Jake Barber tells Ross Coulthart about non-human technology - The "Egg"

[Duke]

For those of you working on the sling load evidence. I am talking to a crew chief on one of the big helo companies. He provided me with a wealth of information which I will share here. One obvious thing he said to me. There are two things a pilot will need for any job. WIthout those he or she is not going to do the job. Weight and Distance. He asked "How'd they know the weight of the UFO?" Of course I don't know. Jake never talked about logistics. But maybe the men on the ground brought a scale. But he said there is no way a pilot would sling an object without that data. I guess there is a pick site and drop site so they have the distance and altitude. Any ideas how object weight could be determined for a UFO?

For an exact weight, you'd probably have to weigh it. The intel guys have analysts who estimate aircraft specification data like that from overhead photos. The fidelity of the estimates are a function of parametric data and assumptions made based on the best information available. The estimates can be updated and refinded as more information is gained.

 

[Dave Beaty]

According to Barber, they are given size and weight estimates

Thanks. I guess my question would be..."how did they arrive at a weight estimate of a UFO that crashed or landed?"

 

[Dave Beaty]

For an exact weight, you'd probably have to weigh it. The intel guys have analysts who estimate aircraft specification data like that from overhead photos.

If a USAF team was on the ground and they had no previous experience with a UFO egg landing, I wonder what the protocol to get a weight of the thing would be? I suppose if a crane could be brought in to hoist it up. Then why couldn't they just use that to load it on a flatbed. Or they have previous experience with these objects and assume from those similar cases, it's the same.

 

[JMartJr]

If a USAF team was on the ground and they had no previous experience with a UFO egg landing, I wonder what the protocol to get a weight of the thing would be? I suppose if a crane could be brought in to hoist it up. Then why couldn't they just use that to load it on a flatbed. Or they have previous experience with these objects and assume from those similar cases, it's the same.

It's a puzzle. But there must be some sort of procedure for weighing big heavy but previously unknown loads -- such as a crashed UFO or, in a case I just Googled up, 4,500 pound dinosaur skulls:

If only the Pentaceraptops could have lived to see this day.

Strictly a heavyset ground dinosaur 75 million years ago, it would have never imagined itself taking flight. But on Thursday, military helicopters lifted its bones from New Mexico's Bisti Wilderness Area to a museum, including its 4,500-pound skull.
...

Since the ancient bones were excavated from an area where vehicular traffic was not allowed, the National Guard deployed Black Hawks to fly the fossils part of the way to Albuquerque.

Source: https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/30/us/new-mexico-dinosaur-skulls-transported-by-helicopter/index.html

So in an area where there could not have been a big truck called in to bring a big honking scale, they somehow measured the weight sufficiently for a helicopter crew to be comfortable lifting it -- perhaps the helicopter first brings in a scale? A query to the museum of the NM Guard helicopter folks might be in order?

 

[Duke]

If a USAF team was on the ground and they had no previous experience with a UFO egg landing, I wonder what the protocol to get a weight of the thing would be? I suppose if a crane could be brought in to hoist it up. Then why couldn't they just use that to load it on a flatbed. Or they have previous experience with these objects and assume from those similar cases, it's the same.

If there was a USAF crew on the ground, it in all likelihood would have been a Prime BEEF civil engineering unit.

.....While RED HORSE focused primarily on combat zones, another unit called Prime BEEF (Base Engineer Emergency Force) emerged to support the construction and maintenance needs of airbases and other USAF installations worldwide. Prime BEEF was established in the 1960s to provide rapid response engineering support during peacetime.

https://rhpba.com/

Analysts doing estimates are relying on parametric/historical data and relatively high confidence assumptions. If they are dealing with something with which they have no experience and for which no information/data exists, they're probably not going to come up with high fidelity estimates.

 

[John J.]

So in an area where there could not have been a big truck called in to bring a big honking scale, they somehow measured the weight sufficiently for a helicopter crew to be comfortable lifting it

I guess the 4500 lb load is mainly rock of the type surrounding (and within) the found fossil skull.
Maybe they estimated the volume of the lump of rock, and knowing its composition, got an estimate acceptable to the helo crew?
Perhaps they encased it in plaster- palaeontologists are always encasing things in plaster- split the cast in two and you've got two "cups" you can fill with water to get a good estimate of volume.
More likely there's some lidar-based approach
( "Volume Monitoring Using LiDAR...", Blickfeld website, https://www.blickfeld.com/blog/volume-monitoring-using-lidar/).

perhaps the helicopter first brings in a scale?

I don't know about these things, but there must be some way of incorporating a weighing instrument into the helo and lifting cable set-up. (Accepting that because I don't know about these things, maybe it's easier said than done).

 

[jackfrostvc]

I guess the other thing to consider is this. People have said they wouldn't sling load a blimp type craft under helicopter, because they would be too unpredictable.

So how unpredictable is a UAP that could go weightless (anti grav) or fly off at any moment at 12000 miles per hour?
Seems a risk also

 

[Dave Beaty]

So how unpredictable is a UAP that could go weightless (anti grav) or fly off at any moment at 12000 miles per hour?
Seems a risk also

The simple and most direct reasoning is it's not a UFO egg. In which case the weight problem never comes into the scenario. If it's a hoax video. Or a video of some other stange Radome or Aerostat system someone repurposed for a film. Even the night vision seems in question. To me it looks like daytime sunlight with an effect added.

 

[Duke]

I don't know about these things, but there must be some way of incorporating a weighing instrument into the helo and lifting cable set-up. (Accepting that because I don't know about these things, maybe it's easier said than done).

Sure, you could use a load cell in line with the lifting cable/mechanism. Not all that uncommon on cranes from what I understand, and can't believe it would be a problem with a chopper. And if they do that, no need for a scale, except for redundancy to confirm the weight.

https://www.futek.com/applications/Crane-Load-Cell

 

[Minus0]

A lot of long-lining work doesn't require the pilot to know the exact weight as long as it's under the maximum safe lifting capacity. For example, in this video, you can see the helicopter pilot picking up a variety of payloads that have only been approximated:

Source: https://youtu.be/_Z2iKF_zEdo?feature=shared


Additionally, I posted another video much further back in this thread that showed a different long-line pilot trying to pick up a load that was overweight. He connected to it, tried lifting, but it was clear from the torque gauge and the lack of movement of the machine that it was too much, so he simply disconnected the electronic hook and told the guys to split the load in half. Long-line pilots don't prepare for each load like a commercial airplane pilot does and instead rely a lot more on feel than airplanes.

Using the Bell 212 as an example of a common long-line workhorse, its max payload capacity is 4,000 lbs. Anything under that requires no additional planning by the pilot, as long as the flight distance is safely within the fully loaded range. (GPT suggested the approximate range for a Bell 212 with a 3,000-lb load would be 200 nautical miles.)

Since we know the slings were placed under the object before flight, I suspect whoever maneuvered it onto the sling could have gauged if it was under 4,000 lbs (or whatever the particular lifting capacity was for that machine — large military helicopters can lift much more, making this issue of pre-weighing even less necessary).

It's impossible to tell based on the video without knowing the angle and/or softness of the ground, but if it's reasonably flat dirt, the way it rolls looks to my eye like it is fairly light and probably within the margin of the heli that was picking it up. Do others have differing intuitions on that? I suspect an egg-like object over, let's say, 5,000 pounds, would be less likely to roll as easily on dirt.

Lastly, it was my understanding the story is the elite team of psychic soldier are supposedly controlling these things with their minds on a flight "range" and they occasionally messed up crashing them. If so it suggests retrieving these wasn't a one-off procedure for the teams on the ground? It might also explain the apparent lack of care when setting it down if a lot of information was already understood about its composition and strengths.

 

[jackfrostvc]

Here's the thing, if you can summon a UFO to land. then all you need to do is do that, and film it with a couple of skeptic witnesses present.

You don't :

1) Come out and tell a story about summoning UAP without convincing evidence
2) Form a company with investment from Private investors.
3) Show pics of dots of light in the sky
4) Talk about future events months away
etc etc

Non of that is needed. Just show the proof. Land one and video it with trusted skeptics and scientists present. The End
..
BTW, does the story that they can control these things telepathically make sense?

So the aliens left a long running security hole allowing humans to control there ships telepathically. Which if humans could do it, why not adversaries of theirs. But hang on, maybe they left that ability there on purpose and designed it so only humans can do it, I think they claimed this didn't they - the human access that is?. If that's the case then why did the other UAP dog fight with the first one when they tried to summon it? Why dog fight and not just turn the telepathic control off.? If they wanted us to have them , why don't the ET land them where we want them?

This is the thing, the more I think about it, the more it makes no sense to me

 

[jdog]

Here's the thing, if you can summon a UFO to land. then all you need to do is do that, and film it with a couple of skeptic witnesses present.

You don't :

1) Come out and tell a story about summoning UAP without convincing evidence
2) Form a company with investment from Private investors.
3) Show pics of dots of light in the sky
4) Talk about future events months away
etc etc

Non of that is needed. Just show the proof. Land one and video it with trusted skeptics and scientists present. The End

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[NorCal Dave]

BTW, does the story that they can control these things telepathically make sense?

So the aliens left a long running security hole allowing humans to control there ships telepathically. Which if humans could do it, why not adversaries of theirs. But hang on, maybe they left that ability there on purpose and designed it so only humans can do it, I think they claimed this didn't they - the human access that is?. If that's the case then why did the other UAP dog fight with the first one when they tried to summon it? Why dog fight and not just turn the telepathic control off.? If they wanted us to have them , why don't the ET land them where we want them?

This is the thing, the more I think about it, the more it makes no sense to me

Agreed. I think the idea that seems to be floated here is that these are alien craft that can be controlled, to an extent, by certain "psyonic" operatives. It's unclear if the craft are operated with the permission of the aliens, or that the psyonics have learned to operate these craft independently. In either case, the government and/or the contractors involved in this aren't going invite in a group of skeptics and allow the psyonics to land one for everybody to see. They are still reverse engineering them. I think.

It's increasingly sounding like a miss-mash of various SciFy stories.

Despite all the UFO lore, I'm not convinced the US DoD would put recovery/ transport of a likely alien spacecraft out to a contractor. -It might be cheaper, but in this context the initial cost might be of little concern (and less concern than safety).
In terms of marshalling resources such as special mission helos and dependable security, and managing "need to know", keeping everything in-house would be a practical default position.

The point of using contractors is to maintain plausible deniability. The argument would be, that congress can't force the government to give up what it doesn't have. They let Lockheed and others handle the alien crafts, as that's who is going to reverse engineer them anyway, then pay said contractors for the tech they obtained from the craft.

He says he was trying to contact aliens/entities with smaller groups but decided in 2023 that he was looking for people doing "something big in the space between UAP and consciousness" and was introduced to Alex Klokus (the SALT guy) when "Skywatcher and other initiatives around it" were initially being developed. It was initially very UAP focused, but after talking to other believers (he says "whistleblowers and scientists") they were pushed back towards the consciousness side (psychic stuff) and he thinks it is the key to understanding the phenomena.

He says Klokus reached out to him in summer of 2024 and said he knows someone from a crash recovery team, which ended up being Jake Barber, who was using a pseudonym at the time.

So, Hodgkins would have had NOTHING to do with any of the recovery efforts Barber was involved in, nor any of the remote controlling of alien crafts out in the desert. He has just recently hooked up with Barber and is offering his psyonic skills. But in this case, he has had no training at all, like the supposed government/contractor psyonics Barber delt with one would presume. Maybe that will be used to explain why the SkyWatch team can't quite bring a craft in close, they have an inexperienced psyonic.

And just to reiterate, this whole claim is completely different from the standard UFO retrieval and reverse engineering stories, like Roswell. Barber was NOT running around the country or the world retrieving crashed UFOs. He was occasionally flying out into the California desert to pick up what he believed were alien craft that he believed were under the control of psyonic operatives of the US government or its contractors.

Even if this were true, it doesn't make sense. If he was just the pilot and, as he admitted, wasn't expressly told the egg or other stuff was alien, it would suggest he did not have a need to know exactly what he was picking up. But if that's the case, who would have let him in on the whole psyonics are controlling these craft? If he didn't have a need to know exactly what he was picking up, he sure as hell didn't have a need to know how it got there. He's just the pilot. Except, I suppose, when he was recovering secret stolen computers and their submerged hard drives up in the mountains.

 

[Dave Beaty]

I think I contacted approximately 8 major helicopter companies based on Jake Barbers claims and using the FAA Registry that own Bell's to do heavy lift work. Of those, 4 responded, and one called me the next morning at 7am. Of those only one guy was very helpful in answering any questions I had, and told me how small the community is, that all the major players know each other. And that the upcoming industry conference was going to be abuzz at the bar with these stories. So if you have any questions for a crew chief from a major company that is not a pilot but with about 30 years in, let me know. He's happy to respond as long as his name and company are not mentioned.

 

[NorCal Dave]

Of those only one guy was very helpful in answering any questions I had, and told me how small the community is, that all the major players know each other. And that the upcoming industry conference was going to be abuzz at the bar with these stories. So if you have any questions for a crew chief from a major company that is not a pilot but with about 30 years in, let me know. He's happy to respond as long as his name and company are not mentioned.

That's great Dave! One would think it's a smallish community where most people know, or know of, people in the group. It seems Barber is a pilot and if he flew for the now defunct San Joaquin Helicopters and other SoCal companies, someone would know of him.

The trick is, as I understand the story, none of his claims or the egg video supposedly have anything to do with everyday helicopter companies. While it's all still very vague, I get that his story of lifting an egg and seeing God, or his lifting the container and his team getting sick, all happened while supposedly working for a contractor that was working for the DoD. Again, it's all vague, but it's presented like he and his team are working for someone like Lockheed-Martin doing classified super-secret retrievals, as well as super-secret ground operations, like looking for missing computers.

It seems unlikely that a company like San Joaquin Helicopters or any other company Barber might have worked for later, that might be contracting to Cal Fire, heli-logging, doing utility work or any other lifting operations, would on occasion bop over to the desert for a highly classified supposed alien craft retrieval. Right? If something like Lockheed-Martin and/or the US military were fooling around with psyonicly controlled UAPs and needed to retrieve a crashed one, they're not calling San Joaquine Helicopters, or any other helicopter company, in to help out. They'd have their own resources, which Barber was supposedly part of.

All of that to say, a whole bar full of legit helicopter lift experts can't really debunk what happens on a super-secret classified UAP program.

However, it would be great to get any of their thoughts on the video itself. What do they think it is?

I guess the other thing would be if anyone knows of Barber and where he worked? He left the Air Force around 2001 and was flying for San Joaquin Helicopter at some point before they went bankrupt in 2019. So, there is a 20ish year window during which at some point he was flying for the military contractor doing all the super-secret stuff. Be interesting if anyone can place him at various companies over that time frame.

 

[Dave Beaty]

It seems unlikely that a company like San Joaquin Helicopters or any other company Barber might have worked for later, that might be contracting to Cal Fire, heli-logging, doing utility work or any other lifting operations, would on occasion bop over to the desert for a highly classified supposed alien craft retrieval. Right?

Right. My thoughts. Unless this was a civilian operation. Which by all indications Barber made it seem like USAF SOC. Which would have their own Helos on the "Range"

All of that to say, a whole bar full of legit helicopter lift experts can't really debunk what happens on a super-secret classified UAP program.

Here is the catch, if a guy is in the industry been there done that, then perhaps he can spot something about the sling load that stands out as being incorrect, being wrong about it. I asked about cameras. He said "It's not standard" . Which I found surprising yet he said that the pilots don't use Video Monitors pointing down. So that's unusual. He gave me a bunch of other stuff as well. I

If the mind trust here has questions about the video, I can ask and he will likely reply or ask his pilots for their comment.

I guess the other thing would be if anyone knows of Barber and where he worked? He left the Air Force around 2001 and was flying for San Joaquin Helicopter at some point before they went bankrupt in 2019. So, there is a 20ish year window during which at some point he was flying for the military contractor doing all the super-secret stuff. Be interesting if anyone can place him at various companies over that time frame.

That is perfectly legit line of reasoning. He was working for the Wheelchair cover company. As even shown in the promo video where he is seen filming the commercial on his phone. He also worked for the education centered PTA company that sets ups PTAs and Booster Clubs. Could be his wife as well.

We don't know if he was working with Charlie Helicopters or Rogers Helicopters (I'm told those two companies are tight by the insider) Also what is Royal Helicopter Service he lists as being the owner of?

There is a fixed wing aircraft registered to his home address and a name of a person "El Garrett" Whoever that is. I found no record of an El Garret or El Garrett. Interesting though.

 

[deirdre]

Also what is Royal Helicopter Service he lists as being the owner of?

based on the trademark classification its a transport service

Article:

Goods or Services
Class 39 covers services, not goods.

Class 39 Official Nice Description
"Transport; packaging and storage of goods; travel arrangement."

Brief Explanation
International Class 39 mainly includes services rendered in transporting people or goods from one place to another (by rail, road, water, air or pipeline) and services necessarily connected with such transport, as well as services relating to the storing of goods in a warehouse or other building for their preservation or guarding.

Source: http://guide.trademarkitect.com/InternationalClasses/IC39.html

add: looks like him anyway

Source: https://x.com/JohnSant87/status/708047583877447680

 

[NoParty]

There's something charming about this bullshit story:
That aliens sophisticated enough to cross the Universe are mentally weak enough to be controlled by:
"These aren't the droids you're looking for."
"Land here...we have cookies ('n' probes!)"

 

[Calter]

Based on the "evidence" they've provided; it seems it's much less of "land here" and more so "pass over my general area travelling at Mach 7" or "pass above me at a height where you are indistinguishable from satellites and only if it's nighttime".

 

[NorCal Dave]

That is perfectly legit line of reasoning. He was working for the Wheelchair cover company. As even shown in the promo video where he is seen filming the commercial on his phone. He also worked for the education centered PTA company that sets ups PTAs and Booster Clubs. Could be his wife as well.

And, as noted by @John J. back in post #189, he has a Gracie Brothers Jujitsu franchise in the Sacramento suburb of Elk Grove, which is a 3-hour commute from the Exeter area where he lives, at least by car, quicker by helicopter. Piloting seems to be a bit of a side-gig maybe? Or he just has lots of irons in the fire.

Here is the catch, if a guy is in the industry been there done that, then perhaps he can spot something about the sling load that stands out as being incorrect, being wrong about it. I asked about cameras. He said "It's not standard" . Which I found surprising yet he said that the pilots don't use Video Monitors pointing down. So that's unusual. He gave me a bunch of other stuff as well.

Yeah, that's really interesting. Be fun to get his or other actual load guys take on the video. The fact that no one has figured it out yet, I would argue means it's at least not something common. A more unique situation.

 

[Mendel]

f the mind trust here has questions about the video, I can ask and he will likely reply or ask his pilots for their comment.

if they can identify the sling or other gear seen in the video, that'd be useful.
So far, we haven't been able to establish that this exact type of sling exists.

 

[Edward Current]

If the mind trust here has questions about the video, I can ask and he will likely reply or ask his pilots for their comment.

Is there typically a camera on the rope, recording, and what does he think of the lighting and color?

 

[Dave Beaty]

if they can identify the sling or other gear seen in the video, that'd be useful.
So far, we haven't been able to establish that this exact type of sling exists.

This is also my line of reasoning. Can we get a list of questions for the guy? One of his own was about the release hook. He said it's either a seperate line that controls the release hook or a cable that is within the sheath of the main cable. This is the cable that releases the load. He didn't see this in the video. But let's get a list of questions and I'll submit it to him.

 

[NorCal Dave]

This is also my line of reasoning. Can we get a list of questions for the guy? One of his own was about the release hook. He said it's either a seperate line that controls the release hook or a cable that is within the sheath of the main cable. This is the cable that releases the load. He didn't see this in the video. But let's get a list of questions and I'll submit it to him.

I'll start with an overall question that includes a bunch of sub-parts kinda summing it up. His overall impression of the video:

Has he ever seen or heard of anything like this before?

• The bizarre looking sling?
• The egg-shaped thing itself?
• No ground support?
• The use of an under mounted or cable mounted night vision camera?
• The setting it down and letting it roll?

Does any of it look real or make sense to him?

Even if the argument is that this is a super-secret psyonic UAP recovery, thus the night vision and stuff, it's still a helicopter transporting a load. There must be standard protocols and procedures regardless of logs or UAPs.

The whole thing looks like nothing anybody here has been able to find, which doesn't mean it's not real, but it seems very unique. Thanks again for reaching out to this guy Dave.

 

[Calter]

Also, besides which sling is being used and how it's put down, I'm also curious on if the way it's secured makes sense. Compared to any other video I've seen of helicopters transporting things, the way that egg is secured by the sling just looks very flimsy. Maybe there's some specific type of cargo for which it would make sense.

 

[jdog]

I'm also wondering about the stability of the image. Aside from the questions about the lack of surface turbulence from the downdraft, would video from a camera stuck on the bottom of a helicopter hovering under load show any vibration from the airframe?

 

[deirdre]

I'm also wondering about the stability of the image. Aside from the questions about the lack of surface turbulence from the downdraft, would video from a camera stuck on the bottom of a helicopter hovering under load show any vibration from the airframe?

theres a video of a real one in this post https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ja...on-human-technology-the-egg.13949/post-334290

 

[jarlrmai]

The camera seems to be attached to the rope which likely dampens vibrations

 

[Minus0]

told me how small the community is, that all the major players know each other. And that the upcoming industry conference was going to be abuzz at the bar with these stories.

I'd be curious to know more about his reputation within the community, both as a person and as a pilot. Some potential lines of questioning:

- Is he viewed as highly competent and reliable?
- Is he known to be eccentric?
- For those who have worked with him, were there any notable conversations indicating an interest in UFOs or conspiracies in general? Was this something he was passionate about? Did these conversations occur before or after the alleged retrieval?
- How often do other pilots in the community secure contracts with the DoD?
- Do contractors ever use military helicopters, or only private company machines? (This is particularly relevant regarding the night vision camera on the line, presumably connected to a HUD.)

The reason I'm especially interested in his reputation, beliefs, and personal relationships is, as I mentioned in another post (link), cultural beliefs and dispositions can strongly influence perception.

For example, in the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (BJJ) community, there seems to be a higher-than-normal level of conspiracism and UFO enthusiasm. Eddie Bravo (also a BJJ gym owner from SoCal and one of the biggest figures in BJJ internationally) has been a recurring guest on Joe Rogan, advocating for Flat Earth, Planet X, and other fringe ideas. Many other MMA fighters, including UFC champions, are also hardcore UFO believers. The fact that Barber owns a BJJ gym isn't evidence of anything in itself, but if he was already known to be interested in conspiracy theories and UFOs as is not uncommon in the BJJ community, it could provide useful context regarding his mindset when interpreting anomalous situations.

One hypothesis is that Barber already had strong UFO beliefs before the incidents he described to Coulthart, and he simply misinterpreted what was happening as a result. He may have been picking up any number of mundane objects (blimps, targets, wrapped machinery, etc), but because he was flying out in the Nevada desert, conducting a "crash retrieval", his brain might have erroneously connected unrelated dots using the available UFO heuristic. I also wouldn't rule out the possibility that some people were messing with him in this context.

If I recall correctly, when Coulthart asked whether Barber discussed the possibility of an alien craft with his copilot, Barber said they didn't need to say it out loud; they both just knew. That suggests a mindset more prone to suggestion, given that he wasn't continually seeking external verification. Again, this isn't conclusive, but it helps paint a clearer picture of the cognitive framework Barber was operating within.

Lastly, I'd reiterate my previous point about cultural beliefs and perception. It's important to understand that these tendencies are not abnormal in human nature. Even if Barber was influenced by prior UFO beliefs, that doesn't mean he's crazy. That's an important point to keep in mind, especially when speaking with any of his potential colleagues.

 

[Dave Beaty]

I'd be curious to know more about his reputation within the community, both as a person and as a pilot. Some potential lines of questioning:

- Is he viewed as highly competent and reliable?

The guy I am talking to doesn't know Jake. But he said at the trade show, people there would liley know him.

- How often do other pilots in the community secure contracts with the DoD?

I'll work on these and other questions and get back to you.

- Do contractors ever use military helicopters, or only private company machines? (This is particularly relevant regarding the night vision camera on the line, presumably connected to a HUD.)

 

[JMartJr]

they didn't need to say it out loud; they both just knew.

Another way to phrase that would be "I thought I knew what it was, and just assumed the other person thought so to, and thought it was the same thing I did, though they never said so and I never asked."

 

[scombrid]

I'm sick of this. Decades of fraud and the grift just drones on. Puthoff, Lazar, Geller, to Zondo, Corbells, Graves, Couthart… never a consequence for them except continued personal profit. Then there are their government sponsors and enablers. Just fucking sick of this.

 

[FatPhil]

I'm sick of this. Decades of fraud and the grift just drones on. Puthoff, Lazar, Geller, to Zondo, Corbells, Graves, Couthart… never a consequence for them except continued personal profit. Then there are their government sponsors and enablers. Just fucking sick of this.

We're in rambles territory, but I wonder whether the "government sponsors and enablers" are getting more numerous, more vociferous, and/or in positions of more power, or whether I'm, and presumably you are too, just getting more sensitive to their prognostications? (Ooops, I missed out "better supported by the media", ...)

 

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Steven Greenstreet found pictures of the Ennea inaugural gathering posted on Instagram that allegedly show Jake Barber, Dave Grusch, Alex Klokus and Ross Coulthart were in attendance together. Images attached below with links to original sources.

Here it is claimed Coulthart, Barber and Grusch are seated in the back to our left and Klokus is seated against the wall on the right in black outfit with white socks.

Source: https://www.instagram.com/lauren.taus/p/DB9oMNcTzfF/?img_index=2

Here it is claimed that Klokus is standing in black outfit to our left of center, and Barber and Coulthart are in the back row on our right.

Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/DCMlc7IP_1L/?img_index=11

 

[NorCal Dave]

Maybe Barber and maybe Couthart, although personally I'm digging the big cowboy style hats these ladies are wearing:

Maybe Barber and Couthart? But also, maybe Jimmy Kimmel? More big hats, and seriously, who shoots these in B&W?

We could probably make a whole thread playing "Who's Who?" with these photos. Intersting to, IF that's Coulthart and Barber, aside from the swami in the front row, those 2 are really skewing the demographics. This appears to be largely a younger hipper group.

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This sounds like any New Agey camp at Burningman, and a lot of the folks in the photo look like they'd be regulars, at least the kind that fly in and stay at expensive Plug & Play camps.

The Esalen Institute, as noted above, has been trying to link consciousness and some sort of universal energy for 60+ years with the same non-results. IONS, the Institute for Noetic Sciences has been doing the same thing since 1973.

Interesting, but a bit off topic, is the relations between these various groups. IONS current Chief Scientist is Dr. Dean Radin, who formerly occupied the Bigelow Consciousness Chair at UNLV, or some title like that. I'd have to look in another thread. But a Bigelow endowed chair for consciousness studies. Of course, Bigelow is also part of AAWSAP with people like Hal Puthoff, one of the leading proponents of a government and contractor based UFO retrieval and reverse engineering program. Like Barber was supposedly involved in. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the folks in the 2 photos also appear on the IONS website. Round and round it goes.

IONS: https://noetic.org/

 

[Nemon]

Maybe Barber and maybe Couthart

I have not the slightest doubt that these are Barber and Coulthart.

 

[Favious M]

The guy in between Coulthart and Barber in the colour photo (assuming it's them) also seems super familiar, as if he might be another one of that group of UFO personalities that show up on the History channel and similar. Can't put a name on him though

 

[Andreas]

Steven Greenstreet found pictures of the Ennea inaugural gathering posted on Instagram that allegedly show Jake Barber, Dave Grusch, Alex Klokus and Ross Coulthart were in attendance together. Images attached below with links to original sources.

I'm not totally convinced here, even though it would be quite a scoop. The older guy does resemble Coulthart—I'll give him that. And with some imagination, one might be able to spot Barber too. But who's supposed to be Grusch?

 

[Nemon]

The guy in between Coulthart and Barber in the colour photo (assuming it's them) also seems super familiar, as if he might be another one of that group of UFO personalities that show up on the History channel and similar. Can't put a name on him though

Oh, come on. You're not saying that's Brandon Fugal, are you!

 

[Andreas]

I have not the slightest doubt that these are Barber and Coulthart.

Really looks like Coulthart. Hard to say if it's Barber, though, and I don't see where anyone could spot Grusch. It's a shame the picture is so low quality.