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Hey guys! Long time lurker here! I've got a case that you might find interesting.
I do some hobby investigative work on my streams on Twitch on JacexDowozWideo (it's in polish, so probably not much interest to most of you, but I wanted to share my background)
Recently I've been investigating an interesting photo shared by "Paranormalna Polska" on Facebook, a polish UFO enthusiast group (not very sceptic, I might add).
A reader has shared a photo they've taken 20th of june, 2023 on a Turkish beach in Dilek Yarimadasi Buyuk Menderes Deltasi Milli Park
It's a picture of a woman holding a child, looking out into the sea.
The woman claims that she has not seen anything weird when the photo was taken, neither her nor the people she was there with at the time.
(The original photos can be found in the attachments)
The Facebook post with all the data Paranormalna Polska provided, which I've been using in my research (translated using google translate):
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Source: https://www.facebook.com/paranormalnapolska/posts/pfbid0hZVh7wyeNxdooxVoXPvMxHG3XmXx1q4iC59vsDJDr4J8v7kwALNDSwecX8UxfL8Dl
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The object in question can be seen to the top right of the photo.
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The photo uploaded to fotoforensics, for your convenience:
https://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=c72f7fd6d329be64517cb0036c7e9dbfe50dad0e.7416824
Sadly, the EXIF data was compromised by "Paranormalna Polska" when they had to hide the face of the man swimming in the distance.
The photo in question is a part of a set of six photos, taken one after the other with an iPhone 13 Pro Max.
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(screenshot of a conversation, provided by Paranormalna Polska)
Here is the photo #5, taken right before photo #6 (the one with the object)
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Fotoforensics:
https://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=11f734f2124552e81eaa5390b1da83ee7743cf2f.7402971
As you can see, the object does not appear on photo #5. I'm not sure of the time between the two photos, but looking at the advancing wave closest to the camera, it must have taken less than a second (no proof of that, feel free to correct me)
"Paranormalna Polska" concluded that it means that the object was traveling at great speed.
I however propose that it was a smaller object, closer to the camera.
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This is where the photo was taken (info provided by the photo owner to "Paranormalna Polska")
https://goo.gl/maps/jcKEA3eeiTpQcEB67
My investigation:
Things I've considered:
a) a floating/flying item:
1. a bird
We've been going through some videos of the beach, such as this one.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgqo8G9HfZE
What we've noticed immediately is a lack of birds. No seagulls or pigeons that would normally be associated with a busy tourist beach. It's possible there is more present some other time of the year.
If the UAP is a bird, we would be looking at it at a very interesting angle, with its legs behind its back (like the one below), or flush against it.
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It seems unlikely, but not impossible.
2. a bug
There are plenty of insects present in this Turkish park. Cicadas are plentiful, so it became one of my prime suspects. However, no angle really fits.
We've been looking at other insects in Turkey, but
A cicada molt was also considered, but I'm not convinced. Unlikely.
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3. a balloon
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A balloon, thrown around by wind, a bit deflated, traveling on its side. It would also explain how reflective the top of the object is (the white on the top of the object is as bright as the sun reflected on wet rocks on the bottom of the picture)
Where did it come from though?
From the video posted earlier, we know that there are stands nearby where you can rent/buy inflatable toys, but there are no helium balloons in sight.
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It easily could have traveled from a nearby city though, if we consider how beaten up it seems.
What doesn't fit into that theory is that the people present claim that they havent seen anything weird while there, and I feel like a floating balloon would catch their attention.
There is also the fact that the object is not present in the picture taken just before this one: that would be one fast balloon. Not impossible, but less likely.
4. an inflatable toy
We haven't spotted any toys of this shape on the stands, and an inflatable toy would require much more wind than the balloon. Probably would have been noticed by the witnesses.
5. a plastic bag
Same as with the balloon and inflatables. Harder to miss.
6. a nut or a leaf
This came to me while watching the youtube videos of the park
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(the place in the picture is a few hundred meters east, but there could be similar ones closer to where our photo was taken)
There is quite a lot of foliage right behind the beaches in the area where the photo was taken. The noon sun casts shadows from the top, so even though we dont see tree shadows in our picture, it's possible there were trees nearby.
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We can also see some cliffs to the east, from where the leaf, nut or seed could have been blown down.
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We know some wind was present, because when we compare the two photos, we can see that the woman's hair on the one taken after "travels" against gravity.
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Dead leafs, nuts and seed have different sizes, but what doesn't fit that theory is how reflective the object seems to be at the top.
It's as bright as the wet stones reflecting sunlight, but a bit more "creamy"
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7. a piece of trash
This one is my favorite.
I think there is a high chance that the object is a piece of foil you would find on top of a wine/champagne bottle.
This would explain the "creamy" reflective properties
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There are cliffs near the beaches where people frequently make BBQs and picnics.
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(the place in the picture is a few hundred meters east, but there could be similar ones closer to where our photo was taken)
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My 3D model I made used to explain the angle
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What doesn't fit this theory however is the fact that I've never seen a piece of foil that would have this kind of ridge.
It could be made by this particular type of wire used to hold the cork in place.
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But again, I don't have proof.
We've been looking at wine bottles available in Turkey, most of them have this more classic wire design
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Which creates 4, smaller ridges.
A different comparison, made by one of my viewers
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This is where I need your help!
It's as close as we got to explaining what the object is. Maybe there is a different type of cork used for condiments, with a foil top that looks just like our object?
So these were my theories if we assume that the object was floating in the wind/flying. However, there is a chance that we were lied to, or the witnesses just forgot about something. In that case:
b) a thrown item
1. a rock
Most rocks on that beach were smooth, but we can find some more irregular ones. It would have to be moist to be this reflective, but it's possible.
2. a shell
How about a seashell? Some of them are quite reflective. It's possible, though I couldn't find a seashell that would be exactly that shape. Maybe you know of one?
3. a toy
Some viewers proposed a squished pingpong ball. I could see that.
4. a turtle shell
Let's address the elephant in the room. The thing looks like a turtle shell. Maybe Gamera took a wrong turn somewhere over the indian ocean?
Or it could be a regular turtle shell thrown into the sea. Weirder stuff happened, right?
Oh also, one other thing I noticed I hope you could help me understand
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What is this jpg artifact, and could it be something that would help us deduce which direction the object came from?
So yeah, this is all the stuff I've been going through recently. As I said above, my main theory is that it's a piece of foil protecting the top of a bottle, that was blown off a nearby cliff where people hang out. I would appreciate your help in helping me ID what bottle it could be.
Thanks for checking out my investigation, I hope it was a fun read!
I do some hobby investigative work on my streams on Twitch on JacexDowozWideo (it's in polish, so probably not much interest to most of you, but I wanted to share my background)
Recently I've been investigating an interesting photo shared by "Paranormalna Polska" on Facebook, a polish UFO enthusiast group (not very sceptic, I might add).
A reader has shared a photo they've taken 20th of june, 2023 on a Turkish beach in Dilek Yarimadasi Buyuk Menderes Deltasi Milli Park
It's a picture of a woman holding a child, looking out into the sea.
The woman claims that she has not seen anything weird when the photo was taken, neither her nor the people she was there with at the time.
(The original photos can be found in the attachments)
The Facebook post with all the data Paranormalna Polska provided, which I've been using in my research (translated using google translate):
View attachment 62421
Source: https://www.facebook.com/paranormalnapolska/posts/pfbid0hZVh7wyeNxdooxVoXPvMxHG3XmXx1q4iC59vsDJDr4J8v7kwALNDSwecX8UxfL8Dl
View attachment 62417
The object in question can be seen to the top right of the photo.
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The photo uploaded to fotoforensics, for your convenience:
https://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=c72f7fd6d329be64517cb0036c7e9dbfe50dad0e.7416824
Sadly, the EXIF data was compromised by "Paranormalna Polska" when they had to hide the face of the man swimming in the distance.
The photo in question is a part of a set of six photos, taken one after the other with an iPhone 13 Pro Max.
View attachment 62419
(screenshot of a conversation, provided by Paranormalna Polska)
Here is the photo #5, taken right before photo #6 (the one with the object)
View attachment 62420
Fotoforensics:
https://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=11f734f2124552e81eaa5390b1da83ee7743cf2f.7402971
As you can see, the object does not appear on photo #5. I'm not sure of the time between the two photos, but looking at the advancing wave closest to the camera, it must have taken less than a second (no proof of that, feel free to correct me)
"Paranormalna Polska" concluded that it means that the object was traveling at great speed.
I however propose that it was a smaller object, closer to the camera.
View attachment 62423View attachment 62424
This is where the photo was taken (info provided by the photo owner to "Paranormalna Polska")
https://goo.gl/maps/jcKEA3eeiTpQcEB67
My investigation:
Things I've considered:
a) a floating/flying item:
1. a bird
We've been going through some videos of the beach, such as this one.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgqo8G9HfZE
What we've noticed immediately is a lack of birds. No seagulls or pigeons that would normally be associated with a busy tourist beach. It's possible there is more present some other time of the year.
If the UAP is a bird, we would be looking at it at a very interesting angle, with its legs behind its back (like the one below), or flush against it.
View attachment 62425View attachment 62418
It seems unlikely, but not impossible.
2. a bug
There are plenty of insects present in this Turkish park. Cicadas are plentiful, so it became one of my prime suspects. However, no angle really fits.
We've been looking at other insects in Turkey, but
A cicada molt was also considered, but I'm not convinced. Unlikely.
View attachment 62426View attachment 62418
3. a balloon
View attachment 62428View attachment 62418
A balloon, thrown around by wind, a bit deflated, traveling on its side. It would also explain how reflective the top of the object is (the white on the top of the object is as bright as the sun reflected on wet rocks on the bottom of the picture)
Where did it come from though?
From the video posted earlier, we know that there are stands nearby where you can rent/buy inflatable toys, but there are no helium balloons in sight.
View attachment 62429View attachment 62430
It easily could have traveled from a nearby city though, if we consider how beaten up it seems.
What doesn't fit into that theory is that the people present claim that they havent seen anything weird while there, and I feel like a floating balloon would catch their attention.
There is also the fact that the object is not present in the picture taken just before this one: that would be one fast balloon. Not impossible, but less likely.
4. an inflatable toy
We haven't spotted any toys of this shape on the stands, and an inflatable toy would require much more wind than the balloon. Probably would have been noticed by the witnesses.
5. a plastic bag
Same as with the balloon and inflatables. Harder to miss.
6. a nut or a leaf
This came to me while watching the youtube videos of the park
View attachment 62431
(the place in the picture is a few hundred meters east, but there could be similar ones closer to where our photo was taken)
There is quite a lot of foliage right behind the beaches in the area where the photo was taken. The noon sun casts shadows from the top, so even though we dont see tree shadows in our picture, it's possible there were trees nearby.
View attachment 62432
We can also see some cliffs to the east, from where the leaf, nut or seed could have been blown down.
View attachment 62433
We know some wind was present, because when we compare the two photos, we can see that the woman's hair on the one taken after "travels" against gravity.
View attachment 62434
Dead leafs, nuts and seed have different sizes, but what doesn't fit that theory is how reflective the object seems to be at the top.
It's as bright as the wet stones reflecting sunlight, but a bit more "creamy"
View attachment 62435
7. a piece of trash
This one is my favorite.
I think there is a high chance that the object is a piece of foil you would find on top of a wine/champagne bottle.
This would explain the "creamy" reflective properties
View attachment 62436View attachment 62437
There are cliffs near the beaches where people frequently make BBQs and picnics.
View attachment 62444
(the place in the picture is a few hundred meters east, but there could be similar ones closer to where our photo was taken)
View attachment 62445
My 3D model I made used to explain the angle
View attachment 62438View attachment 62439
View attachment 62440
What doesn't fit this theory however is the fact that I've never seen a piece of foil that would have this kind of ridge.
It could be made by this particular type of wire used to hold the cork in place.
View attachment 62441
But again, I don't have proof.
We've been looking at wine bottles available in Turkey, most of them have this more classic wire design
View attachment 62442
Which creates 4, smaller ridges.
A different comparison, made by one of my viewers
View attachment 62443View attachment 62418
This is where I need your help!
It's as close as we got to explaining what the object is. Maybe there is a different type of cork used for condiments, with a foil top that looks just like our object?
So these were my theories if we assume that the object was floating in the wind/flying. However, there is a chance that we were lied to, or the witnesses just forgot about something. In that case:
b) a thrown item
1. a rock
Most rocks on that beach were smooth, but we can find some more irregular ones. It would have to be moist to be this reflective, but it's possible.
2. a shell
How about a seashell? Some of them are quite reflective. It's possible, though I couldn't find a seashell that would be exactly that shape. Maybe you know of one?
3. a toy
Some viewers proposed a squished pingpong ball. I could see that.
4. a turtle shell
Let's address the elephant in the room. The thing looks like a turtle shell. Maybe Gamera took a wrong turn somewhere over the indian ocean?
Or it could be a regular turtle shell thrown into the sea. Weirder stuff happened, right?
Oh also, one other thing I noticed I hope you could help me understand
View attachment 62448
What is this jpg artifact, and could it be something that would help us deduce which direction the object came from?
So yeah, this is all the stuff I've been going through recently. As I said above, my main theory is that it's a piece of foil protecting the top of a bottle, that was blown off a nearby cliff where people hang out. I would appreciate your help in helping me ID what bottle it could be.
Thanks for checking out my investigation, I hope it was a fun read!
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