HAARP is Being Permanently Dismantled

FreiZeitGeist

Senior Member.
I keep seeing where people are claiming that there are now many other 'haarp-like' facilities around the world. True? False?
A lot of the "suspected HAARP-Like" Projects are just Radio-Telescopes designed to receive and not to manipulate some things above us...

The European LOFAR-Network for example looks very simular to HAARP...

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOFAR

Well. Most of these LOFAR-facilities are looking strange to people claiming Antennas are a Weapon against humanity ;)


Source: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LOFAR,_ITS_Test_Station.png


Source: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LOFAR_Potsdam_Bornim.jpg
 

Jason

Senior Member
The Internet is rife with such reports.

But in any case, "so what"? (Keep in mind that a simple search on Google finds a site scarily titled "HAARP and the Sky Heaters"

Complete rubbish, of course. But, when searching, note the Sites that host these ridiculous threads and claims.

EDIT: For Jason and Night -- HAARP is a study of the extreme upper parts of Earth's atmosphere, specifically the ionosphere.

( Link to factual info about that region: http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/i/ionosphere.htm )

You may wish to note that despite all of the CT claims, the ionosphere simply does not interact nor influence the parts of the atmosphere where we reside (troposphere) nor where we occasionally "visit" in a modern commercial airliner (the tropopause and stratosphere).

All of these sorts of experiments involve ways to use the upper regions of the atmosphere in studying many things, experimentally, and also to learn more about them (absent sending spacecraft up, which is far more expensive).
I know its rubbish, in terms of the CT's put out there about HAARP. But I thought I remembered someone reputable on this forum stating there were another 29 facilities similar to HAARP. Whether they exist or not, I don't care...
 

WeedWhacker

Senior Member
I know its rubbish, in terms of the CT's put out there about HAARP. But I thought I remembered someone reputable on this forum stating there were another 29 facilities similar to HAARP. Whether they exist or not, I don't care...
Here is the issue, if you scroll up to "Pete Tar"s post #40.

There is a mention of "EISCAT heating" (I bolded the word "heating")....and thus, among other ways, a "conspiracy" is born!! ;)

"EISCAT Heater" explained

Problem is, some see the word "heater" associated with any derivation of HAARP, and thus? Birth, and the "conspiracy" comes fully developed, right from the uterus of imagination......
 

David Fraser

Senior Member.
I know its rubbish, in terms of the CT's put out there about HAARP. But I thought I remembered someone reputable on this forum stating there were another 29 facilities similar to HAARP. Whether they exist or not, I don't care...
Dutchsinse has been making reference to the SuperDARN radar which is a network of 21 facilities Worldwide http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Dual_Auroral_Radar_Network

In addition the CT crowd include any facility they feel looks dodgy for example the MST facility in Wales. http://mst.nerc.ac.uk/ They claim this is a HAARP facility because the antennas they use look the same. They dismiss the fact that HAARP antenna are 75 ft high and these are 6.
 

ssfor27

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He really is persistent isn't he?

https://www.facebook.com/DutchsinseOfficial/posts/892859304099828

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He cites the results of a "new" experiment that he claims found. He includes a screenshot and abstracts taken from the preamble of this supposedly "new" research document.

By simply clicking on the "get PDF" option found within the very link he provides, a brief read will find that the experiments being cited and reported on were performed in 2014. Yes, the publication is recent. Sometimes these things take time Dutch. But the experiments reported on are from 2014.



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http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2015GL063064/pdf


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https://www.facebook.com/DutchsinseOfficial/posts/892909424094816

I'm still looking for his evidence that the US Navy has HAARP budgeted for 2015. He makes this claim, but provides a link to a budget written in March of 2014. That document does show a 25 million dollar planned budget for all of Space Sciences in general on page 10. Then, the one singular mention of the words "aurora" or "auroral" anywhere within the document is found 2 pages later under the Fiscal Year 2013 accomplishments.

About halfway down on page 12 it states:

- Continued investigation of the driving mechanisms, mode characteristics, and impact on space plasmas of electromagnetic waves relevant to radiation belt remediation and auroral ionospheric space weather.

I'm guessing Dutch, in his glee, failed to realize that was citing past accomplishments, not current initiatives.

Here's the link the to the budget he refers to in PDF form:

http://www.finance.hq.navy.mil/FMB/15pres/RDTEN_BA1-3_BOOK.pdf


He really cannot let go, can he? Anything to keep the illusion alive, the followers following, and the "tips in the hat" rolling in.......
 

Libertarian

Banned
Banned
I'm still looking for his evidence that the US Navy has HAARP budgeted for 2015.
Finding evidence of a US budget would be striking enough! I don't think there has been an approved budget for about five years or so.

Realistically, using a government budget to quantify the non-funding of something is impossible. You can use the published budget to quantify that something is funded, but not vice versa. There are thousands if not hundreds of thousands of classified projects.
 

Mick West

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Finding evidence of a US budget would be striking enough! I don't think there has been an approved budget for about five years or so.

Realistically, using a government budget to quantify the non-funding of something is impossible. You can use the published budget to quantify that something is funded, but not vice versa. There are thousands if not hundreds of thousands of classified projects.
That's not the point. The point is that Dutch claims there was evidence, and provided a link which did not back that up.

Obviously there are undocumented black ops hidden under general items in budgets.
 

Skydrifter

New Member
I know its rubbish, in terms of the CT's put out there about HAARP. But I thought I remembered someone reputable on this forum stating there were another 29 facilities similar to HAARP. Whether they exist or not, I don't care...
I know its rubbish, in terms of the CT's put out there about HAARP. But I thought I remembered someone reputable on this forum stating there were another 29 facilities similar to HAARP. Whether they exist or not, I don't care...
The exploration/utilization of the ionosphere is truly a huge topic, in general.


As to the HAARP project, being from Alaska, I've watched the HAARP DARN project fairly carefully. I also have a friend who is an absolute genius in just the field of electronics - and, I'm reasonably educated in electronics, myself.

My friend (given to being highly suspicious) took a public tour of the facility, concluding that there was no evidence of anything but associated on-off switches; which controlled the RF transmission power to the antenna array. However, he agreed with me that if you can control the "Rover" on Mars with a few hundred watts of transmission power - at the most - that the RF power capability of the HAARP cannon was nothing short of "Striking Power."

The key to understanding the HAARP project is to recall that it was a solar flare, which heated the upper-earth 'atmosphere' (ionosphere – visually evidenced by the Aurora/Australias Borealis) such that it created an 'atmospheric drag' on the first US Space Station. In consequence, the Space Station began an increasing cycle of oscillations; until it finally fell out of orbit - no thanks to the uncaring of Jimmy Carter.

Again, the Gakona, Alaska site radiates millions of watts of RF energy - powered by its own Fairbanks-Morse diesel power generating facility, very close by. That magnitude of RF power is not the 'stuff' of research; it's a bloody "RF cannon"!

In concert, the DARN system monitors the 'state' of the upper atmospheric particle belts – that being the true "research." However, the DARN system essentially monitors the before/after state of the particle belts, relative to a HAARP firing.

However, there are numerous DARN facilities, scattered as far as the tip of South America. It's reasonable that the effect of the HAARP Cannon(s) produces a 'ripple' effect in the upper particle belts; with the DARN system plotting any detectable changes for primary research; and, of course, prediction/calibration for the HAARP Cannon. The DARN system – or anything similar – would also serve to ‘spot’ any other ‘entity’s tampering with the ionosphere; just as the seismic detection for spotting underground nuclear tests.

The clear implication is that the HAARP Cannon essentially effects a 'blister' in the ionosphere, enabling a radical (localized) increase in the solar energy to reach the earth. The "firing site" then rotates out from under the 'blister,' with the solar 'consequence' occurring off to the West, i.e. Siberia & beyond.

The ionosphere, however, is naturally subject to the formation of ripples/waves. Thus, the directional “electronic agility” of the HAARP ‘beam’ can effect a certain amount of north-south ripple effect, as well.

In the background, the theory behind the HAARP project was 'borrowed' from the Russians (even though an American took out several patents on the concept), although the Russians couldn't afford to build it – which would have been done in secret, anyway. AND, the Russians have been quite vocal as to the HAARP cannon being uniquely a "Weather Control" system; in defiance of International Law – acclaimed/disguised as "research," of course. (Rather like the ‘tests’ of the atomic bombs over Hiroshima & Nagasaki.)

The last I knew, two more HAARP facilities were at least planned to be built in Greenland and Tromso, Norway - at the same latitude as the Gakona site. In theory, that latitude marks the average intersection of the ionosphere with the magnetosphere.

Interestingly, the 'coupling' of a magnetic field and a radio frequency is the same principle employed by medical MRI imaging. The implied theory being that the 'particles' in the ionosphere would be 'heated,' but, given the obvious mechanics, would only be able to have a 'propulsive' action-reaction effect against the relatively more dense upper atmosphere, however thin; versus any 'upward' energy radiation being 'lost' to the inversely dense higher altitude (outer space) – quite comparable to a helium balloon.

In theory, also, the ionospheric ‘distortion’ could also cripple the Russian “Over the Horizon” radar and/or communication.

However, there are other similar “ionospheric” projects, under different 'titles,' and technology; at least one being in Russia. Not surprisingly, the militarization of space – contrary to treaties & International law – began a long time ago. For all the similar projects, HAARP is unique by virtue of its magnitude of RF power.

As evidence of the HAARP system being a weather-controlling device, the Canadians were otherwise inexplicably confident enough to open new ports in the Canadian North Atlantic coast region; which was previously icebound. Such a move requires enormous confidence. There’s currently an international legal battle, as to who can use the associated new ‘inland’ sea routes; with Canada, of course, claiming control - similarly to that exercised over the Panama canal.

As to the really far-out HAARP “conspiracy theorists;” they are essentially “disinformationists.” But, their claims are still worthy of being examined. We live in an incredibly complex world; with a global “Next-Generation Nazism” being seen in every evening newscast. God bless those who employ close scrutiny; asking: “What if ….?”
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member.
AND, the Russians have been quite vocal as to the HAARP cannon being uniquely a "Weather Control" system; in defiance of International Law – acclaimed/disguised as "research," of course.
Got any specific instances of people who would actually know the science properly (not just Russian saber-rattlers and paranoics) saying such things?
As evidence of the HAARP system being a weather-controlling device, the Canadians were otherwise inexplicably confident enough to open new ports in the Canadian North Atlantic coast region; which was previously icebound. Such a move requires enormous confidence.
Not really much evidence of weather control so much as a far-fetched assumption. Could much more reasonably be due to the ice-fields opening up due to climate change (non HAARP-induced). An eventual ice-free artic (and surrounds) has been a possibility for a while that many would see as an exploitation opportunity; it doesn't mean it was engineered.
 

Trailblazer

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However, he agreed with me that if you can control the "Rover" on Mars with a few hundred watts of transmission power - at the most - that the RF power capability of the HAARP cannon was nothing short of "Striking Power."
Total false equivalence. Controlling a rover on Mars just requires enough of a radio signal to reach it that the on-board computer can detect and identify. The actual rover is driven by a generator powered by plutonium. How can you possibly compare sending a radio wave to control a rover with attempting to control vastly powerful weather systems?

The key to understanding the HAARP project is to recall that it was a solar flare, which heated the upper-earth 'atmosphere' (ionosphere – visually evidenced by the Aurora/Australias Borealis) such that it created an 'atmospheric drag' on the first US Space Station. In consequence, the Space Station began an increasing cycle of oscillations; until it finally fell out of orbit - no thanks to the uncaring of Jimmy Carter.

Again, the Gakona, Alaska site radiates millions of watts of RF energy - powered by its own Fairbanks-Morse diesel power generating facility, very close by. That magnitude of RF power is not the 'stuff' of research; it's a bloody "RF cannon"!
This atmospheric drag is due to the upper atmosphere expanding outwards. This all happens way, way above the levels at which weather patterns form.

In this cross-section, the ionosphere begins above the mesopause. Almost all weather occurs way down in the stratosphere, more than 60km lower.



There is simply no way that heating the ionosphere can direct weather patterns in any meaningful way.
 

Henk001

Senior Member.
The exploration/utilization of the ionosphere is truly a huge topic, in general.



The clear implication is that the HAARP Cannon essentially effects a 'blister' in the ionosphere, enabling a radical (localized) increase in the solar energy to reach the earth. The "firing site" then rotates out from under the 'blister,' with the solar 'consequence' occurring off to the West, i.e. Siberia & beyond.

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1.The atmosphere is co-rotating with the Earth; there is no westward drift.

2.Even if HAARP were capable of creating such a blister (but see point 3 below), the result would be that the otherwise absorbed ionising radiation (UV, Röntgen and gamma) would ionise and therefore be absorbed in the next layer directly beneath. Other solar radiation is not affected.

3. The power of HAARP 3.6 MW is peanuts compared with what is going around in the atmosphere. For example a Hurricane releases (hundreds of) millions as much power. The increased radiative forcing by the enhanced greenhouse effect adds heat at a rate of about 200 TW, mainly in the oceans, but still 14 TW in the atmosphere. Even a lightning bolt can easily release 500 MW.
 
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Henk001

Senior Member.
Stumbled across this video of the HAARP report, claiming to prove that the Californian drought is caused by HAARP. I know it is rubbish, if only because of the physical impossibility that the ionosphere has any influence on weather systems in the troposphere, but can someone please comment on the meteorological claims here:
 

solrey

Senior Member.
Stumbled across this video of the HAARP report, claiming to prove that the Californian drought is caused by HAARP. I know it is rubbish, if only because of the physical impossibility that the ionosphere has any influence on weather systems in the troposphere, but can someone please comment on the meteorological claims here:
Youtuber "The HAARP Report" doesn't know the first thing about meteorology. He seems to think that it's somehow unnatural to have a low pressure stacked over a high pressure and vice-versa or that pressure systems will dissipate at some point or for there to be wind shear or divergent winds. He's among those who believe that mountain lee wave clouds are "frequency clouds". I can barely stand to watch more than a couple minutes of his cringeworthy nonsense. In a nutshell there are no legitimate meteorological claims there, he's just another case of "I don't understand therefore... conspiracy."

The drought in California has been caused by what some are calling the "ridiculously resilient ridge". Most of California is naturally quite arid due to a semi-permanent sub-tropical high pressure area over the north eastern Pacific that's part of a belt of high pressure systems that circles the globe centred at around 30 deg. latitude.



http://cals.arizona.edu/watershedsteward/resources/module/Climate/climate-intro_pg6.htm

http://www.weatherwest.com/archives/1085

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring-references/dyk/subtropical-highs

http://www4.uwsp.edu/geo/faculty/lemke/geog101/lectures/06_global_circulation.html
 

Chew

Senior Member.
That video showed up in a FB group yesterday. I linked to the Wikipedia article of the North Pacific High. It is hilarious how the guy goes on to describe all the characteristics of a semi-permanent anticyclone and thinks it is suspicious. It's like someone describing the details and functions of a car in a sinister tone without knowing he is describing a car.
 

Mick West

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Sounds like it's coming back.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/...nspiracy-will-transferred-civilian-operators/
 

DB Strader

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FAIRBANKS - The University of Alaska Fairbanks will formally receive the High Frequency Active Auroral Program, or HAARP, from the Air Force Research Laboratory on Tuesday.

A transition ceremony will be at 2 p.m. in Gakona, where HAARP is located. The transfer from the U.S. Air Force to UAF will allow HAARP to continue with the exploration the ionosphere through a land-use cooperative research and development agreement.


Additional information about the facility can be found at

http://www.kirtland.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-150804-025.pdf

http://www.newsminer.com/news/local...cle_e0f249a2-3f24-11e5-a8b9-3f9f3cf2ce91.html
 

Landru

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FAIRBANKS - The University of Alaska Fairbanks will formally receive the High Frequency Active Auroral Program, or HAARP, from the Air Force Research Laboratory on Tuesday.

A transition ceremony will be at 2 p.m. in Gakona, where HAARP is located. The transfer from the U.S. Air Force to UAF will allow HAARP to continue with the exploration the ionosphere through a land-use cooperative research and development agreement.


Additional information about the facility can be found at

http://www.kirtland.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-150804-025.pdf
Could you supply the link related to the announcement?
 
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