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Flight MH370 missing - Two passengers board with false ID

Soulfly

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Missing flight with 227 passengers and 12 crew.
http://www.ibtimes.com/malaysia-air...rs-emerge-after-two-passengers-boarded-stolen
Two passengers used stolen passports to board the flight.
 

WeedWhacker

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Missing flight with 227 passengers and 12 crew.
http://www.ibtimes.com/malaysia-air...rs-emerge-after-two-passengers-boarded-stolen
Two passengers used stolen passports to board the flight.


I have been following this story since yesterday, via Flight Aware:
http://flightaware.com/squawks/view/linked/email/alert/40633/


As yet, I have no firm opinion as to the cause of the downing of this airplane. I tend to think it's rather early to speculate, absent full facts.

EDIT: However, this thread is worth a watch.
 

WeedWhacker

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Most defiantly too early to determine anything, the information just isn't there.

Yes, agreed. If you go to the FlightAware site that I linked, you will see extensive discussions, some of which I participated in....but keeping in mind that I tried only to deflect wild and ridiculous speculations.

Knowing what I know, there is less than 0.1% chance of mechanical failure. Other ideas occur to me:

Terrorism, i.e. a bomb

Suicide, i.e. Egypt Air 990

Or...an accidental "shoot-down".

(There may be more possibilities that haven't occurred to me)

One 'positive' aspect of this is the depth of the waters, where the airplane was lost. Not nearly as difficult as in the deep Atlantic Ocean, as was the case for Air France 447.

Stay tuned.

EDIT: A post from FlightAware which seems fairly pertinent:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/tr...-terrorism-fears/story-fniztvnh-1226848860442


More info, from the FA site:
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiN32qFCEAAsBqH.jpg#twimg

And, I just realized that contrary to my earlier post, I have engaged in "speculation". So, I will attempt to focus on the (apparent) possible "conspiracy" about two suspicious passports. AND, as I "predicted" on the FlightAware site, a "conspiracy" always seems to crop up, with these major news events.....
 
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Mick West

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well it don't take them long before they started up with the bunk

POSSIBILITY NUMERIC ORDERS OF MH370:
38 Malaysian Passengers : 3+8=11
29 employees from Freescale Semiconductors Factory : 2+9=11
March 8 = 8+3=11

But report from Freescale company says 20 staff missing not the above claimed 29 so numeric maths debunked

I'd recommend just ignoring nonsense like that. It's such obvious bunk that it debunks itself. Unfortunately all you do by debunking it is help spread the nonsense around.
 

Pete Tar

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I'm sure I saw someone already change that to 20 *executives* and emphasising that it produces products for high-grade military tech, but wiki mentions nothing of the sort.
 

Mark Barrington

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The press release on the Freescale site doesn't provide much in the way of names or details, but to say that 12 of the employees are from Malaysia, and 8 are from China, which is not surprising for a flight between Malaysia and China. It's a terrible tragedy for the families involved, but I don't see any unusual involvement by Freescale.

http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1907348&highlight=

 

Mick West

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Freescale came up on Infowars Prison Planet last year , seemingly hinting at RFID implants.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/worlds-smallest-chip-to-be-swallowable.html

Also mentioned in a Michael Hastings story:
http://planet.infowars.com/worldnew...-body-was-cremated-against-his-familys-wishes
If there are dots, someone will join them, randomness be damned!
 

NoParty

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We still don't know jack-squat.
Except that--this long in--the fate of the passengers is almost certainly catastrophic.

The passports angle definitely holds a bit of early intrigue…but could easily be a minor immigration issue.

In short, definitely still prudent to wait before jumping to any conclusions.
 

MikeC

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Apart from the obvious safety issues, what I am surprised about is that stolen passports were apparently used to board the aircraft at all - I thought the numbers would be in all customs/immigration databases, and they would have been flagged when scanned at exit??
 

MikeC

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Interpol have said that no-one checked their database of suspect passport numbers prior to the flight - see this article.

Apparently it is not actually common to do so at all - even without this disaster that has to be pretty damned stupid by a lot of countries!! :(

 
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Mick West

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Interpol have said that no-one checked their database of suspect passport numbers prior to the flight - see this article.

which would have to be a stupendous blunder at the best of times.........which this is not!

Only if it were standard practice at the originating airport, which it apparently is not.
 

Pete Tar

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There's probably a small percentage of people travelling on fake passports on normal flights that don't crash, it's only when they crash that it gets becomes obvious.
 

Soulfly

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I'm sure we will get the full gambit of theories from analyzing photos, to saying it's all a hoax, to speculating on the passengers jobs/lives.
 
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Josh Heuer

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I was just driving home listening to NPR and they mentioned a little more 'mystery' involving passengers. (Or would-be passengers I guess)

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/03/10/288518809/missing-planes-fate-still-a-mystery

Probably nothing of importance though since these folks never got on the flight, but I'm curious as to why they didn't get on.
 

Trigger Hippie

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I'm sure we will get the full gambit of theories from analyzing photos, to saying it's all a hoax, to speculating on the passengers jobs/lives.

...to claiming it's all a false flag operation. Don't forget the false flag theories:

*ALERT* Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 Mystery = False Flag = Global Biometrics Agenda Push - YouTube

I've been reading several reports that the use of forged travel papers is not uncommon in that part of the world. Apparently very popular in China.
 

MikeC

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I was just driving home listening to NPR and they mentioned a little more 'mystery' involving passengers. (Or would-be passengers I guess)

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/03/10/288518809/missing-planes-fate-still-a-mystery

Probably nothing of importance though since these folks never got on the flight, but I'm curious as to why they didn't get on.

It is quite a common occurrence for a handful of passengers on a large a/c to not board and the bags to be removed - unaccompanied baggage has not been allowed for many years now.

reasons I've encountered include getting lost in the airport, being taken ill, or being "recalled" by urgent work or family concerns.
 

Bill

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The two passengers using stolen passports have been identified as Iranian nationals. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess their final destination was North Korea. Fly into China incognito and travel by land to North Korea leaving no record of them entering the country.
 

Mick West

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The two passengers using stolen passports have been identified as Iranian nationals. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess their final destination was North Korea. Fly into China incognito and travel by land to North Korea leaving no record of them entering the country.

Looks more like they were simply illegal immigrants to Europe:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26525281
 

Bill

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Looks more like they were simply illegal immigrants to Europe:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26525281
I've since heard that but do you travel to Europe by way of Beijing?
 

Mick West

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It seems likely that this event will spawn a whole wave of conspiracy theories. I'm reluctant to get into it though, in the almost total absence of any real facts. But it might eventually warrant a new sub-forum.
 

MikeC

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Cheap airfares can get you to lots of strange places. I flew to Oklahoma in 2000 - the cheapest fare was a "world" ticket where I had to pass through London - so my flight was Auckland-LA-Chicago-Okl (2 week course) then back to Chicago -London-San Francisco (visit sister)-Auckland.
 

WeedWhacker

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Cheap airfares can get you to lots of strange places. I flew to Oklahoma in 2000 - the cheapest fare was a "world" ticket where I had to pass through London - so my flight was Auckland-LA-Chicago-Okl (2 week course) then back to Chicago -London-San Francisco (visit sister)-Auckland.

The beauty about that is how you can rack up Airline FF Mileage!!
 

Soulfly

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I fear that my earlier post (#31) may have steered this particular thread in a wrong direction...there is cross-interest in MH370, but this thread is specific to the question of the "fake passports".

On that topic: Regardless of the "reason" for the apparent disappearance of MH370, it seems that the fact of these two falsified passports may be irrelevant. Still, it is a mystery.
I didn't really put the Passport in the title to debunk. It was just the most intriguing info at the time. I made the thread and stuck it in chitchat just because I know there a lot of pilots and aviation enthusiast here. Also figured it would spawn CTs for future threads.
 

WeedWhacker

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Okay. I tried travelocity and was routed through the middle east.

'Expedia' versus 'Travelocity'?

Now, THAT'S an advert worth creating!!

(Sorry...all we need now is another "PriceLine" commercial with William Shatner, and my life will be complete. An epic battle, the 'Shat' in a duel with the 'Gnome'? One can dream.....).
 

Bill

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Watching Wolf Blitzer - Getting lots of uninformed speculation on this topic labeled as news.
 

Mark Barrington

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Watching Wolf Blitzer - Getting lots of uninformed speculation on this topic labeled as news.
So, basically, you're watching cable news. CNN has to fill 24 hours a day. Actually, most of Wolf's guests are being fairly cautious, and most of the speculation is being driven by him.
 

WeedWhacker

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Watching Wolf Blitzer - Getting lots of uninformed speculation on this topic labeled as news.

I expect that many of the "24 Hour News Networks" feel compelled to fill airtime in any ways they can.

It rather makes a mockery of the word, and profession, of "journalism"
 

WeedWhacker

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Again, since this is "Chit-Chat"...more unconfirmed, but from Reuters:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/...me=GCA-GoogleNewsUK&google_editors_picks=true

Take of it as you will.
 

Soulfly

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Watching Wolf Blitzer - Getting lots of uninformed speculation on this topic labeled as news.
That's pretty much what he does all the time. Even after his guest pretty much disagree with him he still tries to ask them the same stupid speculative questions.
 

Bill

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I expect that many of the "24 Hour News Networks" feel compelled to fill airtime in any ways they can.

It rather makes a mockery of the word, and profession, of "journalism"
CNN coverage - "There's no evidence of terrorism and experts are leaning against terrorism so lets talk about terrorism".
 
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