JeffreyNotGeoffrey
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Poe's law occasionally pops up with even the best of us. I think smilies need to just pop up automatically if you are in a good mood when you post. 
I think it best to just leave it lay as is.
but I do think it is flawed because as Mick says, people do commit suicide in prison, especially when facing such huge charges.
If Dzhokhar dies, it does not make it a conspiracy. His risk of death is high, he is probably a suicide risk. Qed, you may be committing a post hoc fallacy here, saying because a coin came up heads twice, there must be a conspiracy if it comes up heads a third time.
No I am not. You don't understand statistics.
Consider two dice, one normal, and one biased towards 6.
I pick one dice at random and throw it twice. We get six and then six again.
I bet you that if I throw six again, the dice in question is the biased one.
Would you take the bet? That is, would you bet that the dice is in fact the the normal one?
The issue is the probability of a sequence of improbable events. A sequence of unusual events is unlikely.
No I am not. You don't understand statistics.
Consider two dice, one normal, and one biased towards 6.
I pick one dice at random and throw it twice. We get six and then six again.
I bet you that if I throw six again, the dice in question is the biased one.
Would you take the bet? That is, would you bet that the dice is in fact the the normal one?
The issue is the probability of a sequence of improbable events. A sequence of unusual events is unlikely.
I disagree. It could be looked at the opposite way. There are many instances of people on remand attempting suicide only for later to be found not guilty. Similar when there have been miscarriages of justice. To profess your innocence often means you give up your chances of parole. An innocent person may be more likely to despair especially when faced with the shit conditions on remand.I have no statistics to hand or evidence upon which to base this remark, my intuition leads me to assume guilty parties are more likely to commit suicide in prison than innocent parties. An innocent party has hope and will want a chance to clear their name. Doesn't help work this one out though. It's quite paradoxical. I can tell you that my most favourite cousin was beaten by police, questioned by Special Branch, and - shall I say - suicided in a high security cell. Coroner returned a verdict of suicide but the family will always have doubts, particularly as he had cuts and bruises around the neck which were a sign of struggle. He was fighting for his life. Call it a change of mind on his own behalf, half way through the act, or call it cold blooded murder.
If the Boston suspect is thoroughly guilty I believe he'd be more likely to kill himself. If he is innocent I believe he'd be more likely to be 'suicided'. Either way the coroner will return suicide as the reason for death, and no one will ever know - that's the 'neat' and paradoxical thing about death in custody.
Sorry! Couldn't resist the quoteOff topic
And your suggestions that 1 in 10 prison deaths are FBI murders seems entirely baseless.
But your analogy assumes that there is a biased die (a conspiracy).
Different die represent different competing hypotheses. The jury will be considering at least two.
Would still like to know how you are better qualified than my buddy to assert what is blood and what is paint...
I am one of those members who tend to discount eyewitness testimony, due to its notorious unreliability.
Remember that few folks, outside of medical profession have seen real blood.
I am one of those members who tend to discount eyewitness testimony, due to its notorious unreliability.
Where did you get that the trial starts today?Right so the trial is due to start today. Have any moves been made yet by the military to claim jurisdiction? TPTB only have a few months to kill him now. Oh the tension is killing me ;-)
Well it's a case conference with the judge. Here that would be the start of the trial. Last opportunity (if any was there) for TPTB to step inWhere did you get that the trial starts today?
Yes but unless they were part of the medical profession, would they be able to actually be sure it was blood, i.e. was it 'official'?Surely anyone who has ever been cut has seen real blood?
Yes but unless they were part of the medical profession, would they be able to actually be sure it was blood, i.e. was it 'official'?
I was only replying in the context of Cairenns post that "few folks, outside of medical profession have seen real blood." I am not suggesting it was fake blood at Boston, merely noting the extremes that some go to to impugn evidence from witnesses who do not tow the official line... but I only say that in general terms and not in relation to Boston as I am not aware of any actual witnesses who said it was fake blood.You are comparing apples and oranges here. No one on the conspiracy side has addressed my friend who says it was real blood. He helped victims and saw them running into the hospital, including one that has been featured in a lot of photos that are scrutinized by the conspiracy theorists has "fake." What's the excuse from the conspiracy theorists here?
I was only replying in the context of Cairenns post that "few folks, outside of medical profession have seen real blood." I am not suggesting it was fake blood at Boston, merely noting the extremes that some go to to impugn evidence from witnesses who do not tow the official line... but I only say that in general terms and not in relation to Boston as I am not aware of any actual witnesses who said it was fake blood.
Have you put your tail between your legs and run off? Still waiting for your response to the quote from my friend.
Everyone is (probably) going to get the opportunity to humiliate me in the near future. Remember that I said that if this trial runs to completion and a guilty verdict if found, I will not accept the claim that there was a conspiracy in Boston. For me, and many others I hope, the conspiracy theory will be debunked.
I have found a way by which we can avoid debating the issue for now. As Mike has pointed out, even discussing it is libelous. So lets not for now. This is what respected members have advised me.
You, unlike the rest of us, know 100% that I am wrong. So you know you will be getting a shot at me. Just be patient.
Perhaps you should take your own advice about looking and leaping. The OP did not state as much. The OP if you read it was about the trial being changed to a military style or secret or some such like or Dzhokhar dying before the end.Well look before you leap. That is what this entire thread has been about. Or are you such a contrarian that you feel you need to stick up for a completely untenable position. I'll say again, what paint do you know has the viscosity of blood, the same color as blood when wet, AND dries to a maroon-ish brown as blood does? I mean the OP stated as such. Did you not see half his posts?
A cornerstone of a valuable scientific theory is the ability to make predictions. I have a theory of what happened in Boston, gleaned from the ample visual material. Rather than waste our time debating this theory, I am going to make a prediction, and if this prediction fails, I will reject the theory. This prediction is so outrageous, that if it comes true, you must take seriously the theory.
The case is soon to be heard in a civil trial (i.e., a trial by a jury of peers, as in Law and Order). The evidence of the state will be available to all. Jeff and the Corcoran's will be questioned by the defense. I expect Dzhokhar will receive excellent legal council.
If my theory is valid, this trial cannot take place as afore described.
I don't miss much. I wouldn't have my super status if I didOh so you did read it! Then you saw all his erroneous claims and how they were efficiently debunked with no effort. Bravo.
But if Dzhokhar does die before or during trial, you must accept a conspiracy.
Why do you expect anyone to know that answer? Or are you 'just asking questions?'Why was he not killed at the scene of his capture? The perfect opportunity.
I have taken some time to think about this question. I will first counter and then refine your question.Why was he not killed at the scene of his capture? The perfect opportunity.
He has multiple gunshot wounds, the most severe of which appears to have entered through the left side inside of his mouth and exited the left face, lower face. This was a high-powered injury that has resulted in skull-base fracture, with injuries to the middle ear, the skull base, the lateral portion of the C1 vertebrae [sic], with a significant soft-tissue injury, as well as injury to the pharynx, the mouth, and a small vascular injury that’s been treated.
I have taken some time to think about this question. I will first counter and then refine your question.
That I cannot answer.
- Why was Dhzhorkar not killed in the Beth Israel hospital? (This is the same hospital that us skeptics claim covered up "fake" amputations, etc.)
I have taken some time to think about this question.
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That I cannot answer.
- Why was Dhzhorkar not killed in the Beth Israel hospital? (This is the same hospital that us skeptics claim covered up "fake" amputations, etc.)
Recall that his brother was brutally killed, his friend killed in FBI custody, and the original suspect found floating dead in the Boston river.
Refinement
The authorities used dental records to identify the body as Mr. Tripathi’s. They did not immediately determine the cause of his death, but said his body had been in the water for some time.
- His brother wasn't brutally killed. don't exaggerate. http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324493704578432030609754740
Seeing a photo of one of the Marathon bombing suspects dead was cathartic, said one law enforcement official who saw the picture.
Passing it around was a rare chance “to revel” while other officers searched for Tsarnaev’s brother, Dzhokhar, the official said. “Mission accomplished. We’re halfway there. Justice is served.”
You are correct and I was wrong. He was never an 'original suspect'.He was never an 'original suspect'. Your statements aren't facts, they are opinion or rumor. Give us some links (evidence) for those statements.