Gallbladder Flush Real or Fake

Cairenn

Senior Member.
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/flushes.html


http://surgeonsblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/flush.html



http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/would-you-like-a-liver-flush-with-that-colon-cleanse/

 

Pete Tar

Senior Member.
So the same would be suggested as to the 'kidney stones' people report passing after taking a dose of olive oil and lemon juice, or is there no way the 'fat balls' could get into the bladder?

(and how could suggesting people drink lemon juice and olive oil be considered charlatanism, unless they are profiting from it some how? Those things are cheap. It's got to at least be somewhat nutritious if gross.)

Does lemon juice alkalize the kidney/bladder system?
 
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dan theman

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It was "claimed" that it was invented hundreds of years ago by the ancients (can't find any evidence for that anywhere). Anyone else have any luck?

Yeah it would be pretty gross to drink all that olive oil. I wouldn't fancy fishing through my poop either. Some seem quite obsessed with it.
 

Cairenn

Senior Member.
I pointed out to a lady on Mother Jones today, that even '1000s of years of use', doesn't make something useful. She seems to prefer alternative medicine and it's anecdotal evidence to modern medicine with things like double and even triple blind studies and lab tests. I asked her if she thought that rhino horn and dried tiger paw and dried bear's livers were medicine. All of those have been used in traditional Chinese med for centuries.
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member.
I pointed out to a lady on Mother Jones today, that even '1000s of years of use', doesn't make something useful. She seems to prefer alternative medicine and it's anecdotal evidence to modern medicine with things like double and even triple blind studies and lab tests. I asked her if she thought that rhino horn and dried tiger paw and dried bear's livers were medicine. All of those have been used in traditional Chinese med for centuries.
Don't you have a naturopath practising friend you can ask about this?
I am curious as to whether there's any mechanism for it to work in the case of kidney stones.

I suppose all the anecdotal evidence in favour of the treatment here http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/olive-oil-lemon-juice-for-kidney-stones.html#LEMONOLIVE is suspect in that they were also drinking a lot of water and they were aware they had stones that were in the process of coming out (the fact they had pain) so it may be coincidental.
Still if there is a way the lemon and oil can affect the excretion from the kidneys then it may be working, and is preferable to the several thousand dollar + cost of the alternative.
 

scombrid

Senior Member.
(and how could suggesting people drink lemon juice and olive oil be considered charlatanism, unless they are profiting from it some how?

Consult fees, books, pre-made concoctions. It's charlatnism because they are selling something an likely are doing harm either directly by the bogus remedies or by keeping people from actual treatment.

They aren't running all those websites for nothing.

It's got to at least be somewhat nutritious if gross.

One of the regimens listed said "'followed by the consumption of 600 mL of olive oil and 300 mL of lemon juice'". Over half a liter of olive oil? They're just giving themselves the shits. That's not nutritious. If done often enough it is going to cause problems because vitamins aren't going to be absorbed properly if someone is always crapping their brains out.

Still if there is a way the lemon and oil can affect the excretion from the kidneys then it may be working, and is preferable to the several thousand dollar + cost of the alternative.

If there is a way?

I think that it is up to the purveyors of the remedy to explain in detail the physiological mechanism through which the product works and then provide blinded controlled study results.
 

David Fraser

Senior Member.
It all sounds like a very unusual way to make soap through saponification. There could be a business opportunity here I think. I might see if the Natural News is interested.
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member.
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One of the regimens listed said "'followed by the consumption of 600 mL of olive oil and 300 mL of lemon juice'". Over half a liter of olive oil? They're just giving themselves the shits. That's not nutritious. If done often enough it is going to cause problems because vitamins aren't going to be absorbed properly if someone is always crapping their brains out.


The one I read for kidney stones said 1 oz of each, or 60ml in all, so not that bad really.
But if a person was convinced of the need to use a large quantity, that would be rather unfortunate for them.

If there is a way?

I think that it is up to the purveyors of the remedy to explain in detail the physiological mechanism through which the product works and then provide blinded controlled study results.

That's true. It seems to tie into the 'alkalize your body' meme which is bunk as the bodies ph is not regulated via the stomach - but lemon juice does seem to break down to a more alkaline fluid in the body, and this assumably *would* have some impact on the excretory system as it changes the nature of what the kidneys are dealing with.


 

Landru

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Staff member
Funny thing though, if it is fake, why are there so many people raving about how amazing it is...

The placebo effect is one possibility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo_Effect#Mechanism_of_the_effect

 

inquirer

New Member
The one I read for kidney stones said 1 oz of each, or 60ml in all, so not that bad really.
But if a person was convinced of the need to use a large quantity, that would be rather unfortunate for them.



That's true. It seems to tie into the 'alkalize your body' meme which is bunk as the bodies ph is not regulated via the stomach - but lemon juice does seem to break down to a more alkaline fluid in the body, and this assumably *would* have some impact on the excretory system as it changes the nature of what the kidneys are dealing with.


Not to argue with you, because i know little about how the body works. But if something makes the urine more acid, than mustn't too much acid (say from a food) be getting into the bloodstream--that the body via the kidneys then needs to get rid of? it must be doing Something to change urine, i would think...So it would seem not all food is equally acidic/alkaline as it's absorbed from the intestines/stomach?...
 

inquirer

New Member
No offense guys, but the New Zealand report either has much relevance, or there's SOMETHiNG real going on with these flushes! The one i've heard about (sorry my "i" won't cap) (the amazing liver & gallbladder flush)... Produces dozen even hundreds of "stones" (my friend said the first time the size of lentils, the 2nd time some much bigger). i've been trying to research before i try because while i know it's true what she's saying, i'm wondering WHY and are they really "stones" or something the food is causing/creating (tart cherry juice for a week before, then epsom salts then olive oil (maybe lemon too i don't remember her mentioning that) She's a PT and i know her & her sister (same "testimony") pretty well no way are they making it up and they have nothing to gain, plus she says some patients have had same results...
 
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