Advocating violence against "Chemtrail" planes, pilots, scientists, and debunkers

"Lest I be put in prison without charge"

Well he solved that problem by specifically detailing exactly how he would capture, torture and murder this 'guy'.

I'm no lawyer, but I am pretty sure you are not allowed to threaten people like that, even if you don't mean it.
 
"Lest I be put in prison without charge"

Well he solved that problem by specifically detailing exactly how he would capture, torture and murder this 'guy'.

I'm no lawyer, but I am pretty sure you are not allowed to threaten people like that, even if you don't mean it.

Unfortunately it seems like it's a bit of a gray area:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/02/u...-anthony-elonis-online-threats-case.html?_r=0

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday made it harder to prosecute people for threats made on Facebook and other social media, reversing the conviction of a Pennsylvania man who directed brutally violent language against his estranged wife.

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., writing for the majority, said prosecutors must do more than prove that reasonable people would view statements as threats. The defendant’s state of mind matters, the chief justice wrote, though he declined to say just where the legal line is drawn.

Chief Justice Roberts wrote for seven justices, grounding his opinion in criminal-law principles concerning intent rather than the First Amendment’s protection of free speech. The majority opinion was modest, even cryptic.

Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. voted with the majority, though he said a defendant’s recklessness in making threatening statements should suffice to require a conviction. The majority opinion took no position on that possibility.

“Attorneys and judges are left to guess,” Justice Alito wrote.
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In the UK you don't have to mean it, but you must intend that your threat is believed:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/24-25/100/section/16

Offences Against the Person Act 1861

s16. Threats to kill.
A person who without lawful excuse makes to another a threat, intending that that other would fear it would be carried out, to kill that other or a third person shall be guilty of an offence and liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years.
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http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/27/section/1

s1. Malicious Communications Act 1988

Offence of sending letters etc. with intent to cause distress or anxiety.
(1)Any person who sends to another person -

(a) a letter, electronic communication or article of any description] which conveys—

(i)a message which is indecent or grossly offensive;

(ii)a threat; or

(iii)information which is false and known or believed to be false by the sender; or

(b) Any article or electronic communication which is, in whole or part, of an indecent or grossly offensive nature,

is guilty of an offence if his purpose, or one of his purposes, in sending it is that it should, so far as falling within paragraph (a) or (b) above, cause distress or anxiety to the recipient or to any other person to whom he intends that it or its contents or nature should be communicated
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In Australia the law is more clear cut
http://www.findlaw.com.au/articles/5203/threats-to-kill-how-is-it-an-offence-.aspx

“(1) A person who intentionally or recklessly, and knowing its contents, sends or delivers, or directly or indirectly causes to be received, any document threatening to kill or inflict bodily harm on any person is liable to imprisonment for 10 years.

(2) It is immaterial for the purposes of an offence under this section whether or not a document sent or delivered is actually received, and whether or not the threat contained in a document sent, delivered or received is actually communicated to the person concerned or to the recipient or intended recipient of the document (as relevant in the circumstances).”
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There was a fairly wide scale lasering of aircraft earlier this week across New Jersey, coincidental or coordinated?
excerpts:

(CNN)Thirty-four commercial flights reported lasers pointed at them Wednesday night as they flew over New Jersey -- the latest in a growing number of such dangerous incidents plaguing U.S. skies......


About half of the incidents reported by the FAA were close to Newark Liberty International Airport, while the others occurred elsewhere in New Jersey -- from Robbinsville, near the Pennsylvania border, to Ocean City, along the Atlantic Ocean in the southeast corner of the state.

Three American Airlines planes were among those affected, as were two from JetBlue and one each from United, Delta and Republic.

Five planes informed air traffic controllers in the Newark Liberty tower "that lasers were being pointed at them" between 10 and 11 p.m. Wednesday, according to Ron Marisco, a spokesman for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which runs the Newark airport as well as Kennedy and LaGuardia airports in New York.

"The incidents are under investigation," Marisco said.

So-called laser attacks aren't unprecedented, but they are on the rise, as handheld lasers become more common and affordable. There were 3,894 such strikes reported in 2014, the FAA says. For comparison's sake, there were only 283 in 2005.

That works out to about 10.5 incidents a day. But that's nationwide, so the 11 reported attacks over New Jersey alone in one night do seem to stand out.
More at this link.
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That video game suggestion gives me an idea: Exactly that game, with a tutorial explaining you get points for shooting down "real" chemtrail planes and penalties for shooting down simple contrail planes. Every time you shoot down a plane, it gives you a brief slideshow explaining what kind of trail it was leaving and why it's not a chemtrail.
 
That video game suggestion gives me an idea: Exactly that game, with a tutorial explaining you get points for shooting down "real" chemtrail planes and penalties for shooting down simple contrail planes. Every time you shoot down a plane, it gives you a brief slideshow explaining what kind of trail it was leaving and why it's not a chemtrail.

But the big twist is that you get penalized for every plane you hit, because they are just condensation trails, and shooting down planes is stupid and insane.
 
But the big twist is that you get penalized for every plane you hit, because they are just condensation trails, and shooting down planes is stupid and insane.
Exactly. I would hate to see how badly this game's review page will get trolled, but it would be worth it.
 
Love the second comment. 2011 Tohoku earthquake yield was estimated at 9.32 teratons of TNT. That's about thirteen hundred times the output of every nuclear weapon on earth.
 
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In Australia the law is more clear cut

The law looks fairly straight forward, but there are a few loop holes which are exploited in court and will cause the charge to be dismissed or downgraded. Also differs slightly from state to state as to what is actually threatened and how, for instance whether it is a case of threatening life (to kill or endanger) or threatening to cause serious harm and the intent to arouse fear. It also has to be more or less an imminent threat i.e. the victim believes it's about to occur or is likely, and non conditional - "I will kill you if you do that again" is not sufficient to prove the offence.

It's nice when it works though, as it carries a 12 year max sentence.

I'm not too sure how other states go about it in court, but their legislation is similar.

In a similar vein, some idiot in Adelaide recently got convicted for shining a laser at a police helicopter:


An Adelaide father of three who repeatedly shone a laser pointer at a police helicopter has avoided jail, despite a judge describing the man's actions as "drunken, dumb and dangerous".

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Judge Paul Rice said the pilot, formerly with the Defence Force, was using night vision goggles and was forced to shield his eyes and look away.

"In the worst of circumstances the helicopter could have crashed on the home where your wife and children live," he said.

"The night vision goggles magnify the light by up to 4,000 times.

....

"For 48 hours after these events [the pilot] had minor discomfort and sensitivity to light."

....

Police officers on board the helicopter sent patrols on the ground to arrest Stewart.

He pleaded guilty to prejudicing the safe operation of an aircraft and using a prohibited weapon.

His sentence of two years and four months was suspended, in favour of a $500, two-year good behaviour bond.

The court heard Stewart previously had no convictions.

"This is the first trouble you've ever been into and I hope it's the last," Judge Rice said.

Judge Rice said the same leniency would not be shown if Stewart committed another crime.
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That's right, folks, police helicopters have police in them, can hover over your house and watch where you go. Obviously had too many drinks at the Mensa meeting he was participating in, or got bored in between planning launch trajectories, removing brain tumours or whatever his job entails...
 
With regards to threats made on social networking, it is almost certainly the correct thing to report actual offences to the police force in the country of the person committing the crime. While it might seem simple enough for facebook to pull content and ban users, there are many stories online of allegations and threats being made where it seems nothing is done. This story is an example, although nothing official is stated about facebook being contacted:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...bed-paedophile-wins-10-000-libel-damages.html

In the UK a threat made to a person is usually dealt with as a form of assault, although we are gradually seeing previously criminal offences turned in to civil issues, possibly because of the rise of the reporting of such things and the cost involved in resolving them, i.e. disputes between neighbours.
 
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