Ross Coulthart Shows Patch Claimed of "Reverse Engineering Program at Area 51"

Lue has nothing to do with any of this.
sigh. area 503 hates Lue. and this mysterious twitter user reached out to Area 503 (a guy who hates lue) and spilled the beans to him and then mentioned he knows Lue?

If he knows Lue then obviously he is implying that he gave the story to Lue in the first place.

no?

I dont care if you trust your buddy, just callin' em like i see em.
 
For what it's worth, I am working a lead the patch in question was legitimately issued to EG&G personnel who ran a radar cross section test facility at A51. When I get information I feel comfortable posting, I will do so.
 
sigh. area 503 hates Lue. and this mysterious twitter user reached out to Area 503 (a guy who hates lue) and spilled the beans to him and then mentioned he knows Lue?

If he knows Lue then obviously he is implying that he gave the story to Lue in the first place.

no?

I dont care if you trust your buddy, just callin' em like i see em.

Area 503 is not my buddy. I've never interacted with him outside of what you see on Twitter.

He implies that he reached out to that Twitter user BillsMafia716y, not the other way around. He sent a pic of the MAP team asking (cheekily) if one was his uncle, and BillsMafia716y blocked him ("You can no longer send direct messages..." in Area 503's DM) then deactivated his account. He reactivated it to respond to my thread with those three tweets (now gone because he deactivated again).
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"If he knows Lue then obviously he is implying that he gave the story to Lue in the first place." - I see no reason to make that inference and I don't see how it's relevant. This has nothing whatsoever to do with Lue.

@Eddie.Pieboldt is the one who reached out to the ebay seller lockheedskunk117 and talked to him via his ebay account, so assuming Eddie is honest he was speaking to Coulthart's source.

What remains is to prove lockheedskunk117 = BillsMafia716y. So far they're telling exactly the same story, and BillsMafia716y reacted suspiciously by deleting his account. No evidence he's a sock of Area503.
 
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He implies that he reached out to that Twitter user BillsMafia716y, not the other way around.
so then who did BillMafia originally tweet to?

i checked the other guys in the replies and theres absolutely no erason to think he would reach out to any of them.

He reactivated it to respond to my thread with those three tweets (now gone because he deactivated again).
? how did he know he had to respond? if his account was deactivated?

anyway if people post about something on reddit or twitter they should post the whole story here, so we dont have to try and piece pieces of threads together.


"If he knows Lue then obviously he is implying that he gave the story to Lue in the first place." - I see no reason to make that inference and I don't see how it's relevant.
i do.

@Eddie.Pieboldt is the one who reached out to the ebay seller lockheedskunk117 and talked to him via his ebay account,
that's not what he said.

What remains is to prove lockheedskunk117 = BillsMafia716y
he doesn't.


should i twitter you guys and tell you the story and you'll believe im lockheed? :) and then i can say "oh and i know jeremy corbell and george knapp". and you'll all know how the story got to Grusch.
 
? how did he know he had to respond? if his account was deactivated?
He can still read tweets from another account - in fact he'd be motivated to do so because everyone was talking about it and (according to Eddie) Coulthart called him to ask more questions. My initial thread is at 42K views so he probably saw the tweet, checked my account, saw the update, then responded to that. Someone again tweeted the MAP team photo at him, so he disappeared again.

that's not what he said.
Sorry, I meant the reverse. You said BillsMania reached out to Area503 but Area503 appears to be the one who reached out to him. I've now asked him why he did that.

And then the opposite happened with Eddie, because lockheedskunk reached out to him. I don't know who Eddie is on Twitter.

From a vague irrelevant mention of Lue (and others) it seems like a tenuous connection to accuse it of being Area503's sock. To what end? It didn't make Lue look bad.
 
Someone again tweeted the MAP team photo at him, so he disappeared again.
see, it makes no sense to me he would just disappear with that question. he would just say 'no'. because if it was the image searchable pic, then coulthart already knows he was lying.

I've now asked him why he did that.
? maybe he had a question.

Area503's sock
i read as: he reached out to area503 (the lue thing came after when i read your tweet thread).

yes Bill doesnt have to be area503 sock, but he is not lockheed and he purposefully mentioned Lue. Although i do like the idea of a Calfiornian Lockheed fan also being a Buffalo Bills fan :)
 
On this thread someone confirmed with Ross that it was his source.
oh god. this is like a bunch of washer woman telling tales and gossiping over the backyard fence. When ROSS says it, let me know.

He tweeted that he was Coulthart's source.
so a random buffalo bills guy tweets he was ross's source and somehow all of UFO Twitter sees the post?

(serious question, i dont do twitter, which is why i cant follow all the multiple threads you guys have going all linked sort of to each other)
 
oh god. this is like a bunch of washer woman telling tales and gossiping over the backyard fence. When ROSS says it, let me know.


so a random buffalo bills guy tweets he was ross's source and somehow all of UFO Twitter sees the post?

(serious question, i dont do twitter, which is why i cant follow all the multiple threads you guys have going all linked sort of to each other)

I edited my post a few times so you may not have seen that Ross Coulthart "liked" the post in which he was tagged, where someone said they'd confirmed with him that was his source.
 
see, it makes no sense to me he would just disappear with that question. he would just say 'no'. because if it was the image searchable pic, then coulthart already knows he was lying.

The image was of the MAP team. Coulthart had no reason whatsoever to even know about that pic let alone reverse-search it. It's also possible that's not the reason BillsMafia deactivated. Area503 thought so because of the timing.


i read as: he reached out to area503 (the lue thing came after when i read your tweet thread).

Area503 confirmed to me that he reached out first, with that DM with the MAP team image.


yes Bill doesnt have to be area503 sock, but he is not lockheed and he purposefully mentioned Lue. Although i do like the idea of a Calfiornian Lockheed fan also being a Buffalo Bills fan :)

BillsMafia is Coulthart's source, as confirmed by Coulthart, and he said he sold the patch on eBay.
Lockheedskunk is the person who sold the patch on ebay.
So it seems common sense to conclude that BillsMafia = Lockheedskunk.
 
I edited my post a few times so you may not have seen that Ross Coulthart "liked" the post in which he was tagged, where someone said they'd confirmed with him that was his source.
i didnt. but i also cant figure out what the convo was about because i dont know how to find the thread that was in.

It was a reply so yes, the people interested in the OP (about the patch) saw his tweet.
a reply to who? piebald said Lockheed reached out to him, and everything piebald related to us was grabbed in screenshot of mafiaBill on twitter.

(not that any of this matters, the story is still silly) BUT lets assume i believe you that MafiaBill is Lockheed confirmed by coulthart (do we really trust coultharts vetting? lets pretend we do).. so... Lockheed said he knows Lue and Puthoff. Grusches friend coulthart is talking to this friend of Lue's... so basically that confirms that Lue is part of this whole Grusch gathering stories thing. right?
 
i didnt. but i also cant figure out what the convo was about because i dont know how to find the thread that was in.

This is the tweet I screenshotted. Click the "2 Likes" and it shows Coulthart liked the tweet.

Source: https://twitter.com/Lifestyle_Doc/status/1690674230416031744



a reply to who? piebald said Lockheed reached out to him, and everything piebald related to us was grabbed in screenshot of mafiaBill on twitter.

I don't know exactly because the tweets are gone, so I don't know which was his first tweet on the subject. It may have been that one from OSIRIS_UP (scroll up from the link I just pasted) or something else.


(not that any of this matters, the story is still silly) BUT lets assume i believe you that MafiaBill is Lockheed confirmed by coulthart (do we really trust coultharts vetting? lets pretend we do)

Coulthart has not confirmed his source is Lockheed to my knowledge. He's confirmed that BillMafia is his source. The rest of this metabunk thread confirms that Lockheed sold the patch using the story about the RE program that matches Coulthart's story.


.. so... Lockheed said he knows Lue and Puthoff. Grusches friend coulthart is talking to this friend of Lue's... so basically that confirms that Lue is part of this whole Grusch gathering stories thing. right?
I don't see how any of this is related to Lue or Grusch. Coulthart said on the Need to Know podcast that this source (BillMafia) was not someone he'd ever spoken with before. He first heard from him a week before the podcast of Aug 4.

"now Bryce this might be a good segue for me to tell you about somebody who contacted me just in this past week. they're not one of my legacy program sources, they're not one of the first-hand witnesses but they are somebody who's contacted AARO and with their permission I'm allowed to talk about..." - Coulthart
Source.
 
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then why wouldn't BuffaloBill just say "no."
Because if BillMafia is making this up, he may have realized he'd just been found out.

If his first deactivation was for some other reason entirely (i.e. all the other stuff going on in his threads, the questions etc) then he didn't say no because he'd already left.
 
This one includes front and back of the ebay listing (brown rug) along with the MJ autographed item:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/area-51-groom-lake-eg-reverse-4619148855
Michael jordan autograph is included. Signed on an original 1992 Chicago Bulls ticket stub. No COA but he signed it for me in person.
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Isn't the patch/stub bundler the guy who said he bought the MJ stub for $400 and was just selling it on? Which would make that final sentence false, and thus make him an unreliable source.
 
Isn't the patch/stub bundler the guy who said he bought the MJ stub for $400 and was just selling it on? Which would make that final sentence false, and thus make him an unreliable source.
That's what Eddie reported here:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ro...ineering-program-at-area-51.13109/post-298170

I think we can all probably agree he's unreliable, given the changes he made in the patch descriptions. He may have been sold an autograph for $400 that the seller claimed he got signed in person, so he felt justified making the same claim himself.
 
I am completely lost in this thread guys, come on. Can we please try to make some kind of readable context here? It is now just a bunch of posts of folks calling each other out. Very annoying.
 
I apologize if this has already been addressed here: It should be possible to find out which companies usually produce/have produced these patches. This would be a relatively innocuous question that can be posed to representatives of such programs or of the industry.
 
I apologize if this has already been addressed here: It should be possible to find out which companies usually produce/have produced these patches. This would be a relatively innocuous question that can be posed to representatives of such programs or of the industry.
you mean find out which company manufactured this specific patch? i'm not sure anyone would remember it was over 20 years ago.
 
you mean find out which company manufactured this specific patch? i'm not sure anyone would remember it was over 20 years ago.
I assume that they will stick to a certain number of suppliers and that these are traditional companies with continuity. It could perhaps at least provide valuable information if one knew who the various programs work with or have worked with in the past.
Nowadays, you almost have to assume that something like this is manufactured in China. :)But with the small quantities, I'm guessing it's more likely to be a US supplier.
 
There are 4 DIFFERENT in baggie photos that all look very similar that all came from eBay auctions.
Yes, that series of photos in the baggie look like something you might shoot clandestinely (compared to the one out of the baggie on a nice black velvet background) so that's why he gave one of those to Coulthart. The fact that there are four of them tells me it wasn't shot clandestinely - why take four the same?
 
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a somebody who JUST HAPPENED to know Lue and Puthoff. (if we believe BillMafia is Lockheed117) and [alledgedly]contacted AARO?

If he's bs'ing about the rest, I doubt he knows those people. People puff themselves up in this field all the time claiming to know people they don't know. Or maybe he met him at a convention.

I don't see this as a coincidence. Someone who met Elizondo and Puthoff (if that's true), perhaps because their uncle worked at Area 51, is going to be keenly interested in ufology right now, and if they have their uncle's memento then Coulthart seems a likely person to offer it to.
 
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Yes, that series of photos in the baggie look like something you might shoot clandestinely (compared to the one out of the baggie on a nice black velvet background) so that's why he gave one of those to Coulthart. The fact that there are four of them tells me it wasn't shot clandestinely - why take four the same?
To me it looks exactly like what one does when selling something on ebay, stick it on a white bed sheet and snap a top down with your phone.

The bed sheet used looks the same/similar based on the threads, but in each photo the patch is moved because there's different folds behind it and there is different lighting/reflections, it makes more sense to me that these photos were taken at different times by the same seller for use on eBay.

Also the source for each of these photos is 4 different ebay auctions, does it make sense that somehow someone snuck 4 pictures of the same patch that all were in slightly different places on a white bed sheet at 4 different times and then for some reason these ended up on 4 ebay auctions, or that someone with full possession the patch just took a different photo of it for the different ebay auctions.
 
To me it looks exactly like what one does when selling something on ebay, stick it on a white bed sheet and snap a top down with your phone.

The bed sheet used looks the same/similar based on the threads, but in each photo the patch is moved because there's different folds behind it and there is different lighting/reflections, it makes more sense to me that these photos were taken at different times by the same seller for use on eBay.

Also the source for each of these photos is 4 different ebay auctions, does it make sense that somehow someone snuck 4 pictures of the same patch that all were in slightly different places on a white bed sheet at 4 different times and then for some reason these ended up on 4 ebay auctions, or that someone with full possession the patch just took a different photo of it for the different ebay auctions.
Add to that two more photo sessions on the brown blanket and the black velvet - this guy really went the extra mile to try and sell the thing.
 
I (and a couple of others) wrote to people involved in the MAP Project at Dartmouth Computer Science. The project lead David F. Kotz replied that he'd have known if there were patches made and he'd be surprised if anyone ever did develop one since he knows nothing about it.

MAP Project:
https://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~kotz/research/project/map/index.html
See this is what bothers me a little about Coultart.

This is basic journalism/research right? You receive an image of a patch from a source, allegedly this patch is related to alien reverse engineering, it has some words on it, surely you look into the patch and the words, you'd trivially find the Homeland Security sponsored MAP project is the main source of those words in that specific order, you'd reach out to that group to see if was them, then when it isn't and you choose to release the patch data you'd cover this point upfront.

Not to mention the ebay stuff which was a little harder to dig out, but still possible as demonstrated.
 
you mean find out which company manufactured this specific patch? i'm not sure anyone would remember it was over 20 years ago.
Anyone with a "smart" sewing machine could do it. My sister has one. They just need the desired pattern on the computer. The apparent scarcity of the patches would seem to indicate that a very small supplier might have done them.
 
Anyone with a "smart" sewing machine could do it. My sister has one. They just need the desired pattern on the computer. The apparent scarcity of the patches would seem to indicate that a very small supplier might have done them.
Could be prototype or a sampler.
 
For what it's worth, I am working a lead the patch in question was legitimately issued to EG&G personnel who ran a radar cross section test facility at A51. When I get information I feel comfortable posting, I will do so.
Not sure how the binary data represented in the patch would relate to radar cross-section testing. My interpretation of the symbolism is in post #48.
 
Could be prototype or a sampler.
Other options:
• he had a small run made, maybe 10 or 20, and they're all sitting packaged for posting on his shelf, except for the one he has out to take pictures of for ebay listings.
• There is actually only one that was never sold, and he hoped it would be discovered "naturally" and go viral, hence the $900,000 listing, and the one combined with the Michael Jordan thing (which would make it visible to people looking for Michael Jordan, i.e. create more views hopefully).
Pur speculation, obviously, but I believe it fits the evidence. (Who knew the LIZ applied to Groom Lake patches?)
 
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