Debunked: Executive Order 13575 - Establishment of the White House Rural Council

Mick West

Administrator
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On June 9th, 2011, President Obama signed executive order 13575 for the Establishment of the White House Rural Council.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/DCPD-201100431/pdf/DCPD-201100431.pdf

This immediately caught the attention of conspiracy theorists, who portrayed it as a "land grab" - somehow the council was supposed to take land away from rural farmers as part of a UN program galled "Agenda 21". Some versions of this theory were quite extreme:


http://www.infowars.com/executive-o...ural-and-agricultural-lands-for-un-agenda-21/
This council can be viewed as nothing less than the establishment of a domestic terrorism group which will orchestrate the coming assault on private agricultural property owners in an effort to force them off their land and out of production. There was an effort during the Reagan presidency to launch a similar assault on individual owners of agricultural land which would have displaced more than 2 million people, handing their land over to others who were more amenable to the government and UN control.
It's not entirely clear where they get this idea. The actual executive order gives the council no powers, it's basically just a bringing together of 24 different departments so they can focus on an area of common interest. It changes no laws, and the council appears to have no powers other than to get people talking to each other.

What seems to be suspicious to the conspiracy theorists is the large number of different government departments on the council - and this is portrayed as somehow creating a huge expensive government bureaucracy.

http://americanpolicy.org/executive-order-13575/

The Obama Administration has issued an Executive Order that creates massive top-down control of our nation’s rural areas.

It will create a massive bureaucracy overseen by 25 Cabinet Secretaries who will be joined by a hoard of non-governmental organizations (NGOs) self-proclaimed “stakeholders,” and other special interest who stand to gain power and wealth.
http://ppjg.wordpress.com/2011/07/1...ural-and-agricultural-lands-for-un-agenda-21/

This really just demonstrates a misunderstanding of what White House Councils are for. This is best illustrated by comparing it to another council, the White House Council on Women and Girls. Here are the two relevant press releases, with the text of the executive orders.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...order-establishment-white-house-rural-council
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...-creating-white-house-council-women-and-girls

Note that they use the same boilerplate text. Both were created by executive order. They both have the same list of 25 government departments. They both have the same basic mission (coordinating departments), and the same general provisions, which essentially say the council has no authority over existing departments.

The truth is that these councils are nothing special. There's plenty of them, and all with the same long list of members, because it's basically a mechanism to coordinate policy effectively across all departments. Something you'd think people would want, right?

Here's another:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...se-council-automotive-communities-and-workers

The problem here is that people are comparing the Rural Council to something like the Council of Economic Advisors, or even the National Security Council, instead of what it more closely resembles in terms of actual power: The Council on Women and Girls.
 
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Unregistered

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Thank you for exhibiting a voice of reason. It is a rare quality these days.
 
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Bite Back

Guest
I don't know what this "council" will end up doing. But what's suspicious is that The Constitution gives the Federal Government absolutely no authority to even have an interest in what must correctly be called local and state government responsibilities, much less the power to interfere with those responsibilities. And no one creates any "council" with the intent that it does nothing. So I suggest that you take another guess as to whether this is innocuous or not.

As for other such councils, they have the same constitutional standing as this one. That is, no constitutional authority for existing at all.
 
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Ammon Ammon

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I suppose your observation might be valid if we lived under a federal government with the purest intentions and our common good always in mind. I don't personally call simple, "looking on the bright side of things" as debunking a potential conspiracy.

You use the Woman and Girls council, but can you think of any other EO created entities that are not so innocuous? How about Bushes EO that established Cheney's Happy Oil Task Force? All EO stablished entities can't just be written off because some are innocent and/or mundane.

If you want to really debunk something you'll need a little more depth than this. I see more evidence that supports the conspiracies than you present to make them merely theories. Consider Monsonto's efforts to control food supply, the UN's published plans for global unity, the removal of American rights to privacy and freedom the last ten years. The evidence is stacking up and one comparison to the Woman and Girls council is not enought to appease me or other people who think for themselves.
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
AA, the intent was not to debunk EVERY conspiracy theory - just to point out that there's no evidence that THIS PARTICULAR council is anything out of the ordinary.
 

solrey

Senior Member.
Consider Monsonto's efforts to control food supply...
I'm no fan of Monsanto, however the reality is they only account for ~ 25% of all seed sales but do not have a stake in the harvest. There are plenty of options for farmers on the seed market, from traditional hybrids to GMO, supplied by a variety of companies. Nobody is forcing farmers to purchase Monsanto seed.

...the UN's published plans for global unity,
Global unity? Perish the thought.

Seriously though, what kind of person believes global unity is a bad thing?

...the removal of American rights to privacy and freedom the last ten years.
Just in the last ten years? I suggest you study some history, it's been happening off and on for over 200 years. Consider the victims of Kent State or the Anaconda Road Massacre.
 
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Ammon AmmonUnregistered

Guest
AA, the intent was not to debunk EVERY conspiracy theory - just to point out that there's no evidence that THIS PARTICULAR council is anything out of the ordinary.
No, but it seems you use one mundane council of women and girls to show that EO13575 is just another fine and dandy meeting that benefits us all.

Mick, I just din't buy in that easy. There are too many other examples of EOs that worked against us to see that you've debunked his on so easily.
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
No, but it seems you use one mundane council of women and girls to show that EO13575 is just another fine and dandy meeting that benefits us all.

Mick, I just din't buy in that easy. There are too many other examples of EOs that worked against us to see that you've debunked his on so easily.
I also used the "White House Council on Automotive Communities and Workers." as another similar example.

Maybe there are bad things elsewhere - it does not automatically mean there are bad things here.
 
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Ammon Ammon

Guest
Sorely, with a 25% stake and with DuPont and Syngenta working similar angles if you don't see corporations perusing a "food control agenda" that's your gullibility, enjoy the ride.

I personally like the freedom enjoyed in America. If you prefer a more "controlled walk through life" and getting your strings pulled then again, that's your prerogative. The creation of one government, married to multinational corporations, and a global population of lower class citizens ruled by elites is more of a prison than a life IMO.

The suggestion to study more history is duly noted, but your condescending attempt to make me look uninformed is laughable. If you have not noticed a SHARP rise in our lost of liberties the last ten years then again ... Enjoy the ride, your insistence of living life with closed eyes is again, your choice.
 
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Ammon Ammon

Guest
Interesting development Mick, I think I am seeing a pattern here.

I, based on past disappointments, constantly question and sometimes doubt the sincerity of the US government. Their true intentions and agenda often a real mystery to me due to the closed door methods used by many councils and institutions that we should be trusting without question (sort of like you do)

You on the other hand maybe do not share my experience. You have not been disappointed to the point of doubting the governments intentions. You don't have a problem with the incestuous relationship of banks, multinational corps and the government. Wars benefiting largely big oil, arm manufacturers, and drug smugglers that bleed the people of their taxes AND actual blood is also just business as usual for you?

Everyone is different, and as much as a mystery people like you and others set on "debunking" instead of questioning things are I just need to move along, some people just aren't interested in broadening their scope of things.
 

MikeC

Closed Account
Indeed - and more to the point are htere any examples of this council ACTUALLY doing anything bad? Or anything bad in its actual creation?


all these agencies already have an interest in rural affairs, so the idea that this is something new by the Feds seems silly - the purpose seems to be to get all tehse agencies together to improve teh efficiency ofwhat they do - to reduce double ups, to spot synergies, to reduce hassle - why aren't people who don't like Gov't shouting that this should be a good thing and keeping it to the grindstone tomake sure that the potential for benefit is actually delivered?
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
I, based on past disappointments, constantly question and sometimes doubt the sincerity of the US government. Their true intentions and agenda often a real mystery to me due to the closed door methods used by many councils and institutions that we should be trusting without question (sort of like you do)

You on the other hand maybe do not share my experience. You have not been disappointed to the point of doubting the governments intentions. You don't have a problem with the incestuous relationship of banks, multinational corps and the government. Wars benefiting largely big oil, arm manufacturers, and drug smugglers that bleed the people of their taxes AND actual blood is also just business as usual for you?.
Well, I DO actually have a problem with those things.

I just don't see this particular EO as evidence of anything in particular. A lot of the function of government is simply moving things along, keeping them working, and very low level lobbying/corruption. Nothing really serious. So I don't look at EVERY little thing they do as being evil. Just some things.
 

muttkat

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Banned
d) identify and facilitate rural economic opportunities associated with energy
development, outdoor recreation, and other conservation related activities.

This is the UN's, federal govt's butting in how rural people are suppose to live & eventually get them out of the rural areas into Smart Growth areas. You have to be familiar with the Agenda 21, sustainable development buzzwards. They have become established in my county. This hasn't been debunked by no means.
 

muttkat

Banned
Banned
The problem with these councils is that they are not elected but yet can control city policy through a foreign entity in which Obama promotes. What can you expect from a Marxist foreigner?
 

MikeC

Closed Account
d) identify and facilitate rural economic opportunities associated with energy
development, outdoor recreation, and other conservation related activities.

This is the UN's, federal govt's butting in how rural people are suppose to live & eventually get them out of the rural areas into Smart Growth areas. You have to be familiar with the Agenda 21, sustainable development buzzwards. They have become established in my county. This hasn't been debunked by no means.
You think that ther should not be any effort at "conservation"?? Do you think "outdoor recreation" is not something the fed's should be helping to ensure is developed?? You think that the feds should not have any interst in energy development in rural America??

the EO does not mention sustainable development in the first place, and discussion of what is wrong with the concept of sustainable development probably belongs in another thread.

Of course that section is 1 of 4 that constitute the mission of the council:

I am curious why you are opposed to the Fed trying to co-ordinate its activies to increase economic prosperity and opportunities, get better engagement between teh Federal aparatus in it many forms and local activities in their many forms and the like.

Why are you so anti-rural America????

I note that ther is nothing at all in the EO that allows the council to "control city policy" either.

I guess what you can expect from a marxist foreigner is probably something other than what you can expect from a POTUS who is right of centre and born in the USA like you got.

Sorry about that - the idea that Obama is communist or marxist is laughable to anyone who knows what those actually mean!
 

Joe

Senior Member
Notice of Important Meeting on Agenda 21
Protect our private property rights without the interference of an unelected regional governmental entity. The Southeast Florida Propsperity Partnership has recieved a federal grant to create a 50 year regional plan which is going by the name of Seven50, Southeast Florida's Prosperity Plan. There is a Public work groups session for Seven50 being held at the Indian River County Commision Chambers on October 25 from 8:30 am to 12:30 pm that should be opposed by all who love liberty and prosperity. The $4,250,000.00 funding for Seven50, Southeast Florida's Prosperity Plan, is coming from a grant from the Department of Housing and Urban Development Sustainable Communities Regional Planning grant, which is part of President Obama's Partnership for Sustainable Communities. Although Agenda 21 is not mentioned in the President's Partnership for Sustainable Communities, it's goals align with the goals of Agenda 21.
 

Joe

Senior Member
I would agree with you except like all bureaucrats and non elected officials many just developers lining their pockets its always all about money and control . I watched a example of a sustainable city or what they call the new urbanism .It is all about control from cradle to grave , If i wanted to live in a sustainbale city Id move back to New York city . No thanks I enjoy my sprawl and property rights . If you want to live under the rules of the UN like sheep go right ahead .
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
This New Urbanism sounds great:

http://www.eng.mcmaster.ca/civil/sustain/designparam/checklist.htm

I love riding my bike around, and being able to walk places. I dislike suburbia where you have to drive everywhere. But I think market forces are what is ultimately driving the shift. We get bike lanes added here because so many people ride bikes. We get a light rail because the freeways are clogged. We got the clean air act because the air was toxic.
 

Trigger Hippie

Senior Member.

MikeC

Closed Account
What is your point?? that "Freedomadvocates" can scare up a bit of emotive "reporting"?? That in Florida some property owners don't like being told to keep the everglades?

And because of that development should not be sustainable or should not happen??

Have you actually read any of Agenda 21??
 

muttkat

Banned
Banned
I'm no fan of Monsanto, however the reality is they only account for ~ 25% of all seed sales but do not have a stake in the harvest. There are plenty of options for farmers on the seed market, from traditional hybrids to GMO, supplied by a variety of companies. Nobody is forcing farmers to purchase Monsanto seed.



Global unity? Perish the thought.

Seriously though, what kind of person believes global unity is a bad thing?



Just in the last ten years? I suggest you study some history, it's been happening off and on for over 200 years. Consider the victims of Kent State or the Anaconda Road Massacre.
Yes in the last 10 years since 911 starting with the Un-Patriot Act.

Whats Kent State & the Anaconda Road Massacre got to do with global unity?

You may not purchase their seed but if your crops get contaminated by Monsantos they'll take you to court.

http://www.organicconsumers.org/monsanto/
 

muttkat

Banned
Banned
Interesting development Mick, I think I am seeing a pattern here.

I, based on past disappointments, constantly question and sometimes doubt the sincerity of the US government. Their true intentions and agenda often a real mystery to me due to the closed door methods used by many councils and institutions that we should be trusting without question (sort of like you do)

You on the other hand maybe do not share my experience. You have not been disappointed to the point of doubting the governments intentions. You don't have a problem with the incestuous relationship of banks, multinational corps and the government. Wars benefiting largely big oil, arm manufacturers, and drug smugglers that bleed the people of their taxes AND actual blood is also just business as usual for you?

Everyone is different, and as much as a mystery people like you and others set on "debunking" instead of questioning things are I just need to move along, some people just aren't interested in broadening their scope of things.
Good comments Ammon.
 

MikeC

Closed Account
You may not purchase their seed but if your crops get contaminated by Monsantos they'll take you to court.

http://www.organicconsumers.org/monsanto/
I see nothing on that page supporting that contention.

And AFAIK it is quite false. The farmer concerned was growing a crop that was over 95% "Roundup ready" plants - that is not accidental contamination!!

The Canadian courts agreed that DELIBERATELY using seed that had accidentally contaminated your crop is indeed a patent violation.
 

muttkat

Banned
Banned
You think that ther should not be any effort at "conservation"?? Do you think "outdoor recreation" is not something the fed's should be helping to ensure is developed?? You think that the feds should not have any interst in energy development in rural America??

the EO does not mention sustainable development in the first place, and discussion of what is wrong with the concept of sustainable development probably belongs in another thread.

Of course that section is 1 of 4 that constitute the mission of the council:





I am curious why you are opposed to the Fed trying to co-ordinate its activies to increase economic prosperity and opportunities, get better engagement between teh Federal aparatus in it many forms and local activities in their many forms and the like.

Why are you so anti-rural America????

I note that ther is nothing at all in the EO that allows the council to "control city policy" either.

I guess what you can expect from a marxist foreigner is probably something other than what you can expect from a POTUS who is right of centre and born in the USA like you got.

Sorry about that - the idea that Obama is communist or marxist is laughable to anyone who knows what those actually mean!
There are plenty of conservation going on but they're going overkill on it, especially in my county. I would consider my county to be a well off county but now they're having a deficit because they're spending the property taxes to fund a UN project Aransas Pathways. The federal govt has been buying up land like crazy. I saw something the other day that the property the fed govt is suppose to legally own would be like for govt buildings, bases, not land just to buy it, but I have to look into that.

No there shouldn't be no federal interest about outside recreational activities with a council thats not elected. It should be up to the State & local govts. Besides the Constitution states the rights of the federal govt & it isn't to worry about economic prosperity in rural areas. About affecting local govt, I saw the phrase "rural stakeholders" and thats all I needed to see...UN. It doesn't have to say Sust Dev.

Against Rural? I have 5 acres in the rural. I'd like to keep it that way.

Economic prosperity? That would be tourism thru the nature trails... Housekeepers, front desk hotels clerks, groundskeepers...Rejoice.

If marxism or communism is laughable lets try Nazism where the govt wants to control every aspect of your life. He signed into law the NDAA be held indefinitly w/o trial....& the FAA's up to 30,000 drones over the skies & the govt can come get your crops, seed, farm implements if it wants to.

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaEducation.htm

About this EO 13575: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_juUVKKBw-k
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaEducation.htm
 

muttkat

Banned
Banned
What is your point?? that "Freedomadvocates" can scare up a bit of emotive "reporting"?? That in Florida some property owners don't like being told to keep the everglades?

And because of that development should not be sustainable or should not happen??

Have you actually read any of Agenda 21??
Did you read any of this article? I read Ag 21 about 3 or 4 years ago but AGAIN Ag 21 is not the only document the UN has.
Wants my point? I put down parts of the article being you didn't seem to grasp it. OK it is a group that derives from the UN's Sust Dev garbage in which is being FUNDED by TAXPAYERS. ICLEI is part of the UN's....which is not United States but United Nations. What was it that on affecting local govt? (from somebody else). You've got your local govt stating that its proud to be a model city for the UN. The UN is foreign entity, was not passed by Congress and it has no business telling you to remove your crops, quit mowing your lawn. What is happening in this story will be happening will be happening across the nation to property owners. One property owner got a document from the Army Corps of engineers & this DERM When you people were reading the nice wording of the UN Agenda 21 or any other of their documents, it doesn't quite tell you episodes like this are going to happen does it? Go to court? You shouldn't have to..over a foreign entity trying to control or take your land. They destroy lives & your chance for "Economic Opportununities wouldn't you say?

Property owners in the remaining part of 8.5 square mile area, Hialeah and South Dade in Dade County, Florida have been subjected to attacks on their private property rights by the Department of Environmental Resources Management (DERM) along withICLEI - Local Governments for Sustainability and various government officials.
ICLEI ( aka The International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives) has a commitment to "sustainable development" throughout the world which in essence results in a private property land grab veiled in WARM and FUZZY terms. ICLEI comes up with regulations and other ideas that restrict property owners from using their land.

Harvey Ruvin, Miami Dade Clerk of the Court, was Vice Chair of the Executive Committee of ICLEI, a non-elected position.... He has the power and contacts to help implement United Nations Agenda 21 policies that take people's rights away in the name of the "environment." Pam Evans says, "Miami Dade County is run by a government that is proud to be a model city for ICLEI - a United Nations program implemented through local town councils, planners, mayors...."


Property owners are understandably distrustful of government using the arm of DERM (which is FUNDED through TAXPAYERS dollars, fees, fines and grants) to potentially confiscate their property. DERM declares people's property a "wetlands" without supplying documentation of soil tests and other criteria that are stated on their website. The documents have been requested from DERM but so far DERM has never presented any.

There is NO MENTION of wetlands in deeds. One landowner has an Army Corp of Engineers document stating his land is not a wetlands but DERM chose to declare it a wetlands anyway. These people have been productive property owners for years, and are now threatened with bankruptcy through court cases, fines and intimidation.

Among the leaders of harassed and intimidated landowners, is Aida Fernandez. She, along with others, took part in a hunger strike in an effort to defend their rights as property owners. She created the website http://www.mylandgrabbyderm.com in order to get the word out and explain her mission.
Many heartbreaking stories have evolved through the tyranny of DERM. Property owners have been ordered through Cease and Desist orders by DERM to remove crops, not mow their lawns, remove all soil on their property, to cap rock and let it re-vegetate, as well as paying fines and fees.
 

muttkat

Banned
Banned
Notice of Important Meeting on Agenda 21
Protect our private property rights without the interference of an unelected regional governmental entity. The Southeast Florida Propsperity Partnership has recieved a federal grant to create a 50 year regional plan which is going by the name of Seven50, Southeast Florida's Prosperity Plan. There is a Public work groups session for Seven50 being held at the Indian River County Commision Chambers on October 25 from 8:30 am to 12:30 pm that should be opposed by all who love liberty and prosperity. The $4,250,000.00 funding for Seven50, Southeast Florida's Prosperity Plan, is coming from a grant from the Department of Housing and Urban Development Sustainable Communities Regional Planning grant, which is part of President Obama's Partnership for Sustainable Communities. Although Agenda 21 is not mentioned in the President's Partnership for Sustainable Communities, it's goals align with the goals of Agenda 21.
Yes these projects don't mention Agenda 21. I may see Sustainable Development, Smart Growth but not Agenda 21.
 

muttkat

Banned
Banned
I would agree with you except like all bureaucrats and non elected officials many just developers lining their pockets its always all about money and control . I watched a example of a sustainable city or what they call the new urbanism .It is all about control from cradle to grave , If i wanted to live in a sustainbale city Id move back to New York city . No thanks I enjoy my sprawl and property rights . If you want to live under the rules of the UN like sheep go right ahead .
This is how the Sierra Club would like us to live:

http://www.demographia.com/db-sierraclub500.htm
 

muttkat

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Banned
Its called Seven50 here . seven counties 50 years of sustainable development . they can change the name all they want if it walks like a duck it is a duck . http://seven50.org/
I noticed Dade County is in this group.

This looks like one of those stack em, pack em communities:

http://seven50.org/plan/what-is-seven50/

Where it states: "A blueprint for ensuring Economic Prosperity & the Best-Possible quality of life for SE Florida".
I guess you're not allowed to cuss on here.lol

So far I haven't seen the term Agenda 21.

I don't think you'll be reading about this on the seven50 site:

http://www.freedomadvocates.org/articles/private_property/the_florida_story_20110309431/

Heres whats going on in my county:

http://aransaspathways.com/pResults...S_Name=&S_Site_Number=&Search.x=48&Search.y=8
 

Trigger Hippie

Senior Member.
I would consider my county to be a well off county but now they're having a deficit because they're spending the property taxes to fund a UN project Aransas Pathways...

No there shouldn't be no federal interest about outside recreational activities with a council thats not elected. It should be up to the State & local govts.
So you believe improving recreational pathways is a fascist UN federal plot because the project is controlled by a non-elected committee?

The members of the Aransas Pathway Project are not elected, that much is true.

BUT...

The APP committee was assembled and serves under the authority of Aransas County Commissioners' Court. The four commissioners of the court are elected and serve along side the county judge. So, although the members of the Aransas Pathway Project steering commitee are not elected, they are given the power to oversee the project by elected county officials.

The APP project is controlled by local government.


Here's a description of the Aransas Pathway Project:
http://www.aransaspathways.com/support-aransas-pathways-rockport.php

Here's the structure and members of the court appointed steering committee:
http://www.aransaspathways.com/committee-aransas-pathways-rockport.php

Here are the elected members of the commissioners court:
http://www.aransascountytx.gov/commissioners/
 
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Mick West Debunked: Thermite Slag on WTC beams [Oxy Cutting Slag] 9/11 2
Mick West Debunked: The WTC 9/11 Angle Cut Column. [Not Thermite, Cut Later] 9/11 137
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