Alleged Flight MH370 UFO Teleportation Videos [Hoax]

[JWrightBrain]

Well, that's two. What about the rest? There is about 40 messages per page so 158 or so are off topic (including mine). Not good.

Well, I stand by my posts about Forbes supposedly being in touch with a person who could supply him with the "original undoctored videos". IF that was true, it would have bearing on the claim that the videos are authentic or not. So that drama was relevant. I don't believe the legal ramifications are relevant.

 

[RobertBillyBob]

It looks like redditors have identified the vfx plugin used for the "IR" video :

/u/Wrangler444 posted this video about the "Videocopilot Jet Strike" plugin to show what was feasible in 2014 :


Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/AirlinerAbduction2014/comments/18ohtna/this_is_what_publicly_available_vfx_plugins_from/


In the comments people realized that the plugins contained 3d models for both the 777 and the reaper drone. Both seems to match the models used in the video :

The line corners many people have talked about since August are the exact same along the nose.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/AirlinerAbduction2014/comments/18om03a/jetstrike_vfx_drone_model_comparison_to_flir_video/

As you can see, the curve in the tail fin fits the JetStrike model much better than the real plane.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/AirlinerAbduction2014/comments/18om0vz/comparison_between_real_boeing_777200er_and_the/
edit : added images and quotes to hopefully better comply with link policy

 

[deirdre]

It looks like redditors have identified the vfx plugin used for the "IR" video :

your links, while useful, still break the link policy rules. Add screenshots (or copy text) so readers HERE can see the info without clicking outside links. ex from your first link.

since it is a .obj file then my "Blender" "weight painting" assumption is more likely true (regarding the colors)

 

[Henkka]

since it is a .obj file then my "Blender" "weight painting" assumption is more likely true (regarding the colors)
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Probably not. It only looks like that when you're editing the model, not in the render output. But there are many other ways to make an object look like that in Blender. Also if the colors were from weight painting, the polygons would be more readily apparent.

 

[Giddierone]

While people identify likely the exact VFX assets - the Jetstrike package for Adobe After Effects Circa 2014 - used to make the hoaxed drone video the hoax promoters still claim the videos are masks for real evidence of advance technology and the disappearance of MH370.
Is there any other case where a video has been so thorougly debunked yet is still claimed to be real?

Sourced from this Reddit thread:
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/AirlinerAbduction2014/comments/18opk9u/2013_video_copilot_jet_strike_drone_03obj_asset/

 

[John J.]

Is there any other case where a video has been so thorougly debunked yet is still claimed to be real?

I don't know about video, but Timothy Good, author of Above Top Secret, still seems to think George Adamski might have been involved with something extraterrestrial. Billy Meier still has supporters, despite being a hoaxer (and appearing to hold, IMO, unpleasant political/ religious views). Wouldn't be surprised if "the surgeon's photo" continues to be used in online articles about Nessie.
Once an extraordinary claim about UFOs or paranormal phenomena etc. is out there, it seems to take on a zombie existence: It might be comprehensively debunked, but it never seems to "die".

Many people down the rabbit hole seem quite comfortable there.
They want to believe (and those getting revenue from promoting unusual claims- even debunked claims- want others to believe);
us Metabunkers want to understand. (I think!)

When an extraordinary claim is debunked (or confirmed) because we understand the evidence, like with the faked MH370 "footage", I guess we have to hope that it might help some people clamber out of the warren of deception.
Maybe some people who might have been persuaded to believe a falsehood (and therefore the people who manufacture/ propagate falsehoods) get to see that there is a different explanation, hopefully one that tallies more with objective reality.

 

[Giddierone]

Well said. To add to that on social media I'm seeing vairous versions of "the plane is still missing, so the videos must be real". (face palm emoji).

 

[jarlrmai]

The earlier something gets debunked the better, the longer people are out there making all sorts of 100% real because of x,y and z the more legs it has as it's harder to back down.

With this it took long enough for the stone cold asset matches to emerge that enough people latched on, then someone tried to build a grift/influencer career around it, which when it all falls apart leads to more fallout and doubling down.

Notice how the big UFO names are fairly careful to avoid attaching themselves directly to specific videos, and if they do they generally just never mention them again once they are explained.

 

[Giddierone]

Notice how the big UFO names are fairly careful to avoid attaching themselves directly to specific videos

Yeah, I think the reason is the strong Sandy Hook / 911 vibes to it as it sails very close to denying the grief of the families (as mentioned above #939).

 

[Mendel]

Well said. To add to that on social media I'm seeing vairous versions of "the plane is still missing, so the videos must be real". (face palm emoji).

Parts of the aircraft have washed ashore in various African countries.
"The plane is still missing, so it must be at the bottom of the ocean" seems perfectly fine logic to me.

 

[NoParty]

Is there any other case where a video has been so thorougly debunked yet is still claimed to be real?

Patterson-Gimlin "Bigfoot" film is the first thing that popped into my mind...

 

[Landru]

Patterson-Gimlin "Bigfoot" film is the first thing that popped into my mind...

Let's not go off topic.

 

[Mendel]

Patterson-Gimlin "Bigfoot" film is the first thing that popped into my mind...

Patterson-Gimlin: "I was the guy in the gorilla suit."
MH370: "I was the guy who photographed these clouds."
Believers: "We don't believe you, this must be a psy-op/cover-up/etc."

If you apply common sense and logic (and some actual research, like the summary of the accident report) these claims are already unbelievable.

 

[Cogg84]

Wow Austin Forbes was on Glenn Becks show on Friday and is still talking about this video and how we (US Government) have the technology that the video depicts. He still appears to believe this video is real. Unbelievable lol.

 

[Giddierone]

still talking about this video and how we (US Government) have the technology that the video depicts.

Called this a while back #939

"...any compositing or errors on the videos is a purposeful distraction to mask a genuine recording of the secret world dominating technology."

 

[Cogg84]

Called this a while back #939

I get it. It's just crazy to see this story (or at least an alternative version of it now) still making the rounds on decently large platforms. I think it's speaks to the larger issue that media personalities like Beck and others don't involve themselves in the research done on Metabunk or other debunking sites. Clearly Beck was talking to Forbes without the knowledge that this has been throughly debunked. I think this is the reason or partially the reason these stories never die. Presenters and media personalities don't dig deep on these issues.

 

[Ann K]

I get it. It's just crazy to see this story (or at least an alternative version of it now) still making the rounds on decently large platforms. I think it's speaks to the larger issue that media personalities like Beck and others don't involve themselves in the research done on Metabunk or other debunking sites. Clearly Beck was talking to Forbes without the knowledge that this has been throughly debunked. I think this is the reason or partially the reason these stories never die. Presenters and media personalities don't dig deep on these issues.

I think it's more the case that there is a profit to be made by getting "clicks", and it helps to not be too scrupulous about one's facts.

 

[jarlrmai]

Hoax videos and debunked stories are boring to the media.
There is a slightly more interesting meta story which only really Greenstreet has picked up, which is the current level in government that the UFO flap has reached with the AATIP/AWSAP thing, Elizondo and the Invisible College, Bigelow + Reid and Skinwalker Ranch connections.

 

[Cogg84]

I think it's more the case that there is a profit to be made by getting "clicks", and it helps to not be too scrupulous about one's facts.

I understand that but there's clearly a disconnect when news organizations and tv personalities are unaware of these stories being debunked for months and years and there's a cluelessness about the rigorous effort that it took to debunk them. I mean it was painful to watch the interaction between Beck and Forbes last Friday mainly because Beck had no clue what was going on. It appears they just throw the story out to get the clicks without actually digging into it. That platforming of the story I think on some level keeps the mythos going especially with the public that doesn't dive deep like the people here on Metabunk.

 

[jarlrmai]

I understand that but there's clearly a disconnect when news organizations and tv personalities are unaware of these stories being debunked for months and years and there's a cluelessness about the rigorous effort that it took to debunk them. I mean it was painful to watch the interaction between Beck and Forbes last Friday mainly because Beck had no clue what was going on. It appears they just throw the story out to get the clicks without actually digging into it. That platforming of the story I think on some level keeps the mythos going especially with the public that doesn't dive deep like the people here on Metabunk.

Yes its the 2 sides of the same coin of not "taking UFOs seriously."

The press simultaneously don't react as if the stories were true, but neither do they go looking for rational explanations or debunks, the clicks are in the "mystery" treating it as a fluff and / or courting the "controversy."

Metabunk is what happens when you crowdsource rational taking of UFOs seriously with evidential standards (with some minor banter sometimes to relieve the monotony of ADS-B tracking tic-tac's.)

 

[Ann K]

The press simultaneously don't react as if the stories were true, but neither do they go looking for rational explanations or debunks, the clicks are in the "mystery" treating it as a fluff and / or courting the "controversy."

A discussion between people whose expertise is in public speaking or politics is not generally going to be productive in the analysis of something that takes an entirely different skill set. I wish the general public understood that. And a debunk that goes right over the head of people not educated in the necessary science is disregarded. We are in a precarious position right now, with people choosing to disbelieve experts, yet lacking the skills to check their conclusions for themselves.

 

[Giddierone]

Maybe worth noting another historical reference that may have been known by the creators of the videos, the Carlos Antonio de los Santos UFO escort case. It features three UFOs that apparently try to take control of his aircraft. It's featured in the apro bulletin, Aug 1975.

Source: https://archive.org/details/AFU_19750800_APRO_Bulletin_v24_n2

 

[jdog]

Maybe worth noting another historical reference that may have been known by the creators of the videos, the Carlos Antonio de los Santos UFO escort case. It features three UFOs that apparently try to take control of his aircraft. It's featured in the apro bulletin, Aug 1975.View attachment 70112
Source: https://archive.org/details/AFU_19750800_APRO_Bulletin_v24_n2

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Shades of "This Island Earth," the 1955 movie which involves a Metalunan saucer taking remote control of Cal Meacham's single-engine Stinson 108-1.