Jake Barber tells Ross Coulthart about non-human technology - The "Egg"

[FatPhil]

Yes, you got me exactly right.

You didn't quite get what I meant. Maybe I've just been inactive here for too long for my perspective to be taken for granted. But looking back at the start of this thread might clear things up.

@all Treat my post as a note on something I'd bet a lot of money on. It may not unfold exactly in this form, but with the built‑in dramaturgy of the whole thing, I'm expecting some pretty 'dramatic' developments along these lines very soon. Be prepared ;-)

Refractory periods exist almost everywhere. If the ufotainment machine has been relatively quiet for a while, their publicity-tropism will tell them that something needs to be released. And they'll find something, therefore it will need to be released.

 

[John J.]

Spring 2026 feels spot on, with AARO results, NDAA hearings, and a Trump administration push potentially thrusting Barber into a blockbuster hearing – the kind of jolt the scene desperately needs, assuming AARO delivers and protections hold.

I won't pretend to have any detailed knowledge of US domestic politics, but I'm not sure that any hearings pushed for by the current administration would deliver a sensible investigation or rational assessment of UFO claims.

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

Yes, you got me exactly right.

You didn't quite get what I meant. Maybe I've just been inactive here for too long for my perspective to be taken for granted. But looking back at the start of this thread might clear things up.

@all Treat my post as a note on something I'd bet a lot of money on. It may not unfold exactly in this form, but with the built‑in dramaturgy of the whole thing, I'm expecting some pretty 'dramatic' developments along these lines very soon. Be prepared ;-)

I still can't tell what you're getting at. Are you anticipating a dramatic new storyline? By that , I mean something like a pro-wrestling storyline? Fake but entertaining for the Fans. Full of surprises and drama and heel-turns... because the current act is getting stale?

Or are you saying the time is ripe for a real "Disclosure"? They'll dig something up out of the government vaults...

 

[Mendel]

@all Treat my post as a note on something I'd bet a lot of money on.

$10 on 'AARO Whistleblower Speaks Up' (but does not provide any exciting evidence), that's my outside bet.

$5 on the Tedescos finding yet another anomalous phenomenon while half of their equipment is off and they're looking in the wrong direction
$5 on the scientist group that used 'if there's a random event at the same time, it's aliens' to make their results more exciting, they may do something similar again.
$2 on Avi Loeb coming up with a novel way to be wrong
$5 on Graves sharing yet another encounter with white pixels in the sky
$20 on yet another drone scare (though most agencies are aware now, CBP seem to not have got the memo)

Metamaterials are largely played out because it's hard to introduce one nowadays without proper provenance.
If Elizondo shares yet another picture someone handed to him, expect jolliness; though I think that's why he won't.

Also, the time may be right for a well-executed hoax.

But yeah, generally what has been playing well is "Government Insider Tells It Like It Is". (no evidence)

 

[JMartJr]

I wonder if we are due for a good old fashioned UFO flap? Or have drone flaps just totally taken over that space?

 

[NorCal Dave]

Note the qualifying "if protected".

Totally agree, that line jumped out at me as well. Thinking about it, Grusch had no problem going before Congress and saying whatever he wanted. Congress wants stories and isn't all that interested in evidence, or maybe more accurately, some of them think of stories AS evidence. But one is still under oath before Congress. Grusch and others can tell their stories, and as long as they profess to believe them to be true, no harm. They can be sharing false stories that they believe to be true, so it's not lying to Congress.

In Barber's case, things could get a little tricky. I think almost all of these hearings begin with credentialing the witness. The witness highlights their background in the military, intelligence, aerospace and other fields that make their testimony compelling. Grusch talked about his legitimate background at the NRO and the UAP Task Force. But Barber's time in the Air Force is a bit murky, at least as presented on Couthart's show.

As discussed up thread, it's known that Barber was a mechanic who worked on aircraft, maybe some of the Air Force Special Ops aircraft like the HH-60 Pave Hawk. Coulthart insinuates that Barber was an Air Force Special Ops Forward Controller and a helicopter pilot, something completely different from a mechanic. Barber in turn, kinda nods along and suggests being in the Special Ops, he was assigned a mechanics role as his "cover".

None of that makes any sense. As an enlisted person, it seems highly unlikely he would have been a pilot, as Air Force pilots are officers. And pilots are not Forward Controllers. Had he actually become a Forward Controller, which is a grueling 2 year commitment both by him and the Air Force, he would have been just that, a Forward Controller. Why waste all that training to then go and learn to be a competent aircraft mechanic as a "cover story" and serve as a mechanic?

Coulthart doesn't care one way or another, he's just looking for a story and trying to parse what Barber actually did in the Air Force makes for fine fodder here on a forum, but under oath before Congress, it's gets a bit tricky.

 

[Mendel]

In Barber's case, things could get a little tricky. I think almost all of these hearings begin with credentialing the witness. The witness highlights their background in the military, intelligence, aerospace and other fields that make their testimony compelling. Grusch talked about his legitimate background at the NRO and the UAP Task Force. But Barber's time in the Air Force is a bit murky, at least as presented on Couthart's show.

Yeah, but his background isn't really material to the subject of the hearing. They won't care, and he won't be in jeopardy if he fudges a little on his bio.

Grusch's Congress testimony was such a nothingburger precisely because he had to stick to the facts, which revealed that most of what he had was unconfirmed hearsay. He pulled the SCIF card to distract from his lack of actual witnessing, but we know his SCIF interview didn't amount to much, either.

 

[Nemon]

I still can't tell what you're getting at. Are you anticipating a dramatic new storyline? By that , I mean something like a pro-wrestling storyline? Fake but entertaining for the Fans. Full of surprises and drama and heel-turns... because the current act is getting stale?

Or are you saying the time is ripe for a real "Disclosure"? They'll dig something up out of the government vaults...

@all
I never would have thought that I could be misunderstood to this extent. I am not assuming in the slightest that this time there will be more to it than on all the previous occasions. But it does feel like something is in the air, and there is a kind of built‑in mechanism in the scene that now almost inevitably will be triggered again. It's been quiet for too long since Grusch moved back into the second row.

The UFO business now needs another really big thing - an appearance that goes around the world, ideally once again in front of Congress. That usually comes as a coordinated effort involving the familiar protagonists, proponents, and networks. After Barber and his 'recon team' disappeared into the desert, quite some time passed, and Weaponized can barely keep the flame alive anymore with their blurry little video snippets.

I found myself asking, 'Whatever happened to Jake Barber?' - and that's how I arrived at the idea that the large-scale staging I'm expecting in spring 2026 will revolve around him. I could be wrong, but I do assume that something is being prepared.

To be clear once again: no, I do not assume that this time it has real substance. But we also have to remain open and stick to the principle that everything that can be tested should actually be tested, rather than falling into the comfort of prejudging everything. (I don't think that risk is particularly acute here; there are too many people actually thinking in a factual and critical way.)

What we may have to be prepared for is that a large amount of material has been generated, and that the documentation will be more extensive and more precise than in all the previous chance finds. Whether what Barber produces will just hover around Skinwalker-level ambiguity remains to be seen. But I do assume that it will be more complex than before.

P. S.:
I don't know if the recent little disclosure initiative with Lara Trump was a trial balloon on this matter or independent of it. But is it conceivable that they managed to foist it upon him as something to champion?

 

[NoParty]

I wonder if we are due for a good old fashioned UFO flap? Or have drone flaps just totally taken over that space?

Who needs UFOs anymore, when 12 bucks can can get you 100 "orbs" ?

 

[Dave51c]

Or are you saying the time is ripe for a real "Disclosure"?

Some will say the upcoming movie 'Disclosure' is a documentary in disguise.

That usually comes as a coordinated effort involving the familiar protagonists, proponents, and networks. After Barber and his 'recon team' disappeared into the desert, quite some time passed, and Weaponized can barely keep the flame alive anymore with their blurry little video snippets.

I'm wondering if the rate of return on all of this effort is too low to sustain motivation, or simply that some of the protagonists are bored. Those in the target audience who are more on the fence may just have moved on from the BS that has been presented so far. Of course, the die hards will still be there, but maybe in smaller numbers as some see the over-hyped blurry pixel announcements as harming their movement - esp. with the comical debunks of reflected lampshades etc.

You do make a valid point that the next version will have to up the ante and try and keep ahead of the robust and diligent debunking we see here and the tools that are being developed. Whilst I do think most members of UFO industrial complex (UIC) are at least shameless publicity egotists or at most deeply delusional, I'd like to think they have some sensitivity to public opinion and marketing feedback. Or perhaps I'm just naive.

 

[FatPhil]

$10 on 'AARO Whistleblower Speaks Up' (but does not provide any exciting evidence), that's my outside bet.
[snip - effective dittos]

In order for those to be real bets you need a counterparty. "Outside"? That's odds on, eventually. Anyway, if you find a sucker, I'm in 50% with you.

 

[Chief Gleeby]

I still can't tell what you're getting at. Are you anticipating a dramatic new storyline? By that , I mean something like a pro-wrestling storyline? Fake but entertaining for the Fans. Full of surprises and drama and heel-turns... because the current act is getting stale?

In that respect the UFO scene is a lot like most Pro-Wrestling, way too focused on immediate 'big' or 'shocking' moments rather than long-term storytelling!

 

[Mendel]

In order for those to be real bets you need a counterparty. "Outside"? That's odds on, eventually. Anyway, if you find a sucker, I'm in 50% with you.

I see I've been caught out by the English language. I meant a bet with an outside chance. I was trying to guess at something unprecedented, as opposed to my other items.

 

[JMartJr]

You do make a valid point that the next version will have to up the ante and try and keep ahead of the robust and diligent debunking we see here and the tools that are being developed. Whilst I do think most members of UFO industrial complex (UIC) are at least shameless publicity egotists or at most deeply delusional, I'd like to think they have some sensitivity to public opinion and marketing feedback. Or perhaps I'm just naive.

Upping the ante will be tricky. Previously (historically) they've gone from seeing disks in the sky but shunning landing and occupant cases to accepting occupant claims but shunning abductions, to embracing abductions but drawing the line at contactees with their repeated journeys with and messages from our UFO brothers.

UFOlogy has now split a bit between the scifi and fantasy wings, if I may call them that, the folks who tell stories of "nuts and bolts" spacecraft and their real biologically derived aliens from other planets, and those who prefer mystic beings from another dimension who aren't really of this Universe and may bot even be material. There is some overlap, and at the moment the current wave of Big UFO promoters seem to have shifted the ground back towards the scifi camp,while the fantasy folks are sidelined a bit,making YouTube videos of themselves "channeling" UFO beings and demonstrating their mastery of "light speech" glossolalia.


Source: https://youtu.be/WZzUvd3IArA


Nobody wants to sit through all of this, and much of it is filler, but note:
The first 19 seconds which pretty well sums up the whole thing
11:59 where she ties the whole "speaking to aliens" thing very strongly to other New Age woo (but she does have a nice cat, so give her points for that...)
15:30 Where her friends is "activated" and also learns to speak gibberish

(It looks like the scifi UFO crowd has largely ceded the Contactee Space to the fantasy folks, maybe they'll try to get it back? From politeness, I will not name names but there are a few of them that I could see trying to go down that path.)

So I am not sure if there is much ante left to be upped. Assuming that the clear videos of a space UFO flying right beside a military jet that they have talked about do not exist (I think this is a safe assumption, but am open to being proven wrong) they have taken the "leaked video" thing as far as it can go -- all UFOs will be in the LIZ, and we've seen that and it is an old trick now. Unless they want to try to fool us (or are themselves fooled by) increasingly sophisticated AI fakery, I am not sure where the current round of promoters on the scifi side have left to go.

So I'll offer a counter prediction. We've seen interest in the topic wax and wane over the years -- has it now waxed about as far as it can, and will it now unavoidably wane as the act gets stale and no proof of anything can be provided, to go back to lurking in the collective backwaters of culture until this is all somewhat forgotten by most folks and a new surge of interest can be created? UFOlogy is all sizzle, and never any steak, and you can only sell sizzle for so long...

Side thought: The existence of the Skinwalker Ranch mindset at least gives the proponents a new memeplex they can move into, as they can roll over into dinobeavers, skinwalkers and cryptozoology to keep the ad revenue and speakers fees coming. So perhaps the "next big thing" isn't all that big, it's just a quiet movinng-on from UFOs to another adjacent flavor of woo where (they would hope) Mick West and his jolly band of debunkers will have a harder time determinning and exposing what is the ground truth behind the claims of nonsense. How can Sitrec cope with a dinobeaver sighting?

 

[Mendel]

How can Sitrec cope with a dinobeaver sighting?

Is dinobeaver the PC name for Bigfoot?

 

[deirdre]

Is dinobeaver the PC name for Bigfoot?

no. if they saw a hairy man come out of the wormhole, the guys on the hill would have just assumed it was Billy Bob from down the street or one of the maintenance guys.

 

[Ann K]

Note the qualifying "if protected".

That line does double duty. It not only allows the speaker to get off the hook, but also sets up the narrative that they NEED protection from the unnamed "them", because "you can't trust the government".

 

[Nemon]

How can Sitrec cope with a dinobeaver sighting?

That's probably also why interdimensional psionics and non‑human biologics were introduced into our version of reality. They're raising the bar step by step.

 

[NorCal Dave]

That's probably also why interdimensional psionics and non‑human biologics were introduced into our version of reality. They're raising the bar step by step.

Agreed, but that can also go down the Inter-dimensional Bigfoot path. For many, Bigfoot has gone from a relic flesh and bone hominid roaming North America to a quasi-spirit being, or at least a creature that lives in another dimension. This shift seems obvious, giving the complete lack of any physical evidence for relic hominids running around in sufficient numbers to maintain a viable breeding population. No physical evidence is explained by Bigfoot's limited physicality. Here is a bit of post I shared on another thread. It's from a Bigfoot guy on Facebook, with 4k followers, describing a single physical foot print that just "appeared":

Apparently I'm now documenting foot growth on two Sasquatch family members. This is Ninyanin. He's a young male in his mid-teens in the family. Has a 14 inch footprint. This appeared beside us in real time. There was nothing but a fresh blanket of clean snow, no prints, no tire tracks, nothing. Then two prints show while we're standing there.

Despite having names and family affiliations, the physical presence of the Bigfoot in question is limited to 1 magical footprint because:

Sasquatch are interdimensional, FACT.

They can give physical contact, prints, vocals and much more from that invisible state. They choose to show their prints and that can be one or many, whatever they want to show. They choose when to manifest their full physical presence and for the most part they're not visible. This is how they stay safe. They're hunted by military. They have learned how our true reality operates and how to manipulate that to their advantage to keep their people safe.

At least in this guy's version of Bigfoot, it's existence is completely unfalsifiable. One can simply claim any random footprint or sound or shadow or whatever is evidence of Bigfoot and any questioning of the claim is explained away by inter-dimensional Bigfoot's ability to "...choose when to manifest their full physical presence". Evidence of Bigfoot is whatever this guy says it is.

To be sure, the Skinwalker Ranch crowd has been blending UFOs with the paranormal and other fringe stuff for years. While working with BAASS, Hal Puthoff restarted his old "remote viewing" experiments and Elizondo has claimed Puthoff helped him with his "remote viewing" abilities. Grusch claims UFO are inter-dimensional. Chris Bledose claims God tells him when UFO/angles will appear. We've noted in other threads that the content at the big UFO conference, Contact in the Desert, is over 50% new age and paranormal.

Like the Bigfoot guy above, the more UFOs become non-physical, inter-dimensional entities with the ability to manifest their physicality at will, the more any form of evidence is acceptable. But that cuts both ways. If 1 solitary footprint that supposedly appeared magically is this guy's solid evidence for Bigfoot, he can be easily ignored by most people.

The other problem with the total inter-dimensional stuff, aside from physics, is it kinda negates all the crashed UFO claims. IF UFOs are inter-dimensional with limited physicality, what exactly is the government keeping in a warehouse somewhere? What exactly is Lockheed supposed to be reverse engineering? They claim there are up to a dozen or so crashed UFO in the governments/contractors hands that are and have been reverse engineered, so that means actual physical craft, but then people like Barber and his psyonic operatives claim these craft appear from other dimensions, then fade back to there.

I would say, "You can't have it both ways", but that doesn't count in UFOlogy.

 

[MonkeeSage]

The other problem with the total inter-dimensional stuff, aside from physics, is it kinda negates all the crashed UFO claims. IF UFOs are inter-dimensional with limited physicality, what exactly is the government keeping in a warehouse somewhere? What exactly is Lockheed supposed to be reverse engineering? They claim there are up to a dozen or so crashed UFO in the governments/contractors hands that are and have been reverse engineered, so that means actual physical craft, but then people like Barber and his psyonic operatives claim these craft appear from other dimensions, then fade back to there.

I would say, "You can't have it both ways", but that doesn't count in UFOlogy.

There's an interesting internal dynamic where there seems to be a range of beliefs that are not internally consistent, like Eric Davis being a "nuts 'n' bolts" guy who thinks aliens are flying around in physical ships (albeit with advanced warp drive tech) and crashing, and there are physical races like mantids, etc. And then you have more woo aligned people like who believe paranormal/interdimensional beings and shape-shifting orbs. But they can all live together under the same roof because they all believe there is something out there about whatever "the phenomena" is that is being hidden from us.

I wonder if the more nuts 'n' bolts folks are skeptical of the more paranormal claims and explain them as misinterpreting advanced tech, and the woo side explain the nut 'n' bolts side as physical manifestations into this reality, and they are both skeptical of the events as reported by the other side. That would be kind of funny since the skeptic just goes one step further and says they are both misinterpreting mundane events as something extraordinary.

 

[Todd Feinman]

Some UFO folks would suggest a bit of both is going on; devices or craft are appearing from elsewhere and have a physical existence while they interact with us. Then.. Poof! The physical device is able to return to wherever the heck it is that it came from --a different dimension or something...
Based on my experiences, I think that the phenomenon is far stranger than nuts 'n bolts craft. And I am very skeptical of abduction claims, though I feel I must keep an open mind about it. I was actually surprised to hear all of the claims that have come out since the original article in the NYT. I would go for the interdimensional thang, but I don't think it makes sense mathematically.

 

[jdog]

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The other problem with the total inter-dimensional stuff, aside from physics, is it kinda negates all the crashed UFO claims. IF UFOs are inter-dimensional with limited physicality, what exactly is the government keeping in a warehouse somewhere? What exactly is Lockheed supposed to be reverse engineering? They claim there are up to a dozen or so crashed UFO in the governments/contractors hands that are and have been reverse engineered, so that means actual physical craft, but then people like Barber and his psyonic operatives claim these craft appear from other dimensions, then fade back to there.

I would say, "You can't have it both ways", but that doesn't count in UFOlogy.

I believe the argument has become that the alien bodies and ships (and egg-ships) that humans supposedly interact with are just "printed" as needed for use on the "material plane" (as Dungeons & Dragons would call it) and teleoperated psionically (or spiritually) from another dimension. Also, a mythical 4Chan whistleblower once said they're being made in an undersea factory ship near the Bermuda Triangle that has probably since moved. (Of course this is all based on... zero evidence.)

 

[NorCal Dave]

Some UFO folks would suggest a bit of both is going on; devices or craft are appearing from elsewhere and have a physical existence while they interact with us. Then.. Poof! The physical device is able to return to wherever the heck it is that it came from --a different dimension or something...
Based on my experiences, I think that the phenomenon is far stranger than nuts 'n bolts craft. And I am very skeptical of abduction claims, though I feel I must keep an open mind about it. I was actually surprised to hear all of the claims that have come out since the original article in the NYT.

Which I would argue, is similar to the Bigfoot guy I quoted in that it creates an unfalsifiable proposition. UFOs just go "Poof" into different dimensions, but the government and Lockheed have a dozen of them. I guess those ones didn't go Poof quite right.

Taken to the extreme some, obviously not you Todd, could explain away any debunk. If a video of a UFO is shown to clearly be a video of Venus, the argument just becomes "well the aliens were manifesting a physicality that looks like Venus".

IF the phenomenon is more than nuts'n bolts, fair enough, but then what are all these nut 'n bolts UFOs the government and Lockheed are reverse engineering?

Also, a mythical 4Chan whistleblower once said they're being made in an undersea factory ship near the Bermuda Triangle that has probably since moved.

But of course!

 

[Todd Feinman]

IF the phenomenon is more than nuts'n bolts, fair enough, but then what are all these nut 'n bolts UFOs the government and Lockheed are reverse engineering?

I don't know.. I was surprised to hear that they have a number of them in various states of repair. If they are physical objects, they are incredibly advanced, appear to do magical things. I think they are stranger than just physical objects. Some years ago I suggested they could be devices governed by some type of AI. They seem to be connected to certain people for some reason; some people see them several times, others don't encounter them at all. For a time I thought that perhaps the nuts 'n bolts revelations were some kind of disinformation campaign by the government to cover up something far stranger. I don't really know what they are. I'd lik to think that there is another or a number of other realities interlaced with ours, but I don't see how that would work in the physical universe.

 

[Mendel]

It's a collection of stories. What you have is a collection of stories.
That's why they don't need to be consistent.

But they're not really linked to reality in a meaningful way.

 

[Todd Feinman]

Fwiw, interestingly, I was using the descriptor non-human technology for quite a while, and was surprised when I heard whistleblowers using it.
I spent a lot of time thinking about my two experiences and wondering why I was the one who had them. Given the bizarre synchronicities around my first experience, I hypothesized years ago that perhaps a UFO could be made to appear. Sometime after this I heard Elizondo and then others claim that they could be summoned (by moving nukes, iirc, in Elizondo's case). So it was odd to hear these things.

 

[John J.]

Fwiw, interestingly, I was using the descriptor non-human technology for quite a while, and was surprised when I heard whistleblowers using it.

If non-human technology (or non-human intelligence) is a sort of inclusive term that allows UFOs and UFOnauts to be not human and not extraterrestrials in the conventional sense (e.g. biological creatures from a planet a certain number of light years away), I think it's a concept Jacques Vallee and (separately) the late John Keel helped promote decades ago.