Latoya Ammons - A Real Life Demonic Possession?

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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...details-are-almost-too-horrifying-to-believe/

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2014/01/25/the-disposession-of-latoya-ammons/4892553/
 
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Pics, or it didn't happen.
Look in the window thats a police photo . Supposedly there were many witnesses including a social worker . Beck said he was going to send Penn Jilette to Investigate being he is a skeptic .Thats the reason I posted it here since most here are skeptics . I agree I have a hard time believing it as well but so far nobody has proven otherwise . Ill update as more info comes out .
 

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You'd think if the police saw a demon at the window they would investigate.

Generally cases like these are just the family, and most often just the kids, or one kid, fooling gullible investigators. Hidden cameras often reveal what is going on.
 

Mick West

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You wouldn't accept the sworn testimony of a social worker or police officer . . . not saying there is any such testimony but just asking?

What someone said they saw, and what they actually saw, are very different things.

They claim physical things happened, and yet nobody recorded any of them in any way?

Sorry, but it's just vastly more likely that Ammons and the kids were mentally ill and/or faking it, than all of known science being thrown out the window.

There's no actual physical evidence here. None at all. Just theatrics.
 

George B

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What someone said they saw, and what they actually saw, are very different things.

They claim physical things happened, and yet nobody recorded any of them in any way?

Sorry, but it's just vastly more likely that Ammons and the kids were mentally ill and/or faking it, than all of known science being thrown out the window.

There's no actual physical evidence here. None at all. Just theatrics.
I get your point . . . however, I have two interesting first hand testimonies from separate sources regarding demonic activity and I have a hard time dismissing them . . . and yes I have no photographic evidence . . .
 
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What someone said they saw, and what they actually saw, are very different things.

They claim physical things happened, and yet nobody recorded any of them in any way?

Sorry, but it's just vastly more likely that Ammons and the kids were mentally ill and/or faking it, than all of known science being thrown out the window.

There's no actual physical evidence here. None at all. Just theatrics.
Im sure its fake . But?
 

Mick West

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Im sure its fake . But?

But maybe the supernatural is real, even though there's no real evidence for it? Sure.

But debunking is about the evidence, not the theories. There's really no evidence here to debunk. All I can do is point out the lack of evidence.
 

Mark Barrington

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That's a very vague outline in that window. It looks like a leftover halloween skeleton cutout, maybe:



without a more closeup picture, no way to tell what it actually is. It could be anything with that basic shape, or a reflection or imperfections in the glass.
 

George B

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But maybe the supernatural is real, even though there's no real evidence for it? Sure.

But debunking is about the evidence, not the theories. There's really no evidence here to debunk. All I can do is point out the lack of evidence.
That is why the supernatural (demonic possession) and more specifically demonic issues falls under the auspice of religion and more specifically the Catholic Church . . . they maintain a protocol for exorcism and tests to determine if exorcism is warranted . . .
 

George B

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Back in the mid 1990s I worked near St Louis, Mo. a close friend of my wife and I was the executive secretary for the Provost of St Louis University . . . when she first came to work there she was taken to the fourth floor of the building she worked in and told that it was the portion of her building that was connected to the original case that inspired the movie The Exorcist . . . and that there were such anomalies experienced there that is could not be used for offices or any other purpose and to avoid it . . . things like paint not adhering to the walls and ceiling . . . electrical circuits not working properly or at all , strange noises, smells and very cold temperatures even in the middle of the summer . . . It was permanently locked and off limits to everyone . . . below you find some I found about this issue . . .

On further research I found that this may have been in error because the Hospital was torn down well before my friend's employment but the hospital had many sections and some portion may have remained and used by the university as administrative offices . . .or they were completely in error . . . Never-the-less, this seems to be an example of once people are told anything about demonic activity existing . . . it takes on a life of its own . . . even when many inaccuracies and errors would invalidate their recollections. . .

 
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I had a colleague for 3 1/2 years who was an exorcist - he regularly banished demons from his congregation of fundy christians. He was (and still is probably) a nice guy.

We had interesting conversations, and fundamental disagreements about the nature of possession - I used to call it depression and epilepsy......
 

Trigger Hippie

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Women's panties? I'm not surprised the priest believes Satan is involved.
 

Bruno D.

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The DCS report is here:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1004899-intake-officers-report.html

I read through it and unfortunately the main witnesses are the mother, grandmother and the 3 kids. Some bizarre things seems to have happened at the hospital or at the presence of the priest, but very few witnesses again.

Although my personal belief is that this story is impossible, there is not enough evidence to prove if it's real, fake or a case of mass hysteria.

There is one particular claim of evidence that says:
It would be interesting to find out what these people have to say.
 

Trigger Hippie

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Geez, this story went from mildly amusing to a heartbreaking very quickly. From the report...

The cop and priest should be ashamed of themselves for perpetuating this nonsense.
 
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I suffer from an anxiety disorder which causes me, at times, to experience very tangible hallucinations. As I watch, read and draw a lot of horror-centric things, my delusions often involve things creeping about in the dark, demonic or disfigured apparitions rushing towards me and agonized screams. Thankfully due to medication and counseling I am at a more stable point in my life but the point is, at the time those things appear real. I have no doubt that if I wasn't a generally rational and skeptical person I would attribute these attacks to some outside source.

I am a firm believer that these types of reports (when not intentionally fabricated) are simply internal phenomena which are externalized due to the way the mind falters at the time. Unfortunately, it is all too easy to get caught up in someones altered sense of reality if you have some kind of emotional bond with that person.
 

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George B

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I suffer from an anxiety disorder which causes me, at times, to experience very tangible hallucinations. As I watch, read and draw a lot of horror-centric things, my delusions often involve things creeping about in the dark, demonic or disfigured apparitions rushing towards me and agonized screams. Thankfully due to medication and counseling I am at a more stable point in my life but the point is, at the time those things appear real. I have no doubt that if I wasn't a generally rational and skeptical person I would attribute these attacks to some outside source.

I am a firm believer that these types of reports (when not intentionally fabricated) are simply internal phenomena which are externalized due to the way the mind falters at the time. Unfortunately, it is all too easy to get caught up in someones altered sense of reality if you have some kind of emotional bond with that person.
Interesting? Do you think it is possible suggestion is enough to explain all of your experiences . . . when I play golf I have many times followed the flight of my ball and swear it continued past a point many yards past where I find it . . . thus my mind is filling in what I want, expect or fear has happened but reality turns out very different . . .
 

Trigger Hippie

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Unfortunately, it is all too easy to get caught up in someones altered sense of reality if you have some kind of emotional bond with that person.

Thanks for sharing. I can see how the children could get caught up in the mother's delusions. I can't say the same for the police officer.
 
Interesting? Do you think it is possible suggestion is enough to explain all of your experiences . . . when I play golf I have many times followed the flight of my ball and swear it continued past a point many yards past where I find it . . . thus my mind is filling in what I want, expect or fear has happened but reality turns out very different . . .
Sorry if I'm reading this wrong George but are you asking is the types of things I see are soley because of my interests? If so then no I don't but I believe it heavily flavours the way my brain interprets it. We're all products of our environment so everything feeds into everything else in some manner. Your golf anecdote is probably a little wishful thinking combined with the way your brain calculates trajectories... Or a super power...
By the same token, many who report severe haunting phenomena have a religious background or an interest in the supernatural.
 
Thanks for sharing. I can see how the children could get caught up in the mother's delusions. I can't say the same for the police officer.
Providing he wasn't complicit, that's the puzzling part. Could the family have deceived him or perhaps there was a genuinely unsettling atmosphere there which led to a group delusion? Really not sure.
 

JRBids

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I agree I have a hard time believing it as well but so far nobody has proven otherwise . Ill update as more info comes out .

Are you saying you'd believe anything you hear unless someone PROVES otherwise? Give me an example of something that would be too far out for even Joe to believe. :rolleyes:
 

deirdre

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Providing he wasn't complicit, that's the puzzling part. Could the family have deceived him or perhaps there was a genuinely unsettling atmosphere there which led to a group delusion? Really not sure.
personally I think its a lot LESS unsettling if we go with the demon theory!
 

George B

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Sorry if I'm reading this wrong George but are you asking is the types of things I see are soley because of my interests? If so then no I don't but I believe it heavily flavours the way my brain interprets it. We're all products of our environment so everything feeds into everything else in some manner. Your golf anecdote is probably a little wishful thinking combined with the way your brain calculates trajectories... Or a super power...
By the same token, many who report severe haunting phenomena have a religious background or an interest in the supernatural.
I agree those people who have strong religious or spiritual leanings expect some manifestation of the spiritual world and maybe this influences or enhances their expectations . . . the brain is very susceptible to suggestion especially in groups of like minded individuals . . .
 
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