The Origins of AAWSAP

That would be Kellher contradicting himself. He is the lead author of Skinwalkers at the Pentagon, where the idea that AATIP was a cover name is confirmed. He wrote it along with Knapp, whom he had written Search for the Skinwalker previously, and Lacatski.

Lacatski would be in a better position to know, as he wrote and ran AAWSAP, while Kelleher ran BAASS out in Las Vegas, the prime contractor. He would know what BAASS was up to, but may not be as in the know about what Lacatski was doing back in Washington.
I thought about that, that it seemed odd to promote the book and contradict it, but I wasn't sure I remembered correctly.

My impression is that the AATIP that Kelleher is having in mind here is pretty much the AATIP Elizondo talked about in the beginning when he came out. Minus the Tictac. That is, space and UFOs in the sky. A program which fits very well with Stratton's background and not so well with Elizondo's.

Maybe AATIP was connected to AAWSAP, but involved USG secrets such as satellite data and so on, and therefor is classified. Dunno.
 
As @Mendel said, Kona Blue was a proposal for a SAP that was refused. It was never a federally (or state) funded program. If its proponents "continued" Kona Blue in their own time and with their own funds and resources, that was up to them. But if this is what happened, it's hard to distinguish it from a hobby or pastime that the participants called "Kona Blue".
I don't know how companies/ corporations, and not-for-profits/ NGOs are registered in the USA, but I'm not aware of a known private sector/ third sector/ academia-based UFO interest group called Kona Blue, and we know there wasn't a public sector/ USG Kona Blue.
I don't think they can just privatize a program easily, even if it didn't reach SAP status. Then I remembered that U.S. have something called FFRDCs. Maybe it was transferred into one of those. I'm not really familiar with what it is and how it works.

Btw, Lacatski makes an interesting name-drop in Skinwalkers at the Pentagon. After proposing private funding, he mentions, on page 198, Bigelow and Prince Hans Adam of Liechtenstein as exemplary funders. Possibly a breadcrumb, but I don't think the Prince would be able to fund a FFRDC, if that is the case.

Most likely, a private continuation of Kona Blue would be in spirit and personnel, not classified documentation and material from it and its precursors.

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When I think about it, maybe the whole chapter is a big bread crumb of what Kona Blue 2.0 could be. The book is written as a "what should we do in the future after AAWSAP/Kona Blue", but it is written like 10 years into that future.
 
I don't think they can just privatize a program easily, even if it didn't reach SAP status.

Kona Blue was a prospective special access program- a proposal. It was turned down. It was never a USG/ agency program, special access or otherwise.
"Prospective special access program" does not mean, in this case, an existing program waiting to get classified as a Special Access Program.
It couldn't be privatized in the sense of a government department or activity being privatized, because it didn't exist as a government/ federal agency department or program.

External Quote:
KONA BLUE was a Prospective Special Access Program (PSAP) that had been proposed to DHS leadership but was never approved or formally established. KONA BLUE never received any materials or funding... ...the Deputy Secretary of DHS disapproved KONA BLUE as a Special Access Program (SAP), and further directed its immediate termination [as a prospective special access program, John J.] citing concerns about the adequacy of justification for the program, and sufficiency of information central to the proposal development, including personnel and budget requirements. ...no data or material of any kind was ever transferred to or collected by DHS under the auspices of KONA BLUE.
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This archived PSAP proposal and associated documents have been declassified in partnership between DoD and DHS and are being released to the public in accordance with both agencies' commitment to transparency.
"History and Origin of KONA BLUE", The All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office https://www.aaro.mil/Portals/136/PD...History_and_Origin_of_KONA_BLUE_FINAL_508.pdf

In a response to Deputy Secretary of Defense Kathleen Hicks, the Department of Homeland Security (to whom the Kona Blue proposal was made) stated

External Quote:
All DHS documents associated with the KONA BLUE PSAP are declassified and approved for public release.
All pertinent DHS records have been searched and no additional information associated with the KONA BLUE PSAP has been discovered.
Department of Homeland Security letter to Deputy Secretary of Defense, 28 September 2023 https://www.aaro.mil/Portals/136/PDFs/UAP_RECORDS_RESEARCH/AARO_DHS_Kona_Blue.pdf, my emphasis.
The PDF contains the Kona Blue proposal (and was first posted here by Mick West in the thread Kona Blue - AARO Report on the Proposed AAWSAP Successor).
 
Maybe AATIP was connected to AAWSAP, but involved USG secrets such as satellite data and so on, and therefor is classified. Dunno.

Then we and everyone else wouldn't be talking about it. AATIP is always talked about in relation to UFOs and/or AAWSAP. Always. The people like Lacatski and Reid that set all this up, deliberately made it convoluted, from the original deceptive RFP to shopping sensor programs to DHS, that were really about UFOs and meta-materials. It was always a shell game to obfuscate Reid sending money to Bigelow to do dumb shit.

There is simple no reason to invoke other theories involving secret programs or GitMo. Even if Elizondo is disingenuous at best, his conflicting stories all still centered around UFOs. It's all about UFOs and always has been.

I don't think they can just privatize a program easily, even if it didn't reach SAP status. Then I remembered that U.S. have something called FFRDCs. Maybe it was transferred into one of those. I'm not really familiar with what it is and how it works.

Btw, Lacatski makes an interesting name-drop in Skinwalkers at the Pentagon. After proposing private funding, he mentions, on page 198, Bigelow and Prince Hans Adam of Liechtenstein as exemplary funders. Possibly a breadcrumb, but I don't think the Prince would be able to fund a FFRDC, if that is the case.

Most likely, a private continuation of Kona Blue would be in spirit and personnel, not classified documentation and material from it and its precursors.

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When I think about it, maybe the whole chapter is a big bread crumb of what Kona Blue 2.0 could be. The book is written as a "what should we do in the future after AAWSAP/Kona Blue", but it is written like 10 years into that future.

I think @Mendel made a good suggestion that Lacatski may have been referring to TTSA as the private carry on of what KONA BLUE was envisioned as. Bigelow had already funded a private sorta version of AAWSAP in the '90s called NIDS. The AWWSAP contract allowed him to start it up again with a lot more money and not his own.

TTSA was many of the same people, including Puthoff and Davis from both NIDS and AAWSAP/BAASS along with Elizondo and Mellon. By 2016 Bigelow was done with all of it, having sold Skinwalker Ranch and no longer a source of funding. I have to track down a claim that Puthoff was influential in getting real estate mogol Brandon Fugal to buy the Ranch from Bigelow when he lost interest. Maybe he saw Fugal as a source of funding?

In the end, Puthoff teamed up with ex-CIA Jim Semivan and punk-pop personality, Tom DeLong to found TTSA in 2017. Note this is right before Elizondo resigns and becomes Kean's primary source, along with possibly Mellon, for her NYT article. One could almost make a case for insider trading. Consider:

We know Puthoff, along with Davis, have been obsessed with getting their hands on meta-materials (crashed UFO parts) for years. BAASS was their government sponsored chance that didn't work out. Puthoff was involved, with Lacatski, in trying to sell KONA BLUE to DHS, which ended up including another attempt at getting meta-materials. That didn't work out. Lacatski retires in 2016, pretty much shutting the door on a government program.

Sometime in 2016 through 2017, Mellon is in contact with Elizondo and is working on his disclosure plan, that ultimately involved Leslie Kean. Mellon also seems to be associated with Puthoff and Davis as well. We know he bragged about sending these guys to ARRO in later years.

Puthoff, Semivan and DeLong found TTSA in 2017 as a public benefit company and in September of that year they offer stock:

External Quote:

The company was founded in 2017 as a public benefit corporation by Jim Semivan, Harold E. Puthoff, and Tom DeLonge.[2][4] The Entertainment Division was created by acquiring DeLonge's previous media company, To the Stars, Inc.[4][5]

In September 2017, the company began offering $50 million worth of public stock through a Regulation A+ equity crowdfunding campaign.[4][
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_The_Stars_Inc.

So, they founded a public company all about UFOs and meta-materials just as their buddy Mellon is setting up Kean and Elizondo to write an article about the governments involvement in UFOs. They offer stock 1 month before Elizondo, the supposed head of the government's official UFO program, is going to resign, spill the beans and join TTSA. Sounds like a great investment opportunity. Hmmm.

As Puthoff had hoped, TTSA did acquire some supposed meta-materials and while it was just some of Art's Parts, Elizondo did manage to get a CRADA contract with the Army for research.

In the end, it was all a bust. Elizondo appeared in some minor UFO TV shows produced by TTSA but Art's Pars turned out to be just that, bits of junk that did not come from a crashed UFO. Nevertheless, TTSA was a private attempt to carry out what the creators of KONA BLUE tried to accomplish.

As for Lacatski leaving "bread crumbs" about possible funding, I doubt it. As I noted in the OP, Skinwalkers at the Pentagon is written in an almost juvenile tone reminiscent of men's adventure magazines like Fate. Something Knapp probably grew up reading before becoming a journalism major at UOP. He went on to be a TV reporter and really made his name with interviews of John Lear and Bob Lazar and their wild UFO claims. I figure Knapp, or a ghost writer associated with him, actually put the words on the page, while Kelleher and Lacatski provided the information. It's his bombastic, noir and adventure driven style. As such, I doubt there's a lot of secret Easter eggs and clues to other things. It is what it is.
 
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