Right, I'm saying that if it flew the Great Circle route on a flat Earth, the distance would be over 26,000 miles. On a round earth, the great circle distance is only 6300 miles, easily traveled in 14 hours.
The Flat Earth Azimuthal Equidistant Map Projection does Not properly represent parallels and compresses the shapes and sizes of landmasses North of the Equator and extends the shape and sizes of landmasses South of the Equator.
It's even worse than a simple straight line on the flat surface would suggest. If you take the great circle route (which they would have to take to "pretend" to be on a globe), then the route looks like this:
About three times as long as Santiago to London, when it's actually a much shorter flight.
In addition to that flight, and the one that broke its record 30 years later, detailed here, there is also Elgen Long, who was the first to fly around the world over both poles, in 1971:Transpolar circumnavigation flight by Pan Am commercial 747, 1977.
I am amused by the irony in trying to use science & scientific arguments to convince a flat-earther, whose only motivation to believe the flat-earth is to prove that science is wrong.Do you not see the irony in trying to use a GPS system to prove the round earth?
This map appears to show several direct transoceanic southern hemisphere flights that I wasn't aware of, including:I scanned the data to extract all the origin->dest endpoints, and then joined them all with their great circle routes. While it does not show the exact track the planes fly it's a cleaner representation, and all the tracks are complete.
This map appears to show several direct transoceanic southern hemisphere flights
That makes sense.It is from data from 2013, so some routes might no longer exist (or there may be new routes). It's also possible that some are misreported as direct flights when they actually included another stop.
Reason being is satellites don't flyover the poles.
I have not found one that travels over the poles.
They come close in their wave pattern but never cross over.
It has been mentioned that 75% of Antarctica is a no fly zone because the lack of good topographical maps.
Reason being is satellites don't flyover the poles.
First non-stop flight from Australia to London landed this morning, covering 9000 miles in just over 17 hours.
In addition to that flight, and the one that broke its record 30 years later, detailed here, there is also Elgen Long, who was the first to fly around the world over both poles, in 1971:
Also: Calin Rosetti and Richard Norton in 1987; Dick Smith and Giles Kershaw in 1988/89; Bill Harrelson in 2015; and Miguel Gordillo in 2016.
Maybe B.O.B. can take his Kickstarter money and buy a ticket on this instead. It's only twelve thousand dollars.
What's the guessing on how a flat earther on board would explain their trip? (Assuming they're measuring, plotting, photographing, tracking, and verifying, etc.)
Still, I think it's great that you found out about this flight, and so early in the day. $12,000 is a lot of money for most people, but it's not too much of a stretch to imagine a large group putting that together quite easily - especially when it's the most important thing in the world (to them).Getting a FE proponent to go on the flight just won't happen. They do their best to avoid real research.
Maybe we need to get the word out about this? Is your channel popular? Is there a way to encourage a couple of prominent flat earthers to step up to the plate? We could even start a gofundme for them.
Q. If you could put two flat Earth believers on this flight, who would you choose? Rob Skiba and Jeranism are the two that first occur to me - but then they've both shown themselves repeatedly unable to do simple experiments or understand basic concepts, so may not be the best.
Brian Mullin? Patricia Steere? Mullin was respected cos he was an engineer. Tho last time I checked I think there was a suspicion he'd abandoned ship.Honestly I don't know which FEers should go since every single one of them is purposely dishonest and doing what they do for other reasons, so I don't think you would be able to get one to go even if you paid their ticket.
Go for it. I would think even the BBC might be interested. Didn't they have a ''conspiracy theory road trip" show? And they also sent a bunch of young earth creationists around the US with a comedian to have their beliefs challenged.I like your media idea though, perhaps the Discovery Channel? I could make such a documentary myself, but I just don't have the connections to bring it to massive audiences. I do know some producers I could approach about it though...
Earlier in the thread there's a list of 74 weekly direct flights across the southern hemiphere. Here, I believe:
It's a sad day when we can't think of a single FEr we would trust to figure out they're flying around a globe!
Yup. I'll get on to that too.I have sent out my first feeler message to someone I know that has produced shows for the Discovery Channel, I'll try the BBC next. Anyone out there have an 'insider' lead to the BBC? I
Also - you'd probably want to pick someone who's not some kind of antisemite. You'd want to have someone who has a chance of becoming a reasonable advocate for science afterwards. That might be difficult.
Shall we brainstorm a list of equipment to take and measurements one would want to do on such a flight?
Their theory forces them to be extreme conspiracy theorists and historical revisionist, which ties in with the most common underlying theory - there's some kind of global cabal running things. That in turn is very frequently supposed to be a Jewish cabal.I couldn't find an alternative definition of the word other than a general prejudice and hatred against Jews. I haven't generally seen this to be the case with Flat Earthers ... I'm also puzzled by the connection between antisemitism and science denialism.
I was earlier going to suggest one FE guy who I though seemed quite nice, but then I noticed he'd got a Rothschilds/Pizzagate video on his channel. This is really a note of caution, not a sweeping generalization but unfortunately I think it's a bit more prevalent that it might at first appear.
nasa it's only NASA don't look behind
00:10 NASA the fact that it was all Freemasons
00:13 who started NASA and started the whole
00:15 ball earth deception and don't look
00:17 behind Freemasonry and see that it's
00:19 Judaism that started Freemasonry from
00:22 the get-go so who's actually behind the
00:24 spinning ball model the Jews and this is
00:27 this is the main thing they don't want
00:28 you don't know and this is the main
00:29 thing I'm demonized for and the reason
00:32 why I'm a pariah flat earther but I'm
00:35 also the only leading flat earther
00:36 because all the others are shills
I was noting that there seems (to me) to be a significant number of the FE crowd who are also antisemitic. The link is with systemic conspiracy theories (Illuminati, Elders of Zion, etc), not science denialism.Not sure Mick was suggesting a direct link between antisemitism and science denialism
If you end up knocking up a proposal, maybe you could send it me and I could use that too?