1. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    At the suggestion of FreiZeitGeist, this sticky thread is for collecting useful images and infographics for debunking chemtrails and related topics.

    A picture is worth a thousand words, and that's especially true in debunking. Sometime explanations are quite complex, and sometime they just don't make sense without an image. They also allow you to make a point very quickly, which is great for the attention challenged. They are also make a great easy and effective response in forum discussions.

    Some guidelines:

    • Include a link to the original location of the image, if it's not yours
    • Upload it here as an attachment, as remote image links tend to break after a year or two.
    • This thread is NOT FOR DEBATING THE IMAGES. If you want to, start a new thread, and just add a link to the new thread here.
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  2. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

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  3. SR1419

    SR1419 Senior Member

    "The skies never used to look like this"

    I like this image because it shows not only a persistent contrail well before the late 90s (1983) but it shows multiple trails in the same sky, it shows shadows, it shows sundogs...and its shows a general overall cirrus-y haze that so many people claim never happened before "chemtrails". Clearly, it happened on a winters day in 1983 in North Carolina.

    http://www.1000plus.com/Imagic/8301sund.htm



    8301SunDog.jpg
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  4. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Classic Illustration of a Warm Front, showing cirrus forming before other clouds and rain

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  5. FreiZeitGeist

    FreiZeitGeist Senior Member

    A very good one by Mick explaining why contrails sometimes looked "broken" or paused
    (Did the pilot press the "Chemtrails on/off"-button?)

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    Source: http://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/

    It´s just perfect :-D

    A smaller, more direct variation i´ve often used in forum-figthings. it says "When you are wondering about this (broken Contrail) ... why don´t you wonder about that (nice-looking cummulus-clouds) The Sky isn´t homogenus"

    Attached Files:

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  6. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Useful for illustrating what aerosols are, and where they come from:

    http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_2393.html



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    Smaller:
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  7. SR1419

    SR1419 Senior Member

    Not an image but a very useful video that shows what happens when you inject very hot water into very cold air- instant freezing.

    [video]





    Thanks for the update Mick- I like this video as it shows a nice persisting several storey long plume- very contrail-y like :)
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  8. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

  9. Trigger Hippie

    Trigger Hippie Senior Member

    Often CTers claim to feel ill soon after they see "chemtrail" spraying. This graphic might help explain why that couldn't possibly be the cause.



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    REMOVAL PROCESSES OF VOLCANIC ASH PARTICLES FROM THE ATMOSPHERE
    Gregg J.S. Bluth and William I. Rose, Michigan Technological University

    www.geo.mtu.edu/~raman/papers/bluth_2004_isvaas.pdf
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  10. Trigger Hippie

    Trigger Hippie Senior Member

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  11. Trigger Hippie

    Trigger Hippie Senior Member

    Shows how emissions from aviation have the least significant effect on radiative forcing and how sulfate emissions from aviation have a minute effect on radiative forcing compared to the power production and industrial sectors.



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    The Role of Transportation in Driving Climate Disruption
    Deborah Gordon
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  12. cloudspotter

    cloudspotter Senior Member

  13. Steve Funk

    Steve Funk Senior Member

    re: Radiative forcing. The paper that you reference does not include water vapor, which is definitely a greenhouse gas. It says on page 5 that water vapor is not inventoried. When conditions are not right for persistent contrail formation, aviation definitely produces a lot of water vapor, which might put its net contribution into the positive side.
  14. scombrid

    scombrid Senior Member

    I do not think that the amount of water vapor in aircraft exhaust is significant compared to the amount of water in the entire air column. It would have to increase the average amount of water vapor in the atmosphere to have a significant impact on the heat budget. The CO2 that doesn't get scrubbed out of the atmosphere through natural cycling and the contrail cirrus that are transparent to visible light but that trap infrared probably do have more impact than the water vapor from combustion in general.
  15. MikeC

    MikeC Senior Member

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  16. SR1419

    SR1419 Senior Member

    Following up on Mike's graph....here is a useful and fun contrail applet that shows what the parameters are for formation and persistence and allows you to contrail...er..control variables mid-flight:

    http://profhorn.aos.wisc.edu/wxwise/AckermanKnox/chap15/contrail_applet.html


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  17. Steve Funk

    Steve Funk Senior Member

  18. Unregistered

    Unregistered Guest

    A friend of mine just sent me this video he made today illustrating the difference between chemtrails and contrails. I'm a little worried about him losing himself over his obsession with this, which is based on his misunderstanding of science. Can anybody help me find a way to educate him in the science behind this?



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh5TZZboyKw
  19. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Have a look at

    http://contrailscience.com/why-do-some-planes-leave-long-trails-but-others-dont/

    There's a list of articles on the left there, but that one seems most relevant to the video. The best approach varies by person, and what they actual believe.
  20. Jazzy

    Jazzy Senior Member

    Here's the moving version of atmospheric aerosol pollution over, I think, a year:

  21. cloudspotter

    cloudspotter Senior Member

    The level of scientific understanding that can lead to belief in chemtrails

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  22. Steve Funk

    Steve Funk Senior Member

  23. tryblinking

    tryblinking Senior Member

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  24. Critical Thinker

    Critical Thinker Senior Member

    Am I misreading this or do these test results actually show that the levels of the toxins that were tested for are all below the referenced standard? I think Socal Skywatch intended these results to show that these toxins were detected, but neglected to read the "definition and legend" part.



    https://www.facebook.com/pages/San-Diego-Chemtrails/496348250403666

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  25. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Correct. They quite often suggest that any level is a toxic level and should not be there.
  26. cloudspotter

    cloudspotter Senior Member

    I recently came across a painter complaining about man made chemical sunsets and found this rather striking painting by albert Bierstadt (1830 - 1902). There a few paintings by him with similar subjects and all obviously painted before any spraying could have been possible.

    Albert-Bierstadt-fine-art-28107557-640-447.jpg
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  27. cloudspotter

    cloudspotter Senior Member

  28. Jazzy

    Jazzy Senior Member

    Fishing nets can be used to gather water, and are being used in some places.

    The Canary Islands have a history which includes a tree which served as a water source for a whole village.

    Saharan beetles collect water by perching themselves on sand dune ridges at night, collecting dew.

    I have seen a single tree (a Plane Poplar) in a group of trees drop rain from its leaves, which were small and elliptical, and twisted rhythmically from side to side on their stalks, paddling the moist night air. Beneath the tree it was raining...

    It's a Permaculture topic, how much water there is in the atmosphere, and how it is possible to obtain water in desert conditions.
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  29. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

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  30. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    Just a quick note of a suggestion. Google says that they set the autosuggest feature based on search frequency for certain terms.
    So, create a bookmark for a google search using the terms in quotes:
    "chemtrails debunked"

    Make this your homepage or just a bookmark and use it as often as possible, you will help push the term up in the search suggestions that drop down whenever people type in the word chemtrails. Lots of the undecided need to see that there is a debuning available, and this makes it easily available.

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  31. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    They are called "aerodynamic contrails" and are caused by the lowering in air pressure combined with certain cold humid condition, see:

    http://contrailscience.com/aerodynamic-and-rainbow-contrails/
  32. JFDee

    JFDee Senior Member

    If you have read the article, go to Google Images and search for "aerodynamic contrail". Some extremely cool pictures will show up.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=aerodynamic contrail&tbm=isch
  33. Jazzy

    Jazzy Senior Member

    When an aircraft wing passes through air at its normal angle of attack, so that it is generating lift, the air passing over the wing's top surface has to travel a greater distance relative to the air passing beneath the wing.

    The pressure of the air above the wing falls, while the pressure of the air beneath rises. The air above the wing cools, the air beneath warms.

    If the air is supersaturated and at subzero temperatures, the sudden cooling of the air above the wing passing through it can cause microscopic supercooled water droplets to momentarily condense out.

    Once each droplet has appeared, then further (ever-present!) water vapor molecules will agglomerate onto it, and it will freeze solid (the ambient air temperature being below freezing).

    The trail starts with a very fine appearance from the peak point of cold (peak pressure reduction) about a third of the chord back from the upper leading edge of the wing, in the body of the air above the wing, showing a rainbow set of refractions as the tiny spheres (1/1000 inch) of supercooled water metamorphose over several seconds into much larger hexagonal crystals of - ICE. The colors generated are quickly lost as the ice particles grow in size.

    The aerodynamic trail is perfectly pure water ice. It is absolutely undistinguishable from any cirrus cloud.

    Engine trails are more like "soda water ice".

    Mick, can you help with the relevant Contrailscience link? Ah, you did! LOL.
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  34. MikeC

    MikeC Senior Member

    Extreme Spotting is a site with at least half a dozen contributors that use telescopes to take photos of aircraft in a similar manner to Skystef

    the link is to the Polish language page - the English page doesn't weant to load its pictures for me for some reason - but I can still click on them to get the larger version such as this
  35. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

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  36. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Satellite views of airports are useful for demonstrating the relative sizes of planes, showing how hard it would be to say if two planes are at the same altitude:

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  37. justanairlinepilot

    justanairlinepilot Senior Member

    Not sure where I should post this but this is part of the issue with seeing more contrails in the skies, and possibly why chemtrail believers have suddenly seen a change in the skies.

    http://weber.ucsd.edu/~sjanusze/www/book_chapter_oct06.pdf

    It explains that regional jets have increase in volume dramatically, increasing total seat capacity and replacing turboprops.
    Simply put there are significantly more jets flying in the upper atmosphere since the mid-90s.

    If you decide to take a look, the meat of my point is near page 18, and in the graphs at the end.
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  38. Cairenn

    Cairenn Senior Member

    That is an excellent point and the 'chem trail' phobia did start about that time.
  39. Jay Reynolds

    Jay Reynolds Senior Member

    Many references by chemtrail advocates discuss lab analysis of rain water which is claimed to be evidence of someting being put into the atmosphere. Usually, the lab reports will show varying concentrations of elements found in the water with the units expressed in micrograms per liter, abbreviated ug/L.

    How much is an actual microgram, how can it be related to the average person?

    First, it means one millionth of a gram, 1/1,000,000 gram, or 0.0000010 gram.
    It takes 1000 micrograms to equal one milligram.

    What is a Liter? While most other countries regularly use liters, in the USA, most people are familiar with 2 liter soda pop bottles:

    Dr.-Pepper-2-Liter-Bottle.jpg

    How can the average person relate to a microgram per liter?

    Grains of Sand
    I have found a range of weight for an ordinary grain of sand is between 0.1 and 20 mg, with the main difference being that sand gain size and density. This is actually a very large range.

    Grains of Sugar
    I have found a range of weight for an average grain of sugar is between .02 mg and 0.625 mg. Still a very large range.

    Grains of salt.
    Around 0.1 mg

    Considering that here seems to be a large variation in these figures, by way of an example to err towards caution against overestimation, I will use the lower figure of 0.1 mg for these grains.

    0.1 mg equals 100 micrograms.

    So, when chemtrail advocates contend that any more than 1 microgram of some substance should be considered out of the ordinary, they are speaking about 1/100th of a grain of sand, salt, or sugar.

    If anyone actually has access to a device to measure these grains, I would appreciate learning what you find.
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  40. Steve Funk

    Steve Funk Senior Member

    Or one grain of salt in a 30 gallon trash can filled not quite full with water.

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