French National Assembly to host UAP seminar with true believers

And yet another one who speaks of energy then uses units of power
Good observation. In the 2025 Vallee, Dini, Mestchersky paper
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The case, which centered on a well-defined luminous object at ground level, led to energy estimates from 500 to 1400 MW, in the range of a small modern nuclear power plant
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The Condon Report provided an estimate of the source's power based on comparisons with car headlights, calculating energy outputs in the range of 500–900 MW.
"Estimates of radiative energy values in ground-level observations of an unidentified aerial phenomenon: New physical data"
https://www.3af.fr/global/gene/link...-aerial-phenomenon-new-physical-data.pdf&fg=1 "In press" copy via 3AF website.

In other places the authors use MW as a unit of power.
One wonders if he even knows they are two different things...
I'm beginning to wonder too.
 
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Very bright torches exist which can throw very bright beams in a conical area forward; using comparatively low wattage.
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The brightness of the beam in the visual range is measured in lumens, which is only indirectly related to either wattage or joules.

There is no proof that this light source, if it were a real one, was radiating in all directions equally, since the observers only saw it from a limited set of locations. The light source need not have been illuminating in an upwards, sideways, or downwards direction, let alone behind the emitter (away from the observers).

If this were a bright torch the power could have been measured in hundreds of watts, not millions. Poachers sometimes use very bright torches to detect and dazzle their prey. They probably love the MS32 in the picture above.
 
Note as well you can start fires with these extremely bright torches, although it takes a bit of time and effort.

Concerning the Cs-137 levels, these samples date from the 1960s, so should have contained some fallout, like everything else in that era (including me).
 
Note as well you can start fires with these extremely bright torches, although it takes a bit of time and effort.
Lots of other ways to char a piece of bark, of course.
The 2025 paper has two photos of "Common types of trees in the area" (Fig.3) but, strangely, no photos of trees at the claimed site.

Concerning the Cs-137 levels, these samples date from the 1960s, so should have contained some fallout, like everything else in that era (including me).
Absolutely. The authors do consider this, and do some calculations to estimate the radioactivity at the site due to nuclear test-related Cs-137 fallout:
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The two bark samples we have in our custody were recovered from the same tree: Sample A from the exposed, blackened face, and sample B from the unaltered side.
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By applying the coefficient displayed in (eq. (8)), two years before the UAP event in Haynesville, the activity is around 3141 Bq m2. We will keep the order of magnitude 3000 Bq m2 in December 1966. We could therefore assume the 137Cs on the blackened bark was from the global fallout if it was clearly detected on sample B. Which is not the case.
Because Cs-137 isn't detected in the uncharred sample B, the authors seem to rule out contamination from nuclear tests. I feel it is implied that the Cs-137 has been deposited (or somehow synthesized in situ?) by the light source, and perhaps any other areas of charring would demonstrate this (in fairness they do not state this).

But the author's calculations are essentially irrelevant. They have not visited the site to check radiation levels, nor do they quote radiation levels that might have been recorded by anyone else who visited the site in the past. Their estimates of radiation due to Cs-137 are based on 1965 estimates of Strontium 90 distribution across the US on a national scale; this might be a reasonable surrogate (I don't know) but local levels will vary.

They cannot compare their estimates of expected on-site Cs-137 contamination with the actual levels, because they don't know, and haven't researched, the actual radiation levels on site or the prevalence of Cs-137 at the site in 2025 or at any time since 1966.
And anyway, regarding their sample,
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Determining the activity of the 137Cs is not feasible here due to the non-standard geometry of the sample.

I'm vaguely reminded of a 2022 paper co-authored by Vallee (thread), where after a discussion about (extremely) hypothetical nuclear reactors in flying craft that have to jettison radioactive material once in a while, the authors accept that their samples don't have the isotopes that might indicate this. So why the theorising about airborne nuclear reactors? (The authors write
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This discarded material would contain Al-27, P-11, iron from the original melt or housing erosion, plus isotopes of nuclei close to aluminum and phosphorus such as Mg, Na, Si and S... ...Iron and Silicon were indeed found in our Council Bluffs samples, but the other elements were not present
...but the author's own clearly published figures in that paper show that Al-27 was not only present in substantial quantities, it was perhaps the most common constituent of their samples).

As @Eburacum points out it's possible there was caesium 137 in the area originating from nuclear tests. The authors tell us caesium 137 was detected in the charred but not in the uncharred bark sample, and leave the rest to our imaginations. But perhaps (assuming their were other charred trees) there would not be detectable caesium 137 in other (hypothetical) samples of charred bark, and perhaps there might have been in other uncharred samples.

The provenance of the samples is not demonstrated. It is unclear if the originate with the claimant, Dr. Galloway, coincidentally a professor of nuclear physics, or with the "civilian investigators" of 1969, and if so if Jacques Vallee was one of them. Vallee claims he got them from a "US atomic facility", which presumably did not collect the samples. Who sent them to the "US atomic facility", with what intention, is not mentioned.

The evidence of anything unusual happening at Haynesville, 30 December1966 seems to be largely anecdotal.
The 2025 paper has an IR aerial photo (presumably of the site?) and photos of trees like those at the site, but no photos of trees at the site.
Dini, Mastchersky and Vallee choose to accept the anecdote as accurate.
Their analysis of claimed physical evidence is utterly inconclusive, but the trace presence of Cs-137 in one sample but not the other is taken to be evidence it can't be from terrestrial fallout. Vallee has entertained theories about flying craft with nuclear reactors dumping radioactive waste in the past.

I think the Haynesville incident might be a nothing-burger.
 
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Third part



1 - Ailleris :
  • asked for more observations and studies. "Observe, document, understand"
  • said UAP are hard to study because unpredictable, mostly observed by untrained witness
  • used sprite lightning as an example of a phenomenon that got explained when we collected more data

2 - Friscourt :
  • Mostly a (long) list of the state of official action / stance on UAPs of different countries, with famous cases and the usual claims of anomalous performances by some officials. Cases cited : the Belgian wave, object above London reported by commercial pilot, Calvin pictures, Colares and Varginha in Brazil
  • Asked for Vallee to be applauded for his work on listing old cases (Vallee was in the public)
  • He interviewed french army pilots, they claimed 3 or 4 "unexplainable advanced platforms" cases per year inside their squadron, but they don't report them because of fear for their career, he used the "trained observers" fallacy. Same fear from commercial pilots.

3 - Maisonneuve :
  • Was part of the government during COVID and the start of russian war. Talked about the institutional limitations he observed during those crises, in particular data not going up the chain of command easily enough. "I have those elements in mind when I look into the UAP phenomenon"
  • Lamented that the subject is not taken seriously (viewed as conspiracy theories and sects), said we have to be skeptical and distinguish what is proven, discussed or to ignore then listed the usual claims by pilots and US officials
  • France should be ready to react if really anomalous videos are disclosed
  • "We shouldn't develop a sensationalist or alarmist vision" he said after spending 15min implying UAPs are a crisis we are not prepared for and repeating every sensationalist claim by US officials.
 
This went pretty much perfectly for the true believers :
  • sociologist saying we should mock ufology because you can study UAP seriously
  • to illustrate the previous point :
    • some explained cases by GEIPAN and sigma2
    • pleas for more data
  • GEIPAN and the army saying they don't have anything anomalous to declare but can only study what is reported directly to them
  • Friscourt saying he personally know pilot that are afraid to report the really anomalous thing they witnessed
  • opportunity to give long lists of the usual claims and weird cases without any contradiction at the end of the event (so that's the last impression the public stay with)
It's exactly what I was afraid would happen. The deputies really need to include at least one true skeptic in the discussion if they keep working on the subject. I'll send Arnaud Saint-Martin an e-mail once I'm less pissed.
 
He [Friscourt] interviewed French army pilots, they claimed 3 or 4 "unexplainable advanced platforms" cases per year inside their squadron

If this is accurate, it might be a surprisingly high number of sightings,

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A fighter squadron (escadron) can number some twenty machines...
Wikipedia, French Air and Space Force https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Air_and_Space_Force

I'd guess there are more pilots/ established crews than aircraft in a squadron, but (again a guess) perhaps not twice as many.
So as a ball-park figure, maybe more than 10% of aircrew in a squadron see "an unexplainable advanced platform" -not just a UFO- every year.
So the odds might be that the majority of French military pilots see unexplainable advanced platforms during their flying careers, but they're too scared to talk about something that most of them have witnessed, including their immediate superiors.
I'm not sure this is likely.
 
If this is accurate, it might be a surprisingly high number of sightings,

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A fighter squadron (escadron) can number some twenty machines...
Wikipedia, French Air and Space Force https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Air_and_Space_Force

I'd guess there are more pilots/ established crews than aircraft in a squadron, but (again a guess) perhaps not twice as many.
So as a ball-park figure, maybe more than 10% of aircrew in a squadron see "an unexplainable advanced platform" -not just a UFO- every year.
So the odds might be that the majority of French military pilots see unexplainable advanced platforms during their flying careers, but they're too scared to talk about something that most of them have witnessed, including their immediate superiors.
I'm not sure this is likely.
He said "unité". I (badly) translated with squadron but I have no idea what he really meant by "unité", what I found was quite vague.
 
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