Ross Coulthart

[Ann K]

This won't age well.

Ross almost claiming a win.

"The psionic program". "We want the truth". <** snigger **>

 

[Calter]

This won't age well.

Ross almost claiming a win.

The Trump administration does look like it's moving towards disclosure

Going to have to set a reminder for January 20th, 2029.

 

[Mendel]

This won't age well.

Ross almost claiming a win.

@Mick West ought to challenge Coulthart to a bet about that bottle of whisky: if there's no disclosure of a secret UAP program, or a working psionic program, during the Trump administration, Mick gets that bottle.

"People who've been in the psionic program ... who want to share" is Hal Puthoff etc. Not a secret, didn't work. There might be a classified continuation.

 

[Charlie Wiser]

This won't age well.

Ross almost claiming a win.

"At some stage there is going to be a public reckoning... I don't think the President will ever sit there at a lectern and say there are non-human intelligence. I think eventually there's just going to be a slow reveal, there'll be a slow admission."

So... how many slow admissions does it take to reveal the existence of NHIs on Earth? Surely Disclosure is just the one. One admission. And when that happens, it will be quick. Like, it'll take about 30 seconds I would think.

"The volume... people who've been in the psionic program, people in the legacy program, who want to share, it's like a floodgate has opened."

So... people want to share but haven't shared with him or Congress yet (see below) (because it's classified, presumably) which means he doesn't actually know what it is they want to share.

"I'm already talking to people at senior levels in the Congress, people in the Trump administration who want to know the truth."

So... they want to know the truth but they don't know anything yet.

"A cabal of people in Intelligence and Defense who have taken it upon themselves to commit crimes to conceal a monstrous secret, the biggest secret in human history."

So... has Coulthart reported these crimes?

"I'm reserving a very fine bottle of malt scotch for that opportunity when basically an admission is made that firmly puts the debunkers in their place. I think that day is not too far away."

So... there will be a definitive day of disclosure when I can open his scotch but see (1), there will not be a single day but a slow reveal.

 

[Charlie Wiser]

Just to update on Jim's ball:

Back in mid-2023 Coulthart was on Matt Ford's Good Trouble Show and said the following:

A lot of people are impatiently demanding that we sort of account to them for what we've been able to dig up on the metallic spheres. And all in good time, when I'm good and ready, will report... I've been approached from all over the world, after having the piss taken out of me last year for doing that story and giving credit to a guy in Texas, clearly, I knew a lot more than I was letting on. And clearly a lot of people now are coming forward to me with information. And I think at some stage we'll be able to reveal what we know.

Source: YouTube, timestamped

So that's 18 months ago he was complaining about people taking the piss out of him for Jim's ball, which he'd reported on a year earlier, in Aug 2022. He has still not updated us in any regard about Jim's ball, the scrapings from which he gave to Gary Nolan to analyze. At the time, Gary said it would take one month to determine if Jim's ball was alien.

clearly, I knew a lot more than I was letting on

To be honest, it wasn't clear and still is not. What more is he not letting on? He complains about the Deep State gatekeepers but he's admitting to holding back info about these metallic orbs (alien scout ships) for 2.5 years.

 

[FatPhil]

"The psionic program". "We want the truth". <** snigger **>

"It's becoming a bit of a joke".

Yeah, he's right there, but the yolk's on him.

 

[Mendel]

"It's becoming a bit of a joke".

Yeah, he's right there, but the yolk's on him.

He definitely has egg on his face—green egg, even.

 

[Ann K]

He definitely has egg on his face—green egg, even.

It is! I see green eggs and ham,
Thank you, thank you, Mendel-san.

 

[Charlie Wiser]

So... there will be a definitive day of disclosure when I can open his scotch but see (1), there will not be a single day but a slow reveal.

Freudian slip.

 

[Charlie Wiser]

The Trump administration does look like it's moving towards disclosure

Going to have to set a reminder for January 20th, 2029.

Coulthart told us 16 months ago that Disclosure would "probably" be in 12-18 months, because people in very high places know it. That's March 2025 at the latest. He defined Disclosure as the government acknowledging they are aware that NHI is engaging with humans:

If they were talking to the sources that I've been privileged to speak to, people at a very high level in U.S. defense and intelligence, people in the French government, the British government, the Russian government, across the world there are people who are in a position to assert that they know that the human race is aware of a non-human intelligence. And I think that the world will probably know publicly within I suspect 12 to 18 months...
What I think we might see in the best case scenario is an acknowledgment within the next 12 to 18 months of a non-human intelligence that has been engaging with this planet. And I know that there are moves afoot to get interviews with senior officials who may very well admit and say that very thing.

Source: Coulthart on 3AW with Neil Mitchell, Sep 26, 2023

 

[Kyle Ferriter]

This won't age well.

Ross almost claiming a win.

I cannot put into words how much this guy oozes "charlatan" vibe (in my view). Every sentence he says just sends off alarm bells that he is willfully lying. I don't know what it is specifically that does it.

I also think what he says here is representative of how a lot of the figures in the "aliens are visiting us" camp think. Especially the ones who do care about coming across as a reasonable person. Their game plan is to just keep doing this, presenting very bad evidence, low quality evidence, lacking provenance, attached to a bundle of other unproven or even outright false claims, fueling public discourse, getting people talking about the subject, in the hopes that eventually because of the noise enough people assume that there is very good evidence aliens are visiting that it gets cemented as a fact by a majority of the population even though there never actually was any good evidence. To them, presenting a very large volume of trash quality fake, misleading, misinterpreted, or just wildly overstated information, or just stories absent evidence at all, is good enough as long at it convinces a few additional people. It's like a team sport. It's really not about trying to evaluate whether various bits of info are true or false. It's about propagating their side's beliefs.

 

[MonkeeSage]

I also think what he says here is representative of how a lot of the figures in the "aliens are visiting us" camp think. Especially the ones who do care about coming across as a reasonable person. Their game plan is to just keep doing this, presenting very bad evidence, low quality evidence, lacking provenance, attached to a bundle of other unproven or even outright false claims, fueling public discourse, getting people talking about the subject, in the hopes that eventually because of the noise enough people assume that there is very good evidence aliens are visiting that it gets cemented as a fact by a majority of the population even though there never actually was any good evidence.

In Imminent,chapter 23 "The War Plan" (pp. 242-261), Elizondo describes the intentional public and Congressional influence campaign carried out by himself, Chris Mellon and Jay Stratton, culminating in the creation of UAPTF and then AARO. Then in chapter 24, "The Next Level of Disclosure" (pp. 262-266), he counts the Grush hearing and proposed UAPDA as among their victories.

p. 264

In the summer of 2023, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York, Senator Mike Rounds of South Dakota, Senator Rubio, and Senator Gillibrand sponsored the most historic UAP legislation yet, the UAP Disclosure Act.
This historic legislation proves that Congress is aware of the Legacy Program's possession of nonhuman bodies and advanced technology not
made here on earth and not made by human beings. It shows that Congress now knows the truth and they want the American people to be informed of the reality of this topic as well.
It proposed that the US government be able to exercise eminent domain over biological evidence of nonhuman intelligence and any type of
recovered technology of nonhuman origin that is in the possession of any element of the government or defense contractors.
Another aspect of this legislation creates a review board that answers directly to the president in order to create a road map for controlled
disclosure to the American people. The language in this historic piece of legislation is a direct result of whistleblowers briefing members of Congress and their staff at the classified level and even under oath about the reality of nonhuman intelligence and the Legacy Program's efforts to capture, collect, and reverse engineer these vehicles of nonhuman origin and, in some cases, collect nonhuman specimens.
Think about that for a moment. Let it sink in. These are individuals who reported to Congress, who had direct knowledge of and worked with the
Legacy Program to capture and reverse-engineer vehicles that were made by nonhuman intelligence.

p. 265

Oh, how far we have come.
Throughout the fall of 2023, Senate leadership requested my help giving them clarity on the facts as they fought for and sharpened the language in the UAP Disclosure Act. I quietly made multiple trips from my home to DC, where I logged many hours alone in a SCIF with our nation's leaders. Others who are aware of the facts also did their part to help the Senate. Conscious of how much has changed since 2017, I couldn't have been prouder of our leaders in the Senate. They were stepping up like never before to get to the bottom of this and bring the truth out to the public.

p. 266

That said, the pushback has only made the Senate leadership more committed to bringing out the truth. Congress is already circling the
wagons, making plans to try again. And try again we will. Over and over until we overcome the very last hurdle.
Seven years ago, if you were to tell me that this law would be passed and we would have changed the entire mentality inside the government and in the public eye surrounding this topic, I probably would have said you're crazy. Yet here we are.

According to the press release for the UAPDA it was not any whistleblower evidence that had convinced some Congress members, it was the "sheer number and variety" of stories, so unfortunately that seems like a somewhat viable strategy for them at least in the short term, though the UAPDA was basically rejected twice already and it seems like when the topics are getting out to the wider Congress they are not taking the blue chicken alien stories from the likes of Coulthart seriously.

During his time in Congress, former Majority Leader Harry Reid sponsored a project to investigate incidents surrounding UAPs. After that project became public, Senators, Congressmen, committees, and staff began to pursue this issue and uncovered a vast web of individuals and groups with ideas and stories to share. While these stories have varying levels of credibility, the sheer number and variety has led some in Congress to believe that the Executive Branch was concealing important information regarding UAPs over broad periods of time.

https://www.democrats.senate.gov/ne...cords-collection-act--as-an-amendment-to-ndaa

 

[Mendel]

presenting a very large volume of trash quality fake, misleading, misinterpreted, or just wildly overstated information, or just stories absent evidence at all,

This technique is so common among spreaders of bunk that it has a name.

Article:

The Gish gallop is a rhetorical technique in which a person in a debate attempts to overwhelm an opponent by presenting an excessive number of arguments, with no regard for their accuracy or strength, with a rapidity that makes it impossible for the opponent to address them in the time available. Gish galloping prioritizes the quantity of the galloper's arguments at the expense of their quality.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

A way to counter it is to ask them for their best piece(s) of evidence, and then to debunk that.

In the context of Congress, that "best evidence" was the hearings, and they were nothingburgers.

 

[Ann K]

@Charlie Wiser (from your quote)

If they were talking to the sources that I've been privileged to speak to, people at a very high level in U.S. defense and intelligence, people in the French government, the British government, the Russian government, across the world there are people who are in a position to assert that they know

In other words, Coulthart asserts that he knows people who assert (that they know people, etc: it's uncertain from his comments if there are several layers here) that there are people who are "in a position" to assert something. Even if those people exist at all, we are just left with assertions, not evidence. And when the string starts with an assertion from Coulthart, I'm not going to hold my breath for any significant reveal.

 

[Ann K]

@Mick West ought to challenge Coulthart to a bet about that bottle of whisky: if there's no disclosure of a secret UAP program, or a working psionic program, during the Trump administration, Mick gets that bottle.

"People who've been in the psionic program ... who want to share" is Hal Puthoff etc. Not a secret, didn't work. There might be a classified continuation.

Part of that claim is that the president will sit at his desk and address the American people to tell us about a supposedly "secret" program, etc. That actually may happen ...but don't forget, he is easily led by any rumor he hears. This is the same President that tells us there's a great big faucet to turn to let water come down from Canada to Southern California (there isn't), that there are no forest fires in Finland because they rake the forest (wrong on both counts), and Covid will magically go away in the spring (it didn't).

 

[JMartJr]

In other words, Coulthart asserts that he knows people who assert (that they know people, etc: it's uncertain from his comments if there are several layers here) that there are people who are "in a position" to assert something. Even if those people exist at all, we are just left with assertions, not evidence. And when the string starts with an assertion from Coulthart, I'm not going to hold my breath for any significant reveal.

That's a lot of people in a position to assert stuff. Odd, then, that none of them are in a position to prove their assettions... or, ar the least, none have actually done so, with nothing but promises of exciting new proof in Two More Weeks...

 

[jdog]

@Charlie Wiser (from your quote)

If they were talking to the sources that I've been privileged to speak to, people at a very high level in U.S. defense and intelligence, people in the French government, the British government, the Russian government, across the world there are people who are in a position to assert that they know

In other words, Coulthart asserts that he knows people who assert (that they know people, etc: it's uncertain from his comments if there are several layers here) that there are people who are "in a position" to assert something. Even if those people exist at all, we are just left with assertions, not evidence. And when the string starts with an assertion from Coulthart, I'm not going to hold my breath for any significant reveal.

"There Came a Pale Egg: The Ross Coulthart Story"