Sandy Hook: Professor James. F Tracy, justification of criticism

MikeG

Senior Member.

I thought that this excerpt from the article was interesting. [emphasis mine]

I may have said it before, but there is always some confusion between academic freedom, free speech, and responsible speech. That last quality is an important part of the debate, beyond the collective bargaining agreement (which Tracy violated) or due process concerns.

Academics have rules to follow, especially ones that pertain to handling claims and evidence. Tracy was bound by those rules. Sidestepping that core obligation distracts from his departure from professional standards.
 

deirdre

Senior Member.
I thought that this excerpt from the article was interesting. [emphasis mine]

I may have said it before, but there is always some confusion between academic freedom, free speech, and responsible speech. That last quality is an important part of the debate, beyond the collective bargaining agreement (which Tracy violated) or due process concerns.

Academics have rules to follow, especially ones that pertain to handling claims and evidence. Tracy was bound by those rules. Sidestepping that core obligation distracts from his departure from professional standards.

I agree with all that. I dont think his "Sandy Hook research" qualifies in anyway as "academic research" because it is bunk to the max. Certainly not "PhD" quality!

But that aside, I'd like to point out to readers that the termination letter says the "Provost" first asked him for paperwork November 10th- a full month before the Pozner article came out. I'm pointing this out specifically only because the Hoax Culture is fixated on the Pozner article as the reason for his termination.

Although, it is possible the request for documentation had to do with his book "Nobody died at SH". As i pointed out earlier, that book states his college affiliation and in no way has a disclaimer that his views are not representative of the University..something he was warned about in the past.

She also mentions him 'promoting' other materials he did not disclose (which could be his book as he does promote it publicly).

So that would indicate a connection to SH. But Tracy writes about all sorts of things (i dont follow because its Jade Helm/zionist type stuff i dont understand), so unless he goes through with the lawsuit..wrongful termination..which i believe he will, we wont know for sure the specific details behind their thoughts.

It IS interesting to me that the University let him slide 3 years without submitting disclosure! It is well documented they were aware he engaged in external activist work.

Either way, i think the letter is pretty specific his termination due to insubordination and not providing appropriate paperwork. They seriously lucked out that Tracy didn't just submit the paperwork (although the book/FAU linked still may have gotten him fired. ?)
 

marcus112

Member
I agree with all that. I dont think his "Sandy Hook research" qualifies in anyway as "academic research" because it is bunk to the max. Certainly not "PhD" quality!

But that aside, I'd like to point out to readers that the termination letter says the "Provost" first asked him for paperwork November 10th- a full month before the Pozner article came out. I'm pointing this out specifically only because the Hoax Culture is fixated on the Pozner article as the reason for his termination.

Although, it is possible the request for documentation had to do with his book "Nobody died at SH". As i pointed out earlier, that book states his college affiliation and in no way has a disclaimer that his views are not representative of the University..something he was warned about in the past.

She also mentions him 'promoting' other materials he did not disclose (which could be his book as he does promote it publicly).

So that would indicate a connection to SH. But Tracy writes about all sorts of things (i dont follow because its Jade Helm/zionist type stuff i dont understand), so unless he goes through with the lawsuit..wrongful termination..which i believe he will, we wont know for sure the specific details behind their thoughts.

It IS interesting to me that the University let him slide 3 years without submitting disclosure! It is well documented they were aware he engaged in external activist work.

Either way, i think the letter is pretty specific his termination due to insubordination and not providing appropriate paperwork. They seriously lucked out that Tracy didn't just submit the paperwork (although the book/FAU linked still may have gotten him fired. ?)
'They seriously lucked out' [...] accurately reflects the disengenuos nature of [you]. [...]. His opinon is valid and is acceptable wherever it's posited, and everyone one of you [...] people have only [given your] opinions in the name of knowing who's right and who's wrong and what qualifies as bunk, crazy theories, and every other demeaning aassertion based on your [...] logic and opinions. [Do] you think you can claim his opinion re: Sandy Hook, Boston or any other event , is wrong but your opinion on the issues is correct and that means shit to anyone? You use your [...], baseless opinion to declare his opinions are wrong, not realizing that a hypocrite would blush if he heard you make a foolish claim such as that.

To you @MikeG , since you boldly assert the importance of an academic using 'responsible speech', how about you providing for us a definitive, widely accepted explanation for the meaning of, or definition of,.......... 'responsible speech'.

I will stand with Mr Tracy [...]

mod edit: just fixed the tag to @MikeG
Admin edit: Politness fixes.
 
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Mick West

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@marcus112, your post has been edited by me for politeness. You have posted here before, and you know that politeness is required. If you read your edited post you will see the content and questions are intact. There's nothing to stop you from communicating in a polite and factual manner.

This will be your only warning. Please be polite, or you will no longer be allowed to post here.
 

MikeG

Senior Member.
"To you @MikeG , since you boldly assert the importance of an academic using 'responsible speech', how about you providing for us a definitive, widely accepted explanation for the meaning of, or definition of,.......... 'responsible speech'."


Good to hear from you Marcus.

I doubt that I will find a "definitive, widely accepted explanation for the meaning of, or definition of,.......... 'responsible speech'."

I can offer language that governs the idea for academics, which hopefully keeps this discussion focused.

As a starting point, I am including Article 2 (Academic Freedom) of my own faculty collective bargaining agreement. The emphasis is mine.

http://www.apscuf.com/members/contract/2011-2015-faculty-cba


In the case of James Tracy, his contract covers “Academic Freedom and Responsibility” under Article 5 of the collective bargaining agreement. I am attaching a copy for your reference.


So, as far as a "definitive, widely accepted explanation," a few things apply. Most of these are common sense rather than, as you say, "bold" assertions.

First, people are entitled to their opinions. I don't think anyone here at Metabunk or anywhere will contest that.

Second, people are not entitled to facts. Facts are not the same as opinions. That is where this discussion seems to be breaking down. Tracy is welcome to his opinions, but has to be responsible about using his facts.

I welcome further discussion on this topic.
 

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MikeG

Senior Member.
Thanks to Deidre for finding this article from the Palm Beach Post.

http://www.mypalmbeachpost.com/news/news/fired-fau-professor-james-tracy-drops-union-funded/np7Y9/

Generally, union attorneys specialize in labor law as it specifically applies to their collective bargaining agreement. They have the best sense as to whether or not faculty have a viable case or not. Most faculty tend to listen to their lawyers, but this is not a regular case, or client for that matter.
 

Hevach

Senior Member.
He did drop the lawyer, rather than the other way around. If the lawyer dropped him, that would pretty much mean he doesn't have a case and the union's hanging him out to dry.

He could have been doing this preemptively to avoid the perception created by a union lawyer refusing the case, but it could also mean that the lawyer thought he might have a case, but made clear it had to be a different case than Tracy wanted to make. That is, the lawyer basically told him, "You've got to STFU on all this Sandy Hook nonsense or you're going to be laughed out of court," but perhaps Tracy wants exactly that (i.e. "fired for opinions that weren't shared by my superiors") to be his case.
 

MikeG

Senior Member.
He did drop the lawyer, rather than the other way around. If the lawyer dropped him, that would pretty much mean he doesn't have a case and the union's hanging him out to dry.

He could have been doing this preemptively to avoid the perception created by a union lawyer refusing the case, but it could also mean that the lawyer thought he might have a case, but made clear it had to be a different case than Tracy wanted to make. That is, the lawyer basically told him, "You've got to STFU on all this Sandy Hook nonsense or you're going to be laughed out of court," but perhaps Tracy wants exactly that (i.e. "fired for opinions that weren't shared by my superiors") to be his case.

That could be. Hopefully, we will see what his legal strategy will be in the next few weeks or months.
 

MikeG

Senior Member.
This article recently appeared on Memory Hole. It looks like Tracy will be going with the free speech argument.

http://memoryholeblog.com/2016/02/20/the-subtle-mechanics-of-unfree-speech-revisted/
 

MikeG

Senior Member.
I found an interesting article from Deanna Spingola about James Tracy.

http://spingola.com/JamesTracy.html


Granted, I did not know Spingola’s background, but I followed her sources instead.


It appears that Tracy was president of the faculty union at FAU, the United Faculty of Florida (UFF).

Some of his official statements can be found at the UFF-FAU website.

http://uff-fau.org/uff-fau-presiden...sider-colleges-reorganization-and-leadership/

This is all interesting because as the faculty union president, Tracy had an intimate understanding of his collective bargaining agreement and university policies.

It also follows that Tracy would also understand the meaning of “potential, actual, or perceived conflicts of commitment or interest.”

These may have included not only his work on the Memory Hole blog, but also his fundraising on the blog itself.

The bottom line is that, regardless of his ongoing claims, Tracy's firing has nothing to do with free speech at FAU.

And he was probably one of the faculty at FAU who knew that best.
 

marcus112

Member
'They seriously lucked out' [...] accurately reflects the disengenuos nature of [you]. [...]. His opinon is valid and is acceptable wherever it's posited, and everyone one of you [...] people have only [given your] opinions in the name of knowing who's right and who's wrong and what qualifies as bunk, crazy theories, and every other demeaning aassertion based on your [...] logic and opinions. [Do] you think you can claim his opinion re: Sandy Hook, Boston or any other event , is wrong but your opinion on the issues is correct and that means shit to anyone? You use your [...], baseless opinion to declare his opinions are wrong, not realizing that a hypocrite would blush if he heard you make a foolish claim such as that.

To you @MikeG , since you boldly assert the importance of an academic using 'responsible speech', how about you providing for us a definitive, widely accepted explanation for the meaning of, or definition of,.......... 'responsible speech'.

I will stand with Mr Tracy [...]

mod edit: just fixed the tag to @MikeG
Admin edit: Politness fixes.
I apologize re:impoliteness/language.............
 

Tobes

Member
In the feud between Tracy and the Pozners, Tracy is accusing the Pozners of faking their son's death to profit from charitable donations. And he makes these accusations without a shred of evidence.
Now, I know people have done a scam where they claim their child has cancer or some other serious illness for that purpose, but has anyone ever faked a child's death, perhaps, as Tracy suggests, creating a fictional child for that purpose?
I guess there's nothing new under the sun, but I have a hard time figuring out how or why anyone of reasonable intelligence would do such a thing. It seems like it would be so easy to get caught. Somebody, a neighbor, a distant relative, a teacher, another kid at the school would speak up and tell everyone that the couple never had kids or they never saw that kid before in their life.
I just don't think people do that and I doubt anyone ever has, but I could be wrong.
 

Tobes

Member
How have his rights to free speech been compromised? He still has his blog. He's appearing on talk shows.

And libel, which is what he is doing when he accuses Lenny Pozner of some very serious crimes without a shred of evidence to back up his accusations, is not protected speech.
 

MikeG

Senior Member.
How have his rights to free speech been compromised? He still has his blog. He's appearing on talk shows.

And libel, which is what he is doing when he accuses Lenny Pozner of some very serious crimes without a shred of evidence to back up his accusations, is not protected speech.

I think that he is talking about his free speech rights when he was faculty. If you go back and look at his termination letter, the circumstances involved have nothing to do with free speech.

It is a shame that he decided to include his own union in the lawsuit. It is likely he decided that they were in collusion with the university when his union lawyer could not produce Tracy's desired outcome.

I am curious to see what a judge says once Tracy has to produce evidence of his claims.
 

Mick West

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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-reg-james-tracy-fau-closings-20171208-story.html
 

NoParty

Senior Member.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-reg-james-tracy-fau-closings-20171208-story.html
Ah, I was overdue for a "feel good" story. :)
 
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