Pete Tar
Senior Member.
Thanks! Yes, sorry I didn't specify, but your questions are certainly more rational ones that aren't seeking a pre-determined conspiracy narrative, and there's no reason to not initially ask them.
But there's not much constructive that can be done at this point, other than logging 'things that need to be resolved', and being patient. Hopefully a list of (reasonable) questions will be noted by the press and the investigators, and when the final report is done they will be thorough in addressing them all.
I do think the lack of addressing information has been very unfortunate in allowing the suspicion and mistrust to reach some disturbing levels of callousness by some extremists, and it can be contagious regardless of its truth merit. I think the amount of nasty cynicism around this event was honestly something the police never expected in the first place, and this has taken them off guard, otherwise perhaps they would have been more deliberate in their statements. But they can still fix this and hopefully will.
I also think there is a lack of understanding of the realities of a criminal investigation by the general population who expect everything to be open to them straight away, and this is leading to a lot of gun-jumping. Some things will need to be covered up at first as that is the nature of a criminal investigation, and people often jump to conclusions with statements like "Police are questioning soandso in connection with the massacre" when that connection could be relatively benign yet still informative to the investigation.
I think Gene Rosen is obviously very affected by the whole incident- who wouldn't be? - and this has led to a certain over-emotionality that has been used against him by some really horrible people, unjustly. I think he is possibly in a bit of shock about it all, even though he was just a bystander, and an event like this happening so near to anyone would blow their minds for a while. And he may even be 'enjoying' the attention in a completely non-sinister way, and finding himself with this amount of attention has made him very talkative, at first. I think he regrets it now, with the amount of hatred he's getting from a portion of the lovely American public.
To say his interview statements about a highly traumatic and exciting event have to conform to court-level evidence is just unrealistic.
The version of events his brain has locked into place may not even be the right one, but that's just human. When you retell something you re-order things to make them tidier, you may embellish to give a greater sense of the emotional impact of the time, while not particularly having a forensic telling of events as your first priority.
His story is purely emotional, and has value on that level, but shouldn't be held to a high information standard.
In general, it is amazing how much information errors are being repeated as proof of something nefarious. It seems hard to be that misinformed unless people are only looking at highly selective information that ignores other acounts and corrections of mistakes. Their 'investigation' is purely agenda driven and all relies on repeating the very earliest chaotic reports as fact.
You are unfortunately going to get a lot of people's general disgust with this subject if you are seen to be needlessly questioning every discrepancy (and I guess the definition of 'needlessly' is a subjective thing). Of course there is a huge story to be revealed here, but we can only wait really. We of course shouldn't blindly accept the story that is revealed, but we can use a balanced judgement to decide if it is a reasonable reality. And we should also trust that they are doing their job to actually uncover the true sequence of events, unless we have reasonable evidence to doubt that is what they are doing and are trying to cover up something or protect the 'real' perpetrator.
Some people already have made up their minds that they will under no circumstances believe the final report, because the already know as fact what really happened, but of course that's just a huge bias to blind them to reality.
Just some thoughts and ranting - I did burn out on this subject in the weeks after it happened through my disgust at people's lack of humanity, not sure I can be bothered delving back into it too much. Though I guess I still have a fascinated horror for it.
But there's not much constructive that can be done at this point, other than logging 'things that need to be resolved', and being patient. Hopefully a list of (reasonable) questions will be noted by the press and the investigators, and when the final report is done they will be thorough in addressing them all.
I do think the lack of addressing information has been very unfortunate in allowing the suspicion and mistrust to reach some disturbing levels of callousness by some extremists, and it can be contagious regardless of its truth merit. I think the amount of nasty cynicism around this event was honestly something the police never expected in the first place, and this has taken them off guard, otherwise perhaps they would have been more deliberate in their statements. But they can still fix this and hopefully will.
I also think there is a lack of understanding of the realities of a criminal investigation by the general population who expect everything to be open to them straight away, and this is leading to a lot of gun-jumping. Some things will need to be covered up at first as that is the nature of a criminal investigation, and people often jump to conclusions with statements like "Police are questioning soandso in connection with the massacre" when that connection could be relatively benign yet still informative to the investigation.
I think Gene Rosen is obviously very affected by the whole incident- who wouldn't be? - and this has led to a certain over-emotionality that has been used against him by some really horrible people, unjustly. I think he is possibly in a bit of shock about it all, even though he was just a bystander, and an event like this happening so near to anyone would blow their minds for a while. And he may even be 'enjoying' the attention in a completely non-sinister way, and finding himself with this amount of attention has made him very talkative, at first. I think he regrets it now, with the amount of hatred he's getting from a portion of the lovely American public.
To say his interview statements about a highly traumatic and exciting event have to conform to court-level evidence is just unrealistic.
The version of events his brain has locked into place may not even be the right one, but that's just human. When you retell something you re-order things to make them tidier, you may embellish to give a greater sense of the emotional impact of the time, while not particularly having a forensic telling of events as your first priority.
His story is purely emotional, and has value on that level, but shouldn't be held to a high information standard.
In general, it is amazing how much information errors are being repeated as proof of something nefarious. It seems hard to be that misinformed unless people are only looking at highly selective information that ignores other acounts and corrections of mistakes. Their 'investigation' is purely agenda driven and all relies on repeating the very earliest chaotic reports as fact.
You are unfortunately going to get a lot of people's general disgust with this subject if you are seen to be needlessly questioning every discrepancy (and I guess the definition of 'needlessly' is a subjective thing). Of course there is a huge story to be revealed here, but we can only wait really. We of course shouldn't blindly accept the story that is revealed, but we can use a balanced judgement to decide if it is a reasonable reality. And we should also trust that they are doing their job to actually uncover the true sequence of events, unless we have reasonable evidence to doubt that is what they are doing and are trying to cover up something or protect the 'real' perpetrator.
Some people already have made up their minds that they will under no circumstances believe the final report, because the already know as fact what really happened, but of course that's just a huge bias to blind them to reality.
Just some thoughts and ranting - I did burn out on this subject in the weeks after it happened through my disgust at people's lack of humanity, not sure I can be bothered delving back into it too much. Though I guess I still have a fascinated horror for it.