Advocating violence against "Chemtrail" planes, pilots, scientists, and debunkers

[Mick West]

This thread is sticky, as it's intended as a record of all threats of violence against planes, pilots, scientists and debunkers. Please limit posts strictly to that topic. Feel free to start new thread if you want to discuss something in depth.

What you can do if you see a credible threat of violence on Facebook:

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From this review of "Deep Green Resistance" by McBay, Keith and Jensen, which advocates illegal and even violent action in the name of ecology:

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2011/09/13/beyond-protest-saving-our-planet-with-de

DGR elaborates on overall strategy and specific tactics. It shows conclusively how past strategies and tactics "ranging from ineffectual to ridiculous" have failed.
Lighting candles, waving protest signs, or lobbying power as if it has a conscience has not stopped the ongoing destruction of Earth. At best, arrested protesters get publicity. But the business of destroying our planet proceeds unabated.
[...]
To prove this, DGR points out that Ken Saro-Wiwa and his nonviolent group were likewise unable to stop Royal Dutch/Shell's ongoing destruction of Nigeria. After he and eight others were executed, a militant group (MEND) has since stopped a third of oil production in the Niger Delta. They did this with acts of sabotage and direct violence against drillers. Their motto is, 'if you stay here, you die here.'
[...]

Hell, I'd be happy if militants blocked the delivery of fluoride to my city's water plant. Even better, a group of conscious insiders could simply not add the agro-industrial waste. Probably more important, a halt to fracking would certainly help the biosphere, including us humans.
And I can't tell you how many times I've fantasized about firing a missile at the jets laying chemtrails over our skies. Nature helped recently. No chemtrails were laid during Hurricane Irene. For the first time in rural Florida, I saw thousands of stars and an arm of the Milky Way. A friend in New Jersey noticed the same thing. She cried.

Note the "chemtrails" link goes to an article about "Case Orange".

A Google search for chemtrails + "shoot down" reveals this is not an isolated random suggestion. Now while the idea is ludicrous, and practically inconceivable, we need to recognize that sometimes people do take bunk to the extreme. Timothy McVeigh, for example, was a believer in conspiracy theories about the UN taking over the US, and he ended up killing 168 people.

Debunking has a very small possibility of preventing things like that, but no matter how small the possibility, it's another reason why debunking is worthwhile.

 

[Jay Reynolds]

http://twitter.com/#!/lookupCHEMTRAIL

Michael Murphy is on Coast to Coast AM very soon...he will be discussing "what In The World Are They Spraying"Call 818-501-4109 right now!!!
18 May via Twitter for iPhone

June 4th:

Shoot them all down!!!
4 Jun via Twitter for iPhone

June 6th:

I am completing a screenplay about CHEMTRAILS and a militia that shoots down the planes over the CaliforniaNevada desert! Wishful thinking!
6 Jun via Twitter for iPhone

Aug 15th:

Shoot them all down!!! Every last one of em' and will sort it out on the ground!!!
15 Aug via Twitter for iPhone

Sept 11th:

I am a CHEMPLANE bounty hunter...click like if you want to join my militia!!!
11 Sep via Twitter for iPhone

 

[Leifer]

"I have a solution to get rid of chemtrails..."

....We all purchase heat-seeking rocket launchers and blow the chemical-spraying planes out of the sky.

One by one they fall from the ground as people from all over the globe rebel and shoot them down. It'll be the #1 news story world-wide and humanity can breathe a collective sigh of relief knowing our toxic air is chemtrail-free.

(later he claims it was a joke, perhaps to avoid being tagged as a "terrorist threat")
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=21688


There are many more claims to "shoot them down" on public forums, but once they realize they are actually making a "threat", they claim it was a figure-of-speech of some sort. This may actually be the case....or not.

What is harder to find, is the hardcore activists who might try to "act" somehow. If their intentions are real, they know better that to post such a thing on a public forum.

I don't think it's realistic to shoot down a plane at 30k feet, from the ground. An attack on a ground-based installation is more likely - or on a place of political nature....hence things like embassy bombings.
....but all it takes is one lone nut, who doesn't care if he gets caught or dies in the process......it's been known to happen.

Many chemtrail believers suggest the nations that "these planes" fly over, should shoot them down. But when asked, "why don't they?"....another hole opens up in their theory.

 

[Mick West]

On a broader note, you've got guys like Andrew Breitbart fanning the flames:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/0...als-says-military-will-back-the-tea-party-up/

"I'm under attack all the time. They call me gay, there are death threats… There are times where I'm not thinking as clearly as I should, and in those unclear moments, I always think to myself, 'Fire the first shot.' Bring it on. Because I know who's on our side. They can only win a rhetorical and propaganda war. They cannot win. We outnumber them in this country, and we have the guns… I'm not kidding. They talk a mean game, but they will not cross that line because they know what they're dealing with."

His audience there is the Tea Party and beyond. People with a demonstrable tendency to believe in the most tenuous of conspiracy theories.

 

[Jay Reynolds]

Last night I watched a PBS special about the Earth Liberation Front, who did many acts of eco-terror. There was one case where they burned a lab at the University of Washington, but ended up burning down a Library as well.

Another they thought was a forestry company working on GMO timber trees, they burned down the whole complex, only to later find that what was being worked on were ordinary hybrid trees. Some of the members then got out of it, but the radical core kept on going. In the end one got caught out and got immunity of testimony, then the dominoes fell.

I agree that the more vocal ones we can see here are likely just the blowhards, and the one who will really act will be silent.
I did report some of this to the FBI years ago, and I may do so again in case it hasn't fallen off their radar. I really think that the people promoting this hoax need to consider if they are certain enough of what they are claiming to take the chance that 100 or more innocent lives could be at risk.

That would be an awful lot to have on your conscience, wouldn't it?

 

[GregMc]

I was reading numerous threats on youtube to blow up and shoot down planes leaving contrails and have been screen grabbing most of the ones I've come across.
Perhaps it may be of some interest to quote the threats here as some sort of central repository. Having a public repository of these threats may be usefull to flag to the rest of the population that these chemtrail believers are not necessarily as benign as they may seem.
We don't tolerate bomb threat comments even spoken in jest within airports and I'm not sure that they should be tolerated as public statements on the internet .


A typical comment from tonight's browsing ""I would love to figure out a way to blow those mo........ers out of the sky!!!!!!!! I have had enough. Its a bunch of rich nerds who want the world for themselves..and they want us all dead. I have been doing the research. F....k you to all the pilots of these planes and to all the evil f..ks behind all this!!!!!!!!!

• TheSpitmitt
  
  Rocket launchers Shoot the f...ers down. Serioslyu Just do it.
  neephius
  
  AA guns
  MtDeamon
  
  Kill the pilots
  TheStreeser1
  
  How do we take them out of the sky? The Governments of the world don't give a shit about it
  Poor Nice... we should shoot them down!!!
  Paauli90
  
  Some stinger missles would fix this problem
  KrikeysmateZ
  
  surface to air missles should sort that out
  andrewQuigley18
  
  How do we take them out of the sky?........Encourage Anyone and everyone with military background to STEAL missiles and SHOOT the F...King chemtrail airplanes out of the sky. NOW! Don't wait! Do it NOW Don't trust your government........
  MsLenepigen
  
  Let's shoot 'em down! All of them! I wanna PLAY*GRRRRR*
  MsLenepigen
  
  I wish someone would shoot these F...ers out of the sky!!.....Just woish my camera was an rpg!....
  Buckpwnz
  
  Sabotaging these planes is the only answer! We need powerful scalar or laser devices to shoot them down! You cannot winagainst murders with salvation army methods
  pattypooh5
  
  SHOOT THE C>>>>Ts DOWN
  Joda2004
  
  search and destroy them and their pilots. no other way
  Bathorzum
  
  Okay, where can I buy an RPG???
  TotontoBoi
  
  Why don't we just shoot one of these f...ers down anf then have the proof?
  subaraptor
  
  God, I wish I had a rocket launcher to just bring one down so that sheeps could see the evidence
  usergently
  
  I To.
  Tankerenemy
  
  
  That's only a small sample of screen grabbed threats of that nature
  
  
  

 

[Mick West]

aircrap.org had a poll

 

[GregMc]

LOL. Well it would be delicious if they reworded it slightly to "what is the just punishment for those orchestrating and delivering aluminium oxide, barium and other compounds to an unsuspecting public"
aircrap.org/beating-toxic-overload/332**045/

I've been rather undiplomatically rubbing their noses in it on one of the aircrap youtube videos and the chemtrail proponents have been particularly quiet ever since.
The irony of the zeolite promotion seems to have quite a bit of resonance with these chemtrail believers who are so quick to believe in herbal and "natural" cures for anything. By focusing on chemtrail "products" such as chembuster blocks of resin with old nails in them , liquid drops that make supposedly millions of tons of aluminium dust just vanish, I think that carries a lot of debunking clout to these sorts of personalities. Many of these folks are anti -science to begin with so presenting science to them is often like a water off a duck's back. It works great on normal people, but the true believers are harder to reach. Almost 100% of people are shoppers, so whilst pseudo science may sail a clear path past many folks poorly tuned BS filters, bad bargains of chemtrail junk won't.
The more that the financial incentive and commercial products of chemtrail promoters are revealed, the more their real motivations for spruiking the hoax become clear.


If I might humbly suggest Mick, a SHOPPING page on your site featuring the many absurd commercial anti-chemtrail products may have as much debunking power to the true believers as rational science and historic documentation. Old photos and journal articles etc are claimed to be ministry of truth photoshopped "disinfo" but the very adverts and products themselves directly from Chemtrail promotion websites powerfully suggest the snakeoil selling reality of the chemtrail hoax.

Nothing evokes BS as much as the "but wait, there's more, if you buy now for the one low price of.... you'll get TWO products thrown in for the price of one but only if you buy in the next few minutes" etc

 

[Jay Reynolds]

This one from the Ron Paul Forum, links a video of the "Testimonials" for the aborted Suffolk County Geoengineering ban:

Long Island Screams shoot 'EM down! chemtrails must END NOW!
http://97.65.137.56/192219/long-island-screams-shoot-em-down-chemtrails-must-end-now

-Content on the Daily Paul is the opinion of the original poster, not necessarily of the Daily Paul, its owner, moderators or Ron Paul

 

[Spongebob]

If I might humbly suggest Mick, a SHOPPING page on your site featuring the many absurd commercial anti-chemtrail products may have as much debunking power to the true believers as rational science and historic documentation. Old photos and journal articles etc are claimed to be ministry of truth photoshopped "disinfo" but the very adverts and products themselves directly from Chemtrail promotion websites powerfully suggest the snakeoil selling reality of the chemtrail hoax.

Nothing evokes BS as much as the "but wait, there's more, if you buy now for the one low price of.... you'll get TWO products thrown in for the price of one but only if you buy in the next few minutes" etc

That, is a very good idea.

 

[Mick West]

Another example I just noticed on Facebook

http://www.facebook.com/groups/chemtrailaction/?notif_t=group_activity

Carly Gnarly Actually, the key is a few heat seeking missiles in each of our backyards. That should do the trick. I've givin up on people. They are useless idiots. 1/2 of the US has had 4 years to figure out that our govt. is a bunch of communists, and it's apparently not long enough. To hell with the sheeple, heat seeking missiles is the only way to stop this madness!Wednesday at 5:32pm · *+1

Joking? Maybe so. But eventually somebody is going to do something stupid.

 

[Pogopoint99]

Here's a disturbing one from pinkthunderwonder on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdtLTyNOB0A

I will cause the most deadliest death in fucking history and beyond if these motherfuckers ever caused my mother's high blood pressure and strokes... I swear I can be very nasty... evil... More evil than them will ever be, I will fuck them up... I will slit their throats and torture them.. Touch my family or anyone else's and you've got something coming. And this is me being sweet... trust me. Illuminati or whatever gay name they wanna call themselves counts for jack shit.

I was banned from that channel for asking questions and being a general pain in the butt. I wonder what webmasterflash will do about miss pinkthunderwonder. It's a little disconcerting that the other chemtrail activists remain silent about a post full of such venom and hatred.

 

[GregMc]

Here's a charming collection of screen grabs I've collected and forwarded to various aviation security organisations.

 

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[Spongebob]

Good screen caps Greg. I had given up on the BS on youtube but I realise now how dangerously deluded these whack jobs really are!

 

[Mick West]

This isn't violence exactly, more historical harassment, but interesting


http://theintelhub.com/2011/03/30/s...s-billions-to-spray-populations-like-roaches/

Tim White says:
March 30, 2011 at 11:36 AM
From: Tim White
Subject: CHEMTRAILS-my phone call to PATRICK MINNIS of NASA
To: "Rosalind Peterson"
Received: Monday, July 27, 2009, 1:41 PM

I had the distinct DISpleasure of talking to this NASA/CIA/NOAA/NCAR/EPA mouthpiece and fool Patrick Minnis back in May of '99 when his name first started to come out as the debunker for us CHEMTRAIL WHISTLEBLOWERS.He started to give me his standard bullshit when I told him "STOP RIGHT THERE YOU LYING SACK OF SH%#@" ! I happen to be ex Air Force,a Viet Nam Vet who is VERY familiar with aircraft and I take extreme resentment of you not only lying to me but to all of your victims who are clueless and also insulting my intelligence. Your bulls%$# will NOT work on me so don't continue. I will do my utmost to expose you and this whole program for what it is. I know a lot more than you realize so why don't you jamb it and pass the message along to your buddies at that other 3 letter agency at Langley across the way from you". His next question to me was "What group are you with"? I answer "I'm not with any group. I'm independant of any group. Why do I have to be in a group to have enough balls and initiative to call you as an outraged individual,as a Concerned Citizen"? He responded,"Well,well,a Conceerrned Citttizenn huh….hmmmm? You just don't want to hear the facts do you? All you conspiracy theorists are all alike-you are all ignorant. Just run your mouths with no facts. I think you're the problem". My response,"I sure hope that you're proud of yourself and all your Project Paperclip Nazi buddies should be too because this IS Nazis at work so take your lies and shove them Minnis,I'm done with you"!CLICK. Gee,that son of a bitch hung up on me! What cheek! I guess he didn't want to hear anymore,do ya suppose?

Tim White, Viet Nam Vet(USAF)
Concerned Citizen,Researcher,Investigator,Whistleblower

 

[Jay Reynolds]

I know a lot more than you realize so why don't you jamb it and pass the message along to your buddies at that other 3 letter agency at Langley across the way from you".

Dr. Minnis was one of my first contacts when trying to get basic info on contrails. He later did actively post around the net trying to bring some sense, but few listened as he cast his pearls before swine.

Interesting comment from Tim White there, who says, "I know a lot more than you realize.."

Dr. Minnis must have instantly realized the guy didn't have a clue, since he equated the NASA Langley Research Center(LARC) in Hampton, Virginia, with the Central Intelligence Agency(CIA) in Langley, Virginia, 182 miles away.

The Langley Research Center is named after Samuel Pierpont Langley, an aviation pioneer along with the Wright Brothers.

 

[Mick West]

Well I didn't have a clue those were different Langleys. I plead being British!

 

[firepilot]

http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/officeofthecia/message/1016

There is some interesting writing from Tim White. Seems more than a bit unhinged, but certainly not love lost for Will Thomas and Len Horowitz, who are the ones I would say really promoted this hoax for money making.

Its been mentioned before by me and Jay, but Tim talks about Will Thomas getting 7,000 dollars to go to Aspen to talk about chemtrails, along with the same guy, David Peterson, supporting Clifford at times too. Wonder if this David still believes in chemtrails

 

[GregMc]

 

[Jay Reynolds]

During public comment time at the Suffolk County Legislative General meeting of December 6, 2011, transcript, page 106:

Good evening ladies and gentlemen.
Many of us have heard the ads on the radio of late see something, say something. Well, many of
these people here including me have seen something and we've been a long time waiting to say
something.
(APPLAUSE)
Thank you for giving us the opportunity. We've seen the military jets over -- I come from Ireland,
as you can tell from the accent, it's just not over your County; it's over the entire globe. Something
is going on. The farms in Ireland where I live, no airports for hundreds of miles, it's not actually,
you know, a big airplane country. Little tiny Island. It's just as many operations going on over
there as there is right on Long Island. I'm down from Connecticut and it's crazy up there, too. The
trees are all dying, the spruces. It's absolutely absurd.

Now the question I kind of have, if you propose a ban and I hope you will, you know, a ban on the
weather altering chemicals, how would you propose to enforce the law? Because, remember, in the
aftermath of September 11th, 9/11, in which aircraft were used as a weapon, you know, we saw
what can happen. We all need to be more observant of our skies.

Also, our local climate with chemical cloud seeding, etcetera, without our consent, is an act of
biowarfare. Our future generations will depend on you making a decision here to ban the spray.
You know, on the streets, we have police that patrol it to make sure we don't go speeding. We have
OSHA on the work sites. We have, you know, we have all sorts of agencies. But who's going to
control these planes, if it's a {black hawk}, who knows where it's funded from. And it appears it is.
It may be not American. It's internationally funded. You have to consider that.

You've got a lot of evidence from people tonight. You can look through what they've given you. Can
you incorporate perhaps in your ban proposal an in flight intercept based on whatever agency, to
take down for examination of these aircraft completely? Strip them down to the toilet. Take the
wheels off.
(APPLAUSE)
Find out what's happening in these aircraft. Somebody has to start doing this. But you either get
special agents, but I would like you also to have, civilian, non-related agencies involved with them.
We need to basically get some agencies that can short of shooting them down, do something else
urgently. And in fact, if necessary, if they're unmarked aircraft, get the Coast Guard, shoot them
down.
(NEGATIVE RESPONSE FROM AUDIENCE)
I mean we don't like to encourage this, but in the after events of 9/11/2001, air craft were used as a
weapon on this country. It's happening again. And that's all I have to say. Thank you.
(APPLAUSE)
http://legis.suffolkcountyny.gov/clerk/gmeet/2011/GM120611.pdf

 

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[Des O]

This was on Chemtrails Exposed facebook wall.

[h=6]David Inglis
[/h][h=6]Next time.. You see a plane laying down chemtrails..?point a laser at the airplane hoepfully it blinds the pilot.. The way i see it. Is there trying to poison me..Its only fair to fight dirty.? Anybody agree?[/h]Like · · January 18 at 10:58pm ·

 

[scombrid]

This was on Chemtrails Exposed facebook wall.

David Inglis


Next time.. You see a plane laying down chemtrails..?point a laser at the airplane hoepfully it blinds the pilot.. The way i see it. Is there trying to poison me..Its only fair to fight dirty.? Anybody agree?

Like · · January 18 at 10:58pm ·

My only hope is that they can't effectively target planes at cruising altitude. This is getting kind of personal really. I fly a lot and really don't like the idea of people even having the idea of targeting commercial planes because they leave a contrail whether those people have the capacity to successfully damage my flight or not. My last trip was a contrail trip going and coming because I was flying ahead of frontal systems going both ways so the plane I was on created trails over FL to NC going and from MD to SC returning. On both days I've found youtube vids claiming that they were "being sprayed" when the videos are pretty clear that they were filming typical commercial flights.

 

[Danny55]

It's already happening Scombird

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rs-soar-louts-blind-pilots-15-laser-pens.html

 

[GregMc]

That's exactly why the emergence of activist delusionals like we have seen here in Australia is such a dangerous trend.
With folk targeting Qantas aircraft captains as perpetrating "crimes against humanity" and even after being intercepted by police discussing further secretive plans of action even more serious developments are possible.

It is astonishing that our friend peekay22 described in detail his astonishment at seeing a trail forming from wingtips as a plane on takeoff from Melbourne airport approached a cloud
[h=1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tzqINhqUis[/h]
I sent him a few more examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXhxvsNeiiY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcJHYQNGrNg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBjTnS-X8ik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxU0b-2FBfs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXiBZlxfrC0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5iLya1n7zE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrDv4jX_MUs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar77CtvXLy8
and information on the causes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingtip_vortices
http://www.skystef.be/vortex.htm
http://cxdavi.narod.ru/condensation.htm
http://home.comcast.net/~clipper-108/lift.htm

Apparently it is all B@#$%$t and it's hidden wingtip chemtrail nozzles now


Laser pointing at jets has been common here for the last few years
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel...-laser-attacks-on-flights-20110414-1df6c.html
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-incidents/laser-strikes-pilot-in-the-eye-20110414-1dein.html
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel...rget-airliner-over-sydney-20110314-1bu3c.html
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/jetstar-plane-targeted-in-laser-attack-20101230-19aq2.html
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel...laser-near-sydney-airport-20110410-1d918.html
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/onepercent/2011/01/laser-attacks-on-planes-double.html

 

[Des O]

They take it very seriously here in Toronto. I have heard of several arrests regarding lasers pointed at planes. Usually its just kids with the lasers. Often they are using more than a little pen and a more powerful laser is the culprit.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2010/04/06/tor-laser-helicopter.html
http://spottingatyyz.blogspot.com/2011/01/aircraft-lasering-growing-safety.html

 

[Des O]

This is a little disturbing!


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Re: Have the Chemtrails stopped in your area?

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
They Started spraying the aerosol cocktails again here in NYC this morning. Doesn't bother me cause i live in an orgonite constructed dwelling. And if it gets real bad, i will utilize my rocket launcher thats used exclusively for chemtrail planes only.


My first chemtrail rocket launcher when i turned 7 on my birthday.

HEHE

Wouldn't that just be the best news article.

7 year old shot down chemtrailing plane with rocket launcher​

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[GregMc]

Firstwave2 apparently frequents a Dojo in LA and challenges debunkers to visit there where he threatens to kill them and advocates shooting planes and pilots.
He frequents nuffrespect's "killer chemtrails" vid and should be quite easy to arrange a meeting with for LA residents.

 

[Jay Reynolds]

These threats seem to be coming faster. The promoters like Michael J. Murphy & Co. need to consider what they are doing by telling people they are being sprayed with poison.

CHEM Trail / CHEMtrail
Blasting JACKSONVILLE Florida with CHEMTRAILS right now...someone SHOOT THEM DOWN please!!!

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f....134454893284439.25663.132660870130508&type=1

User Profile:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/CHEM-Trail-CHEMtrail/132660870130508

This was 14 hours ago by the same person who has been sending out threatenig tweets over the course of the last year as mentioned in my previous posting here:
https://www.metabunk.org/posts/1488

 

[GregMc]

I agree.
Legally, people like Michael J Murphy, whipping up hysteria are directly responsible for inciting violence against passenger jets and their pilots.
He might claim that the jets are unmarked military jets but clearly that is NOT the case and has been proven even by his fellow conspiracy adherents.
The delusional people who attempted to accost a Qantas pilot at Sydney airport all refer to Michael Murphy's video.

Michael Murphy, YOU are one of the people directly responsible for this dangerous hysteria and threats to murder pilots , passengers and debunkers.

 

[Des O]

This is from CHem Trail / CHEMtrail on facebook. http://www.facebook.com/pages/CHEM-Trail-CHEMtrail/132660870130508