Ross Coulthart Shows Patch Claimed of "Reverse Engineering Program at Area 51"

[NorCal Dave]

if his uncle was still alive then, maybe he was selling it for his uncle.

Maybe. Right now all we have is what Eddie is relaying to us. Eddie seems confident that he's talking to the actual seller, so I'll go with that for now:

So far
Seller of the patch
Lockheedskunk117 says,
The patch was in uncles.
He sold it because he was strapped for cash.
He sold it with a MJ Autographed Chicago Bulls Ticket Stub
He regrets selling it
It was not sold to Ross Coulthart
It was sold to a eBay user from Nevada
Ross never had the patch, Lockheedskunk117 simply shared the image & Story with Ross
Ross called Lockheedskunk last night, Wanted to know why people think its a MAP Weather patch
He assured Ross it was the real deal, from his Uncle and not a MAP patch

Sounds like he, "lockheedskunk117", sold it because he needed cash. What I don't get, is why "leak" it to Coulthart after you already sold it? Especially if you needed money. He was never going to get close to million dollars for it, but it would have made sense to hype it up first behind the scenes, then sell it with peek interest in it, right?

And maybe I'm wrong on the million dollar price tag. My kids informed me that some of their Magic: The Gathering cards are worth quite a bit, with certain ones that attracted the attention of interested people with stupid amounts of money to shell out:

just over a month after the discovery of an ultra-rare Magic the Gathering trading card depicting the famous “One Ring” from J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Lord of the Rings series, the one-off card was purchased by none other than rapper Post Malone, after receiving offers from collectors worldwide at more than $2 million.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/new...athering-card-valued-at-2-million/ar-AA1eHVPX

No, my kids don't have any cards with that kind of value, if they did 'ol dad's in for a cut.

 

[Amathia]

Maybe. Right now all we have is what Eddie is relaying to us. Eddie seems confident that he's talking to the actual seller, so I'll go with that for now:



Sounds like he, "lockheedskunk117", sold it because he needed cash. What I don't get, is why "leak" it to Coulthart after you already sold it? Especially if you needed money. He was never going to get close to million dollars for it, but it would have made sense to hype it up first behind the scenes, then sell it with peek interest in it, right?

And maybe I'm wrong on the million dollar price tag. My kids informed me that some of their Magic: The Gathering cards are worth quite a bit, with certain ones that attracted the attention of interested people with stupid amounts of money to shell out:

just over a month after the discovery of an ultra-rare Magic the Gathering trading card depicting the famous “One Ring” from J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Lord of the Rings series, the one-off card was purchased by none other than rapper Post Malone, after receiving offers from collectors worldwide at more than $2 million.

Content from External Source

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/new...athering-card-valued-at-2-million/ar-AA1eHVPX

No, my kids don't have any cards with that kind of value, if they did 'ol dad's in for a cut.

Well his listing post says he's not actually looking for that ridiculous amount of money, he just priced it that way to get more attention to the post.

 

[jarlrmai]

he just priced it that way to get more attention to the post.

And maybe added some cool key words like Area 51 and Groom Lake etc..

 

[deirdre]

What I don't get, is why "leak" it to Coulthart after you already sold it? Especially if you needed money. He was never going to get close to million dollars for it, but it would have made sense to hype it up first behind the scenes, then sell it with peek interest in it, right?

yup. he could have sold it himself.

according to eddie he paid 400 for the autograph (which also makes no sense to get into the autograph business) so..the patch went for what 20-50$

 

[Eddie.Pieboldt]

according to eddie he paid 400 for the autograph (which also makes no sense to get into the autograph business) so..the patch went for what 20-50$

Yea. He said he paid $400 for the autograph on ebay and sold it with the patch .. It looks like the listing sold for $550 so that would be $150 he got for the patch.

 

[jarlrmai]

Yea. He said he paid $400 for the autograph on ebay and sold it with the patch .. It looks like the listing sold for $550 so that would be $150 he got for the patch.

Is it common to bundle unrelated items like this? What's the deal with this issue?

 

[PublicStranger]

But the guys working on the blackest of black secret programs that presidents don't know about, have a patch identifying said program for their coveralls?

Remember the quote 'the best place to hide is in plain sight'.

Perhaps if I was was in Area 51 working on legit military hardware and I saw these random people walking around with no badge I may become suspicious

 

[Eddie.Pieboldt]

Is it common to bundle unrelated items like this? What's the deal with this issue?

Its common to sell "lots". But not a "lot" like this. You would think the market interested in a MJ autograph wouldn't want the patch and vise versa.
Something else to note. He claims he needed the cash. But lockheedskunk117 seems to be a coin dealer mostly. All high dollar coins too. 1-2k. He has solid reviews for the coin sales.
Coins are the type of thing you can literally bring into any dealers shop and get somewhat near their current market value for.
If the patch meant a lot to him, you would think you would just slang a coin quick to raise funds.
This odd lot-MJ/UFO for $550 is just fishy. Its also not a thing you would expect to sell super fast at "Buy it now". People that gotta sell something fast use the auction function.

 

[deirdre]

Yea. He said he paid $400 for the autograph on ebay and sold it with the patch .. It looks like the listing sold for $550 so that would be $150 he got for the patch.

im assuming he got some mark up for the autograph. 25% resale is a safe bet

 

[Eddie.Pieboldt]

im assuming he got some mark up for the autograph. 25% resale is a safe bet

True. eBay is taking 15% minimum.(more if he used the promoted listing function) Also it looks like seller paid shipping.

 

[Charlie Wiser]

So far
Seller of the patch
Lockheedskunk117 says,
The patch was in uncles.
He sold it because he was strapped for cash.
He sold it with a MJ Autographed Chicago Bulls Ticket Stub
He regrets selling it
It was not sold to Ross Coulthart
It was sold to a eBay user from Nevada
Ross never had the patch, Lockheedskunk117 simply shared the image & Story with Ross
Ross called Lockheedskunk last night, Wanted to know why people think its a MAP Weather patch
He assured Ross it was the real deal, from his Uncle and not a MAP patch

He had to go to work.. Will talk to him later.

Can we get some clarification on the two different listings - the ebay one showing the patch on a brown rug (Lockheedskunk117) sold with the MJ sig, and the one(s) on the soviet-awards site on a white background? I would imagine they come from two different photography sessions and probably two different photographers? The latter's description claims the seller was the worker (no gt uncle mentioned), the patch was given out in 2000 and he worked there (according to Coulthart) until 2014 - not really "gt uncle" era.

Is that listing in any way related to the ebay listing for $550 with the MJ autograph? Do we know how the patch was described in that listing?

If this Twitter user is not trolling, he claims he snuck a picture of it lying around, then his gt uncle gave it to him anyway. To me that sounds like an ad hoc story since the first part is irrelevant unless the second part was added later.


[this account is deleted]

 

[PublicStranger]

It just makes you wonder. If they can sneak a top secret program patch out of area 51, why has nobody ever been able to sneak out the smoking gun?

A tiny piece of these claimed crafts? A photograph? A page of a top secret document?

 

[Mendel]

It just makes you wonder. If they can sneak a top secret program patch out of area 51, why has nobody ever been able to sneak out the smoking gun?

This isn't a top secret patch. It's a patch of a guy who talked to someone who worked on the top secret stuff. (Sound familiar?)

 

[Eddie.Pieboldt]

Can we get some clarification on the two different listings - the ebay one showing the patch on a brown rug (Lockheedskunk117) sold with the MJ sig, and the one(s) on the soviet-awards site on a white background? I would imagine they come from two different photography sessions and probably two different photographers? The latter's description claims the seller was the worker (no gt uncle mentioned), the patch was given out in 2000 and he worked there (according to Coulthart) until 2014 - not really "gt uncle" era.

Is that listing in any way related to the ebay listing for $550 with the MJ autograph? Do we know how the patch was described in that listing?

If this Twitter user is not trolling, he claims he snuck a picture of it lying around, then his gt uncle gave it to him anyway. To me that sounds like an ad hoc story since the first part is irrelevant unless the second part was added later.


[this account is deleted]

This Twitter user is the one who initially reached out to me. I then communicated with him through his ebay account lockheedskunk117.

 

[PublicStranger]

Can somebody please create a Metabunk patch with 'Measure, Analyze, Debunk' and send it to AARO to give them a bit of motivation?

 

[Eddie.Pieboldt]

After a bit of looking, "lockheedskunk117" purchased something from seller "Area 51":

I just heard back from seller Area 51. He said the patch in question is not one of his.

 

[Eddie.Pieboldt]

Can somebody please create a Metabunk patch with 'Measure, Analyze, Debunk' and send it to AARO to give them a bit of motivation?

The image can be a rabbit emerging from a hole.

 

[Charlie Wiser]

Okay searching soviet awards there 4 postings with 4 different photos.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=AREA+51+Groom+Lake+EG\u0026G+Ultra+Rare+Patch+site:soviet-awards.com&t=h_&ia=web

https://soviet-awards.com/vintage/A...ring-Group-Ultra-Rare-Patch_185793097822.html
https://soviet-awards.com/vintage/A...Group-Patch-Coin-Ultra-Rare_185782594127.html
http://soviet-awards.com/vintage/Ar...-Military-Super-Rare-Patch-_185790380709.html
https://soviet-awards.com/vintage/U...nly-Engineering-Group-Patch_185747391075.html

Each of the title and descriptions is slightly different (as well as the photos, but it's the same patch and same photoshoot). The ebay item numbers are different so these were separate listings rather than him changing the description of one item over time and the soviet awards site pulling snapshots over time. Odd that the photos are all slightly different (and none are the brown-blanket photo, although one image is missing) yet it's the same physical patch.

In my experience ebay will not let you create two identical listings. But that can't be why he has different descriptions since the listings couldn't have been running concurrently (as he states he doesn't have multiples of the item). So it seems he kept making new listings because it wasn't selling. Or he had multiple patches, sold them sequentially hoping on one would notice, but used different photos from the same photoshoot each time.

Only two of the five soviet awards site listings have the same title as the $550 patch sold by lockheedskunk117 on ebay so one of those must be a later listing. (But didn't we establish the $550 sold item had the brown-blanket photo?) None of the five descriptions mentions the MJ autograph.

The main differences in the changing description:

• I was part of that group. Patches given out in 2000. $900,000 "to be seen more". EBAY ITEM 185790380709
• I was one of the members of that group. Handed out in the early 2000s. $2000. [image not cached] EBAY ITEM 184961050008
• From my personal collection. Handed out in 2001. $10,000. EBAY ITEM 185747391075
• Belonged to a family member and given to me. Handed out in 2000. $10,000. [same title as final ebay listing] EBAY ITEM 185793097822
• Own a piece of history. I will also include a rare challenge coin. $10,000. [same title as final ebay listing] EBAY ITEM 185782594127

 

[PublicStranger]

Not sure if anybody has posted this but there are some wild claims being made on this reddit thread.


Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15padjo/the_phrase_measure_analyze_protect_appears_twice/

 

[Charlie Wiser]

This Twitter user is the one who initially reached out to me. I then communicated with him through his ebay account lockheedskunk117.

Was that the same user as this?

Source: https://twitter.com/RealArea503/status/1690823948911693824

(Sorry, I've no idea how the usernames on Metabunk correlate to Twitter users.)

 

[PublicStranger]

Was that the same user as this?

Source: https://twitter.com/RealArea503/status/1690823948911693824

(Sorry, I've no idea how the usernames on Metabunk correlate to Twitter users.)

He'd have to be old enough to be considered someones great uncle, I only see potentially 2 candidates in that photo considering, and even then its a stretch.

 

[Charlie Wiser]

He'd have to be old enough to be considered someones great uncle, I only see potentially 2 candidates in that photo considering, and even then its a stretch.

That photo is the MAP Project - nothing to do with Area 51 RE programs.
If the guy deleted his account as a result of getting that DM, which can't be proven of course, it looks like was busted.

Area 503 confirmed it was the same account that then returned and reiterated the story - that he snuck a photo of the patch which his gt uncle later gave him, and he sold it while strapped for cash.

Source: https://twitter.com/RealArea503/status/1691179679250878464

 

[Charlie Wiser]

This seems important:
What do we know about exactly how Ross got the photo of this patch? Or at least what he says about how he got it, and what he was told at the time, and what he's been told since by the source.

He talked about it at the library on Saturday and on Need To Know (Aug 4, timestamped) (and has tweeted once to deny he bought the patch himself and deride armchair debunkers). He said the guy whose uncle worked on the program gave him the photo along with a photo of the engineering group itself (and he recognized some faces) - this is why it seemed legit to him.

Did that source tell him at the time that he'd sold the patch on ebay? Or did he only reveal that after he was found out? Did he claim the photo of the patch that he gave Coulthart was the secret photo he took while his uncle slept? Because if so, why are there several versions of it? And why then take another low quality photo on an unattractive brown blanket for the ebay listing?

 

[Charlie Wiser]

Here's the patch on worthpoint - shows the reverse. And it's yet another photo - black background, no baggie.
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/area-51-eg-engineer-employees-patch-3701913380

 

[Charlie Wiser]

This one includes front and back of the ebay listing (brown rug) along with the MJ autographed item:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/area-51-groom-lake-eg-reverse-4619148855

 

[deirdre]

(Sorry, I've no idea how the usernames on Metabunk correlate to Twitter users.)

so basically the story @Eddie.Pieboldt is just an old twitter thread?

first we get spammed by reddit links we're supposed to click and read through, now we are starting with Twitter? c'mon folk. if you have info to add to this thread then ADD THE INFO not some outside link. You also dont need to "reply" to an entire long comment, highlight a tiny bit then use the pop up reply option PLEASE!


and @PublicStranger if you could shrink your screen shots because your font is obnoxious.

 

[deirdre]

Area 503 confirmed it was the same account

area 503 cant stand Lue and mocks him on his twitter page, your above link has this screenshot.


I think 503 is trolling.

 

[deirdre]

This one includes front and back of the ebay listing (brown rug) along with the MJ autographed item:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/area-51-groom-lake-eg-reverse-4619148855

those are horrible pics for an autograph.

 

[Charlie Wiser]

area 503 cant stand Lue and mocks him on his twitter page, your above link has this screenshot.


I think 503 is trolling.

In what way is he trolling? That account (before it was deleted) was created in 2020.



People are trying to piece together information from several sources. I don't understand your objection to that.

 

[NorCal Dave]

is one includes front and back of the ebay listing (brown rug) along with the MJ autographed item:

Here's for everyone. Boy this stuff gets reposted and reused:



The description is slightly different, though it reiterates that the seller "was the part of the group". Maybe it's a previous post that was on eBay but didn't sell.

The whole thing is very confusing.

I'm still thinking it's possible that the patch is legit, in that it was for some group that may have operated or worked at Groom Lake. EG&G was a known DoD, DoE and CIA contractor. They likely ran the Janet commuter aircraft between McCarran airport in Vegas and Groom Lake, ran radar facilities there and at nearby Indian Springs (now Creech) AFB, and perimeter security among other operations.

Why a seemingly reputable collectable coin and card dealer on eBay would sell this patch either from his uncle or wherever and THEN give pictures of it with a slightly different story to Coulthart, I don't know.

 

[Charlie Wiser]

area 503 cant stand Lue and mocks him on his twitter page, your above link has this screenshot.


I think 503 is trolling.

So, you're actually accusing @Eddie.Pieboldt of trolling.

 

[jackfrostvc]

@Charlie Wiser

Can you still takeover a twitter account name when someone deletes it? I think this happened a while back with faceless burearecrat

 

[Charlie Wiser]

Can you still takeover a twitter account name when someone deletes it? I think this happened a while back with faceless burearecrat

AFAIK yes, but only after the 30 day change-of-mind period is over.

 

[deirdre]

That account (before it was deleted) was created in 2020.

i have multiple twitter accounts.

So, you're actually accusing @Eddie.Pieboldt of trolling.

trolling lue. yes.

 

[Charlie Wiser]

Why a seemingly reputable collectable coin and card dealer on eBay would sell this patch either from his uncle or wherever and THEN give pictures of it with a slightly different story to Coulthart, I don't know.

He only gave one picture to Coulthart, and it's not even the best picture. The one out of the baggie, front and back on black background, is the best one. But that one looks like it's "staged" for ebay, so maybe the one in the baggie looks the most like one he clandestinely shot while uncle was asleep.

His reiteration above that the photo is indeed the one he shot while uncle was asleep makes a lie of his whole story because it's an irrelevant detail (if it's true, as he later said - but not to Coulthart apparently - that uncle gave him the patch afterwards anyway). It looks to me like he told Coulthart that's how he got the photo to make it seem more authentic and secret.

 

[Charlie Wiser]

trolling lue. yes.

Lue has nothing to do with any of this. Are you saying the screenshots are fabricated? I don't understand.

 

[Ann K]

No, my kids don't have any cards with that kind of value, if they did 'ol dad's in for a cut.

Ha! My husband had a wastebasket full of baseball cards from the 1930s and 1940s. He handed it to our young son to play with, who promptly traded them to an older kid up the street for a cheap toy. Husband was furious: "They're worth a lot of money!". I told him if he handed them to a five year old, it was his own fault, and he got no sympathy from me!

I suggest that ol' dad is out of luck if they end up with something of high value.

 

[Charlie Wiser]

3) When I googled the username sans the last letter. The first result of not that many, came back with a youtube channel. It had one video , in the video was this person who was showing off his collectables, namely american football cards. They made mention of having signed stuff. In the background was a Joe Rogan T-shirt and also what seemed to be signed Rogan memorabilia.

Coulthart specified his source was a "he". That's a woman in the video, although I don't know their pronouns of course, and if Coulthart only spoke on the phone he may have presumed it was a he. (Doesn't mean that YT isn't associated with the Twitter account or that it is.)

 

[deirdre]

Lue has nothing to do with any of this. Are you saying the screenshots are fabricated? I don't understand.

it was your link i clicked. no i m not saying the screenshots are fabricated. although i hadnt thought of that, i assume some of your twitter crew SAW them being posted in real time yes?

 

[Charlie Wiser]

it was your link i clicked. no i m not saying the screenshots are fabricated. although i hadnt thought of that, i assume some of your twitter crew SAW them being posted in real time yes?

I give up. I have no idea why you're being cryptic. Lue has nothing to do with any of this. You can see the deleted tweets right there.