jvnk08
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For someone named Logic and Sanity, you appear to be lacking both.
As another person pointed out, you are owed nothing by these families. If you really think you are, I suggest you go and interview them yourselves.
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For someone named Logic and Sanity, you appear to be lacking both.
As another person pointed out, you are owed nothing by these families. If you really think you are, I suggest you go and interview them yourselves.
LogicAndSanity
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Here's a great analysis of some of the Sandy Hook interviews. Again, I'm not saying that no children died. It's just that all my common sense is telling me I'm being lied to.
Hey Mick, there's your owl at 5:26. A "special" painting by one of the shooting victims that will be given directly to the President, by Anderson Cooper. (At 8:30 Anderson pulls up the owl painting again and says, he'll be giving it to the President)
Hey Mick, there's your owl at 5:26. A "special" painting by one of the shooting victims that will be given directly to the President, by Anderson Cooper. (At 8:30 Anderson pulls up the owl painting again and says, he'll be giving it to the President)
LogicAndSanity
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I'm saying it's possible, the most probable to me would be this Gene Rosen character, because on top of the no tears, and what appears (in my opinion) to be a poor acting job, this guy changes his story every time he opens his mouth in an interview. They've even pin pointed his house through different interviews, identifying street signs, it turns out he lives next door to the fire station (you could clearly see the fire station through the trees next door to his house, in one of his interviews). Which to me makes his claims of bringing 6 children into his house for juice and stuffed animals even that much more strange. Why not just take them next door to the fire station in the first place, if there was an emergency?
There are google earth images in this video, showing the location of his home to the fire station and to the Sandy Hook school.
There are google earth images in this video, showing the location of his home to the fire station and to the Sandy Hook school.
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I would say you cannot call this DEBUNKED unless you were there! WTF laughs and tells jokes after your 1st grader gets killed? I remember the torment my sister was in when her baby died of SIDS...these people spent more time with their children..Robbie Parker was on the news the next day..NO TEARS! And yes, I saw it ON THE NEWS ON MY OWN TV, NO MADE UP VIDEOS, and I thought it was fishy THEN! You don't just look sad when when of your children are shot, the very next day..
Did you sister consent to a TV interview the next day?
If not, then how do you know how she'd appear on TV.
And consider, the people who agree to go on TV (only SOME of the parents did) are not the same as the people who stay at home wracked with grief.
Not everyone is the same.
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Joe
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Glenn Beck and Sandy Hook stories http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...y-hook-shooting-share-their-poignant-stories/
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Here is a video of the so called grieving father. I don't lnow what really happened but there a lot of unanswerd questions that need answers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=urrRcgB581w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=urrRcgB581w
Answers are begin given, you are just ignoring them.
Cairenn
Senior Member.
I don't understand your demand to see dead bodies. That seems sick to me. Did we seen Kennedy's body after he was shot? of of Princess Diana? Maybe the astronauts on Challenger and Columbia didn't die, since their bodies were never shown.
I will be honest, if I lost a family member in a tragedy and if some a**fedora tried to take a picture of them in their casket, I would deck them in a sec and I would do my best to make that their camera never took another picture.
I will be honest, if I lost a family member in a tragedy and if some a**fedora tried to take a picture of them in their casket, I would deck them in a sec and I would do my best to make that their camera never took another picture.
hemi
Senior Member.
A terrible tragedy that just happened here in New Zealand: a guy swimming in the sea got killed by what would appear to be a great white shark.
Some witnesses to the event and aftermath (police trying to shoot the shark) were interviewed shortly after.
The tourists interviewed, to a person, conducted the interviews with wide smiles and the occasional laugh -- this after a man has been eaten alive by a shark.
Actors? Or just reacting in their own idiosyncratic ways to a tragic situation?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10868127
Some witnesses to the event and aftermath (police trying to shoot the shark) were interviewed shortly after.
The tourists interviewed, to a person, conducted the interviews with wide smiles and the occasional laugh -- this after a man has been eaten alive by a shark.
Actors? Or just reacting in their own idiosyncratic ways to a tragic situation?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10868127
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aside from there being no tears.
why is Emilie and robbie parker the only family we REALLY hear about. id like to see the other 19 parents and the families of the 6 ADULTS to come out and speak up. America needs real answers, not photo shopped pictures and conspiracies.
why does any other mass school shooting have security footage and not afraid to show it?
at least the footage of ADAM LANZA walking into the Locked school with his gun"s".
at least the 600 people being escorted out
AT LEAST ONE news team who made it in time to see REAL survivors outside the school.
for 600 CHILDREN to evacuate and have a safe ride home would AT LEAST take 30 mins. plenty of time for a news team helicopter.
no conspiracy just LOGICAL QUESTIONS also called common sense.
something isnt right about these poor families tragedies and i would be outraged if i were any of them.
David Fraser
Senior Member.
I am still a little shocked at some of the lack of understanding of grief and coping. Freud described laughter as a coping mechanism mechanisms a I think Nietzshe mentioned it as some existential bollocks about our reaction to loneliness and mortality. However our Western view of grief seems to remove laughter out of the equation even professionals can be parishes for mentioning it as in this article;
http://www.tc.columbia.edu/news.htm?articleId=2933
From a personal aspect I joined the army at 16 and served in the 80's and 90's in most theatres the British where. The thing I learned about grief is that there is no constant. To coin a phrase "I've seen it, done it, got the t-shirt", yet if asked want to do about grief the only answer I have is "Don't ask me, do what suits you". We all have our own way and path but as I mentioned we gave a cultural expectation of people in grief and God help you if you don't fit that model.
http://www.tc.columbia.edu/news.htm?articleId=2933
From a personal aspect I joined the army at 16 and served in the 80's and 90's in most theatres the British where. The thing I learned about grief is that there is no constant. To coin a phrase "I've seen it, done it, got the t-shirt", yet if asked want to do about grief the only answer I have is "Don't ask me, do what suits you". We all have our own way and path but as I mentioned we gave a cultural expectation of people in grief and God help you if you don't fit that model.
jvnk08
Senior Member.
You have pretty selective vision, apparently.
Er, there is plenty of information about the other victims and their families.Unregistered said:
Please point out a single other school shooting where the security footage was released on purpose by authorities. From what I understand, the Columbine footage was released for documentaries years later, and the crime scene photos were leaked.Unregistered said:
It's been less than 3 months. Be patient.Unregistered said:
Actually, there were only 465 students enrolled at the time.Unregistered said:
The press were kept back. There is plenty of footage of kids leaving with their families.unregistered said:
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That sounds like an pretty big assumption. Also, those seem like some questions that you have neglected to research yourself...?
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A terrible tragedy that just happened here in New Zealand: a guy swimming in the sea got killed by what would appear to be a great white shark.
Some witnesses to the event and aftermath (police trying to shoot the shark) were interviewed shortly after.
The tourists interviewed, to a person, conducted the interviews with wide smiles and the occasional laugh -- this after a man has been eaten alive by a shark.
Actors? Or just reacting in their own idiosyncratic ways to a tragic situation?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10868127
Those people were clearly in cahoots with the shark.
Melbury's Brick
Senior Member.
Re. Tears. here's a link... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3id88P6xlUk ...to a video where the uploader is making a comparison to the Brazil school shooting (the reality of which is not disputed, presumably because it didn't happen in the USA). From a couple of minutes in, you see video of distraught people...can you see any tears? Not one...Conspiracy? In addition we see the gunman in the hallway and children running, but not in the same shot, and we see no one actually being shot...Conspiracy? We see an ambulance "blocked in"...Conspiracy? We see a little girl covered in blood but sitting calmly, surely she should be writhing about...Conspiracy?
You can pick these holes in any major event as it happens if that's your agenda. BTW 600 kids? Closer to 450 is the number I've seen. One of us is mistaken or in conspiracyspeak....lying.
(Apologies if this appears more than once, I'm a newbie!)
You can pick these holes in any major event as it happens if that's your agenda. BTW 600 kids? Closer to 450 is the number I've seen. One of us is mistaken or in conspiracyspeak....lying.
(Apologies if this appears more than once, I'm a newbie!)
hiper
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We have Birthers and we have 9/11 Truthers, what do we call the people who promote Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theories?
Hint: It isn't a compliment to some hard working girls.
Only in a world where the government's dictat rules supreme can a genuine quest for truth be molded into the derogatory term truther.
You are blind and you don't know it.
Why is "truther" derogatory? It's not an inherently derogatory term, it's simply the abbreviation used for "member of the 9/11 truth movement". It only seems derogatory now because the 9/11 truth movement has been so thoroughly debunked.
hiper
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Thoroughly debunked?
Why people place so much trust into the government's explanation is totally beyond me... they place blind trust in a bunch of professional liars.
I have often said that instead of giving trillions and trillions to the banks (which in itself should raise a gigantic red flag regarding the politicians true affiliation)
they should have taken a few billion and rebuild the WTC towers on some test range and fly 2 or more identical jets into them and see what would happen.
That would be money well spent.
The towers were designed to take the impact of at least 1 707. There is no reason for even 1 of the towers to disintegrate like it did.
The fact that they both did is another red flag. These were giant steel structures.
And to top it off we have WTC 7 which wasn't even hit by a plane.
There were government 'exercises' on the same day...
The pentagon lawn was in pristine condition which is simply unreconcilable with a boeing crash.
Why don't they release the real video of the pentagon being hit by a plane? why the secrecy.
The insider trading on some airlines...
And you sir say thoroughly debunked?
All of these are discussed in separate threads. Please go there to discuss issues which you don't agree with. Gish gallups waste thread space.
No. They never tell jokes or laugh, not even a smile. That's a taboo. Unless they are crazy, retarded or insane. Not where I come from, but perhaps in USA it is ok to joke at funerals?
JRBids
Senior Member.
No we all look very glum, smear ashes on ourselves, and beat our backs with chains. /sarcasm off
A funny thing happened at my husband's Aunt Honey's funeral. First of all the priest kept calling her "Helen" (which was her real name), prompting many of us to peek over at each other and giggle. I honestly wondered who he was talking about for a few minutes, as I didn't know her name. My husband and his brothers remember her as being scary and mean. In fact she moved thousands of miles away, and they never spoke to her except for Christmas morning, when she would invariably call my house at 4 AM and ask for Bobby Bruce, which is what she called my husband as a kid. The high point was when the priest asked if anyone would like to come up and tell an "amusing anecdote" about Aunt Helen, which prompted my brother in law to run out of the room so that he would not "LOL".
OK, that wasn't a good example. I was just at my friend's mom's funeral. SHe died at 90. THere was a lot of laughing and smiling. She was a funny lady and we all loved her.
How SCARY and MEAN was the little girl, who died I believe at 9 (not at 90), the third daughter of the insane american man who was joking, smiling and laughing that so many I've seen call him an actor? OK, then, let's tell jokes and anecdotes about mean and supposedly scary little dead girls, who made all this mess in the first place.
What you, Ma'am, JRBids, just wrote, is so bizarre, perhaps I'm unfamiliar with "American Culture" but I am very glad my kids very soon will be living in another, SAFE country. And no, that country is not called heaven.
You don't have to look sad or shed a tear at a funeral, but smiling or laughing at a funeral, should I say, only in America? I mean, the USA. Unless the deceased had enemies and was a bad criminal, a pervert etc. Even then, respect is shown for the dead body.
The little girl's father, if not an actor, is a freak.
What you, Ma'am, JRBids, just wrote, is so bizarre, perhaps I'm unfamiliar with "American Culture" but I am very glad my kids very soon will be living in another, SAFE country. And no, that country is not called heaven.
You don't have to look sad or shed a tear at a funeral, but smiling or laughing at a funeral, should I say, only in America? I mean, the USA. Unless the deceased had enemies and was a bad criminal, a pervert etc. Even then, respect is shown for the dead body.
The little girl's father, if not an actor, is a freak.
JRBids
Senior Member.
When people remember their loved ones, especially the ones who weren't scary and mean, they frequently remember things they did and laugh. The little girl's father was being a human being. Anyone who thinks he's an actor, or anyone else was an actor in the Sandy Hook tragedy, is [...]
Cairenn
Senior Member.
It might help you to remember that most Americans are Christians and they feel they will see their loved ones again. Maybe that is the difference in what you know.
An actor would have STAYED in character, they would have sobbed and sobbed.
As I said earlier, I hope that folks will remember the neat things I did, the folks I helped and such and not wallow in sorrow and misery.
I have lost both of my parents, one of them late on Christmas Eve. I went to a small party on Christmas afternoon. I wanted share good memories of her with my friends. She behind a lot of good things, those are what was important
An actor would have STAYED in character, they would have sobbed and sobbed.
As I said earlier, I hope that folks will remember the neat things I did, the folks I helped and such and not wallow in sorrow and misery.
I have lost both of my parents, one of them late on Christmas Eve. I went to a small party on Christmas afternoon. I wanted share good memories of her with my friends. She behind a lot of good things, those are what was important
Cairenn
Senior Member.
It might help you to remember that most Americans are Christians and they feel they will see their loved ones again. Maybe that is the difference in what you know.
An actor would have STAYED in character, they would have sobbed and sobbed.
As I said earlier, I hope that folks will remember the neat things I did, the folks I helped and such and not wallow in sorrow and misery.
I have lost both of my parents, one of them late on Christmas Eve. I went to a small party on Christmas afternoon. I wanted share good memories of her with my friends. She behind a lot of good things, those are what was important
An actor would have STAYED in character, they would have sobbed and sobbed.
As I said earlier, I hope that folks will remember the neat things I did, the folks I helped and such and not wallow in sorrow and misery.
I have lost both of my parents, one of them late on Christmas Eve. I went to a small party on Christmas afternoon. I wanted share good memories of her with my friends. She behind a lot of good things, those are what was important
JRBids
Senior Member.
I agree, Cairenn, they werepretty bad actors, it seemed none of them were able to stay in character.
Besides, I don't know what "funeral" Chemx is referring to. I don't remember seeing any photos of Sandy Hook funerals except, I think, Noah Posner's. Perhaps Chemx can tell us what funerals he saw with laughing parents.
Again, here we have a case of someone who believes in chemtrails and also buys into other conspiracy theories. THAT is very much staying in character.
Besides, I don't know what "funeral" Chemx is referring to. I don't remember seeing any photos of Sandy Hook funerals except, I think, Noah Posner's. Perhaps Chemx can tell us what funerals he saw with laughing parents.
Again, here we have a case of someone who believes in chemtrails and also buys into other conspiracy theories. THAT is very much staying in character.
Melbury's Brick
Senior Member.
This really has been debunked over and over again. I have, unfortunately, been to many funerals of people of all ages, relatives, friends, and acquaintances, not to mention providing music for such occasions numerous times....I have never been to ONE where there was no smiling or laughing whatsoever, in fact, it's an important part of getting through the day. Furthermore, most people who are about to deliver a eulogy will "steel" themselves first in order to deliberately avoid breaking down.
David Fraser
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This will fall foul of the politeness policy, but you Sir are an [...]
Tobes
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If, God forbid, you lost a child under tragic circumstances, would you welcome the same level of scrutiny you're giving the Sandy Hook victims' families? How would you feel if your every word, gesture, facial expression and mannerism were picked apart by total strangers who are looking for what they believe are telltale signs of fakery?
Are you confident that your behavior would hold up to the kind of scrutiny you're giving these people?
Because quite frankly, I very strongly believe they're not fair game.
ColtCabana
Senior Member
I know this isn't about the Boston Marathon, but if there's one thing that the event taught me about life, it is that you truly don't know how you'll react or present yourself in a very stressful situation until you've actually been through it. Unless you've personally lost a child, you really can't understand or rationalize someone else's reaction. Dictating how someone else should react in a given circumstance is arrogance at its finest. Do any of you know for an absolute fact that no parent spent their nights crying their eyes out in the privacy of their own bedroom in the days immediately following the lose of their child?
Mark Barrington
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My Brother's daughter died at the age of 17 after a long battle with cancer. It was especially difficult to take because the cancer had gone into remission but she died due to complications from the bone marrow transplant after successful chemotherapy. I can tell you that the reactions ran the gamut from crying and physically breaking down to laughing and joking, often by the same person and often all of these reactions in a short amount of time. Nobody present at the time thought any of this was weird. I don't know how people who see video of an event from afar can judge the emotional reactions of others to be fake. It seems like they either have never had a similar experience, or they're just not very knowledgeable about humans and how they react to tragic situations.
Bruno D.
Senior Member.
I can't say how much I'm disgusted by any and all CTs that state that victims are actors or non-existent. It's so outrageous, so paranoid, so lunatic, so disrespectful that I literally feels sick every time.
9/11, Sandhook, Boston ... How can one say that no one died, that no one got hurt?
The mentally ill who states that than says that how can he never again hear about the family of the victims .... OF COURSE YOU DON'T - they are hiding from you, you mo..f..er . If they ever show their faces, you and the likes of you will predate them!!
Stop harassing them!
9/11, Sandhook, Boston ... How can one say that no one died, that no one got hurt?
The mentally ill who states that than says that how can he never again hear about the family of the victims .... OF COURSE YOU DON'T - they are hiding from you, you mo..f..er . If they ever show their faces, you and the likes of you will predate them!!
Stop harassing them!
Tobes
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two questions:
1). Is it even ethical to analyze the way the victims' relatives acted to look for tell-tale signs of fakery? Out of respect for them, I'd say no. I think these people, regardless of whether or not these choose to put themselves in the public spotlight, deserve our respect.
2). Is "People experience and display grief differently" a strong or persuasive argument? If not, why?
1). Is it even ethical to analyze the way the victims' relatives acted to look for tell-tale signs of fakery? Out of respect for them, I'd say no. I think these people, regardless of whether or not these choose to put themselves in the public spotlight, deserve our respect.
2). Is "People experience and display grief differently" a strong or persuasive argument? If not, why?
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