? FAA safety strobes?) Like it could nearly equally be a modified drone, save for the fact that nobody flies drones in a solid shell.

 

[Landru]

I agree that the bottom looks open, and therefore it not being a completely closed shell, however even solid shells with an open top and bottom are not often seen on drones.

But they are seen as described by Mick West in post #4 and Z. W. Wolf in post #6.

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

I've touched on this elsewhere. Naive UFO Debunkers tend to "go too complex." Discussion here has convinced me this isn't CGI on a still. I doubt this is a drone. And a model hanging from a drone is still unnecessarily complex.

This witness seems to have a very eccentric history, makes extreme claims with nothing to back it up. There's even a hint that he's making claims to his own skeptical family. History shows that this type of witness gets frustrated and ends up making low tech hoax UFO films/videos. The historical films/videos of this type tend to show something, at least, but don't support the more extreme claims. This present video matches that scenario.

From his post:

I had a close encounter with the UFOs on 11-8-2012 and the Beings in them. They started coming back all the time after that event. They made some kind of connection to me. I have hundreds of videos of the UFOs from over the years. I'm just a normal person that something amazing happened to. You can not make up a story as crazy as what has happened to my family since 2012!
This video is nothing compared to what we have seen them do. I have closeup 4K videos of them doing something amazing that the government and scientist should see. They can perform molecular manipulation on matter. The craft can change shape instantly and they can change other things also. I have videos showing them do this. I have a amazing story that needs to come out!

Let's start with the simplest classic scenario. It's a model suspended from a pole or tree branch. I think a pole is much more likely because of the relative freedom of movement the model displays. So spherical model with LEDs suspended from a pole by multiple string attachments is the "just complex enough" scenario.

Please check this thread: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/bi...-contacts-and-videos-fakes.10966/#post-234826

Note that MW's most successful test was done during twilight, which provides the best lighting. No direct sunshine on the model, but the model is silhouetted against the sky; which makes it stand out, but obscures details of the model. And of course this present video was made during twilight.

 

[sigmops]

Let's start with the simplest classic scenario. It's a model suspended from a pole or tree branch. I think a pole is much more likely because of the relative freedom of movement the model displays.

Good point, simplest is best. However have you seen how small the object is at the start of the black and white footage?
Having a hard time picturing how a pole of some kind would reach out that far, unless the object is the size of something like a pingpong ball, even still I cant picture it.


Source: https://i.imgur.com/V0wN8oi.png

 

[sigmops]

But they are seen as described by Mick West in post #4 and Z. W. Wolf in post #6.

True and I am the one who acknowledged Mick's suggestion in post #4. My point is that, IMHO, the profile of the object in this video doesnt look the same as those. Since there are very few drones that look that way seems that it should be possible to find the exact one.

 

[Landru]

True and I am the one who acknowledged Mick's suggestion in post #4. My point is that, IMHO, the profile of the object in this video doesnt look the same as those. Since there are very few drones that look that way seems that it should be possible to find the exact one.

Mick has provided pictures that look similar to me. Can you show pictures/diagram that illustrate your disagreement.

 

[sigmops]

Mick has provided pictures that look similar to me. Can you show pictures/diagram that illustrate your disagreement.

I should and I'll see if i can

 

[deirdre]

RangerH338 has been posting videos and bad interpretations for a while. I don't know if he has older footage but he's been posting in 2023. He accompanies his videos with fun-but-baseless speculative fiction. I don't think he really understands the limitations around judging distances and sizes. I'm guessing he just ignores all feedback he gets because he prefers the theories he makes up.

The one in the OP here looks like a drone. I wouldn't assume he's hoaxing it, I think he just records a lot and watches the videos in slow-motion and picks out little low-resolution anomalies from things like bugs that he prefers to think are "UFOs":


Source: https://twitter.com/kyle_ferriter/status/1623925341969592320

so basically he has his own drone. has he ever shown his drones?

 

[Mendel]

However have you seen how small the object is at the start of the black and white footage?
Having a hard time picturing how a pole of some kind would reach out that far

"small" and "far" are not the same, something can be small and close.

 

[ced0412]

A similar idea was suggested on Reddit that the object could be something hanging by a string from a drone out of frame. Others pointed out a lack of pendulum motion that would be very hard to avoid while moving.

In the original clip (the non-synced version) at start of the black and white footage the object starts out quite small and possibly far away. Not sure if that helps to visualize the possibility if it is dangling from something or not?

I suggested that early on in the thread and was piled on pretty bad by the true believers. I do agree with some that the movement when it comes to a stop doesn't look like an object hanging from a drone as it should continue swinging with momentum.

So anyways, I was curious how this would behave so I got out my DJI Mini 2, 30ft of 12lb flouro line and found the only light weight "spherical" object I had around the house, the cage from a small bingo game (6" diameter). Also needs 100+ ft of line to have the drone avoid the camera, or just edit it out. Filmed with iPhone 12 Max, imported to photos to crop out the boat numbers then exported back to the file.

To me this looks very easy to copy with the right angles and piloting of the drone. I also think we could improve on this by hanging another line from the sphere with a small counter weight at bottom, I'll update if I try that.

Had to chop it in half to upload, also removed audio but we all know you can hear the drone very clearly.


Source: https://imgur.com/a/u1OjVdL



Source: https://imgur.com/a/8vRqclG

 

[Kyle Ferriter]

so basically he has his own drone. has he ever shown his drones?

Yes, and not that I'm aware of

 

[Ravi]

"small" and "far" are not the same, something can be small and close.

 

[sigmops]

So anyways, I was curious how this would behave so I got out my DJI Mini 2, 30ft of 12lb flouro line and found the only light weight "spherical" object I had around the house, the cage from a small bingo game (6" diameter).

Wow way to go
Thats some quality work!

 

[Mendel]

To me this looks very easy to copy with the right angles and piloting of the drone. I also think we could improve on this by hanging another line from the sphere with a small counter weight at bottom, I'll update if I try that.

Welcome to Metabunk! Sign up with @NorCal Dave for the Metabunk hoaxmeister group.

(I suggest a glass counterweight to save on editing.)

 

[Skalman]

Why won't he show his "much better videos" rather than whatever this is? Has he offered any explanation?

I think it's fairly obvious this is some sort of hoax.

 

[NorCal Dave]

Welcome to Metabunk! Sign up with @NorCal Dave for the Metabunk hoaxmeister group.

(I suggest a glass counterweight to save on editing.)

I think Mick started a thread on hoaxing UFO photos. It would be good to copy some of our efforts into that thread just showing the various attempted recreations from other threads without all the accompanying discussion just for reference.

For the Calvine photo I did use a suspended counter weight out of view and a side tag line to keep the model from moving in the wind. But that was just a still.

Having a bit of trouble seeing what @ced0412 came up with on my phone but it sounds good. May have to wait till I get home to check it out properly.

 

[ced0412]

I can send you all the original video for use if you will just crop out my boat reg numbers.

I'm not at all a video editor so the clips could be improved on.

 

[Landru]

I can send you all the original video for use if you will just crop out my boat reg numbers.

I'm not at all a video editor so the clips could be improved on.

Please use the Reply button when responding to messages.

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

I got out my DJI Mini 2, 30ft of 12lb flouro line and found the only light weight "spherical" object I had around the house, the cage from a small bingo game (6" diameter). Also needs 100+ ft of line to have the drone avoid the camera, or just edit it out. Filmed with iPhone 12 Max, imported to photos to crop out the boat numbers then exported back to the file.

To me this looks very easy to copy with the right angles and piloting of the drone. I also think we could improve on this by hanging another line from the sphere with a small counter weight at bottom, I'll update if I try that.



Source: https://imgur.com/a/u1OjVdL



Source: https://imgur.com/a/8vRqclG

I'm switching to the model suspended from drone scenario after seeing this. A real life test is pretty convincing. Nothing like empiricism, is there?

 

[GeekFurious]

I'm switching to the model suspended from drone scenario after seeing this. A real life test is pretty convincing. Nothing like empiricism, is there?

It's also making me realize one might be able to create multiple flying objects seemingly in formation connected by some kind of suspension system while being flown around by a drone.

 

[flarkey]

It's also making me realize one might be able to create multiple flying objects seemingly in formation connected by some kind of suspension system while being flown around by a drone.

Maybe we should have a Metabunk competition to see who can make the most convincing fake?

 

[GeekFurious]

Maybe we should have a Metabunk competition to see who can make the most convincing fake?

Great idea. And maybe there should be a competition to recreate popular UFO/UAP videos utilizing the cheapest available material & technology. Could even expand that to recreating UFO/UAP videos utilizing only the available tech at the time the videos were recorded. Or, if the technology isn't available (for instance, military), then a reasonable analog.